WORST Near Miss of 2023 | Near Collision Between Southwest & FedEx (With Real Audio)

[@lukew5602]

Scariest near miss of the year by far. Only thing that saved all those ppl was the top notch situational awareness of the FEDEX crew.

[@kellythomas90]

Constant airplane noise.....

[@ronaryel6445]

The Southwest crew had another option: they could have refused the takeoff clearance, stayed off the runway and waited for the Fedex jet to land.

[@takeoff1999]

​@solomongrundy145and you think your comment is funny 👎👹

[@natural-born_pilot]

Where did all these potential killer ATC come from? Something major needs to change this quick. You only get so many close call warnings before catastrophe!

[@takeoff1999]

@@ronaryel6445 but for that SW didn't have the situational awarness/professionalism...😪👎

[@kaboom9081]

FedEx pilot's experience saved all those lives, even on approach he didn't trust ATC's clearance to land and kept his eyes open. He prevented another Tenerife disaster.

[@sarahalbers5555]

And on top of that, he was iceberg chill!

[@natural-born_pilot]

I believe that all came out in the presentation 🙄

[@ADPeguero]

Not a commercial pilot here but I would've loved to have seen video of the FedEx crew. Somehow I believe the pilot flying had his fingers over that TOGA button and ready to abort. Good work on the pilot observing to spot the SW aircraft and call it out with no hesitation. That was what I would think text book operation and excellent teamwork. ATC on the other hand? He cleared the SW aircraft for takeoff it appears to me so I don't necessarily buy that ATC didn't know where SW aircraft was. Question to Commercial Pilots here, how bad would it had been if the SW crew had decided to wait for the FedEx flight to land first? Either way, like I said, I'm not a commercial airline pilot nor ATC nor an NTSB investigator. Glad TheFlightChannel didn't have to end this one with: "In memory of the ### lost...".

[@jeromepinson5729]

@@natural-born_pilotsmartass

[@Flosseveryday]

“…and kept his eyes open” Imagine a pilot approaching with his eyes closed 😅

[@ontheroadagainwithvinny931]

That was class from the FedEx crew.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

Agreed.

[@deepthinker999]

Fred Smith the FedEx founder and CEO should be proud. Maybe give each of the pilots a Hershey Bar for their skill.

[@wuntbinx]

Cannot believe this happened this year! Good FedEx were on the ball! No matter how much technology flying is all down to a pilots skills 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@TheStabbyMedic]

I literally said “Thank God someone is paying attention!”

[@abingdonboy]

Makes the idea of fully automated pilotless planes even stupider just because some airlines want to push their bottom line. How many of these incidents over the years have been saved because of on the ball pilots?

[@adlibbed2138]

​​@@abingdonboythe scary part of automated aircraft is we might seeing multiple Helios Flight 522-style incidents down on the line, if not worse if that's the case

[@petercarter2925]

if it wasnt for the TOGA button there would have been fatalities 100% guaranteed. TOGA saves the day once again

[@tola1526]

It's amazing how calm the pilots are within 10 seconds of potential disaster

[@CC-xn5xi]

That's when they earn their paycheck!

[@encinobalboa]

Was waiting for Fedex to say "what the heck just happened?" They did not. Ice water in veins.

[@jerwinrefamonte750]

I may yell at the controller if I was the pilot, wow the southwest pilot saying "negative" sounds like he was enjoying it lol

[@sarahalbers5555]

Great job on this. I have flown in freezing fog into Heathrow several times. It is really,really a scary scenario. You can't see anything. With these conditions you would the the tower would be extra cautious. The FedEx crew really was remarkable. This could have been an epic disaster. Thanks for this.

[@chrishensley6745]

Fed-Ex Pilot was smooth as silk!

[@zuzellogan5613]

Very scary situation between these 2 planes, but thank God nothing happened. Hats off to the pilot of FedEx, he was awesome and saved 128 lives. Very Impressive indeed by the crew of FedEx. Awesomely done guys, awesome. 👍👏🙌🙏

[@gustavoc6812]

Nice to hear the tower ackowledging its mistake right after that.

[@deepthinker999]

Maybe its just me but if I was the FedEx pilot I definitely would be pissed off.

[@richardcline1337]

An apology would have been worthless had the FedEx pilot not been super alert that day.

[@0MuhammadIbrahim0]

Tower gave traffic info. Probably the southwest pilots should have pushed it

[@WL59628]

128 souls went on to Cancun enjoying their holiday not knowing they were knocking on the devils door. I enjoy your channel and love a good outcome even more .

[@legit.peasant]

That was a terrifyingly close call... thank God the FedEx crew had the foresight to be wary of the Southwest flight on the runway, even before things started to look ugly. Thankfully they made the right decision and went around.

[@natural-born_pilot]

Wary? The whole thing was broadcast over the radio! FEDEX thank the lord were the only participants involved that didn’t have their heads up and locked!

[@mjbl1787]

the people on the southwest plane most likely had no clue how close to disaster they were.

[@mxb_se]

That was bad... bad weather made it worse, but ATC really dropped the ball here.

[@tonyf.9806]

Assuming the timing is correct in the video, I'd say it's more Southwest. They were given clearance to take-off, then took their time, stopped on the runway taking more time, then took their sweet time taking off, after hearing on tower frequency the landing jet was on a 3 mile final. ATC should have told them "take off without delay", but even without that, those Southwest pilots almost caused an incident. Good of FedEx checking to make sure they were clear to land still, and looking for the SW jet just in case. And V1 is the speed, once exceeded, you should not abort take--off; anything below is fine, which is why it's computed as such, so being close to V1 doesn't matter, if they didn't hit it, they could have aborted, and by not doing so, could have caused an incident by climbing right into the underside of FedEx. Those SW pilots need to undergo a flight review, because they're going to get people killed. But again, that's all based on how accurate this video is and what finally comes out of the NTSB.

[@mikedriggers3635]

Absolutely on SW for this close call. Dicking around on the takeoff.

[@MrMajikman1]

@@tonyf.9806 I'm not a Pilot, nor an ATC guy, but, with a 3 mile final coming in at approx.100 mph (I'm not sure if this is even accurate, but I'm assuming landing speed is about 100 mph?) that only gives SW approx. 1.5 minutes to takeoff and clear the runway before FedEx touches down on the same runway? Assuming my numbers are correct, why would ATC clear SW for takeoff ahead of a plane coming in for a landing on the same runway...especially on a very overcast day? On a clear day, FedEx would have seen the moving SW plane ahead of him much sooner and would have done a go around right away. The bottom line is, yes, the FedEx crew were on the ball and saved what could have been a horrific accident, but I don't understand the authorization from ATC to clear SW for takeoff with an incoming plane on the same runway. 🤔

[@F_Tim1961]

@@MrMajikman1 ATC was assuming, correctly , by the book, that if Southwest had all that wait time they were fully ready to turn on to the runway , advance throttles and boot it down the runway. THe only checks they'd do is a visual no a/c to LHs (impossible) and then check the engines were spooling up on the roll THe flap check should have been done on the hold. It would take all of twenty seconds to turn onto the runway and start to accelerate. SW did not do this and did not report any delay to ATC. ATC had no ground radar coverage. It is all SW's fault.

[@pauld8376]

​@@F_Tim1961 I'm surprised ATC is allowed to assume. Shouldn't the process be if you are not 100% sure then don't tell people to take off? ATC could have asked Southwest if they were ready to roll straight away. I just feel like a couple of minutes window is too small when all southwest was doing was making sure their plane was safe for takeoff. Oh and ATC deffo needs a ground radar, seems like a no-brainer :D

[@qaisbhaisaheb412]

The timely go around decision by the FedEx crew prevented a nasty catastrophe.

[@johneyon5257]

they both had traffic avoidance collision systems which would have kicked in - according to "74 Gear" Kelsey - a 747 pilot - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@natural-born_pilot]

Then why didn’t they go off?

[@SamBoxEthiopia]

For the TCAS Advisory to work, both the conflicting aircrafts must be airborne. @@johneyon5257

[@SamBoxEthiopia]

For the TCAS Advisory to work, both the conflicting aircrafts must be airborne.@@natural-born_pilot

[@johneyon5257]

@@natural-born_pilot - according to a commenter at Kelsey's video - after FedEx requested that Southwest abort - and Southwest declined - FedEx probably immediately climbed and turned - avoiding TCAS alarms - - i'm not sure but i doubt TCAS sets off merely by proximity - but when TCAS calculates that the 2 transponders are headed to the same point in space

[@tomsmith2013]

The quality of this video is superb. Best on the net! Congratulations TFC.

[@carljaekle]

The Southwest crew was told a 767 was inbound 3 miles away. They shouldn’t have been given clearance, but if they were going to roll they needed to complete their checklist and pilot change earlier.

[@scottfranco1962]

Again, no. Checkout on the runway is standard procedure. Also, he could have aborted on the runway due to problems. It was the controllers responsibility to call the go-around if that was required.

[@hempchimp]

@@scottfranco1962 Checkout on the Runway is standard procedure, huh? I guess AA flying out of Albuquerque didn't get that Memo. I've been on at least a dozen flights that powered up approaching the Runway THEN turned and rolled.

[@scottfranco1962]

@@hempchimp I bow to your vast experience as a pilot.

[@hempchimp]

@@scottfranco1962 No Sir, I bow to your asinine audacious "Since I was a Pilot, this didn't happen because I said it didn't even though I was not on any of those dozen or so flights where something didn't happen because remember, I'm a Pilot and you were only an ignorant non observant Dofus paying passenger in the back" Bullshit. Dude, now ask me if I give a Flying F^#@ what you believe what You say should have happened and what actually happened. Describe your Departures from Albuquerque when you flew. You know exactly the Runway I'm talking about, right Pilot Boy? Sorry to burst your Shiny Superiority Bubble Pilot Boy. Do you cry when you get called out being wrong?

[@hempchimp]

@@scottfranco1962 Please let me clarify Pilot Boy, I wasn't implying the 36 flights I took out of ABQ to DFW over a 4 year span were all turn and roll, just a dozen or so. Hope this clears up your Awe...

[@AdhamNafea]

This is all on the controller, it doesn't matter what they see on the runway, they should in such deteriorated weather conditions have minimal separation rule applied in terms of times and distance, He didn't even bother to request an expedite roll for the southwest, between requesting clearance from take off and rolling confirmation is almost 4 minutes, that's a lot in such weather and such proximity, you don't take chances with human lives, he should have ordered an expedite take off or if unable to hold of runway until FedEx lands..as simple as this.

[@atikulhussain7614]

You are 100% correct homie..This is on the controllers head, he should of waited until the FedEx landed before giving clearance for southwest to take off..But why wasn't there a TCAS warning I'm wondering? Airlines pay hundreds of thousands for these systems and they should work flawlessly..Hundreds of lives are at stake here..

[@AdhamNafea]

@@atikulhussain7614 TCAS is disabled within ground proximity by default

[@atikulhussain7614]

@@AdhamNafea Why did it mention that the traffic alert and collision avoidance systems will be removed and analysed? All airports should have ASDE

[@mse326]

while I agree, we shouldn't completely absolve Southwest. They were told during takeoff clearance that traffic was 3 miles out. They should have declined the instruction themselves becuase it was too close

[@adamw.8579]

​@@mse326Make immediate takeoff or reject if they had some checklists to do.

[@tomsurrey2252]

I'm VERY impressed, with BOTH pilots, what a call to make, 'NEGATIVE!' WOW!!!!

[@wobblybobengland]

Hope they gave the FEDEX pilots a raise after that!

[@Success_Loves_Speed]

They definitely earned it on this one!

[@deepthinker999]

Unfortunately that is not going to happen. But the pilots did live up to the Purple Promise. FedEx employees are trained to bleed purple.

[@david1731048]

Here in the UK when the visibility is like that we aren't allowed to depart anything in front of an inbound at 6 miles.

[@KimmelSlavko]

Rules save lives 👍😊

[@deepthinker999]

Finally a solution! Hire the UK to train our controllers.

[@marcabshire4792]

With weather like that the incoming plane should have been giving priority over the plane sitting on the ground.

[@gabrielb9010]

Yea, Southwest shouldn't have been cleared for takeoff

[@BrittneeDrummer]

Controller should have cleared for takeoff using “NO delay” at the very least.

[@gabrielb9010]

@@BrittneeDrummer couldn't the Controller just tell Southwest to line up and wait behind the next landing aircraft (FedEx (genuine question))

[@BrittneeDrummer]

@@gabrielb9010 great question. Also I am a private pilot and worked for SWA for a decade in the past. I can’t imagine with Cat III approaches in effect that the airport was busy at all. I don’t see a reason to rush so yes he could and should have held them short of the active runway until fedex landed. Most all the questions on here could be replied with “the captain has the sole authority for the safe operation of the flight”. He or she could have declined the clearance also.

[@gabrielb9010]

@@BrittneeDrummer i guess they didn't want to miss they're departure slot

[@stopsign997]

“You have our apologies” yea sorry I’m going to need to talk to a supervisor

[@User31129]

"You have our apologies, and I'm going to go change my underwear."

[@penguinplays2673]

​@@User31129Th

[@Infinixftbl]

TheFlightchannel never disapoint us

[@johnl1091]

Two ways ATC could have avoided this: 1) "Southwest 708, Austin Tower, Runway 18L, cleared for takeoff, no delay" 2) "Southwest 708, Austin Tower, Hold short of runway 18L for landing traffic, a Boeing 767"

[@suspense_comix3237]

You’re clearly not trained or smart enough to know the gravity of the situation. Saying those things is almost like saying “I need you at 1000 feet at 120 knots to land.” to a 747.

[@cbesthelper404]

@@suspense_comix3237 No need to be condescending. It makes you sound dumb while saying someone else is not "smart enough".

[@ingenear]

😂@@cbesthelper404

[@longhair-dontcare9983]

I vote for the second option. I hope we're all smart enough to see that.

[@jjohnston94]

@@suspense_comix3237 Negative. Those are viable solutions. But since you appear to need it explained, the two alternatives are essentially 1) Shit, or 2) Get off the pot. Either go now, without screwing around, or wait until it's clear. The SWA screwed around and burned all their time cushion.

[@theycallmetundraboy]

"We appreciate your professionalism" AKA thanks for not killing those 128 people and yourselves. 👍

[@UndercoverZz]

Or for not ripping the atc a new one😅

[@rosiegroovy]

Glad everyone is ok. That music at the end is epic! Gotta hear more of it please.

[@sarahfrith1984]

FedEx pilot sounded so calm! I’d say the controller didn’t realise how close they were to landing based on seeing the information in this video

[@natural-born_pilot]

The controller could see FEDX on his radar but not the SW plane. Even so he could see the rapidly approaching FEDX and its proximity to the active approach end where the SW would be.

[@Yasser.Osman.A.Z.]

Thank you TFC. Appreciate your uploads, that an intense one, wheeef!!

[@jordan2104]

In a way, I'm happy to see that all these incidents were "near misses" and not serious accidents. It shows that safety in the aviation industry has come a long way, but we still need to improve and optimize things.

[@TheIronDuke9]

I wonder if the passengers headed toward their Mexican vacation were ever made aware of this close call or if they were oblivious and went on with their lives having no idea how near they came to death that day

[@TheZProtocol]

If a passenger had a FlightAware or FlightRadar24 app, I imagine that person felt reborn after watching the planes on screen

[@mercator79]

I'm sure they heard the roaring jet over their heads

[@TheIronDuke9]

Maybe, but those noise cancelling headphones work miracles and planes are already noisy during takeoff @@mercator79

[@TheIronDuke9]

But I think my point was that I want to know for sure, like witness testimony. Random guesses still leave me wondering, which is where I was at when I wrote the comment. You should've faked that you were there when you replied. Like, "Hell ya we heard it and it ruined/enhanced our trip!" or "I was so busy trying to get my brother's wife to give me a handjob under the warm and moist face towel that I didn't notice a damn thing and only found out 2 weeks later watching the news."@@mercator79

[@zephyrsky__]

Hearing a 767 doing a TOGA 100ft above you surely would produce some bum gravy

[@DakarRaider]

To be honest, I don't think I have enjoyed a KZbin channel this much in a very long time. Your production values, story-telling, and music are top notch. My hat is off to you.

[@martindunstan8043]

Scary as hell 😲 within 100ft!! That took a cool head, a brilliant video of an all too worryingly frequent occurrence.

[@dx1450]

I'm just surprised there wasn't a lot of wake turbulence between the two planes. Or there likely was but it just wasn't mentioned.

[@martindunstan8043]

@@dx1450 that's a good point, I didn't think of that. There would definitely have been turbulence in my pants that's for sure😲 that was scary close and what a cool professional that pilot was.

[@deepthinker999]

I believe that the Flight Channel did another one about a month ago in Florida. I believe that Air Canada was involved and tried landing on top of multiple planes who were awaiting take off.

[@SimpleAviation55]

@@deepthinker999that was at sfo the air Canada aligned on the taxiway thinking it was the runway and nearly hit a couple planes on a busy taxiway

[@gora2497]

Hopefully those near misses not disaster in the making and authorities can figure out way to secure aviation. And beautiful videos you done sir! Thank you!

[@himitsu-chan7358]

Rarely see aircraft telling another aircraft to abort takeoff instead of ATC. That's saying the severity of the circumstance.

[@clarsach29]

Pilots are trained to stay calm but if I was the FedEx pilot I would have been BEYOND angry (and scared) at this incident! I feel it is only a matter of time until we see a serious ground collision at an airport, which scares me. Probably not a great time to watch these videos but I am transiting through one of the busiest airports in the world next Tuesday (Frankfurt) and I hope that ATC systems all work well that day (and every day)

[@carputtgaming2088]

FedEx: "Tower, when you get a chance I have a phone number for you"

[@irasemamendez95]

I hope you are not a pilot

[@AdrianJr]

Yesss!!! They all LIVED!!!❤

[@NancyCouch]

When a crash happens and lives lost then and only then will changes happen.

[@deepthinker999]

So True

[@twalker1773]

The last air traffic controllers response said so much, by saying so little. Thanks for making this.

[@TheZProtocol]

The FedEx crew were extremely professional. Personally, I would have thrown hands at the ATC for that serious screw up.

[@RLTtizME]

You sound like a ruffian.

[@loriw2661]

Damn! The FedEx pilot is who you want flying! The ATC guy probably isn’t working anymore. The calm, professional manner they ALL utilized was admirable. And yes, that includes the ATC guy who was probably super rattled at his mistake. His potentially deadly mistake.

[@deepthinker999]

The controller didn't sound very rattled to me.

[@atikulhussain7614]

Great video as always, have been a subscriber since this channel had 200k subs and have watched the channel grow and get better and better..Keep the videos coming and I wish you all the success in the world and hope KZbin is paying you handsomely as you deserve every penny or cent as they say across the pond!

[@PrivateVoid1]

It boggles the mind that it's accepted policy in the US to issue line up and wait instructions to one flight whilst another is on final to the same runway. I don't believe this is permitted anywhere else in the world, but I'm happy to be corrected on this.

[@rustyrebar123]

I don't think this was that situation. The controller cleared SW for takeoff, not a line-up and wait. Not sure why he did that with another plane landing 1 min out, but they are overworked and understaffed. My understanding of a line-up and wait is not that the landing plane lands over the plane that is lined up, but that the lined up plane takes off before the landing plane, but is waiting for the previous plane that took off to get proper spacing.

[@PrivateVoid1]

@@rustyrebar123 You're absolutely right, my mistake - they were indeed cleared for take off. However irrespective of whether the clearance was TO or LUAW the principle is the same: an aircraft was cleared onto a runway when another aircraft was on final to that runway.

[@johneyon5257]

"74 Gear" Kelsey looked at this incident on his channel - he notes that Southwest has a reputation for speedy takeoffs - and ATC probably relied on that reputation - only to have this Southwest hold instead - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@NancyCouch]

The FedEx pilot saved everyone. Just another day in the office type guy. Nerves of steel.

[@rgarlinyc]

Dang! Kudos to the FEDEX Crew for avoiding a slaughter... Absolutely unacceptable of ground control to OK both aircraft to proceed, if only because they could NOT see where SouthWorst ws on the 18L runway! So, i now add Austin to my list of airports not to fly into or out of except under clear skies and bright sunlight!

[@deepthinker999]

And stay off of 3rd world carriers to maximize your lifespan.

[@h4rder10]

why southworst though?

[@rgarlinyc]

@@h4rder10 Not my invention - I did a lot of cross-country air travel pre-pandemic and these guys were almost always the "late" guys - and were hence always referred to with that insulting term. Maybe they're better now?

[@h4rder10]

i see. no, actually i'm not aware of american aviation companies.@@rgarlinyc

[@dennisndichu4045]

The near miss have been happening frequently more recently

[@Cadence-qt2ux]

Try Fire dumb ATC?

[@respectdawildo_danjones508]

Easy answer as to why

[@JHef9304]

@@respectdawildo_danjones508why?

[@respectdawildo_danjones508]

@@JHef9304 look up this current/most recent FAA director that was appointed, and check his “experience and qualifications” That will tell you everything you need to know Unfortunately that’s the new U.S… gross massive incompetence

[@MrCrystalcranium]

In those conditions, if the simulation accurately depicts what the visibility conditions were, there is no way a tower controller should have departing aircraft doing on the roll takeoffs while arriving traffic is on a very short final. He was handling takeoffs and landings like it was a sunny day. He certainly did not err on the side of caution and he should have in that soup.

[@cantstandtheestablishment4004]

Two things: 1) the controller should not have given the SWA flight clearance to takeoff in those conditions (dense fog), at least without stating cleared for "immediate takeoff". 2) The SWA flight spent too much time on the runway and it apparently did not register that traffic was on a 3 mile final. The only way they should've been cleared for takeoff is if there was no delay on the roll.

[@FiatVoluntasTuaAmen]

Even if there was no delay, there are still many reasons why they may abort the take-off which could have resulted in the runway not being clear in time for the FedEx flight to go around. Clearly the best option was to let the Fedex plane land first. It was only 1 minute delay anyway!

[@KimmelSlavko]

Such a fantastic video! 👍😊 Congratulations ! You do an outstanding job 💪😚

[@danijuggernaut]

So many US airports are overloaded with rotations, in my opinion it's just a question of time to have a disgrace. Newark has 1200 rotations per day and La Guardia is just insane.

[@roberthoffhines5419]

Also the near miss at OHare you did, 737 took off just over a cargo crossing the runway. The "I got this" one.

[@deepthinker999]

Great Pilot on that one as well.

[@Wheninflight]

It would have really shaken things up here in Memphis if the crew had not been as vigilant as they were- I’m glad they were watchful. N297FE actually one of their newest 767’s only delivered to them in the fall I’ve caught at MEM before as a spotter.

[@adamw.8579]

FedEx pilots reacted here as on non towered airfield. When ATC screw things then they got initiative with good ending.

[@terryhughes7349]

The team did a good job!

[@daltonharris6793]

Two culprits seem to play a roll here. First: it was bold of ATC to clear SWA08 for takeoff knowing the fedex flight was on short final, especially considering there was no way for him to know where the south west jet was. Two: SWA08 took the runway and then sat there for a period of time fully aware of a the Boeing 737 on short final. I’m that situation, I’m surprised they didn’t just hold short and wait if they still needed time to prep for takeoff. It demonstrates poor situational awareness. That’s off to the FedEx flight for being on top of things.

[@maryandersen557]

Yah some times you wonder who’s in theATC bravo to pilots after all they prevented a near disaster

[@alex321neo]

What should have happened was that AUS TWR should’ve held SWA708 short of 18L so that way FX1432 could land and then have SWA708 take off.

[@troll231]

no shit sherlock

[@paulu7751]

Exactly

[@hamannshaikh7398]

I miss your old intro music with video... 😢

[@MM_in_Havasu]

FedEx flight crew had their shit together in this incident. SW flight should have held until after the FedEx jet landed.

[@machintelligence]

Should have been held by the controller. Three miles is way too close. I'm glad that the Fedex pilot was on his toes.

[@MM_in_Havasu]

@@machintelligence hear that, and SW crew sure took their sweetass time about prepping for takeoff once on an active runway. 3 miles is less than a minute out with aircraft, or less, depending on the aircraft.

[@claytondennis8034]

There is no reason the Traffic controller should have cleared the Southwest flight to enter the runway. The video says the airport had light traffic at the time. That is your root cause.

[@johneyon5257]

Kelsey at "74 Gear" channel - a 747 pilot - says that Southwest has a reputation for speedy takeoffs - so ATC probably relied on that - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@Yasser.Osman.A.Z.]

So who's mistake this is?! The controller i am guessing, since there he is the one responsible for the parking lot 🙄 😑 🤔

[@OldStreetDoc]

The sheer number of close calls is getting frightening. For whatever reason, and there MUST be a reason, the rate of these things is accelerating - and if something isn’t done soon our worst nightmare may be on the way. Even with the cost there would be… a good military styled ‘Safety Stand Down’ would be a benefit. Stop what you’re doing, take a deep breath, and truly assess what is happening. Because nobody wants to relive something like Tenerife.

[@deepthinker999]

Do you think that the flying public would allow a 48 hour stand down like the Marines just did for their vertical take off planes? The last time that happened was all DC10s after Flight 191 crashed out of Chicago.

[@OldStreetDoc]

@@deepthinker999 I honestly don’t know. They might be fine with it… unless & until it was THEIR flight that was affected. If something (productive) isn’t done & done soon, the UN-thinkable is likely to force itself into the area of the thinkable. My suspicion is that were there to be a stand down, it might happen, and go past, with no appreciable changes or discoveries. Due only to the fact that for whatever reason the FAA is usually very slow to consider that the ATCs are playing perhaps as large a role in many of these incidents as the aircrew. This particular incident portrayed by TFC being a good example. The controller(s) simply made an error - and an error that could’ve been horrific. Had the visibility been any worse than it was in this case, that could’ve left the FedEx pilot with less or no chance of spotting the SW flight beneath it, making a collision unavoidable. I don’t know what the answer(s) is. But we have GOT to find one in my opinion.

[@deepthinker999]

@@OldStreetDocInstall Ground Radar before we do have a fatal incident.

[@daraghmorrissey]

Great video! There have been a lot of near miss incidents in 2023. Technology should be able to help. amazing work by the pilots to prevent a tragedy in this scenario

[@KittenPlaysGames-ti5vx]

Thank goodness it didn’t colide 😬

[@blrenx]

I want that FEDEX crew every time I need to fly

[@deepthinker999]

Not possible unless you are a package.

[@blrenx]

@@deepthinker999 lol true

[@TheJaymon1962]

Excellent!

[@ecclestonsangel]

I remember when this happened, and thinking, wtf was the ATC DOING, having an arrival AND departure at the same time?! Is he out of his MIND?!! Had it not been for the FEDEX pilots' quick thinking, there could have been an accident near the magnitude of Tenerife, only with less people, not that it would've mattered. Dead is dead. There was an accident of this nature at LAX several years ago, which is why they installed ASDE at the airport. IMO, EVERY airport should have this system!

[@deepthinker999]

Are you paying? Unfortunately it takes loss of life to bring about change.

[@jeependous]

Primary fault with ATCT for clearing a plane for takeoff with a 3 mile final inbound under ILS. Just reckless plain and simple. Southwest confirmed knowledge of inbound and should have either hit the gas or held short, not come to a complete stop. As airfield maintenance, we are told to expedite if an aircraft is cleared to land at any distance.

[@StalinTheMan0fSteel]

To close for comfort!!

[@ThiviruthepilotAviation]

I am likely to say that it was a close call, but some pilots didn't actually see the plane come to a bit slow takeoff. However, as far as that point, they realized it was a mistake, and luckily, no one was injured, and they were lucky enough to survive.

[@0101-s7v]

Pretty sad we have to rely on luck in the increasing number of close calls.

[@deepthinker999]

@@0101-s7v Luck eventually runs out, "an accident waiting to happen".

[@josephstratemeier8619]

I flew into AUS the week before. Fog was definitely an issue. I'm glad I wasn't on that southwest flight that's for sure!

[@hgbugalou]

I hope the tower controller and the SW crew got to shake the FedEx pilots hands. They saved the day.

[@airaction2257]

Just my opinion but the controller should have waited while the Fedex Landed & then given takeoff clearance to the southwest crew once Fedex had cleared the runway.

[@N1611n]

Exactly!

[@Vonononie]

I saw another channel talk about this incident and they said SouthWest usually take off quickly after clearance. It’s part of their business model to be in the air as quick as possible. It’s likely that the controller thought they would be long gone before FedEx got close. But because of a late handover from Captain to First Officer on the runway, as well as fog, they were slightly delayed. Shows that presuming something can lead to a dangerous situation

[@maj0072]

Maybe or the controller should have told Southwest to expedite take-off and not wait on the active runway. They were told FedEx heavy on 3 mile finals . This should have prompted an expedited go. Or for an extended hold short and wait by the pilots .

[@Capecodham]

Why did you say Just my opinion, who else's opinion would it be?

[@airaction2257]

@@Capecodham Because someone else might have a different opinion, Get it ! Or are you just trying to be argumentative ?

[@richardcline1337]

I can just imagine there were several instances of uniform pants having to be thrown away! Great situational awareness by the FedEx pilot!

[@FlorenceChiswa]

Can't believe it 😮😮😮😮😮

[@joshlampe3458]

The controller effectively orchestrated a collision here, and had no awareness throughout the entire event. I don't know how we could have someone this incompetent in the ATC tower, but whatever led to it needs to be fixed. Unbelievable.

[@lunayoshi]

They've been short on air traffic controllers since COVID. This controller was probably overworked and/or tired. They really need to hire more people.

[@jokers7890]

The ATC sounds like a pot head.

[@jefflebowski918]

He needs to be fired, almost killed a bunch of people.

[@dx1450]

I still say he should have held the SW aircraft until the Fedex landed. They could have waited a few more minutes since it seems like they weren't ready to go yet anyway.

[@johneyon5257]

see this "74 Gear" episode for an analysis from a 747 pilot - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@trevorregay9283]

Wow....this is rather comforting to know that sometimes common sense is not used by Air Traffic Controllers........soooooooo....now what?

[@johneyon5257]

the traffic collision avoidance systems were probably a few moments from activating - it would have directed Southwest to maintain its altitude and FedEx to turn to climb - according to the 747 pilot who vlogs as "74 Gear" (start video at 18 min 22 sec) kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@trevorregay9283]

@@johneyon5257 ok.....thats a little more comforting.....

[@todd5082]

If visibility was limited due to weather and the tower had no visual on the ground aircraft why the heck would u stack them that close??

[@deepthinker999]

Could not have said this any better.

[@b.t.356]

In my opinion, the manner of which the ATC human carried out their duties left quite a bit to be desired. Also, I believe that the runway collision system/technology should be standard at all airports around the globe, whether it's a major airport like London-Heathrow Airport or a smaller airport such as Northern Colorado Regional Airport.

[@MrAvlandrew]

ATC Fail

[@CC-xn5xi]

It's expensive.

[@mouneshaidar7040]

Those FE guys rock. Bravo

[@NCnative82]

ATC should not have cleared SWA onto the runway with the 767 so close to landing. I blame ATC in this instance and kudos to the FedEx crew for acting quickly to go around.

[@FirstLast_Nba]

I'm going to blame the southwest captain for delaying his take-off for so long, only moving when he heard the fedex and controller talking about him.

[@Ayeshteni]

Sure, come on Southwest, chop chop, just ignore your takeoff checklists. ATC shouldn't have authorised the takeoff of Southwest until the FedEx had landed, but that's just my opinion.

[@Cadence-qt2ux]

" delaying his take-off for so long," Are you oblgated to jettison the second ATC gave permission?

[@luuduonghy659]

@JimAllen-PersonaOverall, ATC fault.

[@RLTtizME]

Keep your job at Waffle House.

[@johneyon5257]

a real 747 pilot analyzed this event at kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@cito1101]

Hope you can do the close call between Delta Airlines and American Airlines at JFK

[@foofighter1790]

Luckily no one was injured

[@ThiviruthepilotAviation]

Imagine lucaas.

[@frasermitchell9183]

A complete balls-up by the ATC, no ifs or buts.

[@georgegravette1132]

You can hear the "Man, I f---d up, f---d up bad!" in the controller's voice.

[@ComradDave]

I was on the SA flight and couldn't believe when I found out how close we were to death

[@m.larminamelendres8267]

Theflightchannel you are still not making a video of what happened to Philippine airlines 113

[@renferal5290]

Well done, FedEx pilots!! I would have been very angry with ATC

[@josephj6521]

Southwest looked like they took their sweet little time. OTOH, possibly ATC should’ve told southwest to not enter the runway until the FedEx plane had landed?

[@gertsy2000]

'Traffic 3 miles on Final', was the cue to get on the runway and go. Southwest had 1 minute to prepare on the runway and go. If they need more than that they should have called it.

[@jacopofbargellini4005]

But... shouldnt they blame the air controllers to give authorization to Southwest while Fedex was landing?????

[@Romans1.24-27]

Yes

[@johneyon5257]

see the episode by "74 Gear" Kelsey - a 747 pilot - he was reticent to totally blame ATC even tho he recognized their error - he said that Southwest has a reputation for speedy takeoffs - but they held for some (probably safety) reason - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ibY5mhoqiEmMU

[@jacopofbargellini4005]

Thank you very much, i have seen it and better understood the dynamics @@johneyon5257

[@cassandratq9301]

Kelsey was criticized in the comments . Most thought it was clearly ATC fault + that Kelsey, being an active 747 pilot, didn't want to ruffle any feathers.

[@emtpete010]

for the past 4 months now (at the time I'm writing this) I've actually been part of the "FedEx crew" ground crew that is lol. I load and unload the planes. I'm one of the Material handler's out on the ramp at IND here in Indianapolis. If any of you fly for FedEx I may have either delivered the freight to or from your aircraft with my tug or actually personally loaded or unloaded your plane personally during the offload/Onload night shift. I'm also one of the deicers on point 8. I have so much respect for pilots. I've interacted the the FedEx pilots and they are one of the most Professional and knowledgeable pilots I've met. I really enjoy working for FedEx and really proud to be here. All my training is top notch and management is super understanding and will correct you professionally if you make a mistake so you learn. (we ALL make mistakes) I wish all of you pilots a safe flight.✈

[@PitoTubu]

According to NTSB preliminary report (6.6.2024) SWA got takeoff clearance already 570 feet before the RWY entry point while taxiing. The Tower assumes that the SWA is on the holding point and will depart immediately.

[@dd_ranchtexas4501]

ILS approach: suitably qualified pilots flying suitably equipped aircraft to suitably equipped runways..... SUITABLY EQUIPPED ATC???

[@KimmelSlavko]

😂😂😂 HAHAHA 😅👍😊🤪

[@WrenchNotFound]

All these incidents of 2023 would prove that the chance of a catastrophe happening is high. And thats what happened a day after the new year in 2024 between JAL 516 and the DHC-8

[@lorimeyers3839]

As a non-pilot, man I’d be shitting bricks landing ILS in zero visibility. My god.

[@paulu7751]

If you’re properly trained, it’s not that hard…..

[@michaelallen1396]

New FO's are in training mode all the time and it slows everything down, the controller thought there was time for the Southwest but they dawdled.

[@Capecodham]

FO? Why use an undefined acronym when the producer explains everything. Are you a smart ass?

[@josephfelts6560]

Thanks for the video. A near miss avoided in the end, which was almost hard to avoid with the visibility given. Though in 2023, you'd have thought we'd have the capabilities to fight bad visibility a lot better. Might be an idea to even have crew stationed by on the ground to provide updated reports by sight on airplanes on the runways, when visibility gets to such a degree.

[@Eltoca21]

Could this have been a no factor if ATC had asked SW if they were able to expedite their take-off from the get go, and if they were unable then to continue to hold short?

[@eddiehimself]

One thing I really like is when I watch a FlightChannel video and it doesn't say "in memory of" at the bottom.

[@sherylsocia4496]

Really makes you want to fly, right?

[@JSFGuy]

😏....

[@Ge0Mancer7]

​@JimAllen-PersonaWtf

[@KimmelSlavko]

😂 HAHAHA 😅👍😊