WOTM: An All-Loving God Who Sends People To Hell, Part I

[@drlegendre]

If I never heard one more word out of Mike Winger's mouth, my life would be a notably better place.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

Xian: _"You're a wicked sinner!"_ Atheist: _"You'll have to take that up with the manufacturer. I only do minor repairs."_

[@ob2249]

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[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@ob2249 I cannot "offend" anyone. Not even a god. They can only "take" offense.

[@77pixels64]

How many excuses could an Excuseagist excuse if an Excuseagist could excuse an excuse?

[@misterdeity]

LOL!!! I think the answer is... as many excuses as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

[@markhaunert5029]

Dear Misterdiety. I'm getting way more sarcastic listening to you. I thank you for that. Awesome work sir. 👏 👍✌️

[@calasia7896]

'Christianity is a crime against humanity'. I will remember that.

[@thomassandoval8025]

Ignorant statement considering our society was built on Christian charity, medicine, education and ideals.

[@I_suck-_-so_what]

Humans are a crime against humanity. Religion and god belief isn't the problem. It's HUMANS. Wake up.

[@davepugh2519]

When god says "You're wicked", he usually means "You're not worshipping me"

[@flowingafterglow629]

I don't know about god, but certainly that applies to believers. Here in these comments, we've seen the accusation that atheists are choosing to sin. What sin is that? Who knows? Other than "you're not worshipping god"

[@AssassinoJake]

@@flowingafterglow629 the "unforgivable sin" is really just not being Christian. If you stop to think about it, it really gives the game away.

[@LucreDenouncer]

"These folks are stuck between defending the indefensible (Hell) and questioning the unquestionable (their god)" - TheraminTrees, "respecting beliefs | why we should do no such thing" at 15:59

[@misterdeity]

That's a great line!!!

[@LucreDenouncer]

@@misterdeity Definitely. It has stuck with me for years!

[@moldychez5429]

I'm glad you quoted TheraminTrees. He is one of my favorites to listen to.

[@ZippyTripped]

Mike doesn’t have to think, he has faith.

[@c.a.t.732]

Whenever I've brought this topic up with Christians, their excusegist response is "God doesn't send anyone to hell. People send themselves to hell through their own lack of belief!" As though God is helpless to do anything about it.

[@morganhess6876]

👆

[@Ponera-Sama]

"Do they get the same punishment as Hitler or Mao?" No, silly. Hitler accepted Jesus as his lord and savior, so he gets no punishment.

[@Yumlick]

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[@marcdc6809]

it's true, there was a priest in that bunker and he made it look like he was executed by his bodyguard who then also confessed... to avoid having it called suicide...

[@misterdeity]

@@Yumlick LOL!

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

That's true. But the way religious minds work, Hitler was undeniably a bad person. And Christianity is good. Therefore Hitler couldn't have been a Christian. Even though he very clearly was. Ask any Christian and they'll say the same thing. The power religion has over people's minds is just amazing.

[@woodsonchem]

Another great expose' of the cruelty baked into Christianity.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

The trouble with fundamentalist xians *are* the fundamentals of xianity.

[@BCole-bj4lv]

Mark Twain on religion: "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."

[@Egooist.]

_"To argue with a man who has renounced the use & authority of reason, & whose philosophy consists of holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."_ [Thomas Paine]

[@misterdeity]

Paine and Darwin are my top two all-time heroes!!! Thanks for posting that quote!

[@Egooist.]

@@misterdeity Thank you for posting your great videos!

[@Devious_Dave]

Why does Mike's god have limited mercy but unlimited anger? Therapy might help 🙂

[@JPMitchell31721]

So the people not being punished for their sins will rejoice watching other people being punished. Isn't that just lovely?

[@Xbob42]

It's like when we have Prison Mockery Day, where we shut down the nation and bus everyone to a local prison to point and laugh at the prisoners! Wait? That's not a thing? Any decent person would be horrified and consider that evil? Huh.

[@DenisLoubet]

Interviewer: So, do you ever think about escaping hell? Me: What, and leave show-biz?!

[@yourgodismean4526]

This reminds me of those fools who say, “everything happens for a reason”. Grrrr 😖

[@naomiandtommccabe]

It’s part of god’s plan.

[@gerriebuys4889]

...it is called physics (and not devine intervention, which incidentally does not exist - no evidence).

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

That would imply that everything down to subatomic particles are sentient individuals!🧐 I for one know better, and everything was predetermined at the big bang (as far as we can tell), where every particle/energy was sent on course to evolve into the here and now for us, and with all but a fraction of a percent of it still in it's infancy of evolution and still in chaos. Not that we cannot manipulate things, and with it change the paths matter and energy take, it's just apparent that most of everything, accept highly evolved creatures on earth show sentience, and even that is all over the place as to how much and in what ways they differ between species, and with there being nothing we know of below a threshold of complexity (minimally a nervous system) that displays anything resembling reasoning or thinking of any kind. In fact, so far it has not even shown plausible, let alone even possible complex thought can arise from simple organisms, and so far none at all from anything inorganic. Obviously even in us that shit is nowhere near perfect and under constant manipulation by our environment, add each other..., and why there are such people as blind faith believers in some of the most far out whack job nonsense!😅

[@yourgodismean4526]

Yeah, CSA and childhood cancer “happen for a reason”. Ppl are either evil(WLC recently justifying genocide) or embarrassingly clueless. For a survivor of child abuse like me, hearing that feels like a slap in the face

[@marcdc6809]

@@gerriebuys4889 indeed, no need to worship something for which there is no indication... they like to point out that black swans were thought to be non-existent... to which I wonder: did you also think the universe was made by black swans and they'd answer your prayers and they provide an afterlife? ok!

[@williamfournier7239]

I wish I could give this video more thumbs up . The algorithm is not your friend Mr.D.

[@Kohout33]

You are my fave atheisto-dramatist-satirist-humorist. Thank you for driving this point home.

[@dougt7580]

I'll second. I was late to the party and only received blessings and indulgences by the Lord non-existo from Brian's humor, wit, empathy, and insight 2 years ago.

[@misterdeity]

Well, now you’re both my new best friends. Call me!

[@Kohout33]

@@misterdeity You erase all your voicemails. Too many people thanking you for food, if I recall.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

I ask the hell believers; "What if there really is a god, and She reserves heaven only for skeptics and doubters? What if this is all a gullibility test and hell is for people who claim to know stuff they don't really know? "

[@HisZotness]

Hitchens referred to this as a Celestial North Korea.

[@DEILOVEBABY]

Hitchens probably never suspected we would be so close to becoming North Korea through the looming threat of Christian nationalism, aka Project 2025

[@AnnetQuintanaKnowsBest]

Yes he did. Goddamn it I miss Hitch. 😢

[@micbroc6435]

Evangenital. Brutal. Hearing that I ran to the bathroom so I wouldn’t piss my pants.

[@Kawamura2]

I'm going to start using Evangenital Christianity from now on. Oh, and I never made it to the bathroom.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

I saw the movie, The Evilgenitals, on some online platform, can't remember, hub,or something... Probably a very similar video to The Evangenitals. I'd give it 3 thumbs up.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

yeah, the "trust me bro" argument for god. god thinks i'm stupid.

[@flowingafterglow629]

And iirc Mike's answer gets worse, because he tells the person to trust God to provide justice for their family's evil ways. Straight out tells the person that their family is evil and deserves it.

[@misterdeity]

@@flowingafterglow629 He's so awful!!!

[@misterdeity]

"Trust me bro" LOL!!!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@misterdeity when he used to talk with pinecreek sometimes he could appear reasonable, but the more i see of these clips of him the more he actually disgusts me.

[@misterdeity]

@@HarryNicNicholas Yeah, he's the saddest Rush Limbaugh wannabe on KZbin now. But I won't give up on him. It took me 14 years to get over my political indoctrination. So I always hold out hope.

[@suicune2001]

Apparently they will excuse anything because they think they're special and won't get the torture part.

[@provocativecheesecake]

“Evangenital” 😂 I’m going to see how many times I can slip that into conversations without getting caught.

[@misterdeity]

That's a funny idea. I've never tried it. Please report back!

[@c.k.8412]

@@misterdeity I shamelessly use that term quite often. The double takes I get are pure gold.

[@simonkoster]

There is no hate like Christian love.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

_Agape_ hate? ; )

[@klyvemurray]

@@MichaelJonesC-4-7 🤣🤣🤣

[@EarnestApostate]

Man, it took me several episodes before I got your sign off. "I'm me." Now that I get it, it makes me chuckle every time.

[@condorboss3339]

OTOH, countless trillions of years in YHWH's heaven constantly singing his praises sounds like eternal torment to me.

[@InigoMontoya-]

🎶“Infinity bottles of sacramental wine on the wall; infinity bottles of sacramental wine. Open one up, have a cracker and a cup; infinity bottles of sacramental wine on the wall.”🎵

[@Uriel238]

As an (uncredited, armchair) philosopher, I have to wonder why a god so removed from the post-agricultural human expeience would be so obsessed on retributive justice, as to revel in the schadenfreude of the suffering of wrongdoers? As a simulation coder, I don't ever feel a jot of wrath or resentment of my created instances of specimen, even as they behave unexpectedly or not as I want them to, usually due to bugs (that is logical errors in their programming, not literal roaches living in the punchcard reader). I see them _without_ omniscience as malfunctioning rather than malicious renegades. Broken like a toaster, not untamed like a horse. And an omniscient God would know to a Planck scale the circumstances that lead to my missteps, and if we assert divine intentionality (my sims did some randomization in its incident generation, so I was looking to discover emergent behaviors. Science!) then God _willfully_ set the clockwork in motion to behave as it did. From God's perspective, we are threads in a tapestry, predestined and unchanging. There is no justice to mete out. So, the notion of Hellfire presumes God is not a watchmaker precision-crafting perfect escapement to keep exact time, but a late-arriving technician who obtained the timepiece second-hand and is trying to make it cook bread into toast, while falsely asserting he created the machine all along, and toating bread was its original function. Since we know apologists and ministries are only guessing at the nature of reality, we can instead choose to look instead at what the natural world tells us, rather than listen to propagandists who want our money and social obedience.

[@misterdeity]

This is so good!!! I hope everyone will take the time to read it. A God who is tri-omni who can't simply understand and forgive is the most ridiculous idea ever! I mean, other than the idea of a tri-omni God who creates a world filled with evil and suffering.

[@superman9894]

God created the Hell-bound, knowing they would burn in Hell -- He also creating every mean and hateful person, knowing the pain and suffering they would cause others to endure... sounds like God doesn't really do anything to prevent or reduce suffering in any way.

[@InigoMontoya-]

If you can be made to not care if your loved ones are tortured forever; why can’t your loved ones be made to not sin? “Free will” means nothing if you are just going to forget everything except how to worship.

[@reformCopyright]

I'm excited to see how many parts this one-part series will have!

[@misterdeity]

LOL!!! There are only two parts to this one-part series. But I do have a follow-up coming next month.

[@robsquared2]

God is all loving...his love is just focused on hickory smoked humans.

[@misterdeity]

I love that - “hickory smoked humans!” I have to remember that one. Do we come with a side of coleslaw and baked beans? LOL!!!

[@HisZotness]

​@@misterdeityDon't forget the hushpuppies!

[@SapientCephalopod]

So, don't eat anything labeled "Long Pork" at the buffet in Heaven?

[@aralornwolf3140]

Stop! Stop! You're making me laugh!

[@InigoMontoya-]

I don’t like the dry rub; it itches.

[@Zahaqiel]

I think it really comes down to this: if I created wicked autonomous creations that didn't follow my own moral code, that'd make me look like a bad creator. And it'd be super weird for me to decide to make them experience eternal conscious torment as my way of supposedly fixing that problem rather than, you know... not creating them, or shutting them down when my mistake became apparent. _So it must really suck to claim to be a perfect creator and then do all of that, huh?_

[@FoxyRaccoon84]

The funny thing is that for your analogy to be even closer to the claim, you'd have created the automatons specifically to not follow your views. They would be created and programmed with the express intent that they would oppose you. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

[@Zahaqiel]

@@FoxyRaccoon84 Yeah, I haven't even factored in omniscience into my point. It would be _extra super creepy-weird_ for me to knowingly create autonomous beings that almost universally wouldn't follow my own moral code (including apparently most of the ones that actively wanted to but who I'd still reject because they didn't get it quite right on minor points of difference), and for me to know in advance that I would set them on fire forever for it and which specific ones I'd be setting on fire and what they would do that I'd be using as my excuse for setting them on fire. It'd be equally weird for me to make a big deal over the very tiny minority that I made specifically knowing they _would_ follow my moral code (even though I made them that way and fully knew how making them any other way would mean that they didn't do the things I claimed to want them to do), and for me to gaslight that minority into thinking that any of this entire scenario I intentionally set up myself was good and that they should enjoy it and feel privileged, and to convince them that actually over time they would continue to feel increasingly good about all of it. That'd all be _really insane behaviour_ and make me look like a psycho. So, that all super extra sucks for someone who claims to be perfect.

[@DadamWrites]

But don't worry, you'll be completely happy in Heaven and totally fulfilled by the presence of a deity 24/7 for eternity! Just don't think too hard about it!

[@Skymannot6939]

Bravo! Well put 🎉

[@Egooist.]

_"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things & evil people doing evil things. But for good people doing evil things, that takes religion."_ [Steven Weinberg]

[@lisaboban]

You quoted from Jonathan Edwards' sermon in published in 1741 called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" which is said to have sparked a great revival in the US. Folks have been trying to justify this extortionist god behavior for hundreds of years. I read it years ago when I was a Christian and found it despicable even then. Dan McClellan did a great episode on the origins of hell, which is actually not a Jewish concept. It's worth seeking out.

[@tomschmidt381]

As someone raised Catholic I always thought it weird a being so powerful they are able to wish the universe into existence would at the same time be so insecure to feel the need to torture folks forever because they are unable to accept god as real.

[@DenisLoubet]

I suspect a lot of hell is revenge porn for not believing what theists say, and making fun of them.

[@misterdeity]

I suspect you've nailed it!!!

[@ChipArgyle]

If you're going to be happy and blissful in Heaven knowing that so many of the people you knew and cared for who aren't with you are burning forever somewhere else, you will have been changed somehow. Your memory will have been erased so you'll have forgotten them, or you'll have been made callous. Regardless, you won't be you once you're in Heaven, which means all that happy adoration He's getting from the souls present is a contrived holy delusion He's created for himself.

[@misterdeity]

Indeed! That's exactly what one of our Christian commenters posted here - with a scripture and everything. You won't be you (#lobotomy) and you certainly won't have your free will. Sounds wonderful, doesn't it?

[@I-am-bruno]

Still don't get how xtians' can accept the idea of their families, friends burning while they're laughing. And they're the good ones.😢

[@morganhess6876]

I really do think that sociopathy is an aquired mental disorder, and Christianity can be an unbelievably good vector for its transmission.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

You are always twice the fun, like those doublemint twins, or whatever... I get to lmao once and then watch again for the side bar. I have ADHD so it can take many viewings to get it all. 🤗THANK YOU THANK YOU ! 🤗

[@misterdeity]

I’m ADHD as well. If I’d been born 25 years later, they have jacked me up on Ritalin like nobody’s business when I was a kid.

[@misterdeity]

I’m ADHD as well. If I’d been born 25 years later, they have jacked me up on Ritalin like nobody’s business when I was a kid. And thanks so much for beautiful gift. Blessings are headed your way.

[@ronjohnson4566]

i have a niece who gave birth to twins. a boy and a girl. the boy was perfectly normal/healthy. the girl was born having seizures from day one. she had as many as 30 in very short period time and seizures constantly her entire life. she recently died at 11 years old. i don't think she ever knew the concept of any god, much less a god that did this to her.

[@jonc4403]

But that's all fine, because the christian god in its infinite mercy and perfect judgment has sent that sinning little girl to hell to be tormented forever. Aren't you happy that you can worship that perfect god in heaven forever? /s

[@dgracey01]

@@jonc4403 You mean Purgatory? Where did I read souls who were not condemmed but not yet saved end there waiting for final judgement? Can't remember, so many tales.

[@Fraterchaoraterchaos]

just realize that if you happen to be an altar boy, molested by your priest, and despite that you still believe and worship, you might one day get to sit right next to the bastard that abused you, while breathing in the fumes of the burning body of the psychologist who tried to help you in your trauma... now that, my friends, is "justice" to be blissful about...

[@morganhess6876]

The Christian God is more sublimely twisted than any cartoonish villain I could create that isn't directly based on him.

[@RialVestro]

No amount of time would even make two contradicting ideas suddenly not contradict eachother. I don't understand not because I lack God's perfect wisdom but rather because God himself lacks even the imperfect wisdom of an average human. It's pretty clear to those of us paying attention that God was made up by primative humans as God only seems to know what humans at the time the Bible was written already believed. Things that modern science has disproven decades ago but the religious still want to believe is supernatural.

[@misterdeity]

That first line is so great!!! You guys always show me up with more pith than I can muster. That's such a brilliant point. This is the reason I love making these videos. The insight I get is always better than I give!

[@CharlesPayet]

Oh, yeah, @misterdeity. Now I remember this video - I watched it when you posted it on Patreon, but I didn’t get to comment on it. Gaaaah, Mike is such an appalling excusegist. 🤮🙄

[@misterdeity]

How's the piano playing coming? I'm self-taught, so I've never had a recital. But I've played live a thousand times with bands.

[@CharlesPayet]

@@misterdeity it’s coming along! Thank you so much for remembering and asking. 😁🙏 My ADHD makes practicing a struggle, so I advance slowly, but it’s just for fun and personal enjoyment anyway. No one will ever ask me to play in a band. 😂

[@charlesparadis5716]

thanks Bri Bri.....

[@misterdeity]

It's genuinely my pleasure!

[@idunno3302]

He doesn't just send them there. He made hell, made the demons in it, and made the people he knew wouldn't believe he was real to send them there. Dick move if he is indeed all knowing. If he's stupid like people I could understand.

[@preztjuswoman]

The blind leading the blind. 😢

[@HutcH68]

Technically, all Hitler had to do was accept JC as his savior and all sins forgiven, right?

[@misterdeity]

That's the Christian way!

[@aralornwolf3140]

Craig: Yes Ken: No Host: You're Both correct! - Skit by the NonStampCollector _Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)_ Edit: For clarity, since there are multiple passages in the Bible where the writer of that text was trying to figure that out, and argued for one position or another, the only thing we can conclude is the writers of the bible didn't know, so it is church opinion... and different churches have differing opinions.

[@laurajarrell6187]

Brian the bootiful! Oh wow, no wonder the 'cult' is enamored. Drumf really is godlike. Only 'me,me, me,' loving watching other suffer. He really is more christian than I'd thought! And, like their gods, of no real use AT ALL! 😂👍🏿💙💙💙🥰✌🏻

[@pragmaticcrystal]

The term all loving … has meaning…

[@miguenzo]

All you gotta do is say "I believe in Jeebus!'' seconds before you die and you're in! Heaven I mean.

[@Egooist.]

_"Atheism is what happens when you read the Bible. Christianity is what happens when someone else reads it for you."_ [Bertrand Russel]

[@Egooist.]

@@TomHensley-g1n Thank you for feeding the algorithm!

[@Egooist.]

@@TomHensley-g1n I know! Thanks!

[@misterdeity]

@@TomHensley-g1n You're clearly someone who has had someone read it for you. Say hello to your pastor or priest for me!

[@misterdeity]

@@TomHensley-g1n Now, why would you imagine I haven't studied the Bible? I used to be a believer and studied the Bible quite extensively. Studied it even more since I left religion. But when I was religious, I used to study the Hebrew Bible with my good friend Dennis Prager and his Rabbi/teacher. So I probably know the Hebrew Bible in greater depth. But I know the New Testament really well also. Is this just something you have to tell yourself when intelligent people who disagree with you make a good point?

[@Egooist.]

@@TomHensley-g1n What do you learn by reading fairy-tales written by mostly ignorant, intolerant, naive, & unethical men from the Bronze & Iron Age? Does it go beyond banal or barbaric?!

[@aubreyleonae4108]

I would tell my family. I'm very sorry but I will never be allowed to see you in heaven, should it be real. You will be singing praises to god as I'm tossed like "shrimp on the barbie," to my eternal reward. Have fun with that thought. Now, if you could please pass the potato salad and grandpa fell asleep again. If you could nudge him a bit.

[@laurajarrell6187]

I watched this back in gmail, but didn't comment. You, Brian are the only thing good about it.👍🏼💙💙💙✌🏽🥰

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

Winger is way up on the appalling index. Right up there with William Lane Craig.

[@misterdeity]

Low Bar Mike just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@misterdeity True, alliteration was how Norse Heroic poetry was done. Doesn't seem very popular these days. The only thing I know is L. Sprague de Camp's Big Feet story. Hero Bigfeet, brave and brawny, Seeks to slay the dragon Goofnir, For he craves the golden gewgaws Goofnir guards through endless eons.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@misterdeity I don't think Y O Tub will allow this but try I must. Omni Evil Mike Genocide Mike Slavery Supporting Mike Bad God Winger

[@ob2249]

@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv if were d0in p0ems an imm0raI christian named mike wh0se g0d was naiIed t0 a tree with a spike his ind0ctrinati0n and p00r educati0n faiIed t0 impress as he`d Iike I kn0w Lear w0uId be disapp0inted

[@kenbattor6350]

Maybe God set things up like professional sports. You can't have champions without the losers. You can't have the saved without the damned.😁

[@hidden546]

Absolutely love reading some Thomas Boston to my kids before bed. We usually keep a small BBQ in the room and I leave some meat roasting on it to really add to the immersion.

[@stevewebber707]

Show me a Christian that has swallowed the lie that hell would be just, and I'll show you a person that is capable of rationalizing literally any atrocity. The bible doesn't even do a good job of describing heaven and hell, and how to go there. At least Dante's fan fic made some interesting guesses, that involved some rational thought.

[@rolandwatts3218]

Funny idea. Mike will end up in hell even though he spent all of his adult life as a devout believer, glorifying and praising God. Why will this happen? It will happen as a complete and utter demonstration of God's absolute, infinite power. While in hell, between bursts of agonizing pain, Mike will continue glorifying God. And why not? Such an action by God will be beyond the comprehension and criticism of any mere mortal like Mike. Mike will have no option other than to choose to rejoice at God's wisdom and power.

[@suicune2001]

I think a lot of these crazy evangelicals christians would wind up in hell if there was one. Their own deity can't decide if EVERYONE deserves hell (since you know, we all fall short of his glory or whatever and we're less than the dirt beneath the dirt under his feet) or thinking we're cool enough to allow a select few into heaven. Even though, the story is supposed to be Jesus sacrificed himself for EVERYONE but I guess somehow couldn't make the blood magic work for everyone and we'll just ignore Jesus flat out said he only came for Israelites.

[@seraphonica]

considering how casually Mike shrugs this question off, perhaps responding to a question to something other than a response might be called "giving someone the Winger"

[@misterdeity]

That's awesome! LOL!!!

[@thescoobymike]

But but but we send *ourselves* to Hell dontchaknow? /s

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

And lets not forget, terms and conditions do apply to Yahwey promises.

[@InigoMontoya-]

Results may vary.

[@catherinespencer-mills1928]

[@ZenWithKen]

MW is the most desperate Christian I've come across, but he didn't provide the best answer for why god created me specifically to go to hell. That belongs to Mr. Frank Turek. FT said I was created specifically to go to hell because it would inspire true Christians to be better Christians. That's right, I'm a f'n launch pad for the righteous. The door mat to heaven. Can you feel the love?

[@misterdeity]

Hey! We're both cautionary tales. Awesome!!!

[@morganhess6876]

In the website TV Tropes, there's this magnificent trope called the "Complete Monster." The more I hear Christian apologists try to defend God, the more I think he should be the poster boy of that trope. Like, when you pull open the page, instead of a skeletal cyborg thing burning planets and people, it should be something like God as depicted in the Creation of Adam. He is the most twisted and irredeemable being I can concieve of, and Frank Turek beautifully illustrates why.

[@InigoMontoya-]

Gotta make an example out of someone.

[@benway23]

I look forward to the continuance. Thank you.

[@meltvision]

Yea, the hell adventure seems a little harsh. And crowded too. I'm really looking forward to part sixteen. Peace!

[@unclejohnny863]

Got to like that hair on Pastor Boston !

[@tctheunbeliever]

I remember reading Sinners in the Hands etc. in school and thinking how messed up it was. It sounded so gleeful and sadistic. Of course Brother Carlin was the best counterexcusagist on this subject.

[@Kawamura2]

My question is, how did Mike Winger think that that would be a satisfying answer. He didn't seem as he was saying it to think it was that great, just looking at his body language. Heck, he didn't have to answer that question on his show, he could have just sent someone a private message. All he ended up doing was make Christianity, and god look even more monstrous.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

Excusegist 😅

[@ericmishima]

'I know it sounds stupid and horrifying but really we just don't understand his horribleness.' Stop pretending this garbage is ok!!!!! Stop it.

[@jimbob8992]

I think Mike is your evil twin doppelganger from another world.

[@misterdeity]

I'll take that, given that Mike is a good-lookin' man!

[@drfoxcourt]

Mike Winger originally struck me as just a few more clues shy of realizing his god does not exist (one of those people stuck in their profession, knowing it was false). Now I think he's studied the Bible so much that he probably hasn't had an original thought since. He doesn't think he is lying. He knows a great deal about a person who became a legend, without realizing it is actually a myth.

[@jenna2431]

Why does god have to judge? Entire pantheons of goddesses and gods were just in charge of stuff, maybe needed to be bribed here and there. But get one on its own, evidently, and it's a tyrant? Nah, if I need one, it'll be a happier deity.

[@marcdc6809]

that's also something I'm thinking, they can make up anything, and what do they come up with? sad!

[@misterdeity]

@@marcdc6809 Yeah, the failure of humans to imagine a truly loving God is perhaps the most telling thing about us. We're not a very good species. All hail the Doggie Friends!

[@knarf_on_a_bike]

I'd rather be in Hades anyway. All my heroes will be there: Camus, Sartre, Freud, Hitch. And my Dad, who once said that Hades will be like an Eternal Left Bank. Sure as heck beats heaven!

[@InigoMontoya-]

If you don’t love God enough to want to tell him what a swell guy he is, while some of your loved ones are tortured for thought crimes for eternity; I guess you just aren’t worthy of the opportunity to forever pat him on the back and give him “Attaboys.” God demonstrates his love by having us worship him- despite the terrible stuff he does. I bet God wears wifebeater t-shirts, and yells from the couch for more beer and pot pies, while watching tv and smoking cigarettes. It is the ultimate form of love.

[@canwelook]

Jesus (aka god) is all-loving. He loves ALL forms of torture.

[@stevenbatke2475]

He mutilates in mysterious ways ;)

[@archapmangcmg]

If Mike Winger could be bound to only use logic and evidence in his job, the world would be a better place.

[@InigoMontoya-]

I think the ADA forces his work to make concessions due to his anencephaly.

[@commonsense5494]

I still wonder why a being that knows all would want to spend eternity with people who voluntarily give over the intelligence he gave them to making excuses for things that have no excuse. Even we find that annoying.

[@ProfCuneusStern]

Semper Cogitas !!

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Great work sir.

[@misterdeity]

Great comment, friend.

[@BeenDownSoLong...]

Is the "holier than thou" feeling worth hating your family and friends this much?

[@misterdeity]

It's a pretty good feeling - I have to admit! Enjoyed it quite a bit when I was super religious.

[@pefo1674]

"Amish paradise" ?

[@InigoMontoya-]

You don’t want to do the Church Lady Superiority Dance in Heaven as you watch your loved ones burn in Hell? Why even be Christian?

[@SuperFredAZ]

what about infants who never accept god, and they go to hell?

[@georgem2334]

God of Evangenital Christianity! 😀

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

It's shiny and appealing at first glance . When you hop in and drive round for a while you find it's rotten at the core. You've been sold a lemon with no return policy. All you can do is scrap it and count your losses. There are a full range of the religions of the god of Abraham to choose from at showrooms in your area.

[@condorboss3339]

The bodywork may be different, but it's the same crappy engine under the hood.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

@@condorboss3339 Thank you.

[@c.k.8412]

I always ask them why they pray. Prayers more often than not, are offered up by people not experiencing joy in their lives. Imploring god to change something in their lives that he already knew was going to happen and is quite alright with it happening. Kind of pompous to think god would alter his plans for someone he'd already chosen to have that particular experience. The circularity of it all is...dizzying.

[@dougt7580]

You know for being all- somethings or other, Mike's god has a really low success rate at getting what it wants and successfully solving problems.

[@markgordon5266]

Highly recommended song: Hellbound Train by Savoy Brown...very old goody. edit: KZbin live version has the best sound.

[@richarddeese1087]

Eventually you'll understand... or else (I guess). tavi.

[@weldabar]

The mythical god is like an engineer who designed a train that would derail, knew that it would derail, but had it built despite this. Why create a person, knowing that you (god) would have to torture them forever -- unless you really enjoy torturing people?

[@MetaKnight964]

Humans have free will to do good or bad. Also idiot hell is a choice, no one is sent there.

[@Tat011]

@@MetaKnight964 threatening torture to get someone to act a certain way is coercion which is literally illegal and obviously hampers free choice but ok.

[@AssassinoJake]

​@@MetaKnight964wouldn't it be funny if you ended up in another religion's hell because you believed the wrong story to be true? Would you say you chose that hell? I don't think you would.

[@trevorlunn8442]

[01:40] "The god of evangenital Christianity..." sounded like a dick move. However, by the time you addressed Winger's limp theology I realised it was one of those hermeneutic justified presupposition thingies.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

to me the logic is that heaven is actually the torture, that satan left cos it was horrible having to suck on god's toes all day every day, and hell is actually the fun palace we atheists would prefer, i wouldn't even want to go to heaven, the people who want to be there are insufferable bores obsessed with worship, if i'm going to live forever i'd like to carry on much the same as i have for the last 70 years, doing art, doing new things, going to new places - meeting new people. heaven seems to be heroine, if it's that "good" there must be a catch.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

Much less all the unborn fetuses underfoot. _shudder!_

[@marcdc6809]

imagine spending eternity with Mike Winger, WLC, Frank Turek and the conscious designer of cholera... I'd rather just be switched off...

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@marcdc6809 100%

[@brunozeigerts6379]

'Heaven... I'm in heaven/ and you aren't ... so it sucks to be you'... (doesn't rhyme or fit the melody... sue me.)

[@misterdeity]

A nobel effort to be sure!

[@ElevenBird]

I hope you are publishing on ⏰️ Brother BriBri

[@seedhound]

Thank you.

[@darthvirgin7157]

as far as MOB Bosses go....Vito Corleone would be a better god than the bible god.

[@misterdeity]

Yeah! At least he loved his kids and was good to THEM.

[@morganhess6876]

​@misterdeity Not to mention he always gave proof of his existence and willingness to fuck you up if you displeased him, God doesn't even play that fair.

[@drlegendre]

Vito was a brute, but he was overtly reasonable and didn't go around randomly torturing & killing anyone who didn't agree with his worldview.

[@johnelliott5859]

The biblical god, the all perfect being initiated a plan where billions would be condemned to eternal torment. The reality of that knowledge makes worshiping him immoral. Most christians cannot accept that reality however, even though it is a necessary consequence of their beliefs.

[@misterdeity]

Yes, I wrap up with that in Part II.

[@morganhess6876]

👏👏👏

[@thj9760]

A Christ against humanity?