Who Was Jack Skellington BEFORE He Died?: Disney Theory

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Isaac Carlson

Isaac Carlson

6 жыл бұрын

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Isaac theorizes on Jack's life before dying and becoming the Pumpkin King!
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In the Nightmare Before Christmas, all of the monsters come together to celebrate Halloween. Leading these monsters of course is the scariest among them: the Pumpkin King Jack Skellington. Jack is an animated skeleton who has certain abilities which he explains is dead. The most horrifying creature in Halloween Town at some point was alive. At some point Jack Skellington was a human being living outside of Halloween Town, and today we are going to try to figure who he was.
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@lieslperry72
@lieslperry72 5 жыл бұрын
Anyone else having an audio problem where it cuts out from 4:39-4:49??
@brandythebonnie1234
@brandythebonnie1234 5 жыл бұрын
Yesss
@HelloKodi
@HelloKodi 5 жыл бұрын
Ya
@adamromano6329
@adamromano6329 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@Scriblyn
@Scriblyn 5 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@johnkaiser1298
@johnkaiser1298 5 жыл бұрын
Yea
@geesusway3005
@geesusway3005 5 жыл бұрын
I think Jack was actually burned at the stake. I mean he's a skeleton(when someone was burned to death all that was left was bones), he has no idea that a modern Christmas is(this happened before the 1800's) and when he enters he's literally burning on fire. Soo ... Idk just an idea
@justanamezain3602
@justanamezain3602 5 жыл бұрын
But wouldn't his bones the charred?
@z_lovevlogs9736
@z_lovevlogs9736 4 жыл бұрын
@@justanamezain3602 actually the chard bones would have end up flakeing of revealing the second layer plus it's a fictional movie
@justanamezain3602
@justanamezain3602 4 жыл бұрын
@@z_lovevlogs9736 thank you.
@natashahartlen5411
@natashahartlen5411 4 жыл бұрын
Good theory but we all turn to bones after the flesh decays for a while. Just saying
@penguin-IDK
@penguin-IDK 4 жыл бұрын
@@natashahartlen5411 movie magic
@graysontanoue5291
@graysontanoue5291 3 жыл бұрын
"And since I am dead, I can take off my head, to recite Shakespirian quotation, no animal or man, can SCREAM as i can, with the fury of my re-ci-tations."💀💀💀💀
@wonka84
@wonka84 2 жыл бұрын
"But who here would ever understand that the pumpkin king, with his skeleton grin would tire of his crown, if they ever understood....he'd give it all up, if he only could?"
@amberlaughlin3518
@amberlaughlin3518 2 жыл бұрын
@@wonka84 even he doesn't want to be who he is. I can relate.
@verenaamaris804
@verenaamaris804 2 жыл бұрын
@@amberlaughlin3518 right there with ya.
@megalisa830bright6
@megalisa830bright6 2 жыл бұрын
lol! Yeah! I love that verse of 'Jack's Lament'! ^_^
@graysontanoue5291
@graysontanoue5291 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankgrimes7388 auto correct is a problem
@rmt1989ify
@rmt1989ify 2 жыл бұрын
The headless horseman seemed too violent to be Jack. Yes the characters Halloweentown seemed to glory in gore and death but mainly because it's a good way to scare people. Scaring people is what they're all about but not necessarily actually harming them. Remember in "This is Halloween" it says "tender lumpings everywhere, life's no fun without a good scare. THAT'S OUR JOB BUT WE'RE NOT MEAN, IN OUR TOWN OF HALLOWEEN" And while many of the toys jack gave out did chase and terrorize the kids, they didn't actually hurt anyone even if they had the chance (remember the giant snake swallowing the presents and the Christmas tree, but never tried to attack the child.) So, no I don't think Jack was ever a soldier. Jack scared people in a fun way. Which is what Halloween is about. He just didn't understand that Christmas is about a different kind of fun. I don't think Jack was ever actually a living human. If anything he could be called the spirit of Halloween. References to him being dead are not meant to be taken at face value. It's just part of him being a scary figure. The only one in Halloweentown who could be considered dangerous or actually "mean" was Oogie Boogie, and Jack obviously hated him and didn't trust him right from the start.
@edgardeitz2784
@edgardeitz2784 2 жыл бұрын
THAT'S why I support the theory that Jack is really Ichabod Crane...
@Nightcore-336
@Nightcore-336 2 жыл бұрын
@@edgardeitz2784 same
@saur2244
@saur2244 2 жыл бұрын
thats why he said jack may have been drafted and didnt want to fight . are you assuming that every soldier loves killing ?
@rmt1989ify
@rmt1989ify 2 жыл бұрын
@saur2244 I specifically said I did not think Jack could have been the headless horseman. The horseman was a spectre devoted to revenge, to taking the heads of others as recompense for the loss of his own head. Obviously a very violent goal I did not say anything about all soldiers loving killing. The fact is there is nothing to suggest Jack or any of the residents of Halloweentown were human. As I stated I believe Jack is the spirit of Halloween. Basically he came into being as the holiday of Halloween developed, it's the customs and traditions of Halloween that make Jack what he is. "The Pumpkin King of Halloween" just as it's the customs and traditions of Christmas that make Santa Claus what he is, or the Easter Bunny what he is. They exist solely because those holidays exist. Trying to give them human origins just seems pointless.
@tayloranderson7547
@tayloranderson7547 Жыл бұрын
And didn't trust him right from the start
@kendallcasperson4518
@kendallcasperson4518 5 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else’s sound turn off at 4:40
@jjr2042
@jjr2042 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@mimismith2978
@mimismith2978 5 жыл бұрын
But what did he say
@pavzcs7653
@pavzcs7653 5 жыл бұрын
yes
@pavzcs7653
@pavzcs7653 5 жыл бұрын
@@mimismith2978 he says "with a wave of my hand and a well placed moan I have swept the very bravest off their feet"
@brigionnirevere1499
@brigionnirevere1499 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@SkaylzTV
@SkaylzTV 4 жыл бұрын
He was a pirate. He appears in the shipwreck in James And The Giant Peach
@cricket4517
@cricket4517 4 жыл бұрын
UglyStewie you are right I saw him
@niraishere771
@niraishere771 4 жыл бұрын
Yep 👌
@bernabeque7567
@bernabeque7567 4 жыл бұрын
Fuq
@cuteygirlofficial_yt5554
@cuteygirlofficial_yt5554 4 жыл бұрын
You are right I saw him too.
@torazely
@torazely 4 жыл бұрын
he was a pirate... named Jack... we all thinking the same thing?
@wolfofmercury7518
@wolfofmercury7518 3 жыл бұрын
I think Jack knew what Christmas was when he was human because he mentioned it feeling like a memory long since past or something, I just don’t think he remembers much of his life beforehand
@thegamingillustrator
@thegamingillustrator 3 жыл бұрын
i think this kind of fits his layment. "Although carving a Jack-’o-lantern is a seasonal tradition today, this was not always the case. The practice of carving a Jack-o’-lantern originates in the Irish myth of stingy Jack. Stingy Jack later became Jack of the Lantern. According to his myth, Jack tricked the Devil. Then he made the Devil promise that he would not come for his soul when he died. When Jack did die, as the legend goes, God wouldn’t allow Jack into heaven. And neither, after being tricked, would the Devil permit him into hell. Instead, Jack’s soul was doomed to wander the earth with only a burning coal in his lantern to light the way. This legend gave birth to the modern-day Jack-o’-lantern. First people carved beets and gourds in the form of Jack’s lantern, as these were more widely available in the British Isles. Then as people moved to North America where pumpkins are more readily available, pumpkins became the most popular carving choice."
@motherrabbit4991
@motherrabbit4991 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was going to comment similar.
@megalisa830bright6
@megalisa830bright6 2 жыл бұрын
lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D
@charity9660
@charity9660 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what they said on the grim adventures of billy and Mandy.
@thegamingillustrator
@thegamingillustrator 2 жыл бұрын
@@charity9660 it's because they took vague or rarely heard of folk lore for their plots. Jack-o' lantern being one of them.
@thegamingillustrator
@thegamingillustrator 2 жыл бұрын
@@megalisa830bright6 do you have any idea how much research into folklore went into the nightmare before christmas? each character was based off some sort of folklore, death, or historically significant creature from folklore. heck, jack's full name is jack skellington, the pumpkin king. which was one of jack-o' lantern's titles within legends. plus, the song about jack's past is almost entirely the full description about jack-o' lantern's folklore.
@hisokasmannequinhead7131
@hisokasmannequinhead7131 4 жыл бұрын
To many theories in this comment section I feel stupid for knowing nothing
@annabourbon
@annabourbon 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment made me smile... ☺️
@priagp
@priagp 4 жыл бұрын
Same here brother
@jaydenthrowaway7437
@jaydenthrowaway7437 3 жыл бұрын
Jack skeleton is grinch skeleton
@purpleisraiyen
@purpleisraiyen 3 жыл бұрын
underrated comment ngl
@isabellapina811
@isabellapina811 3 жыл бұрын
@Sheila Gravely i don't think u should say that because lots of ppl r thankful for him making this or else we wouldn't know -_-
@IC4N7C
@IC4N7C 4 жыл бұрын
He could be Stingy Jack. He was a trickster who tricked the devil, and was eternally in limbo. He used a hollowed out turnip to light his way.
@Rakotino
@Rakotino 4 жыл бұрын
I agree
@iluvfour
@iluvfour 4 жыл бұрын
I also agree because Jack used a pumpkin instead of his head occasionally which is a jack-o-lantern AND Stingy Jack has many names one of which was “Jack of the Lantern”
@jamlym4974
@jamlym4974 3 жыл бұрын
And then he found Halloween Town and it became his home. Then he eventually lost his memory of finding it which is why he doesn’t recognize the doors later.
@gracebryant3746
@gracebryant3746 3 жыл бұрын
Yes this IS what he is
@ariwolf8086
@ariwolf8086 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, he doesn't have a soul, so he have to stay in the halloween town, and Sally too, bc she wasn't even human, but a creation, she was made, so she doesn't have a soul, even if she was not a full doll, but a human bring back to life, she would still not be a ful human, but a cursed one, like the jack, who tricked the devil. So her master tricked the death. So in conclusion Jack is Jack o'lantern and Sally is a Frankenstein creation, so both aren't human anymore, and don't have soul. So both of them must stay in the halloween town, bc they aren't living, so they can't stay in the human world, and go to the hell either bc they don't have a soul. So in the song when sally and jack sing, they are word 'we're meant to be'' because they cannot, live and die. So there made for each other. In the halloween town, they will stay with each other forever. Sorry for my bad english, and this is my theory. And like the headless horse man, and jack, the are the same, o'lantern seek for his soul, and horseman for his head, why is that? because people belive that soul was in the head, not in the heart.
@morgantarot3351
@morgantarot3351 2 жыл бұрын
I never considered that Jack was alive before becoming a part of Halloween town. I thought he just came into existance there. The reason I always thought that is because the characters of Halloween town have no concept of love or happiness. They only know how to scare people which makes it seem like they were all born there and that's all they know. The reason why the ending is so sweet is because despite them all living in a loveless world, Jack and Sally finally realise what they were missing and that is love.
@megalisa830bright6
@megalisa830bright6 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Exactly! I like to think that Halloween Town is where the creatures all originated from, and Halloween is all that they know about! ^_^ I think that's why Jack never knew about the other holidays, because they would all stay in their own separate Towns! :D
@bernardwalker3060
@bernardwalker3060 2 жыл бұрын
Hello
@chrissyb.4816
@chrissyb.4816 3 жыл бұрын
He COULD be from the legend of Sleepy Hollow, but not the headless horseman! I think he is... Ichabod Crane...look he's tall lanky, the REAL life Ichabod was an actual solider in a war and it looks like Jack is dressed in soldier attire in one scene. The theory of him being burned could be true, if you watch or have read the legend of sleepy hollow, a flaming pumpkin head is thrown at Ichabod, where it hits him...and then he is never seen or heard of again. Maybe that's what the whole first scene of him being a pumpkin/scarecrow being lit on fire could be in correlation too, which is him being burned by the pumpkin head. Maybe a pumpkin in flames could have killed him, that’s where his "Pumpkin King" name came from. There is also a scene where Jack sings “Well since I am dead I can take off my head, to recite Shakespearean quotations” him being able to dislodge his head, could be a nod to the headless horseman possibly cutting it off after killing him? It makes sense kind of lol idk, just my theory.
@wysteriaz
@wysteriaz 3 жыл бұрын
Very amazed. Hmm.
@quinn._.2046
@quinn._.2046 3 жыл бұрын
yea that is aalso reasonable
@bethclapton3647
@bethclapton3647 3 жыл бұрын
That is a rly good theory thanks
@AmySorrellMusic
@AmySorrellMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I paused the video to really read your comment. I am intrigued. I think you're on to something. Ooh! Fun! Happy Halloween! 🎃
@Burning_Dwarf
@Burning_Dwarf 3 жыл бұрын
Better theory than the one in the video
@alyrosales1534
@alyrosales1534 6 жыл бұрын
There is actually a theory that Tim Burton meant for Frankenweenie, The Corpse Bride, and The Nightmare Before Christmas to be one story. One reason is because he said “Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. Not necessarily in that order.” Frankenweenie came out in 2012, The Corpse Bride came out in 2005, and The Nightmare Before Christmas came out in 1993. Another reason to believe this is that in Frankenweenie, a boy’s beloved dog dies and he tries to bring him back to life. In The Corpse Bride, Victor receives a gift from Emily (the Corpse Bride) which is the dead version of Victor’s beloved dog, which died when he was a kid. In The Nightmare Before Christmas Jack has his dog which has the same facial structure as the dead version of Victor’s dog in The Corpse Bride. But think what you want, it is just what I believe.
@hazel-bf8vo
@hazel-bf8vo 6 жыл бұрын
Wow nice theory 👏🏽
@sisterzoloft
@sisterzoloft 6 жыл бұрын
That's what I always thought
@rockybarnes4906
@rockybarnes4906 6 жыл бұрын
Frankenweenie came out before Nightmare Before Christmas. The original was released in 1984.
@quiescentsoul9186
@quiescentsoul9186 6 жыл бұрын
Then if jack skellington is victor.... Could he be still searching for the bride?
@kmarie1331
@kmarie1331 6 жыл бұрын
Alyssa Brianna Rosales wow. Deep. But it makes sense
@kateallan6992
@kateallan6992 4 жыл бұрын
If Jack was the headless horseman and the horseman got hit with a cannonball, wouldn't Jack's skull be caved in? Just a theory...
@utubercouchvegetable2172
@utubercouchvegetable2172 3 жыл бұрын
No a cannonball would swiftly sweep a head from a neck like croquet.
@liezelbickle9430
@liezelbickle9430 3 жыл бұрын
To answer your question, yes. I have read about the damage done by cannonball and i can tell you that there wouldn't be much of anything left of anyone that got hit with one of them. Also if a cannonball hit someone straight in the face their head would be completely destroyed.
@tayloranderson7547
@tayloranderson7547 3 жыл бұрын
If jack was the headless horsemen and the horsemen get hit with a conball, Wouldn't jack skull be carved in? Just a thorey.
@thechosenone3163
@thechosenone3163 3 жыл бұрын
A movie theory
@wysteriaz
@wysteriaz 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah..
@dancingdilophosaurus651
@dancingdilophosaurus651 2 жыл бұрын
Jack was the grinch. The dog, the fondness for Christmas, it all adds up
@greenhowie
@greenhowie 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god he killed every single one of them
@charity9660
@charity9660 2 жыл бұрын
@@greenhowie lmfaoooo
@Electricity_artz
@Electricity_artz 2 жыл бұрын
My theory : In the song jack sings in the beginning where he says “ to a man in Kentucky I’m mr unlucky “ which probably meant he was a man who lived in Kentucky and he had a run in with bad luck . And since he never heard of Christmas , like in this video , he was to have lived in the late 1800s , and his attire , which is a suit with what looks like a bow tie , he was maybe going to a formal event , and since he is a skeleton he may have drove there since cars were introduced in the later 1800s and somehow got into a crash , the car may have over heated or caused both to happen , which he probably set him on fire and burned him alive , and he is freakishly tall , so he may have been in a car that he could be able to fit in , which would need a certain amount of fuel , leading to him being soaked and then caught aflame , leading to his skin being burned away , eventually leading to his death, probably due to his wounds getting infected . I’m probably totally wrong , that’s just my theory .
@target9959
@target9959 6 жыл бұрын
I just thought that Victor from Frankenweenie was Victor from the Corpse Bride and died to become jack. This also fits with Tim's quote, "Every story has a beginning, middle, and end. Not necessarily in that order." - Tim Burton
@ronnierodriguez7578
@ronnierodriguez7578 6 жыл бұрын
Unicorn Sparkle Pants Victor from Frankenweenie got his name from Victor Frankenstein. Plus how are you raised in modern America but an adult in old England?
@novadream1454
@novadream1454 6 жыл бұрын
Unicorn Sparkle Pants Frankenweenie is during the 1950’s the corpse bride was late 1800’s
@humangirl2122
@humangirl2122 6 жыл бұрын
alot of American family's have a foreign heritage.
@andrears29
@andrears29 6 жыл бұрын
But Tims already they had no connection
@Tessa101GamingGirl
@Tessa101GamingGirl 6 жыл бұрын
This was proven to be true, he's one of the worst theorists out there
@iyannasapp
@iyannasapp 5 жыл бұрын
At 4:39 the clip mutes until 4:49 for me? Is that happening to anyone else too?
@cactuscrab2615
@cactuscrab2615 5 жыл бұрын
Actully, me too
@scp--297
@scp--297 5 жыл бұрын
Same.
@emmanueltorres6877
@emmanueltorres6877 5 жыл бұрын
Every one
@Pyro_Who
@Pyro_Who 5 жыл бұрын
Also me
@chiper2022
@chiper2022 5 жыл бұрын
Happen to me
@bellaparkes1749
@bellaparkes1749 3 жыл бұрын
I think this connection to the Headless Horseman is interesting considering Tim Burton also directed Sleep Hollow which is shaped around this story too and also further connecting Tim's films together.
@silicabeastmaster1175
@silicabeastmaster1175 3 жыл бұрын
Jack likes to scare people not kill them. And as he makes no mention of ever losing his head for an extended period I find your theory very unbelievable. They don't even have the same body types. Could it be that Jack is just quite simply Jack. Burton himself has already disclosed that "Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. But no one says you have to write them in that order.". This references Frankenweenie and Corpse Bride as being part of The Nightmare Before Christmas.
@therandomguy1872
@therandomguy1872 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't jack claim to be well known through England and france? Edit: I don't know what to do with this information I just thought to point it out
@Idk-jm1hj
@Idk-jm1hj 4 жыл бұрын
Also he's known to one guy in Kentucky.
@joegaming029
@joegaming029 4 жыл бұрын
Could he be Jack The Ripper?
@saiyanelite338
@saiyanelite338 4 жыл бұрын
The heshens were allies of England and enemy's of France who were allies the colony's. Thus be was notorious in England and France.
@michaelbrown4420
@michaelbrown4420 4 жыл бұрын
And unlucky to a guy in Kentucky who saw his head get blown off. But the problem is a cannon ball to the head would obliterate the skull.
@jodiefindlay382
@jodiefindlay382 4 жыл бұрын
He's English look at the suit like an anorexic teddy boy
@ilikememes7332
@ilikememes7332 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, the sound cuts out, there’s no need for a million comments 😂❤️
@barnabyjjones2348
@barnabyjjones2348 5 жыл бұрын
I Like memes ikr
@am_goose
@am_goose 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. This is the first comment NOT giving a time stamp
@penguin-IDK
@penguin-IDK 4 жыл бұрын
ikr
@Tamhero04
@Tamhero04 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was only me
@peierple
@peierple 4 жыл бұрын
Yet yours is one of those comments!
@jawthetransformer1093
@jawthetransformer1093 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing to kinda support the theory is when jack is being carried out in the opening scenes of nightmare before Christmas, he’s on a horse with a pumpkin for a head. Another thing is during this scene he swallows the fire, lighting himself on fire, to which the headless horseman has a pumpkin light on fire,
@CarlyCatharsis
@CarlyCatharsis 2 жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT: HE DOES Have The Bone Structure & Height Of Ichabod Crane & Burton DID Make His OWN Version Of "SleepyHollow" Which SHOWS That He Obviously DID Have An Affinity For The Irving Story! In-Fact; You See Jack Constantly Studying/Reading Books & Even TEACHING The Residents About The Customs Of The Seasons!
@kerryann9851
@kerryann9851 6 жыл бұрын
Jack doesn’t know what snow is... hence the song “What’s This?!” Plus, if you watch James & the Giant Peach - remember the sunken pirate ship that shows Jack as a dead pirate captain?
@Ashfer2
@Ashfer2 6 жыл бұрын
Yet suddenly a little bit later in the song he says they're throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads. It would make more sense for him to know what snow is if they go around different places and scare people, some of those are most likely covered in snow in October.
@Ashfer2
@Ashfer2 6 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention he also eats the snow at the beginning. Is that something people do when they first see it?, assume it can be eaten? (may have been a random director choice since it's not part of the song)Though at the very end the other residents of Halloween town are confused and think it's a Christmas thing so I don't know there's a lot of mixed signals here.
@rox-13
@rox-13 6 жыл бұрын
+Ashfer2 you can put maple syrup on snow and eat it like candy. They used to do it back in the day.
@Ashfer2
@Ashfer2 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm, that sounds interesting, never tried it with flavorings. Yeah, I've eaten snow before too lol. I meant that if he didn't know what it was why would he randomly assume he should eat it?
@gieromguy_does_nothing_pro8458
@gieromguy_does_nothing_pro8458 6 жыл бұрын
He... Is... *CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW*
@donnythompson408
@donnythompson408 4 жыл бұрын
If Jack had been the Headless Horseman, who was a Hessian soldier, he would have a German accent, as Hessians were german soldiers and mercenaries. If Jack was once alive, he was most likely “Stingy Jack”, who was a practical joker of Celtic folklore, and who carried a carved out turnip or gourd with a candle inside to light his path and find his way around the countryside at night to scare and play mean jokes on people.
@brianl8481
@brianl8481 3 жыл бұрын
@Orange Crewmate Orange is sus.
@andrewwolf3967
@andrewwolf3967 3 жыл бұрын
And being around different people and culters for centuries wouldn't get rid of it? Edit:just to clarify I mean tge accent
@megalisa830bright6
@megalisa830bright6 2 жыл бұрын
lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D
@greenhowie
@greenhowie 2 жыл бұрын
What about Springheel Jack? Very popular Victorian era cryptid.
@ardellapurcell4433
@ardellapurcell4433 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old post, but I like this theory the most! When I was watching, I even thought to myself: "A Hessian soldier celebrating an Irish holiday?" I think your theory fits the best of the ones I have read.
@patrickmurphy6775
@patrickmurphy6775 2 жыл бұрын
You have done a lot of work on this subject. I am impressed with your dedication. Great job!
@aspiringjoker2883
@aspiringjoker2883 3 жыл бұрын
Tim Burton has his own adaptation of "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." I guess this checks out for the larger Burtonverse.
@lilclownkitty1571
@lilclownkitty1571 6 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early jack was alive
@lunarian9877
@lunarian9877 6 жыл бұрын
crissel mendoza 😂
@IsaacCarlson
@IsaacCarlson 6 жыл бұрын
Well played :D
@uwu-wi8qh
@uwu-wi8qh 6 жыл бұрын
crissel mendoza lol
@SpeedyJoeyy
@SpeedyJoeyy 6 жыл бұрын
Clever, very clever indeed.
@licantropavampiresa
@licantropavampiresa 6 жыл бұрын
What if Jack Skellington was Ichabod Crane? He was a teacher (smart),has a fondness for the theatre at least singing , know how to be charming and their complexion are similar. Also the way Ichabod die...Burned by an enchanted JACK o lantern...Well...burned corpse only bones remains and because of the way he die Pumking King
@andreaburak4718
@andreaburak4718 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@noisyphilosopherkrk522
@noisyphilosopherkrk522 6 жыл бұрын
licantropavampiresa Unfortunately it makes the skeleton black as coal if it does go to the bone
@IsaacCarlson
@IsaacCarlson 6 жыл бұрын
Really interesting idea!
@beckysabo9651
@beckysabo9651 6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too
@licantropavampiresa
@licantropavampiresa 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you¡¡¡
@fantasyeve87
@fantasyeve87 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting theory!! I can’t say that he was ever the Headless horseman though bc it’s obvious the horseman is more of the murdering sort and Jack just likes to strike fear. Maybe he murdered people when he was alive but it doesn’t seem to be his key way of striking fear like the horseman. Hmmmmm….
@blxsom6749
@blxsom6749 2 жыл бұрын
OMG I have been looking for this forever thank you for making this!!
@blxsom6749
@blxsom6749 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a theory on dark shadows LMAO or corpse bride I also wanna see Edward Scissorhands!!
@wyatt9405
@wyatt9405 5 жыл бұрын
Theory:Jack as a human used to be .... Jack from the titanic
@sage-yj4ko
@sage-yj4ko 4 жыл бұрын
O M G SISTER
@user-rq6qx8uc7r
@user-rq6qx8uc7r 4 жыл бұрын
OOOOOOOOO
@kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151
@kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151 4 жыл бұрын
Then by that point he should’ve known what Christmas was since the Titanic sank in 1912 taking over a thousand passengers and crew with her.
@Queen_O_Raccoon
@Queen_O_Raccoon 4 жыл бұрын
Don't let go Jack
@floragriffin4590
@floragriffin4590 4 жыл бұрын
I think Jack Skellington was actually Dr. Jack Griffin, The Invisible Man! Dr. Jack Griffin conducted experiments, and so does Jack Skellington.
@xsilly9503
@xsilly9503 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe Jack didn't know about Christmas because they lose all their memories when they die. That would explain why Jack feels lost or doesn't know his true feelings. It is possible that they (the folk of Halloween Town) "raised" him to be who he was.
@AuraRoseCats
@AuraRoseCats 6 жыл бұрын
Xsilly I think the same thing.
@fox7378
@fox7378 6 жыл бұрын
He's not necessarily unsure because of memories xD After all, he never regained anything but perspective and was content again at the end.
@Namron9797
@Namron9797 6 жыл бұрын
Because undead skeleton monsters hell-bent on scaring the living learn Shakespearean quotations...
@256NatLiz
@256NatLiz 6 жыл бұрын
I've thought about this as well. Most notable in the "What Does It Mean?" song, where Jack specifically says, "like a memory long since past." Could he be alluding to the fact that even he has no memory of his life before he died?
@notepad7871
@notepad7871 6 жыл бұрын
Xsilly It IS a possibility!
@JoanDeArtemisMDiv
@JoanDeArtemisMDiv 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I am so glad I found this today!
@Kidfun89
@Kidfun89 2 жыл бұрын
You’re quite the detective 🕵️‍♂️ good job tho ❤️ Exploring the possibilities was quite fun to follow with u
@julitzamatos2223
@julitzamatos2223 5 жыл бұрын
Tim Burton himself said "same story just not in order". He was referring to Frankenweenie, Corpse Bride, and Nightmare Before Christmas. That was his way of saying both Victor's are the same and in death he became Jack.
@selenacotie7290
@selenacotie7290 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Victor has an accent, Jack doesn't.
@cryoblaster8371
@cryoblaster8371 5 жыл бұрын
And the way it works is different
@DakotarWolf
@DakotarWolf 5 жыл бұрын
And also Burton said Jack was just some guy buried in a pumpkin patch
@cindyhellam3998
@cindyhellam3998 5 жыл бұрын
he acully he was bernt alive
@imlonelypleasehelp5443
@imlonelypleasehelp5443 5 жыл бұрын
Julitza Matos I think this whole video is dumb and very loosely connected anyways
@ZedanB
@ZedanB 4 жыл бұрын
I've always had a fan theory that Jack Skellington was a Vaudevillian/stage actor before his death: He has an incredible stage presence He can perform flawlessly Skilled musician and singer
@tayloranderson7547
@tayloranderson7547 Жыл бұрын
Jack skeleton was a Vadevillian/ stage actor before his death: he he can perform flawlessly skilled musicians and singer
@markgrayson772
@markgrayson772 Жыл бұрын
Oh hell nah he was a pirate lmaoo
@-m00d-
@-m00d- 7 ай бұрын
“To recreate Shakespearean quotations!”
@complex2live
@complex2live Жыл бұрын
You are the new MatPat sir. I love this. Even though I have never seen Ichabod and Mr. Toad, thus makes way too much sense. Kudos to you
@zelpazz
@zelpazz 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 are we sure about that though? Jack's fascination for christmas could also be a lost memory from his life. Seeing this christmas land lightened something up inside of Jack and he felt a connection to it, a connection to his human self.
@benbittinger9789
@benbittinger9789 4 жыл бұрын
Alternate theory: Jack is Ichabod Crane himself. They have similar body structures and Ichabod could have started scaring out of revenge because of what Abraham Van Brunt did. Also, he lived in the 1700s and was said by some women of the town upon his disappearance to have been "spirited away by supernatural means."
@ERJones-fd6oh
@ERJones-fd6oh 3 жыл бұрын
that's brilliant, a really clever twist there. A man who in mortal life was ruled by fears since Ichabod was very superstitious becoming the King of fright after the most terrifying experience of his life. pure genius
@ladyvincenza
@ladyvincenza 3 жыл бұрын
Plus this would have to dovetail into Johnny Depp's portrayal of Ichabod Crane in Sleepy Hollow. Sounds good to me!
@jacquelinelovell2073
@jacquelinelovell2073 2 жыл бұрын
i do agree that jack was Ichabod Crane , when Ichabod Crane died he changed his name to jack
@katx9697
@katx9697 2 жыл бұрын
Headless horseman wasn't looking for a head but a head, but an heir.
@kalvin187douglas
@kalvin187douglas 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacquelinelovell2073 whoa really
@noticemebug945
@noticemebug945 4 жыл бұрын
Isaac: Jack skellington is the scariest creature alive! Slenderman: Hold my child
@mattycraig1544
@mattycraig1544 3 жыл бұрын
King ghidorah: nah
@WAFFLE_BIRD4
@WAFFLE_BIRD4 2 жыл бұрын
Siren head "hold my radio signal"
@greenhowie
@greenhowie 2 жыл бұрын
Jeff Bezos : "I own everything you love and can take it away on a whim"
@bruh-js7tz
@bruh-js7tz 2 жыл бұрын
slenderman isn’t scary though. he’s just a faceless, slender man with black tentacle-… wait 😳
@jeydel1046
@jeydel1046 2 жыл бұрын
For real
@gordonramsay1691
@gordonramsay1691 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure Jack was actually burned alive
@blacklaluna8270
@blacklaluna8270 2 жыл бұрын
love your channel !!!
@RandomPerson-vs6pc
@RandomPerson-vs6pc 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: every character isn’t actually animated.. the creators of “The Nightmare Before Christmas” actually made clay models of each character,But they didn’t just got to stop there. They had to made hundred of different face expressions so it could look like they’re talking but they also had to move the characters. It took about an entire WEEK to just make a minute of the film!
@goroboys7841
@goroboys7841 5 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@ejpool4104
@ejpool4104 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's called a stop motion film. Most people know that.
@tweetiedoesntchirp
@tweetiedoesntchirp 5 жыл бұрын
Sooo smn like Coraline...
@silverstar1178
@silverstar1178 5 жыл бұрын
claymation (stop-motion) is a form of animation.
@jesse9958
@jesse9958 5 жыл бұрын
Noooo
@cliffordollis5878
@cliffordollis5878 4 жыл бұрын
Jack’s backstory is in James and the Giant Peach. He was a pirate captain (great leader and fighter like you said) back in the 1600s who loved to scare people. Jack said “to have died in Kentucky I’m Mr. unlucky and I’m known throughout England and France.” He sailed throughout Europe looting ships abs eventually got lost in Antartica where his ship sunk and his whole crew died. Antarctica like Kentucky is basically in the middle of nowhere (no offense to anyone). Jack’s crew kicked him out after the battle with Mr. Centipede and he decided to become a good guy. He learned how to make the magic green things that grew the Giant Peach and brought him back from the dead. He used them to bring other dead people back including the Mayor and Dr. Finkelstien. If you think about it, Jack highjacked another holiday much like pirates would highjack other ships.
@Jason49110
@Jason49110 4 ай бұрын
has this been confirmed?
@juliagulia2438
@juliagulia2438 2 жыл бұрын
Love your ideas!
@evanlight2145
@evanlight2145 3 жыл бұрын
I'm lucky to find this because I wanted to know so bad so thank you for making this
@mostar1219
@mostar1219 6 жыл бұрын
But, hey, that's just a theory
@wintren101
@wintren101 6 жыл бұрын
A game theory.
@dianaimations2612
@dianaimations2612 6 жыл бұрын
wintern101 a film theory
@artemis5300
@artemis5300 6 жыл бұрын
A film theory and.... cut
@MisterJster
@MisterJster 6 жыл бұрын
A GAMMMMMEEE THEORY
@freyajones2166
@freyajones2166 6 жыл бұрын
a FILM THEORY... aand cut.
@roseal-sawmahi9358
@roseal-sawmahi9358 4 жыл бұрын
The Nightmare Before Christmas has been one of my favorite movie since it came out. I never would have contemplated Jack's backstory. I like that you did and explored it into details. Neat video. Thanks for the entertainment
@bernardwalker3060
@bernardwalker3060 2 жыл бұрын
Hello
@roseal-sawmahi9358
@roseal-sawmahi9358 2 жыл бұрын
@@bernardwalker3060 hiya
@bernardwalker3060
@bernardwalker3060 2 жыл бұрын
@@roseal-sawmahi9358 hello
@bernardwalker3060
@bernardwalker3060 2 жыл бұрын
What part of the world are you from
@roseal-sawmahi9358
@roseal-sawmahi9358 2 жыл бұрын
The US
@90139
@90139 3 жыл бұрын
My theory is that Jack was originally Ichod crane. He has the same shape. Long thin and tall. I feel that the night the Headless horseman attacked him he was then cursed to be the Halloween king just like the Santa Clause can be transferred to another.
@lilay1841
@lilay1841 3 жыл бұрын
ya but why would his name be jack lol, like why would ichabod get his name changed after he died
@90139
@90139 3 жыл бұрын
@@lilay1841 Causes Ichod Skelton doesn't sound good.
@betelgeuseredstone9082
@betelgeuseredstone9082 2 жыл бұрын
I already figured it out. Jack Skellington was born sometime before Victor & Victoria. Victor & Victoria, might have witnessed a crime and left, and had to changed their own names. Their own surname have to changed to Skellington, sometime after they both had kids of their own. One of the kids names were Jack, as in Jack Skellington. That we known, and he used to celebrate Christmas. Something went wrongfully when Jack was still young, they all couldn’t celebrate Christmas not anymore. So, Jack only remembers Halloween. If you approve my theory, please comment down. And have Burton day.
@jbellehaven285
@jbellehaven285 5 жыл бұрын
Entertaining the thought of this fan theory despite the fact that long ago Tim Burton mentioned in an interview that Jack was just a guy who was murdered and buried in a pumpkin patch....If Jack had been a soldier, the idea that he was a Hessian isn't too far fetched because he mentions that he was known among England and France, and the British are the ones who press ganged Germans into the military (the Hessians.) However, he mentions dieing in Kentucky. Kentucky was neutral during the American Revolution, their main fight was with British-hired Native Americans who were paid to scalp Kentuckians and were paid based on the number of scalps they brought in. Had he been a Hessian, he'd have been fighting on the side of the British, and not many British soldiers entered Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. As stated previously, it was mostly battles against Native American mercenaries hired by the British. Jack would've been sent where he was most needed to the front lines, which were nowhere near Kentucky. The Revolutionary War wasn't in the early 1800s, either. It was 1775-1783. In keeping with the idea of the timeline based on his knowledge of Halloween but lack thereof regarding modern Christmas, and his death in Kentucky, it is much more likely that Jack was a soldier who fought for the British during the War of 1812. There are also some fan theories out there that Jack was originally based on a character from Irish folklore called Stingy Jack in regards to the origins of the Jack-O-Lantern, and the Irish did fight alongside the British against the non-British controlled Americas....IN the War of 1812. Now, to rebuke the whole thing fairly simply.....Jack in NMBC did NOT know what snow even was. However, it snows quite often in Germany, it snows in Britain but it only sticks maybe 15 days of the year presently...may have been different in the 1800s. The only place between Ireland, Britain, and Germany where it doesn't really snow is Ireland, though there are some mountains in Ireland that have snow on them during the winter...most winters in Ireland are rainy. So this suggests that Jack was most probably not a Hessian soldier and probably didn't fight in either the Revolutionary War OR the War of 1812 because he'd have experienced at least one or two snowy winters in either Britain or North America during the span of those years spent in military service. He could've been an Irish soldier who died in the War of 1812 before winter hit because the War of 1812 lasted from June 18, 1812 until February 18, 1815. So if he died early on in the war, he could've died before winter ever hit....and had he been Irish, he probably wouldn't have had much contact with snow, or very little memory of it from before he died. We do not, however, know in what year NMBC takes place (other than modern times, probably meant to reflect the 1990s) and how long Jack had already been Pumpkin King to that point. So other than his surprise at certain aspects of the Christmas holiday and traditions, we don't have a solid timeline. However the whole theory is still absolutely marvelous from a fictitious standpoint. I loved the Adventures of Ichabod Crane and Mr. Toad (1949) as it was by far one of the more creepy cartoons around during my childhood.I've also always loved the legends and lore surrounding the Headless Horseman and Sleepy Hollow. ^.^
@andrewclark7559
@andrewclark7559 5 жыл бұрын
Community Without Walls He has to know what snow is. How else would he have known to say that the children were “throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads”?
@rainnebaby9141
@rainnebaby9141 5 жыл бұрын
Your point doesn't debunk his theory friend. He even says that jack, in the possibility of being an Irish soldier, may have seen snow once or twice before but had little to no recollection of it after his death. likewise, humans retain tons of information even if we can't immediately recall it, so jack may have known snow in his lifetime and forgotten it after his death, only to then recall the vague idea of snow and snowball in the heat of his excitement upon discovering Christmas Town.
@jbellehaven285
@jbellehaven285 5 жыл бұрын
I never said that it debunked anything. Just that there were some inconsistencies with the theory historically. However it's still a fun idea to entertain. However it *does* debunk his Hessian / Headless Horseman theory if we follow the timeline he set. Jack states in one of his songs that he died in Kentucky. No Hessians died in Kentucky as far as we know in recorded history. However, several Irish soldiers may have.
@ayishalampkin5675
@ayishalampkin5675 5 жыл бұрын
All of your opinions are awesome. But Jack didn't say he died in Kentucky. He said, "To a guy in Kentucky, I'm Mr. Unlucky". Everything else was on point.
@justanotherhappyhumanist8832
@justanotherhappyhumanist8832 5 жыл бұрын
The world was colder in the 1800s, and was even going through a miniature ice age. They definitely had some snow during winter back then.
@vault9263
@vault9263 5 жыл бұрын
Who is Jack? He's the Pumpkin King..... "'Twas a long time ago, longer now than it seems In a place that perhaps you've seen in your dreams. For the story that you are about to be told Began with the holiday worlds of old. Now, you've probably wondered where holidays come from. If you haven't, I'd say it's time you begun. For holidays are the result of much fuss and hard work For the worlds that create them for us. Well, you see now, quite simply that's all that they do-- Making one unique holiday, especially for you." Asking who Jack is would be like wondering whose skin was used to make Sally, because that's what she is, a human skin, sewn together and stuffed with autumn leaves. And a mother. "With four or five skeleton children at hand, Playing strange little tunes, In their xylophone band" Jack has always been the Pumpkin King, the ruler of Halloween. But once, just for a night, he got to be Sandy Klaws.
@kikiswaik1253
@kikiswaik1253 5 жыл бұрын
vault9 nice 👍🏼
@classicstorm
@classicstorm 5 жыл бұрын
I agree...
@trinitymoon8488
@trinitymoon8488 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome but I do t get the part about the kids
@basilgamesx2422
@basilgamesx2422 5 жыл бұрын
@@trinitymoon8488 in an unused epilogue ( I think thats what it was) for the movie it was stated that Santa returned to halloween town, and saw that Jack and Sally had kids
@williambrown4138
@williambrown4138 5 жыл бұрын
You know, I can get past the fact they are practically the Undead who live in their own realm and can travel between different worlds of holidays and ours, but I can't get over the fact a Rag Doll and a Skeleton had babies...
@novepipps
@novepipps 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel
@Myriako
@Myriako 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video ! 😊💐
@socialgutbrain7774
@socialgutbrain7774 6 жыл бұрын
My headcanon is that Jack and The Headless Horseman are not the same people. I believe that The Horseman was the former king of Halloween, and Jack was his apprentice at the time. The Horseman gave Jack a bunch of war trivia and knowledge that Jack used later on in his life as the king.
@its_bri3671
@its_bri3671 6 жыл бұрын
Oakley Koelzer I like your take on the theory, but where is the head less horsemen now?
@z_lovevlogs9736
@z_lovevlogs9736 5 жыл бұрын
This conclusion is clever but illogical because in the movie it is said that Jack Skellington was burned alive
@lingmaymarcano539
@lingmaymarcano539 4 жыл бұрын
WHEN!!!
@z_lovevlogs9736
@z_lovevlogs9736 4 жыл бұрын
@@lingmaymarcano539 whatch some videos on that
@raw6668
@raw6668 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention he also stated, "To Have Died in Kentucky, I am Mister Unlucky." Suggesting he died in Kentucky, which did not exist until after the Revolutionary War.
@confusingzark
@confusingzark 4 жыл бұрын
@@raw6668 He actually says to a guy in Kentucky not to have died in Kentucky.
@leoisdeffpro5277
@leoisdeffpro5277 4 жыл бұрын
That scary
@celestemorgan606
@celestemorgan606 3 жыл бұрын
This is the video that got my to subscribe!!
@dominiquemclellan5810
@dominiquemclellan5810 3 жыл бұрын
Jack was burned to death that is why he is a skeleton,Sally got her limbs cut off that is why she is stitched together,The Boogie Man was skinned that why he where’s a bag type thing,and finally Jack’s dog drowned that why he floats.
@queenoverhaul707
@queenoverhaul707 3 жыл бұрын
I think that zero was electrified because if his bright nose
@vimoe
@vimoe 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Zero was electrocuted
@vimoe
@vimoe 3 жыл бұрын
And a theory, I think the mail man broke his neck?
@vimoe
@vimoe 3 жыл бұрын
Barrel drowned in a bathtub as you can see he had that bathtub, and it also explains why his skin is a pale, greenish blue
@vimoe
@vimoe 3 жыл бұрын
Shock and Lock both froze alive, or at least one of them
@takuknight3598
@takuknight3598 6 жыл бұрын
He might have been Jack the Ripper since they say in the song: Jack might catch you in the back.
@conniejenkins8345
@conniejenkins8345 6 жыл бұрын
CrotakuReviews this is what I believe also
@aaronlong0831
@aaronlong0831 6 жыл бұрын
Then he'd know of Christmas
@tanandalynch9441
@tanandalynch9441 6 жыл бұрын
But Miranda JTR was only known through England. France did not have a Jack the Ripper Also newer evidence seems to state Jack the ripper might actually be a mary the ripper
@rutavenckeviciene7714
@rutavenckeviciene7714 6 жыл бұрын
OH
@Jester_Jingles
@Jester_Jingles 6 жыл бұрын
Tananda Lynch source?
@cliffordollis5878
@cliffordollis5878 4 жыл бұрын
Also, Mr. Centipede calls the pirate captain a “skelington” which is Jack’s last name. He then says “jackpot” as he tries to leave with the compass. The skeleton captain makes the same exact scary face Jack does at the townmeeting.
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 2 жыл бұрын
Yes that's a Jack Skellington cameo but I personally think that if there's any lore with the Jack cameo, then Jack was either convinced to cameo in the movie or that was one of his scares lol
@undeadneko20gaming25
@undeadneko20gaming25 Жыл бұрын
If we’re talking about the James and the giant peach that’s not a Tim Burton film
@ElizabethMarin2551
@ElizabethMarin2551 Жыл бұрын
Yep o saw it the exact same one. Besides what other movie has a skeleton who looks exactly like Jack
@Anonymous30174
@Anonymous30174 Жыл бұрын
It was a cameo appearance so no he could have been burned at the stake because of his clothes that makes more sense.
@ajurassicfan9557
@ajurassicfan9557 2 жыл бұрын
One problem with that theory. In one of his songs he says he is feared in great Britain and Europe not anything about America where the headless horseman was
@ohmeowzer1
@ohmeowzer1 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this Ty
@akiwinerd4437
@akiwinerd4437 5 жыл бұрын
4:39 anyone else get a sound glitch too?
@nathanmckenzie6130
@nathanmckenzie6130 5 жыл бұрын
Yahh😕😕😕😕
@BlackArcherGaming
@BlackArcherGaming 5 жыл бұрын
What the heck
@wandahonsberger8207
@wandahonsberger8207 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@that1shyslothboi674
@that1shyslothboi674 5 жыл бұрын
Yep
@imsosexyandicannotlieyeee8417
@imsosexyandicannotlieyeee8417 5 жыл бұрын
A Kiwi Nerd same
@reidsreeds5365
@reidsreeds5365 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, jack is nowhere near as scary as the tearaway face clown
@tylerbutsimon
@tylerbutsimon 5 жыл бұрын
BLASPHEMY
@cameronmeyers5541
@cameronmeyers5541 5 жыл бұрын
THIS IS MADNESS
@ashreeanimationsss6598
@ashreeanimationsss6598 5 жыл бұрын
Zelda Islife facts
@3p1c_gacha_summ3r8
@3p1c_gacha_summ3r8 5 жыл бұрын
I hear you therw
@Lapp802
@Lapp802 5 жыл бұрын
STAY OFFFFF THE WEED
@DefHuman
@DefHuman 2 жыл бұрын
This appeared in my recommended two years after it was posted. The fact I watched nightmare before Christmas last night-
@jackiexkh
@jackiexkh 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Jack is *really* dead, he's just the embodiment of Halloween. He was just... always a skeleton who always lived in Halloween Town. Also claiming Jack is the same character as someone from a completely unrelated movie is just dumb.
@charity9660
@charity9660 2 жыл бұрын
This is also a good one
@thequeenofcringe6920
@thequeenofcringe6920 4 жыл бұрын
When I die, I’m going straight there... also jack would’ve been burned alive, the bone cannot burn and at the beginning how he was a scarecrow burning, that’s a sign of how he died
@KirstenMarie_MS3
@KirstenMarie_MS3 3 жыл бұрын
Everything burns. You just have to get it to the right temp and give it enough time. We're talking something like 600⁰C, which the temp of an average cremation, for 1 to 3 hours. Your typical structure fire doesn't burn long enough to fully reduce a body to ash.
@girlygamer420
@girlygamer420 2 жыл бұрын
@@KirstenMarie_MS3 I worked at a mortuary and you are correct. Good job🤗
@TickedOffPriest
@TickedOffPriest 6 жыл бұрын
It is possible the doctor was the one who made a new head for Jack.
@spineldinrebrick9882
@spineldinrebrick9882 6 жыл бұрын
maybe
@jbadboy6215
@jbadboy6215 6 жыл бұрын
TickedOff Priest Na his head just became a skull when he died and his skin stripped off!
@stevensanchez1192
@stevensanchez1192 6 жыл бұрын
J Badboy The headless horse man's head was blown off by a cannon ball, those thing can shatter a skull dude. Maybe the doctor did create his head, just like how he created those skeleton reindeer.
@spineldinrebrick9882
@spineldinrebrick9882 6 жыл бұрын
What if jack's head was made by the doctor, but what if the same cannon ball was used to make it?!
@octaviusroosevelt7355
@octaviusroosevelt7355 6 жыл бұрын
Raiden Rebrick Then that would be interesting. Unlikely, but it would be cool.
@dennythesavage
@dennythesavage Жыл бұрын
Frankenweenie, Corpse Bride, James and the Giant Peach, and A Nightmare before Christmas are all about the same character in different time lines.
@pixelatedtoast
@pixelatedtoast 3 жыл бұрын
Theres 4 options •The skeleton pirate from james in the giant peach (possibly jack sparrow) •Headless Horseman •Ichabod Crane himself •Stingy Jack
@angelam.7267
@angelam.7267 4 жыл бұрын
The guy in the wheelchair creeped me out the most
@ERJones-fd6oh
@ERJones-fd6oh 3 жыл бұрын
the Mad scientist? he is pretty creepy
@suzannewilson2821
@suzannewilson2821 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Finkelstein
@angelam.7267
@angelam.7267 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@vimoe
@vimoe 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I believe his death was that he tried inspecting his brain himself so he cut his head open?
@diaryofasewercat
@diaryofasewercat 3 жыл бұрын
@@vimoe nope. He was poisoned. This explains why his only affect to Sally poisoning him was falling asleep for a while.
@eiraedogawa3598
@eiraedogawa3598 4 жыл бұрын
Jack is the "leader" of Halloween, just like Santa Claus is the "leader" of Christmas.
@dragonwolf_fang837
@dragonwolf_fang837 3 жыл бұрын
Krampus (jk) orrr...
@Isabelle-Cassels
@Isabelle-Cassels 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus is the "leader" of Christmas. But I do get what your saying.
@miriamambriz-mendez4138
@miriamambriz-mendez4138 2 жыл бұрын
@@Isabelle-Cassels Christmas is a pagan holiday
@megalisa830bright6
@megalisa830bright6 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Exactly! Jack Skellington is the leader of Halloween Town, just like Santa Claus is the leader of Christmas Town! ^_^
@nicholasanderson3220
@nicholasanderson3220 2 жыл бұрын
@@miriamambriz-mendez4138 unmmmm no....the holiday that the Romans celibated was... Christmas it's self has always been to celebrate the birth of Jesus......pls read up on history before commenting otherwise it just makes you look foolish
@pinkushatejar
@pinkushatejar 6 ай бұрын
My theory: Jack Skellington is the pirate Calico Jack. 1, Jack appears as the captain of the ghost ship James runs into in the icy waters. 2, "Calico" Jack Rackham died in 1720, before modern Christmas practices in the 19th century. 3, After Calico Jack was executed, his body was left in an iron gibbet for possibly years, his skeleton was on display for a very long time. 4, Calico clothing of the time very strongly favored stripes, which Skellington wears 5, They even have the same name lmao
@avaandthecookies1003
@avaandthecookies1003 2 жыл бұрын
I watched your KZbin as a joke and now I can’t stop watching it
@goodnight3185
@goodnight3185 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. the scariest monster was human..
@catalinad6982
@catalinad6982 6 жыл бұрын
good night *is*
@mesterthejester6548
@mesterthejester6548 6 жыл бұрын
good night ikr
@DeadNelo
@DeadNelo 6 жыл бұрын
good night well games and movies and books already explain why sooooo yeah
@vegankitty6341
@vegankitty6341 6 жыл бұрын
good night they still are...
@euphluvsu
@euphluvsu 6 жыл бұрын
Catalina :D *was*
@lorilosey6920
@lorilosey6920 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think it matters who Jack was when he was alive, because I love jack for who he is now..the king of Halloween.
@adriannacabrera9013
@adriannacabrera9013 3 жыл бұрын
I love jack he’s the pumpkin king and he’s adorable ❤️
@ReturnOf2008
@ReturnOf2008 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched Tim Burton’s Sleepy Hollow film - Jack Skellington could have totally been that Ichabod Crane!!!!
@hatsunemiku1637
@hatsunemiku1637 4 жыл бұрын
Jack died from being burned alive. When someone is Burt alive their skellington are the only thing that is left. Their is proof In the opening song, Jack sets himself on fire then jumps in the water, and turns into Jack the skellington.
@BunniRabbi
@BunniRabbi 3 жыл бұрын
Skeleton, not Skellington. Jack is a skeleton. His name is Jack Skellington. Skellington is a surname (as in 'of the town of Skelling'). They chose his last name because it sounds like skeleton.
@-arymause-2809
@-arymause-2809 3 жыл бұрын
@@BunniRabbi I’m pretty sure they were tryna make a pun
@thegreeter7027
@thegreeter7027 3 жыл бұрын
@@BunniRabbi there was also a theory that Jack was Jack The Ripper
@BunniRabbi
@BunniRabbi 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegreeter7027 Interesting. How did that go?
@trinitylove-terlecki7969
@trinitylove-terlecki7969 6 жыл бұрын
It would make sense if he was in the war bc he “knocked the bravest of thier feet” the people who fought in the war must have been brave idk if this makes sense but im a huge fan of tim burton
@annabortion1539
@annabortion1539 5 жыл бұрын
Trinity Love-Terlecki Mah Twin :3
@RedAngelSophia
@RedAngelSophia 2 жыл бұрын
You seem to be overlooking Captain Jack Sparrows (Pirates of the Carribean). Not only do they both have the same first name (Jack) - but if you watch JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH (which like both movies is from Disney, and which like NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS is from Tim Burton) there is a scene in which you see what appears to be an intermediate, transitional state between the two. It was that scene that convinced me of Jack Skellington’s identity.
@c3sc0as
@c3sc0as Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought Jack was Jack Sparrow. He was a pirate in James and the Giant Peach and the reason he’s all bones is because like in Pirates one his curse caused him to lose his skin.
@ericowen5305
@ericowen5305 4 жыл бұрын
I love this theory! Though I always believed that Jack was something like a miscarriage, dead since birth. All he knows is Halloween and that's why Christmas is so strange to him
@acidicleaf4007
@acidicleaf4007 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great theory!
@jeditoadproductions4060
@jeditoadproductions4060 6 жыл бұрын
Wait isn’t Jack against murder in the movie Oggie Boggie is the only murderer and Jack seems against it.
@KILLKING110
@KILLKING110 6 жыл бұрын
maybe jack did it then found out the aftermath sucks and that's why he's against it
@gajeeltheirondragonslayer2742
@gajeeltheirondragonslayer2742 6 жыл бұрын
maybe he was against it after he found out
@REBDful
@REBDful 6 жыл бұрын
It could have been remorse for the life take by him
@oregonstatefan363
@oregonstatefan363 6 жыл бұрын
JEDI TOAD I
@jackarrow2129
@jackarrow2129 6 жыл бұрын
JEDI TOAD true, but do you remember that there were rumors that icabob was still alive and we actualy see him in the end. The whole "headless hourseman will kill you" could have been an act
@thomasdecataldo2674
@thomasdecataldo2674 2 жыл бұрын
I think Jack is Ichabod Crane because they are both very, very tall. Also, when Jack enters Halloween town on the straw horse in the beginning he is dressed as the Headless Horseman!
@Teakip
@Teakip 2 жыл бұрын
In James and the Giant Peach, Jack was shown as a captain in a pirate shipwreck in the Arctic scene. Given Jack didn’t know what snow was when he discovered Christmas Town (“What’s this? There’s white stuff in the air.”) it would make sense he traveled the tropics as a pirate. And instead of the scarecrow on fire being a literal means of his death, with people suggesting he burned at the stake, I think it’s a meant to be an extreme opposite of how he died. He went out in cold, icy water, and so he exists in death with bright, burning fire.
@gachabriisawolf9308
@gachabriisawolf9308 5 жыл бұрын
Well, maybe he wasnt the headless horseman. But a soldier in the American Revolution, got shot and he maybe died in fear, thus, he wants to scare others so the other people can feel the same way he did. It makes sense to.
@kyoto3695
@kyoto3695 5 жыл бұрын
That's stupid
@ilikestuff5188
@ilikestuff5188 5 жыл бұрын
Though I do respect your theory it doesn't really make sense I mean in the begging of movie when Jack came out of the well we can see that before there was a pumpkin head burning while dancing which can explain how he died (burned alive) also when he sings his solo (Jack's Lament) he says, "I'll scare you out of your pants" and he was known throughout England and France which can mean he could have been some sort of person that would scare people (I don't know the name of what that would be called back then) but that's what I think.
@justsomeonewhopopsupeveryw1444
@justsomeonewhopopsupeveryw1444 5 жыл бұрын
Jack Skellington was burned alive
@BruhSW
@BruhSW 5 жыл бұрын
skeleton*
@cantanhamslam5863
@cantanhamslam5863 5 жыл бұрын
“ Skellington “ is correct.
@jaylinlake-garcia6022
@jaylinlake-garcia6022 5 жыл бұрын
I know right?!
@glam4663
@glam4663 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@squareup.thensleep
@squareup.thensleep 4 жыл бұрын
@@BruhSW sir its skellington like she said dont be a smart kid and correct people if you dont know what your talkong about!
@kai_9448
@kai_9448 10 ай бұрын
Ok I know this video was posted 5 years ago but I absolutely love the victor theory and I know it doesn't really have a lot of evidence but it's still one of my favorites
@FantasticHazelFox
@FantasticHazelFox 2 жыл бұрын
4:39 why is this part silent?! Who did Jack murder?!
@ijustdidahugeshit
@ijustdidahugeshit 2 жыл бұрын
Madonna
@emily_m7001
@emily_m7001 6 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for finding a new explanation for Jack. I hate (strong work, but really) the theory that Jack is Victor. Also that the kid from Frankenweenie became Victor and became Jack. It's wildly accepted with almost no facts and I don't know, I just really really hate it.
@MaryC861
@MaryC861 6 жыл бұрын
I so glad to find someone else who doesn't buy that theory. Not only are all the time periods mixed up, the dogs are all different and even the personalty of each character doesn't match up ether. I don't even see how people think Burton himself confirmed it when (as you said) there's no proof.
@IsaacCarlson
@IsaacCarlson 6 жыл бұрын
I'm happy I could provide an alternative! Thanks for watching!
@zaggora7316
@zaggora7316 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Burton lost a dog when he was younger so that’s why there always a dead dog in his animated films... Probably why people thought they were all the same person.
@VorpalSpider69
@VorpalSpider69 6 жыл бұрын
BerrySparrowpaw their only connection is that they all had dogs, and the influence for that was Tim Burton having a dog when he was a kid.
@kcrb0202
@kcrb0202 6 жыл бұрын
I hate that theory because the are all set in different points in time. It's like people don't realize that. I think it's more likely that Jack is related to Victor somehow.
@makenziwheeler2565
@makenziwheeler2565 5 жыл бұрын
Not a theory about Jack.. But about zero. Okay.... Zero was actually Sparky from Frankenweenie before he died. Then he was Scraps from corpse bride. Then of course he becomes Zero. Now my theory about Jack is that all of the dog owners from all those movies are the same person!!!! In Frankenweenie that was him as a little boy. Then he becomes Victor in corpse bride. And then Jack. I understand they all have different names but that is because once Victor got older he moved away from his friends an wanted to start over... So he changed his name to Victor. When he died he went to Halloween Town and he didn't want anyone to recognize/remember him.
@Xolito505
@Xolito505 5 жыл бұрын
Kenzi Hex. Seems fitting
@Xolito505
@Xolito505 5 жыл бұрын
Kenzi Hex I had this exact theory bro
@makenziwheeler2565
@makenziwheeler2565 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it makes sense
@renbiscotti1514
@renbiscotti1514 5 жыл бұрын
But isn't frankenweenie more present then the corpse bride? He couldn't have gone back in time to grow up
@diobrando7957
@diobrando7957 5 жыл бұрын
that theory was debunked
@space_raider1580
@space_raider1580 7 ай бұрын
I like the theory with the headless horsemen and to link onto it . At the start of the film whilst the citizens of halloween town are singing, we can see jack in his pumpkin form is riding a horse and the headless horsemen does have a pumpkin head and rides a horse 🤯
@lauravalentine9488
@lauravalentine9488 3 жыл бұрын
I like your theory that Jack is also the Headless Horseman of Sleepy Hollow. My very favorite scary creature is the Headless Horseman.
@cartermorgan3751
@cartermorgan3751 5 жыл бұрын
at 4:38 the sound cuts out....odes anyone else have that problem or is it just me?
@luvinlandon
@luvinlandon 5 жыл бұрын
No
@poweredbymoonlight9869
@poweredbymoonlight9869 5 жыл бұрын
happens to me every time i watch it
@HeartzieHearts
@HeartzieHearts 5 жыл бұрын
It happens to everyone at all times.
@vd9032
@vd9032 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@eweiser20
@eweiser20 5 жыл бұрын
Phantom Meyers I noticed it too. The audio cuts off at 4:40 then comes back at 4:50
@myfallengrace1958
@myfallengrace1958 6 жыл бұрын
Omg Wotso! I cannot believe you did my favorite Halloween Town Character! I waited for this! Thank you!
@IsaacCarlson
@IsaacCarlson 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could bring this to you then!! Thanks for watching!
@haunter8661
@haunter8661 Жыл бұрын
You’re forgetting, jack has been doing this job for more than 100 years.
@Chnl27
@Chnl27 2 жыл бұрын
Wat the end of the movie when Jack and Sally are singing Jack is falling in love with his nurse that aided him during the war. It would make sense because Sally knows how to stitch herself back together. Jack had eyes for her after some time injuries that he got during the war.
@emmad.176
@emmad.176 2 жыл бұрын
A number of people also reckon jack was a performer. Maybe he was a performer, then soldier? And Sally was a nurse present at his death? I reckon Sally might've gotten blown up or chopped up or something, as horrible as that sounds. It makes sense with her sewing herself up.
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