would a victorian child survive a 4loko?

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Orphans and Class Anxiety in Nineteenth-century English Novels by Junghan Choi
‘Their mother is a violent drunken woman who has been several times in prison’: ‘saving’ children from their families, 1850-1900 by Gillian Lamb (2021)
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Waif Stories in Late Nineteenth-Century England by Anna Davin (2001)
The Children of the Poor: Representations of Childhood since the Seventeenth Century by Hugh Cunningham (1991)
Child labour and the half-time system by Margaret McMillan (1860-1931)
Victorian childhood by Janet Sacks (2010)
Childhood and child labour in the British industrial revolution by Jane Humphries (2013)
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[@tangentreverent4821]

Sounds like the best way to overstimulate a Victorian child would be to give them a nutritionally complete meal.

[@johnindigo5477]

The blood sugar spike is real

[@mordechai_engels]

@@johnindigo5477yeah our refeeding syndrome would probably be to them just "feeding syndrome"

[@tangentreverent4821]

@@mordechai_engels never heard of that before. Frightening idea.

[@monicaoliva5186]

Lol yes take them to a Sweetgreen 😂

[@annasolovyeva1013]

​@@mordechai_engels not only sugar, but they'd be chronically deficient in protein and several kinds of vitamins and microelements

[@tonie222]

“would a victorian kid handle our wacky modern era??” average victorian kid: “they found worms in martha’s tummy and peter lost two fingers at the mill. i pray every night to be with god but he ignores me just like papa.”

[@bloodyrose1995]

This comment needs more love lol it’s hilarious

[@tonie222]

@@bloodyrose1995lol i appreciate that

[@NaomiVirshbo]

I love everything about this comment! You are funny

[@CalCipher_cLL0wm]

OH MY GOD UR SPOT ON

[@SBBunny93]

This is the humor I live for! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@abook2141]

tangent but i love that william golding, the author of lord of the flies, said that the only reason he didnt include girls in lotf was bc he thought the story would've been handled within a day

[@cecille5833]

so tru, to be fair even if you drop a group of tween boys in buckingham palace and they'll still go feral and terrorize everything in their path. that remind me of a show where group of girls and boys were left to their own in a house, the boys quickly became a sloven frat house, and their girls manage fine but they had problems communicating and started mind games with each other and non violent assault like pouring water

[@RogueVideoRaven]

I wonder what he would’ve thought of Yellowjackets then lol

[@alisonmercer5946]

​@@RogueVideoRaventhat show was odd to me because I loved it and hated it. The second season wt f was that

[@noelletakesthesky3977]

And in Peter Pan, there were only lost BOYS because girls were seen as too smart to randomly fall out of prams, making the newest “Peter Pan and Wendy” even stupider for adding girls to the lost boys. They claimed it was equality, but it literally made girls equally STUPID. Literally.

[@metallsnubben]

@@itsROMPERS... In this case more like the _situation_ would have been handled and the story of lotf wouldn't have occurred

[@mirmioo]

My only question after this video: how tf did ANYONE survive the victorian era?

[@exosproudmamabear558]

They didnt most children and babies died.

[@OriginalContent89]

LUCK

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

You were either born into wealth or ridiculously lucky and strong.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

@@carolinpurayidom4570 Wealthy died too due to stupid shit like using arsenic as a medicine and makeup. Bloodletting,lead based wallpapers,Radium consumables and wearables etc.

[@isobellam5557]

many ppl romanticize the past but when u getting to bottom of it. It’s so lucky to living in today

[@AR-de8qz]

Victorian children would take cocaine for a cough. They grew up drinking alcohol. Yes I'm pretty sure they could handle it lol

[@8ml888]

And opium for toothache

[@alebarreraforsyth4648]

award for didn't watch the video; just angrily commented 🥇

[@hardcyd3r]

Not cocaine, coca leaves. It is chemically different and the distinction matters. Also, a lot of the beer back then was low alcohol and was a staple for many when the water was undrinkable.

[@johnindigo5477]

Alcohol was safer than water

[@lilbeaniebabie2611]

opium for cough cocaine for toothaches but opium could help that too haha edit : also wanted just say the cocaine was used as an anesthetic to help toothaches by numbing the gums by rubbing it on them ☺️ but they were taking some insanely heavy drugs like opium, morphine, and mothers were even instructed to give babies opium/morphine or alcohol like gin to get them to sleep. I find it very interesting !!

[@lbr88x30]

There were child prostitutes on the streets of Victorian London. Kids also drank alcohol and heroin, cocaine and arsenic were medicines. Child labor was the norm. Literacy and education and childhood were for the middle class and above.

[@LGrian]

Heroin is medicine. It is still prescribed in the UK and several other countries. It is a powerful pain killer with fewer side effects than other opiates. The only reason it’s not legal in the US is because it was used a scapegoat for all opiate addiction, while the manufacturers of even more deadly drugs like fentanyl enjoy patents and massive profits.

[@honeyswann]

The phrase “child prostitute” is something I wish to never see ever in my life ever again 🥲

[@itsROMPERS...]

In a number of red states like Arkansas, Republican politicians like Sarah Huckabee Sanders are quietly relaxing restrictions on the hours that children can work and the dangerous jobs they can work in. So Republicans are intending to bring the age of child labor back in America.

[@astridliliencron]

@@honeyswann Knowing humanity, unfortunately, it is something that still exists everywhere and will never go away, just like human trafficking, drug abuse, homicides, genocides and other horrible stuff.

[@HopeGardner3amed]

​@@astridliliencronI was gonna say, everything OC said is still true in the USA today.

[@NewFoundLife]

Yeah, the life of Victorian children is something out of a horror movie. The first court case of child abuse in the US, Mary Ellen Wilson, was in 1874. Wilson died in 1956, which is the same year both of my parents were born, so this is not even that long ago.

[@Juliette_jules]

@@Youokhunthis guy is a loser and an incel, just ignore him

[@BooksOfValdemar]

@@ville__ If you want this to be believable you may want to have some videos on your channel.

[@genericname8727]

@@Youokhun it’s a spam bot. Best ignored.

[@sumlem]

​@@Youokhun report Ville when you see them

[@sumlem]

​@@genericname8727best reported tbh. It gives the account time outs

[@zoeyc5851]

As a victorian child, love this video 😍

[@grantspins4124]

This is sending me 😭

[@Obatala_Vibez]

Past life maybe 😅

[@NA-gz3vv]

I wanna give a working class Victorian child a hug and some warm mittens, they would deserve it :(.

[@lulucool45]

and a proper bath first 😫

[@Trassel242]

Yeah, I’m Swedish so I’ve been a child in snowy winters, it really makes you grateful for the existence of warm mittens and thick wool socks. There’s kids these days who live in similar conditions, and I feel for them as well. No kid should have to freeze in the snow and cold, nor burn in the unrelenting sun without shade or water. It’s unfair and simply cruel. It’s scary how despite the years between now and the Victorian era, so much still stays the same (bad wages, bad food if you’re poor, the rich getting richer while the poor get more poor, etc).

[@pitbullism]

and a normal rotisserie chicken

[@fuckingworkplswtf9940]

tbf u could just give the children working in third-world factories today a hug cause they're probably living in the same working conditions

[@CarrionKnight]

You would get fleas

[@Andrea-Rodriguez14]

I would like to bring some more perspective into the comments about the coca leaf. As a Bolivian is important for me to share our understanding of coca leaves. Here we often say a phrase stating “coca is not cocaine”; because as a matter of fact this leaf has been part of our ancestral culture for millennia, serving as natural medicine. The idea that coca is cocaine is very much a western and imperial idea brought upon the drug crisis. To make cocaine out of coca leafs you need to heavily process it and add a bunch of chemicals that distort the natural elements of the leaf. Thus, it is certainly unfair and stigmatising to say that consuming coca leafs is similar to consuming cocaine. Bolivians still use coca leafs in natural and healthy ways, including tea, coca candies and even sodas. There is extensive research on how using it in its natural state is beneficial for the body. Furthermore, aside from the science; our history with coca leafs goes back centuries, back to the Inca empire, proving its historical role as a medicinal plant. Of course, my country has problems with cocaine production. But I find it very important to state how there is a difference between coca leafs and cocaine, as we need to differentiate them to better address the problems with narco production.

[@sophcw]

This is great context! Cocaine itself is also sometimes used in medicine, you can still be prescribed cocaine, so it's not as "lethal" as many people seem to think when used appropriately.

[@htdtrr76]

absolutely agree! thank you for your wisdom and insight

[@leightoncroft4152]

thank you for sharing i've never seen this info before. if i ever come to Bolivia im trying coca candy immediately

[@jjcstb]

Thank you for sharing! It's so important to talk about this to not stigmatize indigenous medicine

[@Aaa-pr8lr]

It also relates to racist/colonialist points of view. Talking about the coca leaves as synonymous with drugs, leads to treat people who practice indigenous culture as drug addicts, who usually are people of color. Overall it helps to spread the false idea that indigenous people are uncivilized and colonizers were smarter. It's a persistent problem for Bolivia, Perú and other sudamerican countries to this day

[@blackis90pcofmywardrobe]

Mina, as a Deaf viewer, thank you for consistently captioning your content. Love to see it!

[@goldgold8505]

God bless you ❤❤❤

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

As someone whose cheekbones and eye bags gave me the comparison to a Sickly Victorian Boy this topic is near and dear to my heart

[@earringzarerad]

SO UNRELATED BUT I LOVE YOUR PFP!!

[@nailinthefashion]

"Sleepy smart boy" so a Victorian child in a way

[@elle_rose_xx]

Can relate. People constantly ask me if I’m sick or tired

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

@@elle_rose_xx People always ask if I'm feeling sick like I haven't had the same face for years 😭 it's still just my face I'm sorryyy

[@ghoultooth]

@@elle_rose_xxI’m very pale and back when I was 11-16 I would CONSTANTLY be asked this during school lol. Even as an adult, I still get the “you need more sleep and sun” comments

[@sarahshaw-sehgal1146]

Wow this is such an interesting perspectives on this. Its so true that Victorian children were (unfortunately) FAR hardier than children today. I think the "frail victorian child" stems from movie tropes as well of WEALTHY noble children and most people don't realize!

[@itsROMPERS...]

They were clearly very hearty, except for all the dying they did

[@Anna-xh6fk]

People do realize, that’s what they’re ficking joking about

[@miglek9613]

​@@itsROMPERS...A huge portion of the children we have today wouldn't even be born alive had it been the victorian era (think incubator babies, all of the kids born through a cesarean, those whose umbilical cords were wrapped around their necks, etc), let alone reach the age of 5 because of allergies and stuff. The fact some of those kids were even born shows they were way hardier than most current kids (not that that's a good thing)

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@miglek9613 yeah, i just meant that even though many survived very rough conditions a lot more died than should have.

[@NotATroll-qc1pv]

@miglek9613 I suppose runts like me, who wouldn't have survived the victorian era, shouldn't exist today...

[@HighAsHeckPriestess]

Ive never heard Victorian children described as "festive" before 😂😂😂

[@ines2750]

yeah😂😂😂

[@Trassel242]

Some people think that HC Andersen’s story “The Little Matchstick Girl” is a good Christmas story. It’s about a little girl who’s out in the winter snow, selling matchsticks to survive. Unless you take the story extremely literally, it’s about her breathing in the toxic fumes of the types of matches they had back then and hallucinating while she freezes to death in the cold. I think it’s an extremely sad story, and it’s not cozy or festive just because it takes place during Christmas. I cried when a teacher read this to us in school when I was a kid, and she didn’t understand what was wrong, it was just a nice little Christmas story.

[@nogodsnomasters6963]

​@@Trassel242 wow i can't wrap my head around that teacher or anyone else thinking this is a "nice" Christmas story!? i also cried about the story, even as a "clueless" kid i perfectly understood it is SAD AF and my heart broke for the girl

[@hewhoadds]

22:20 the commandment “respect your parents so you may live a long life” is the most mobster veiled threat i’ve ever heard to be fair

[@itsROMPERS...]

Dickens was basically the first global media star. He published his stories mostly in pamphlets that were released on a regular schedule, and they were so popular that people all over the world would go to the docks on the days the pamphlets were expected and buy them out right away. They sold in the millions. He also traveled the entire world doing readings which were always sold out. He was the Taylor Swift of his time.

[@ravenpotter3]

Sounds like either Dickens should have became a singer and have a eras tour

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@ravenpotter3 "either"?

[@meangothlesbian]

i was with you until you mentioned taylor swift.

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@meangothlesbian Who would you pick as a contemporary example that people can relate to? They both are famous for media, writing and music. Both were globally acclaimed while active. Also, both were considered a "popular sensation", Dickens wasn't merely an acclaimed writer, he had intense fans, his own "swifties", if you will. Not a perfect comparison, but valid.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

What about Jules Verne? He’s also the first Francophone international media star.

[@Trassel242]

The old word in Swedish for rickets, a disease caused by extreme lack of vitamin D in childhood that can mess up your skeleton and joints, was “the English disease”, since it was so common among the poor factory workers’ children in the UK. It also took them a rather long time to get around to making laws that you have to label the ingredients of stuff you’re selling, so it’s very likely that lots of Victorian people didn’t know they were eating bread with toxic chemicals in it and so on. Any kid that survived being born in Victorian times would be tough just from that alone, so it’s kind of mean to imply they were wimps or weak.

[@Alex-ci4mz]

this meme has always bothered me for all these reasons, thank you for setting the record straight hahah

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

I know! These kids were huffing chimney soot they'll survive a Red Bull

[@serinamikaylavlogs]

I think the meme is about sickly, delicate wealthy children which is different from the toughened poor children

[@Xedlord]

@@serinamikaylavlogs Many of these memes will also use "medieval peasant" instead, so I'm pretty sure these people are imagining the poor in these.

[@ni9274]

@@serinamikaylavlogs but even then they were treated with cocaine and heroine, I think they can handle an energy drink and some beer

[@Cryinginthecloudssss]

I always said I wanted to give a peice of candy to a Victorian child and then say that’s what the Queen keeps to herself now isn’t that not fair? 💀 I wanna make a Victorian child revolution

[@PsychedelicSquirrel]

You might like Newsies. Lol

[@mightymeatymech]

i love the way you think

[@aubreejobizzarro1208]

Hell yeah

[@ElysianBean]

Thank you for standing up for the Victorian Children LOL. It does feel like a random topic, but it's been my Roman Empire lately because my sister just had a baby and when I see "belladonna free" on over the counter teething medications, I think about that Victorian Era menstrual cramp remedy of opium and belladonna. When all the memes flooded Tiktok I was just like, have any of you seen the medications, working conditions, or general living conditions for the majority of people back then? Like you had to be TOUGH to survive regardless of your age, but especially for children 💀.

[@losttrash9263]

Honestly I think the memes have a lot to do with the class divide that was so bad in England around this time. I’m sure if you were to ask most people laughing at these memes if they thought surviving Victorian England was easy they would probably say no. That answer mainly applies to the majority working class who we typically don’t see accurate depictions of. History is written by and for the people with wealth.

[@johnrzepka2008]

Bro the cocaine they took as medicine would kill me today

[@polarknight856]

I got a headache just thinking about it

[@vlsqu]

the cocaine was the secret to surviving the 10 hour work days

[@carmenbaby]

As a sickly Victorian orphan, thank you for standing up for us

[@yesmansam6686]

Thank you for mining coal for us. I would give you a hug, but I'm wearing my good shirt today.

[@watcherowl5387]

My mom's parents experiences were so bad I refer to it as "Charles Dickens novel level of messed up". Grandpa literally spent time in a NY orphanage my great aunt died right in front of him.

[@Alex-pb5rf]

Honestly, this is all reminding me of the Samantha books I read as a kid. They exposed me to the idea that no matter what time you live in, child abuse and child labor are NEVER okay. Ever. I still think about those books as an adult… and they were HEAVY for kids books. I guess American Girl deserves credit for that 😅

[@janicelewis3744]

Victorian children often lived very arduous lives. Maimed to make them more sympathetic beggars, recruited - forcibly - to be pickpockets, child labour in factories. Diseases abounded. I can't think of much in the modern world that could compete.

[@GNavoski]

Victorian child vs iPad kid

[@abaddon2148]

victorian child solos

[@almosthumanjessi9799]

Victorian child would win in a fight, but ipad kid would graduate college

[@micaelams1]

I’m Peruvian, and we use coca leaves for health purposes as it helps with altitude sickness in the highlands. Coca flour has a vast array of health benefits and vitamins, too. If you’re interested in the research the pioneer of this product was Marina Escobar Moscoso. Just thought I’d share a bit of information, since it’s a common misconception that it’s a bad plant 😅

[@znth-gameworks]

Had to be Escobar! (JK, I know they're not related and coca is not just for cocaine but the joke was right there)

[@PokhrajRoy.]

This Victorian child thing is the new Roman Empire

[@maxobakso123]

theres a level of chronic internet use you have to reach to understand this comment

[@CitizenOfPoland]

@@maxobakso123can you pls tell me What does the Roman empire thing is supposed to mean, Thanks in advance

[@whatsupwendy]

Mina’s vids and podcast are my Roman empire 👀

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@maxobakso123 Haha chronically online gang where you at

[@cleo_____]

It’s actually pretty old internet lore. People barely say that anymore.

[@a.a.6789]

13:44 LOOK AT THAT BABYYYY😭😭😭😭 Why did that clip make me tear up bro... Also that demographic breakdown of the mid to late 1800s was fascinating, tale of 2 cities is collecting dust on my bookshelf, definitely reading it and everything Dickens. Edit: The clips and pics of the kids are just horrible... Don't forget to boycott products that use child labour friends from Cobalt in the Congo to sugar plantations in Latin America, Chocolates, just so much😢😢 +pro-genocide in Gaza brands.

[@Livingthroughthis_]

He's not actually working! It was kind of a bring your kid to work thing

[@noelletakesthesky3977]

@@Livingthroughthis_ Watch a minute later, when that toddler is pulling cord from a chimney. He clearly knew how to do it. While this shows that kids are capable of understanding a LOT at younger ages then we give them credit for (look at how many people today think that teens aren’t yet old enough to know the difference between right and wrong on black and white issues), it also meant that that boy was working enough to know how to keep on focused tast with no room for imagination or play.

[@Lil1kv]

Boycott coca cola, nestle, mars, Unilever, and all others which use slavery, especially of children!

[@maleahlock]

That is demonstrably untrue. Children as young as three were OFTEN used as chimney sweeps. Many of them died horribly. There are literally 10's of thousands of existing records. This particular child is certainly working. You can look up his story. His name is Horst Bohnke ​@@Livingthroughthis_

[@graciend]

i feel like victorian kids went through it and could probably survive anything

[@PastelOddity]

Just to clarify: Nothing suggest that Lewis Carroll was a predator. There's a lot of writing on the subject, but the biggest "accusation" is that there were ~30 pictures of nude or semi-nude children out of a few thousand. That sounds awful, until you realize that child nudity was not viewed the way it is now. Nudity in children was non-sexual. Children were essentially asexual and even gender/sexless. Nude children in art were so common that it can be found on holiday cards from the time. Again, until puberty, you were a being entirely separated from the idea of being sexualized. That doesn't mean there weren't predators--there were. And they took advantage of the societal perception of children as subhuman to abuse children.

[@May-ky4lu]

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[@ohlove0]

What about him wanting to marry the real life Alice? (I'm genuinely asking)

[@suecrerie]

​@@ohlove0 He didn't, that's a myth. But unfortunately, it sells more to say he was attracted to Alice than that he was just some guy who enjoy taking care of children and telling them stories.😔

[@user-tk1qt1wo3w]

Yes, and even the photo in the video is cropped - there was actually the childrens´ mother on the left. But this picture is often published cropped to make it look more sinister

[@katfoster845]

There were also never any accusations made by a victim or someone who knew a victim. Vague rumours nearly two centuries on isn't really evidence of anything.

[@lanax7922]

You should continue the horror of child welfare history and explore a topic you’d be the first popular youtuber to break into: victorian children walked so jim crow and chinese exclusion act children could run

[@lanax7922]

For example, children owned as slaves and later indentured servants would be tortured by white women, like one slave girl who was made to put her fingers under the legs of a rocking chair as the white mom owner rocked back and forth. Actually please do this topic so you can interview me and I can vent about anecdotes that have been passed down in my family

[@Sabrina-vc9yt]

​@@lanax7922 I think we need an alien intervention. What's wrong with people??? Why would anyone want to crush child's fingers?

[@aubreejobizzarro1208]

@@lanax7922That’s HORRIFIC but also I’m in awe of your ancestors resilience to hold those stories. More stuff needs to come out about the past because it’s truly frightening how wicked people can be.

[@ezrelab6637]

Victorian era london WAS INSANE. I read a book on cholera in victorian era london and it's just so weird how journalists from outside of london were mind blown to see the state of london's living conditions. It's also crazy to learn about all the different kinds of jobs there were and also how much information we have about this and yet your average person doesn't know a whole lot about this. Like I went from reading abt cholera and being in awe of the victorian era medical community, then to reading articles about cat's meat men.

[@rebeccat715]

Fun fact: leeches are still used occasionally in modern medicine! So the frequency of bloodletting (and reasoning for it) was bad, but the technique itself is less crazy than it seems

[@itsROMPERS...]

Remember, blood letting wasn't always done gradually using leeches. Many times they'd just open a vein and let blood gush out for awhile. In fact I think I heard that George Washington died as a result of excessive blood letting.

[@thecolorjune]

As a kid I really wanted to have a leech latch onto me. I thought they were cute

[@aubreejobizzarro1208]

Leeches are amazing little helpers when used optimally 😍 They’re so cool honestly

[@LuluTheCorgi]

You can keep them as pets it's really fun, just gotta let them feed on you every ~week or two depending on how big the lil guy is

[@a.lumpia]

"For today's video I want to look into the world of Victorian children. It feels festive." Well, Merry Christmas to you, too, Mina❤

[@dreamerfishb]

Was looking for mention of Canada’s favorite (favourite) orphan: Anne Shirley (Anne of Green Gables). Would love a video on that series!!!

[@heavenleighbliss]

I'm not sure if this meme refers to the current weak excuse for four loko or the original version that put me solidly on my ass as a full grown adult but I would not want to meet any Victorian orphan in a dark alley, those urchins knew how to survive

[@imogenx9145]

In fairness, drinking Guinness lager has been known to increase breast milk production in mothers and would be safe to consume after a reasonable time had passed. I would guess that Guinness would have been cheaper and more accessible than an alternative such as dates.

[@SunnyMorningPancakes]

Guinness is stout not lager.

[@ruthspanos2532]

For centuries, beer could be safer than water due to the contamination of the water supply. And much of it was pretty weak.

[@eloradannen]

Beer would have been a lot weaker back then anyway. And to be fair, Guinness was given to new mothers as late as the 1960s. Its full or iron. I donated blood in the 90s and there was bottles of Guinness in the post blood donation buffet.

[@Angryoyster]

I always tell myself “ugh I hated the books we read in school” but the more I sit down and think about it the more I feel like I’ve been influenced to think that way. Books like the Kite Runner and the Outsiders have stayed with me for years (even if my siblings and I only remember the outsiders by saying “stay gold pony boy”). Where the Red Fern Grows and Freak the Mighty genuinely had me crying while reading them. Tuck Everlasting inspired me to wright a poem Taylor swift style for my final assignment on the book. Every Soul a Star gave little 7th grade me more confidence in who I was as a person then any motivation speaker ever could. Those are just some I could remember off the top of my head. I think what also helped was I often had teachers who were a little unconventional, I never read Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, the Great Gatsby, To Kill a Mocking Bird, Catcher in the Rye, Mice and Men, any of Shakespeare (at least in english class, read random scenes for theatre class). This meant a lot of those books I could choose to read on my own time, slowly read them let it sink in (not stress out my dyslexia lol). I remember for 8th grade English I had to read the Hobbit for a reading group and I HATED IT because I had to read so fast I hardly had time to understand what was happing. I’m sure if I picked it up now I’d enjoy it, but that experience turned me off entirely because whenever I think of the Hobbit I just think of my horrible experiences.

[@mxnny21]

just took two bong rips and this is my first video of yours i’m watching let’s goooo

[@jennawar13]

I am so curious if BIPOC communities/countries had healthier practices for caring for their children considering how literally toxic it was for Victorian children. It would be so interesting especially since they considered themselves and their practices “superior”

[@bbybanshee539]

well children in africa still work down the mines for the mica powder that makes your eyepowder shiney, terrible conditions with children getting crushed, just like my grandpa and his siblings had working down the mines in england, my grandpa started working the mines at 6yrs. so that probably says something there.

[@jennawar13]

@@bbybanshee539 seems like widespread misinformation was the norm when it came to these chemicals Unless it was the effects of colonialism/industrialism and it wasn’t as common previously. Love when Mina does these videos!

[@erincurley1234]

Not all but 100% there are other communities that do it better & England’s colonial impact really messed w traditional child rearing practices. If you google “Inuit child rearing” you’ll learn an example of one!

[@snailart9214]

​​@@erincurley1234be mindful of biases though, like while Inuit children might seem to have a better up bringing we can't take for granted the hardships that they face, especially if we go back another hundred years. It's cold, they also have to work really hard, and there's still really traditional roles for boys and girls that they may not all enjoy. Like surviving is hard ANYWHERE, and especially when it's FREEEEEEEZING. I'm a farmer in Minnesota and it's too cold for me here lol. And I'm really mixed up, my grandma was an immigrant from Mexico and she had to drop out of school to pick fruit as a laborer in like 6th grade. It's hard to know where like, capitalism is the culprit and where just LIVING in the period is the culprit. Or it's sometimes BOTH clearly as in Victorian England.

[@annasolovyeva1013]

​@@erincurley1234 inuits and the other northern ethnicities like them had really high child mortality with their traditional lifestyle.

[@a.a.6789]

One of your best videos, so so good (and sad and heartbreaking), Victorian children (and children everywhere still suffering from malnutrition/famine, diseases, child labour, etc.) were stronger than us all... The kids in Gaza today show how resilient children can truly be when they should be carefree...

[@josheydubs]

I know that when we think of victorian children we think of sickly orphans who are in their final days, but I’m willing to think most of our more “deadly” items are probably safer than what they have.

[@Samantha-hl8lq]

One thing about Dickens that isn't talked about enough in my opinion: when he was 45 he fell in 'love' with an 18-year-old actress. He was married and had kids - his youngest daughter was 18, too. Since a divorce would have been a huge scandal for him, he tried to have his wife Catherine sent to an asylum, which gladly didn't work.

[@KissaLintu]

Fun Fact, Dickens is a must read worldwide. I’m from Chile and I remember reading Oliver Twist at a very short age. It wasn’t even for English class, it was for Language class, he was considered part of the Universal Literature.

[@TylaStark]

the "may i have some more sir?" followed by "i hate you" just about killed me lmfao

[@stellalindstrom2575]

I have no idea if you had like chain messages as a kid. You know like "if you don't send this to 10 other people this woman will appear in your room and ect" I NEEEEED someone to talk about the fact that those tiktok manifesting sounds are literally the same thing as chain messages we had as kids 😭

[@Sam-pj2cc]

"It's not right for me to live in NYC and hate my neighbors in this way" 😂😂😂

[@13realmusic]

As an aspiring Victorian Child, this video really gave me hope!

[@Plumpers]

The internet is so weird, I’ve only ever thought of Victorian children as incredibly resilient due to the hardships they had to endure as children.

[@luizaaikawa]

it's such a shame that the education system doesn't make reading more fun bc usually the books chosen as part of the curriculum are important pieces of literature. it's fairly frequent that they are GOOD books

[@itsROMPERS...]

Otoh, for upper middle class people this era was a rush of high tech development. Things like appliances, washing machines and other devices were introduced at a dizzying rate much like the second half of the 20th century with computers, cell phones, and Internet. The people then felt like they were living in the cutting edge future.

[@HistoireHistoria]

Dayum 1.8K views in less than 20 minutes... I'm so proud of you Mina... You've come so far I hope you have many successes in the future as well :))

[@smolcutie1773]

My favorite adaptation of A Christmas Carol is the 2009 movie. The first time I watched it was when it was released in theaters. I was born in 2002 so I was only seven when I watched it for the first time and it scared the shit out me although now that Im more mature its my favorite Christmas movie along with The Polar Express.

[@noelletakesthesky3977]

Polar Express is underrated. It always gets to me, and the song Believe always makes me cry.

[@palakjain406]

Read ‘Songs of Innocence and Experience’ both the Chimney sweeper. Blake did an amazing job with the poem. Makes you feel a lot of emotions

[@justine4652]

My favorite required reading was always Shakespeare, but I also loved The Great Gatsby. At the time, I didn't like Heart of Darkness, Brave New World, or Fahrenheit 451, but I appreciate them now as an adult.

[@elisemigacz6254]

I had to read Fahrenheit 451 twice in school (my school system was weird). Once in 7th grade and once in 10th grade. I hated it the first time, but now it's one of my favorite books. I also loved reading Shakespeare, which we unfortunately only read Romeo and Juliet. Every other Shakespeare play I've read was on my own

[@justine4652]

@@elisemigacz6254 oh that's too bad! We read one every year except junior year, which reminds me that that is the year we also read The Scarlet Letter and I absolutely loved it. We also read Dante's Inferno the year before and that was amazing too. I read some Shakespeare on my own too. We read As You Like It and Romeo and Juliet in junior high, then in high school we read Much Ado About Nothing, Julius Caesar, and Macbeth. On my own, I read Twelfth Night, Othello, Hamlet, The Tempest, and A Midsummer Night's Dream.

[@elisemigacz6254]

@@justine4652 I forgot that I also read Much Abo About Nothing in highschool. Twice actually, in theater and in English

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

I recently watched a documentary on KZbin about “work houses” because the show Call the Midwife kept mentioning them. I was watching it and kept thinking, wow this is Dickensian. Turns out I was right!

[@Sophia-Sews]

I suggest also reading the books call the midwife are base upon in the early seasons, and inspired by from season 4 and onward. They are able to tell the stories of Jennifer's time as a midwife in more detail, and give a bit more context concerning situations and social issues.

[@ariverbythesea]

Asking the important questions, Mina. Also, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a Happy New Year to you and everyone!

[@edbar4097]

Hey horsie girlll I'm writing my thesis on horsemanship in Victorian literature. Would love to hear you talk about riding habits (the clothes women wore to ride) because I came across this while researching and it's not really my topic but so interesting. I read Alison David's article on the Riding habit and found it a super interesting prism for discussing women's gradual liberation

[@AJ-hm5qe]

We learnt about child labour in school and I've always wondered if a child chimney sweep ever died in the chimney and nobody realised and one day the family was just chilling in the sitting room and the body just fell out. It's dark, but odds are it happened at least once

[@maryeckel9682]

They could and did get stuck. The head sweep would usually be aware sooner rather than later, because his business relied on them, but I'm sure they weren't always able to get them out in time. Poor little guys

[@dg2517]

That was amazing! Thank you. So grateful to be alive today.

[@karinadiazdeleon3604]

I actually love these kinds of videos and i love all the little fun facts you put in them ,so keep up the what ever pops in your head videos 😊

[@ReignBeauofTerror]

I love the depth you've brought to this conversation!

[@98unicorngirl]

This was a unique topic for Christmas time! I think it’s pretty relevant since I kinda associate modern Christmas celebrations with Victorian era traditions

[@jackm.t.4073]

This video was genuinely so gripping, I loved your take on this

[@FrederickGautier]

New Mina Le during the holidays! Cheers. Have a good end of year, Mina!

[@bahbsie]

I’m so glad you made this video! It was extremely informative and interesting. Thank you!

[@sherrylefanu]

Thank you so much for everything you make, Mina! All the stuff you make is so fun and interesting. :)

[@YarnluvinLizzy1]

You really brought the true spirit of Christmas to life for me. Thanks for all your hard work this past year. 🌲

[@isabelletenorio2911]

Mina, thats why i love you so much, you bring videos that no one asked for before yet, once we watch them, we get like "omg i needed/ im glad to know about this". I like following your channel because i never really know what is coming next, i just know im gonna enjoy it. Great video as always ❤

[@rosieposie582]

we had to do Oliver twist in school and its still actually one of my fave classics. it could just be me liking the Victorian child/ historical trope.

[@biggestarcticmonkeysfan]

omg you posted this vid at the perfect time, bc in school i’m learning abt the victorian era and industrialization rn!!!

[@dialkforkaty]

always love your commitment to matching the look to the topic, this one is so good loll

[@taylorn9361]

What a great concept for a video, Mina! Every time I watch your videos I feel like my cool classmate is giving me a presentation on something interesting. Thank you!

[@KatieGln]

I love your videos and how all over the place they are. ❤I’m here for it all. Have a great holiday!

[@martifinan998]

Lady, you are an amazing researcher and presenter! Everything I've seen you create is so fun, so lush, and superbly interesting. I love watching your work!

[@daniellemhall1358]

Now i want to make a series of faux Victorian books about a school admitting only the 'best' orphans. I can just imagine them looking at the applications like "Ewww this one has a murderer for a mother... But his benefactor is donating £100 so..."

[@angie1119]

You're my absolute favorite KZbinr! I especially love your historical content🤩🤩🤩

[@HamsterClo]

Mina, I love your videos, especially when they seem to be on a weird and random topic that you're deeply interested in. Please make more about anything you want!

[@cathy4697]

You are my favourite channel mina. There's no guessing with your next commentary topic, and its always a great time

[@cloudgoose]

I loved this video! I think you’re a good researcher and synthesizer of knowledge, and that’s one of the reasons I watch your content. I’m down to hear about whatever interests you.

[@keelstunezzz]

absolutely loved this video thank you mina for giving victorian children a chance

[@hihhuhuijaa4165]

Love the editing on this one!!! Laughed a looots thank you

[@kitt3526]

I absolutely LOVED this video!!! I hope you have a great break!♥️♥️♥️

[@FairLadySpiny]

Justice for victorian children. They were badass.

[@pizmeyre5055]

Mina, I absolutely love that you used clips from Svankmajer's "Alice." Such a great flick.

[@VideosForYou90]

This was one of my favorite videos of yours, I LOVE it when you dive into history :)

[@brittany1382]

so glad you shared a more experimental video with us :) what a fascinating topic, and using a meme as the framing made it funny and entertaining too :D

[@heavenjb]

Wow!! off topic a bit 🤯 YOU literally had a hold on my BRAIN!!! 🧠 when you mentioned how hard it was to read books that you were TOLD to read in school!! I related to this so deeply!!! I’m 53 so in MD/HS: in the 80s. And the small town NYS school I went to was very close to BARD College. A lot of snobbery amongst my teachers.. The MS teacher assigned some amazing books BUT they were way over the understanding of my then 12-15 yr old mind!! Hemingway, Dickens just a lot of MALE authors few female….and I had the hardest time grasping anything these male authors were saying! We were also too young & didn’t have the historical context yet to truly get into these books! Our MS def assigned these books way too early for us!! Maybe since we hadn’t gone over certain time periods in history yet!?? Could be one main reason we had trouble!!? Another thing (my top rated school of NY did)?? back in the 80s? They assigned reading groups for 6th grade by NUMBER!!! 1-6 the higher number?? The “dumber” you were according to my school. Me? I was in group 4 (due to poor comprehension and fear of speaking in front of others!!) 😣 In this class we were forced to read up in front of a bunch of boys and girls and this is the worst period of any child’s life in MS, mortifying! It was complete torture!! Thank God later in 2000’s my kids reading class was not like this!! The things I went through thank God schools don’t really do anymore!?!as if MS wasn’t hard enough But like you mentioned… in your intro, I LOVED reading just not what I was assigned by men!!! 💕 in MS I was always found in the library even during lunch! Yes I did read some trash, some flowers in the attic, ha etc….ha but I also read Anais Nin ( I’m surprised my library had her) Sylvia Plath, flannery o Connor Alice Walker and Kurt Vonnegut jr…and other (mostly) female writers that i preferred to read over the male teachers fav male historical authors… to be judged for my reading and put in a numbered group really messed up myself esteem for a while until college! And now? I’m a school librarian! Screw you middle school!men!!

[@vaguelyartrelated9226]

As far as I'm aware the beer in victorian era was not as alcoholic as it is now. They consumed it instead of water, since water was so dirty and unhealthy. I also watched an interesting video from Kiana Docherty about 30 years of golden age in diet and it was in victorian era. I highly recommend her video. In conclusion she said working class was eating healthier, because they ate cheaper foods like vegetables and "worse" parts of meat like livers, hearts and such. In comparison wealthy could afford leanier meats and more bakery goods which were not as nutricious.

[@gracec6997]

I honestly love the random history videos. They're so fun and interesting!

[@studioghiblets958]

Please continue to make videos just cuz you want to! I love the randomness and it makes it interesting! Like, I clicked this no only because I'm subscribed to you, but also I never really thought about victorian kids before and I'm not gunna find hundreds of other videos coving this subject.

[@aubrey7753]

I’m so sad I can’t find more channels like yours 😢 if anyone knows of any please send them this way! Love your videos and how many visuals you give!

[@polarknight856]

Kaz Rowe is great for historical videos!

[@mariaszn07]

Yesss, i love kaz rowe​@@polarknight856

[@BarBQTaco]

Highly recommend Intelexual Media for great historical and sociological videos!

[@yaoifanfake]

Queen asking the REAL questions.

[@nettedelandtsheer4148]

I look forward to your videos so much omg, i just knitted (part of) a scarf watching this, learning about victorian children? What a world.

[@ultimateskillchain]

This was a great video, as always! Thanks for doing it after all. Did you intentionally wear a Scheels green hat? 😁

[@dalithecat]

Just yesterday, I saw an Adam Conover video about kids on US soil having similar working conditions. I didn’t believe him, so I looked it up, and it’s true. They aren’t chimney sweeps, but they’re working in places like slaughterhouses six days a week. 😮 I’m glad things have improved generally, but I fear we’ve taken one step back (especially considering the global supply chain). Edit: a letter

[@siichaq]

Queen Mina posts and I click!!

[@maggieg8913]

Favorite video of yours so far!

[@sweetrebeldy]

As a huge fan of this theme, films and reenarctors groups as "Ragged Victorians", I´m pleased with this complete video. You research was huge. Thumbs up for your cinema captions, like Jan Švankmajer´s Alice film♥