WOULD the F-22 RAPTOR be OP if ADDED NOW? HOW GOOD would it be? - War Thunder

[@ComputerWiz541]

"The only nation that can receive this aircraft is the F-22" Lol.

[@MqncoMarepoto]

blud really needs to take a break

[@Patton33]

@@MqncoMarepoto”I don’t need sleep, I need answers” - Mat, probably

[@Kami-sama.isekai]

@@Patton33 100%

[@The_warthunder_guy]

Bro it would have to be nerfed to high hell if they want to add it. This thing soloed 4 f-15s. Yes, those f-15s. The ones with a 105-0 kill to death ratio in air to air combat, and the f-15 pilots were f-22 pilots, and damn good ones at that

[@MCC7thOdst]

@The_warthunder_guy that’s what I’m saying

[@GeneralArmchair]

US mains would still try to bomb bases with it.

[@silentassassin3674]

you know it can carry bombs right?

[@Shiestyfrm405]

@@silentassassin3674bro just proved the point 😂😂

[@emar5992]

facts

[@zSwax]

@@silentassassin3674 thanks for the laugh

[@og5462]

Yes

[@ruthless-j2k]

0:52 - 0:56 "the only nation that can recieve this aircraft is the F-22"

[@aratay3117]

In it's quest to wipe out enemy aircraft the f22 has become it's own sovereign nation haha

[@trevorwalkerjr.9375]

type shit

[@WarThunderGerald]

What I was about to comment about! lol

[@-..----.--.-...]

So op, that it transcended nations and became the sovereign aircraft

[@sourmenacartel3128]

bro wanted to dish out the pointless bs video quickly lmao

[@FLOURISHIELD]

4:36 The f22 can carry 6 AIM-120's in the center bay and 2 AIM-9's in the side bays

[@silentassassin3674]

C/D model only

[@FLOURISHIELD]

@silentassassin3674 there is only one model

[@sovietbanana4589]

@FLOURISHIELDtalking about the aim-120’s, not the f-22 lol.

[@FLOURISHIELD]

@@sovietbanana4589 oh 😅

[@FLOURISHIELD]

I see, I was wrong. The F22 can carry 4 AIM-120A and B's 😅

[@DownHereInChile]

We’ll get the Raptor before the legacy Hornet at this point

[@charchymakes9455]

its comming early this year

[@Frost_x_NB]

I’m gonna be honest. Stealth is low key pointless in the game. With the way shooting works in air, the size of the maps. Most engaments happen in

[@peposad2588]

And less players, then we can see cool stuff like interceptors and better/longer range missles (also if objectives get reworked we might even see tactical bombers like b1 for example) however without any changes Air RB is just going to die, whole game shortly after

[@M1A2C.]

For now it’s true, but when we get missiles like the AIM-120C/D and MBDA Meteor that will probably change. I imagine we’ll see more EC maps at top tier as well because of it

[@Frost_x_NB]

Sounds good. But if it’s not gonna make gaijin money they won’t do it. Their business model is based of player frustration. They more the players are fueled by rage and frustration to buy more premiums and other “pay to progress shit” they would do it because if they player is actually enjoying and actually gaining something it’s not gonna happen.

[@-..----.--.-...]

​@@M1A2C. Depending on how they will implement them. If these missiles will be basically the current ones with more range, they won't change anything.

[@theghostgeneral]

Stealth isn't pointless because ingame, while people can see you, they wouldn't be able to actually see and lock you on radar.

[@booooooooomm]

Nah it would be fine put it at 9.0

[@-..----.--.-...]

You're joking, but us mains will actually manage to move it there

[@richard38618]

@@-..----.--.-...15.3 will be too low

[@britishbred52]

@@-..----.--.-...exactly

[@TheDanishGuy101]

Well some 9.0-'s got missiles too... so it would need the aim9X

[@Vizzix]

cant believe were at the point where we are talking about the F22

[@isaaclouis4074]

Phlydaily predicted this

[@richard38618]

We are gonna get the F35 and other thrust vectoring vehicles first

[@labroskie91]

@richard38618probably not the f35 because its as stealthy as a f22 and can carry a crazy payload

[@boryss1211]

​​@@labroskie91 F-35A can carry only 4 AIM-120C7/D and 0 AIM-9X (in its internal weapons bay) and has a worse rcs than the F-22

[@Mr_Lukasgrim]

​@@boryss1211 It has way more advanced tech inside it but its not as agile as an F-22 because it has no thrust vectoring. Still it can outmaneuvre an F-16 in dogfight

[@Zerekot]

If im not mistaken, the f22 can carry 6 aim-120Cs and 2 aim 9Xs internal and add 4 more missiles on external pylons.

[@user-cs3qh1uv5y]

I think any type of amraam or aim9m but yes also JDAM 500lb , 2000lb along with drop tanks

[@WarmBread21]

It would probably be aim-120 D’s not c’s

[@jaek4242]

@@WarmBread21 both

[@Patton33]

Yes, the 4 only applies to the 120-A/B as the C has smaller fins, specifically to fit more into the F-22

[@allenliu8820]

@@user-cs3qh1uv5y Only the D model because the D model has clipped wings. The D models were originally just the C's, but with clipped fins, but eventually branched out on its own.

[@KjllShot]

"Is the f22 too OP to add to the game" Bro the F22 is too OP for 'Reality'

[@brodykloster2102]

😂

[@KillerSniper55]

How OP would it be? Yes, all of it.

[@PyroBlonde7777]

This is a European company. It isn't going to be OP.

[@lars7747]

They'll add it with its radar reflectors lol. Cause that's the only time they've detected it. And they bragged about it

[@ddoubleg]

@@PyroBlonde7777it wouldn’t be OP no matter where the company is from and the company is from Hungary

[@killjoy9122]

@@lars7747 the US Airforce has forbidden other friendly armys to talk about their spotting of F22s in europe, it happend serveral times... just like the US Navy has forbidden the german navy to talk about how a german submarine was able to appear right next to a US carrier unspotted

[@lars7747]

@killjoy9122 probably cause we put radar reflectors on them

[@mich421]

I can already imagine people complaining that it's not stealthy enough.

[@Scorchluck]

The most stealthy plane ever built already in the game. I'm more concerned about the missiles that will be introduced into the game at this point

[@NikisAmp-hh4mg]

"NOOoOOoooO THE YT SHORT AMERICAN PROPAGANDA SAID NOTHING CAN DETECT THE F22 THE GAME IS BROKEN!!!!!!!!!111!!!"

[@jetstreamsam4953]

​@@Scorchluck f-22 is detectable, but f-117 is more detectable than f-22, just go, and look it up in the internet. F-117 has a rcs of ±0.001 m², and f-22 has ±0.0001 m², which is 10 times smaller. This is achieved by much more modern composite materials than f-117. F-117 was just a proof of concept, and f-22 is a real tool

[@Scorchluck]

@@jetstreamsam4953 Why not 0.000000001 m²? Where did you get this data from? The RCS of the F-22 in the frontal projection (not including materials) is about 30 dB according to the several studies that are available on this topic, i.e. 0.001 m². There are no data on materials in open sources By the way, the same results are shown by Su-57 in frontal projection (however, it should be pointed out here that the radiated model was less detailed, so the RCS of Su-57 is definitely larger than that of F-22, but not by a very serious number). You can go through and check it out for yourself. English-language sources: - Mauro A. Alves, Rafael J. Port and Mirabel C. Rezende Simulations of the Radar Cross Section of a Stealth Aircraft 2007 SBMO/IEEE MTT-S International Microwave & Optoelectronics Conference (IMOC 2007) - Shen-Shou Max Chung, Yi-Hsin Choud and Yu-Chou Chuang RADAR CROSS SECTION ANALYSIS OF STEALTH FIGHTER DESIGN: KEY FACTORS AND LIMITATIONS OF SIMULATION INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING, VOL.23, NO.6 (2016) - Cheng Liangliang, Yue Kuizhi, Guo Weigang, Yu Dazhao Integration Analysis of Conceptual Design and Stealth-Aerodynamic Characteristics of Combat Aircraft J. Aerosp. Technol. Manag., São José dos Campos, Vol.8, No 1, pp.40-48, Jan.-Mar., 2016 - Panagiotis Touzopoulos, Dimitrios Boviatsis and Konstantinos C. Zikidis Constructing a 3D model of a complex object from 2D images, for the purpose of estimating its Radar Cross Section (RCS) Journal of Computations & Modelling, vol.7, no.1, 2017, 15-28 - Lei Zhu, Xiaolong Liang, Jiong Li, Rui Li Simulation analysis on static scattering characteristics of stealth aircraft 2016 IEEE Advanced Information Management, Communicates, Electronic and Automation Control Conference (IMCEC) (Yes, I have a list of articles on the subject at the ready, because there are always F-22 gooners, yes some of the articles mentioned refer to the F-35, but I'm too lazy to look up which one refers to which plane, I searched for information on this topic more than two years ago). I also have articles in Russian, but I guess you won't be able to read them because automatic translators are very bad at dealing with aviation terminology.

[@Scorchluck]

@@jetstreamsam4953 Ah yes, the RCS of the F-117 is noticeably smaller than that of the Raptor (0.00001 m²) for absolutely obvious reasons: when designing the airplane, the engineers first thought about how to make it invisible, and then thought about how it should fly. It consists entirely of straight planes, the air intakes are covered with radio-absorbing nets, and there are no rounded surfaces at all.

[@MCC7thOdst]

An actual accurate one would be the king of top tier

[@ryanbeach5231]

Chinas 6th gen:

[@potater6819]

@@ryanbeach5231 no one is talking about 6th gen, if that was the case ngad would wipe the floor with chinese 6th gens

[@jaydinweidenbach3292]

@@ryanbeach5231lol no one is scared of chinas 6th gen plane

[@ryanbeach5231]

@@jaydinweidenbach3292 id disagree pal. seems to have garnered a lot of media attention, hasnt it?

[@ryanbeach5231]

@@potater6819 this guys talking about the "king of top tier" which would be a 6th gen. extremely sorry to burst your bubble but the "ngad" doesnt exist.

[@Levi-pp8sq]

The F-22 out-turns the EF and Rafale largely because of drag. External pylons and weapons massively increase drag on the EF/Rafale, especially during high-G turns, thanks to turbulent airflow. The F-22’s internal bays keep its profile clean, minimizing parasitic drag. Add the F-22’s insane thrust-to-weight (~1.26 vs ~1.15) and 2D thrust-vectoring, and it holds energy through turns far better. Rafale/EF might hit comparable instantaneous turns, but sustained? No chance-drag kills them while the Raptor keeps flying clean.

[@BlackOut-zv8sk]

Nah this is like when F14 introduced in the game=first 4th gen+only fox 3 user

[@MqncoMarepoto]

and for 2 years straight

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

The AIM-54s suck, though. Although Gaijin would probably make the F-22 garbage just like the AIM-54s, so you might have a point actually

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

The aim-54s were for a long time absolutely trash, and only got you kills when people were just straight up not paying attention. If you died to it, you were bad or just dumb. Hardly something to boast about, it was nothing like the fox-3s we have now.

[@BlackOut-zv8sk]

@@Iden_in_the_Rain the Pheonix was kinda good back then due to its long range and firing towards enemy that doesn’t have good RWR

[@PyroBlonde7777]

@@MqncoMarepoto The F14 dominated for less than a year before Russia got the R27ER which was able to outrange the AIM54. The MiG23 dominated for over a year and a half with the only all-aspect IR missiles in the game. The F15E acceleration is nerfed, its targeting pod is nerfed, the F15C is missing 2,000lbs of thrust per engine, and F16C rates/climbs worse than the F16A despite having thousands of pounds more thrust... Russian equipment sucks because it's ass.

[@GeorgeWashington11]

I think 5.0 seems fit

[@goldeneaglemercenary7711]

We're not ready for the F-22 and other stealth fighters with newer munitions, and I hope we never see them at all. The latest date I'll accept 5th gen fighters though would be Christmas 2026

[@twaffleproductions]

I know, but if we're being honest, America just has the edge in real life so it has to be added for realism. The F-22 only entered service one year after the Rafale, and the SU-57 entered service 15 years after the F-22. That's why they would just have to add the J-20 and SU-57 in the same update even though they came WAY after

[@leviostrick8307]

"Umm Jeuse Christ" at 2:03 had me laughing lmfao

[@JosiasPira]

5:09 The F-22 doesn't have an IRST, it's being added in the very recent upgrades taking place right now as an external pod

[@JosiasPira]

@watershot5941 Is the F-22 Russian ?

[@JosiasPira]

@watershot5941 Yes, but they're doing it with pods that are probably coated in RAM and are designed to have as little of an effect on the Raptor's RCS as possible

[@slay4karaka351]

This would be a real nice layout for top tier for this year's major updates, I don't know all the possibilities that can be added just something I'd like to see. March: early F18, early Su 30, F-2, early J-16 June: late F18, late Su 30, late J-16 September: Super hornet, Su 35, meteor missile for Eurofighter Rafale and Gripen November: F-22, F-35, Su-57, J-20 December: Big Battleships Tirpitz, Yamato, USS Missouri and Submarines

[@mangosuppe8706]

Early Su-30 aka Su-27PU? Might as well just add the prototype Su-27 then, they're almost the same jet, would literally be a Su-27S but it has two seats instead of one.

[@slay4karaka351]

@mangosuppe8706 well knowing Gaijn they gonna try and put in anything so they can make it to 2025 December update to drop stealth fighters there's not much top tier jets left for them to add i wouldn't be surprised if they drop F-18C/D, Su-30SM, and F-2 in March, June they add the Su-47 as premium or squadron dont add anything else, September add the Super Hornet, Su-30SM2, J-16 then November add the Su-35 and Su-37 Terminator as premium for extra money, and then in December drop all the stealth fighters. Either Gaijin milks whatever variants of the mondern fighters they have left to add until they can get to December update or they dont add any top tier jets for 1 or 2 updates this year. Cause realistically if they continue to add the most modern jets every update by September update We'd be getting stealth fighters

[@mangosuppe8706]

@slay4karaka351 They have tons upon tons of variations of 4th/4.5th gens left to add so that shouldn't be much of a problem, especially seeing how many jets a country can get from subtrees or similar, personally I see no need for Su-30SM2 and MK2 would be bigger of a difference, although personally I'd put MiG-35 instead of both of those Su-30s, 47 I am unsure what they do with or add at all, kinda would be like what the MiG-25 would be if it was added now

[@slay4karaka351]

@@mangosuppe8706 what variations of 4 and 4.5 Gen jets would they add that isn't just a copy and paste with minor differences? Sub tech trees yea they can add more but the top tier jets would be similar air frames.

[@exhausting_thoughts]

There's no reasonable way i'm going to bear an Sparrow-capable F/A-18 and Su-30 by March, both frames are absolutely overdue and that SARH variant of the Hornet became completely DOA between June and September with the ARH meta and Chinese J-10 followed by the imminent arrival of 4.5 gen airframes like the EF and Rafale. No one is gonna bother on grinding the F/A-18A. Not even the A+ variant that has a lackluster performance despite having AIM-120s, and on top it'll probably be hard to balance as most of F/A-18s doesn't have HMS.

[@Someguy12796]

Short answer. YES. Long answer: OF COURSE ITS LITERALLY THE MOST DANGEROUS AIRFRAME EVER BUILT TO THIS DAY. EVERY GAME WOULD BE A DOWNTIER😂

[@Rusted-studios]

The only aircraft that can compare is the su-57 and j-20

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

@@Rusted-studios the first is just 4.5 gen, the second has a 50% chance of not working at all lol

[@OneMoreDesu]

No. Both of those jets produce far more electricity than the F-22, and we all know that is the true measure of a 5th gen aircraft because we aren't 12 year olds who think stealth is the only 5th gen feature.

[@Nikko557]

It would be monster, even without the HMD, just give it 40G - 50G missiles and its God Tier, even then it'll still be a adversary not to fuck around with

[@CosmicCraftingTV]

@@OneMoreDesuSu-57 is a glorified 4.5++ gen fighter, in terms with the latest eurofighters and Rafael’s in most metrics including stealth, the J-20 is the only worthy competitor, a lot of people like to pretend the j-20 isn’t a worthy 5th gen fighter, even if it’s slightly worst then the f-22 it’s still a 5th gen and can still beat the su-57, eurofighter, etc etc.

[@daholl8942]

as far as i know while the f22 does not have a hud, it does have off-boresight firing so you don't need to keep nose on, just enough to get a lock.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Avarik and its team did such a great work with that model

[@ScourgeZer]

4:36 AiM-120Cs not A or Bs because the main reason the C has their little fin chipped is to get inside the F-22. 5:10 It does not have an IRST initially, but later installments/upgrades gave it the capability of an IRST. It wasn't in the initial production because it was too expensive and which is why the HMD was cut out too. But later installments/upgrades as previously said gave it IRST along with HMD, HMD capability much like the F-35 so nearly a full 360° view Those are minor corrections lol

[@Janno32_]

It can carry four AIM-120A or six AIM-120C/D. The IRST and better HMD is with the current prototype so it will probably not be added anytime soon.

[@brodykloster2102]

@Janno32_the aim 120a/b don’t fit inside the internal bays, the c/d is the only one it carries, but I’d see this jet being added when we already have the c/d in game tho

[@Janno32_]

@@brodykloster2102 No, they can carry them, but less. The smaller c is just so that they can carry more.

[@ClankerWanker]

F22 is supposed to have good energy retention and supposedly out rate the f16 IRL but I’m not 100% on that. It should retain its energy better than something like a su57 though just with less instantaneous pull

[@aquilesca5tr0]

the f22 isn´t mean to dogfight though, it´s completely designed as a supersonic bvr fighter

[@ClankerWanker]

@ dude are you being serious right now? It gets 28 degrees/second SUSTAINED at 20,000 ft….. it literally shits all over everything, the one area it’s lacking in is the HMD. It’s like the one American aircraft made to be the king of dogfighting AND BVR

[@ralphyreece4687]

@@aquilesca5tr0 It has thrust vectoring. It is meant to be able to dogfight.

[@aquilesca5tr0]

@@ralphyreece4687 thrust vectoring is meant to increase pitch authority at 50 thousand feet

[@ralphyreece4687]

@@aquilesca5tr0 a BVR aircraft would be like the F-15, not f22. A slower, smaller, less missile aircraft with a focus on maneuverability.

[@ScourgeZer]

Little fun fact, the F-22 engines produce more thrust than the F-15C at full AB, super cruising and more thrust than a full AB SR-71 in Fully AB. But that doesn't mean it can go as fast as the SR-71 because airframe limitations

[@formedblackhawk_4259]

Really depends on how Geijin decides to add it, will they add new missiles with it? At the end of the day it all comes down to the missiles at top tier, the f-22 will be extremely maneuverable, fast, and won’t be able to get picked up by radars. It’ll be strong, but not much stronger than f-15s with AAMRAM spam, basically a jet that you can’t radar lock unless you are right next to it, won’t really be crazy

[@guimbitencourt]

5th gen should be a separate tier so never get queued against 4.5 or less. I think the late 4.5 will be at 14.7 perhaps 15.0 BR, so the F-22, F-35, Su-57, J-20 should be like 17.0. It’s a whole new level of technology, airframe and weaponry.

[@primehsh]

Top 4.5 gens can compete with the F-22 lol. It'll probably be the best FM in the game but won't have the best loadout

[@M3D1C1]

The F22 has three internal bays, the large bay in the belly can hold 6 120’s, then there’s two more bays located on either side of the large bay. These bays can carry 2 aim9’s each. Then there are 4 mountable hard points on the wings giving the F22 the ability to carry 12 missiles total. (The exterior hard points do effect the overall RCS of the F22)

[@existanimal0]

No, each outer bay only carries 1 aim9

[@FunkyMonkey-oj9md]

The only nation that can receive the F-22 is the F-22

[@mich421]

I have never heard of this nation maybe because it is a stealth nation

[@brannonmeador1792]

It’s flight performance alone is insane, my brother flew the raptor and he said he could easily go over Mach at sea level without after burner

[@INeatFreak]

I mean the Mig-29 was able to hold lock while notching, Su-27 had 6x R-27ER's and made BVR unplayable for every other nation, Gripen was invincible in furballs with infinite countermeasures and broken flight model, why would this be a problem when it's F-22? Things like this never stopped Gaijin.

[@damirvakhitov9213]

The one time the MiG was "broken OP" it just had a flight model that was equivalent to the F-16 in broad terms (ER wasnt half as opressive a people think it was due to phoenix spam), the soviet radars are quite gimped and the gripen could be outdogfighted by block 10's, the thing that made it OP was AIM-9M slinging and infinite countermeasures. Currently the F-15E still dominates top tier.

[@INeatFreak]

@damirvakhitov9213 all wrong lmao, current dominant is Typhoon and Rafales, F-15E can only kill noobs who don't know how to notch and chaff, it's engine got nerfed and is slightly worse than Typhoon now in acceleration, it doesn't have manevourability to keep up with these two. F-16 block 10 didn't had 9M's, infinite countermeasures, that's really dumb comparison. And Su-27 was dominant, R-27ER's would still hit you on non-flat maps and even on flat ones could still sometimes with IOG. And R-73's are more guaranteed than 9M's, they are unflarable after certain point and have thrust vectoring but 9M can be flared at any distance just by poppin flares and turning

[@damirvakhitov9213]

@@INeatFreak The F-15E still easily breaks mach two and retains speed quite well, its an orbital strike platform. ERs used to miss all of the time with old multipath and the phoenix was more dangerous due to hige explosive mass and yes i made a mistake i meant the gripen. Though on release the limas were IRCCM since theyd constantly relock on your engine, which made them very difficut to flare meanwhile russian IRCCM during its release locked onto countermeasures making them more useless than R24T.

[@Janno32_]

​@@damirvakhitov9213 That was pre-nerf. It can still go Mach 1.7 but doesn't retain Mach 2 in a turn anymore. It is still good, but I prefer the Eurofighter because of its better turn.

[@INeatFreak]

@Janno32_ exactly, against an competent player it comes into who can go in for the notch first and have missile manevourability to hit off bore targets, which is why Rafale+MICA combo is so deadly below 10km, Typhoon is still good but AMRAAMS doesnt pull as much but you have shit ton of chaff and way better maevourability than F-15E, reason why I said F-15 can only kill noob players because it's only good at range and depends on enemy not dodging your missiles in like 40 seconds it takes missile to get there.

[@Kesiter123]

The only good think about the F-22 would be its radar and maneuverability, maps are too small for stealth to be relevant

[@aquilesca5tr0]

Stealth is always relevant, if they implement it well enough changing aspect would break locks at less than 10km

[@Kesiter123]

@ not really, the kind of radar we have ingame like the one on the su-34 and rafale (AESA radars) can detect stealth aircrafts at up to 40-60km

[@aquilesca5tr0]

@@Kesiter123 deteting it doesn´t mean it will be able to hold a lock

[@zeusson4425]

@@aquilesca5tr0 it will lock f22 easy

[@twaffleproductions]

@@zeusson4425 absolutely not

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

A way to balance it out would be to add HOBS IIRAAMs like ASRAAM, AIM-9X, IRIS-T, Python-5, PL-10, AAM-5. Another would be missile datalink and FLIR cuing by RWR, allowing detection and tracking of F-22s at range. Things like Meteor, R-37M and PL-15 would help as well.

[@CounterfeitDuck]

AIM-120 A/B already covers the whole average map.

[@CounterfeitDuck]

@watershot5941 Easy to say...

[@CounterfeitDuck]

@watershot5941 What about existing maps then?

[@Your_Average_Warthunderer]

Damn, I remember joking with people about the F22 coming into the game and how it would come into the game in like 2035. But it's a lot closer than I thought...

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

cant wait for the playerbase to 1. leak documents 2. complain its underpowered 3. proceed to ask for the Incom Corporation T-65 X-wing starfighter

[@themonaclan]

It’s strong enough to where I think it would probably need own game mode just so the BR‘s don’t get destroyed

[@monkeypilot2034]

can we get a video dedicated to the su30sm and how it would change dogfighting?

[@Pedarkhor]

F-22 in WarThunder = Classified F-22 documents in WarThunder forums And Im gonna be the first to do it

[@Mr_Lukasgrim]

Will you ever sleep?

[@brodykloster2102]

The f22 carries 6 aim 120c/d internally and 2 aim 9m or the 9x, so it would have 8 missiles and can carry external missiles but it would ruin the stealth, not 4 but 6 AMRAAMs, it never carried the a/b AMRAAMs because they never fit in the bay, the c has the smaller fins and was able to fit into the bay which is why it used it

[@tylergarrett4498]

It's stealthy enough that AWACs would have to radiate at max in a specific area and still have to hope they can pick out the noise and scatter from the plane. F-22s have snuck up on a lot of planes that were hunting for it in Red Flag exercises.

[@M1A2C.]

When the F-22 is added Gaijin will have to add literally every other 5th gen too. Su-57 for Russia, J-20 and J-31 for China, and the F-35 for the U.S. and the EU + Japan and Israel. (France and Sweden would get Dutch and Finnish F-35s respectively) That’s the only way we don’t get another F-14A situation.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

There aren’t any non-US 5th Gen aircraft, though. The Su-57 is really just a 4.5 gen, and the J-20 and J-31 have several design choices that makes their stealth questionable.

[@CosmicCraftingTV]

@@Iden_in_the_Rainthe j-20 and j-35, while not as good at their respective American counterparts would still be better in some areas, just think of it as the same meta as rn, like with the j-10A, while it’s not the best fighter it’s still pretty decent and better then the Russian ones, it basically would just be this meta but in 5th gen, expect if they model the f-35 correctly or butcher it, it could be on par with the j-20 or the best 5th gen in the game.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

@@CosmicCraftingTV the canards alone should make the J-20 an order of magnitude or two bigger during any form of maneuver, the J-35 might be one of those cases where IRL deficiencies don’t show up in game, though.

[@CosmicCraftingTV]

@@Iden_in_the_Rainstill could be considered a 5th gen, compared to the su-57.

[@2012Orest]

Su 57 is not 5 gen jet. They don't heve avionics and stealth. Only mach 1 cruise speed and after Chinese air show we have tons of questions about it...​@@CosmicCraftingTV

[@chickenhawk8591]

if Gaijin added the f-22 a countdown clock would begin for the game getting shut down because of the sekret document leak

[@technolibra]

i would hope that they make it harder to be locked onto since it is a stealth aircraft

[@cvnt-x5t]

In war thunder? - It will be just good, on the level of planes added next update IRL? - We literally don't and can't know

[@nailujgilroy501]

I feel like war thunder opened a Pandora’s box with the f-117

[@Xhill14]

even more op, if they added the F 35, F 22 to fight alongside it because it’s also an American aircraft

[@brodykloster2102]

Yes the f22 is heavy, but it has 35,000 lbs of thrust per engine which is insane, it also have thrust vectoring and a very large wing area, it will feel as nimble as an f16 but yet has the maneuverability of a bi plane, not only will it accelerate the fastest, it’ll also be able to super cruise at Mach 1.6, if yall thought the eurofighter was fast and op, think of the f22, it also uses missiles internally so it won’t have any drag which is a huge benefit in terms of flight characteristics, its flight performance will be op, and compared to the f35 and su57 and j20, the f35 has more thrust but it’s limited in top speed, so it should accelerate a bit faster at low speeds but higher speeds it’ll be slower, the su57 has weaker engines and a lower top speed, it also climbs slower and would accelerate slower since its weaker engines, unless they add the su57m, the j20 is a fat brick but has descent engines, it has a high top speed but looking at air shows it looks sluggish and not maneuverable, the f22 will kinda wipe the park even when later 5th gen’s are added

[@Nero-Caesar]

Thank God the RCS experts are here to keep us informed on classified equipment

[@bald_eagle4377]

ok soo just a little be of clarification. depending on what model of 22 the devs add. there are currently 3 models, the yf22, f22A, and now the upgraded 22a. while the yf22 is the prototype it still is an a model though and though minus better stealth coting and a slightly worse radar and had less powerful GE engines . The A dose have HMD, but dose not have IRST, the upgraded A model has IRST.

[@joshconnaught9347]

concerning its stelath, the big problem for gaijin is figuring out how to balance the plane, just cause you can detect the f22 doesnt mean you can lock onto it and shoot it down. Warthunder just dipped its toes into the stealth aspect of planes (f117), and we havent even gotten the f18 yet. Highly doubt it wount be until at least 2-3 years before something like this is added into the game, this is literally the pinnacle of stealth and the f22 is regarded as one of, if not the best jet fighter on the planet (anyone who argues against this point I'd love to hear what plane you think can beat it)

[@shadow_spark8788]

I think it can be added right now without being a game breaker. Give it 4 AIM-120A/B. No HMD. And to fire AMRAAM from 40-50 km you need to be >10km & >M 1.5. If Gaijin gonna implement effect of large radar return in X-band from shockwaves above M 1.2-1.5, F-22 is not gonna ruin the game. AIM-120C-5 can be added retroactively.

[@robidius]

If not the end of 2025 then mid 2026 for the 22. But I'd still want the E18 Growler and ECCM jamming mechanics before full stealth game play. Kinda like support aircraft. Imagine having a jammer flying around to where you can't see targets until almost Visual range on radar so that would put everyone on the same playing field unless they take out the jamming aircraft first. What comes to mind is the first Gulf of Sidra incident when they jammed Mig 25 so completely that 2 F14 pulled up beside gave the bird and took a picture because they couldn't be seen

[@Hazmat-assassin]

It carries 8 missiles internally 6 amrams and two aim-9x

[@ReconSamurai896]

the f 22 can't carry aim 120a/b, the aim 120c was made to fit into the bay of the f 22.

[@Janno32_]

It can carry four AIM-120A or six AIM-120C.

[@GodOfChaos_HeXa]

I dont think that a 22 ton non deltaeing non canard would beat the rafale or eurofighter just because of good engines and thrust vectoring in a dog fight. The apg 77 would also only be one of the curently best radars, becuse we barely have any aesa radars, CAPTOR-E for example would be much better becuse it can guide missiles while notching since it has a 180°+ fov because its not just a fixed aesa plate but its mounted at an angle and can rotate and pivot just like mechanical scan radars. The main benefit would be the stealth but with warthunders small maps it wouldn't matter, wikipedia says detection range for CAPTOR-E is around 59kM for a F-35 so on currnt top tier stealth wouldn't really matter. It would also lack very strong fox 3s which European 4,5 gens have like the Meteor which is far superior to the Aim120s. At the end of the day gaijin would find a way to balance it and looking at the curent way stealth is implemented and modern Radars like CAPTOR-M and the FRENCH AESA on the Rafale are modeled i think it would largely be a huge disappointment to the community.

[@tYlrfcil]

7:55 whos cough

[@小林-v1f]

i think it will never be op because gaigin will give it a huge nerf for some "balanced" reason.(also because it is US aircraft)

[@troy_pl1138]

yeah, and buff su57 because its russian bias, so russian must be a best

[@viniciussccz]

@@troy_pl1138 "russian bias" meanwhile su-27 being the most underperforming aircraft in top tier rn:

[@leotsering]

@@viniciussccz with a weirdly buffed armament and literral ability to somehow tank multiple missile, maneuver after getting badly damaged, kill you whithout aiming properly

[@Rek1emMScar]

@@troy_pl1138 Under what rock its this PoS is living... Russian has being left to rust by gaijin.. No new tank like for a year and they have a lot of tank to be add. su-27 was a complete disaster because gaijin use T-10 manuals to make Su-27sk FM and its being like that since Su-27 was introduce and only was slight solve in the last patch... The plane still don't have the correct Oswald eff.. R-77 still has bad drag FM. While Western aircraft are overperforming.

[@viniciussccz]

@@leotsering what buffed armament does russia have, R-77 is the worst fox 3 probably

[@corneliuspratt5463]

F-22: would you intercept me… I would intercept me 😂

[@russianreaper7716]

Getting the raptor would be cool and all if they made it based off of the unclassed information and not pull another “we feel this or that” but I would really like to see an F15 active with restored hardpoints

[@HankyInTheTanky]

So I had an idea to kinda make it fair, from reading on Wikipedia Japan and Australia both were interested in the Raptor but obviously the US said no, so gaijin could go the Japanese F-16AJ route and add the F-22 to Japan and UK (Australia) to atleast give them something, while giving Russia the SU-57 and China the J-20. Then the next update or the one after is when you introduce the F-35 for everyone just about, J-35, and if gaijin really wants to give Russia the SU-75 even tho it’s just a mock up as far as we are aware

[@serhulky97-ru6zd]

If f-22 came out we would need a 16.0 br.

[@treyfloyd6003]

And remember this is assuming they add the first block f22 and not the upgraded f22s

[@Astrofax2.0]

well the rafale has some stealth capabilities yet we still don't have them in the game so i don't think it will come any time soon

[@aaronthe747fan]

I could see 2 ways the F22 is added either after the mig35 Su 35 F2A Gripen E and the J10B and C before the f22 or they add the F35 and the F22 at the same time which would allow for the J20 and Su57 and SU-57M to join the game aswell i just dont see the F22 coming without the F35

[@mich421]

Yes those planes should all be in one update for all nations I can imagine a dev server that lasts 2 months to "balance them "

[@EPsuperFan]

you can also imagine the number of people playing this "top-top" tier and how many directly buy their way here... tbh i don't think a balanced meta like mig15 vs f86 will ever have a chance of returning.

[@LK911]

0:03 Alicorn, huh, another Ace Combat vehicle in custom battles inside War Thunder. Wait... F-22A is too. MOBIUS 1 HERE!!!!!

[@Armata6348]

Can you make a tutorial on how to install these mods? It never works for me, and I only see the ground when I start a mission.

[@204-venus]

we got mobius 1 taking off from the alicorn in war thunder before gta6

[@fdenrico9861]

Mat, what if, gaijin purposefully nerf it by making it to always use External hardpoint, thus compromising Stealth? I think it will be more balanced

[@Aexgamer48]

im pretty sure it can carry 8 missiles in its inside bay

[@_boney]

Looking at the average air to air combat irl and in WT planes like the Rafale and EF2000 still have a a chance. BVR in the cold war and after it has been a low amount of the total air to air kills so far. And in WT its even less. So if the maps stay like they are many fights would still end up at ranges were the F22 can be beaten.

[@michaelbraun74]

If they add this plane, they’ll probably add AIM9X and the AIM120D

[@lucasdelgado9066]

they would have to add thrust vecotring to it

[@y.m.9277]

What they would do to other nations is that they will put F-35 as placeholders for the rest. So USA, USSR, and China will have unique stuffs, maybe Sweden with KF-21. Then UK, Israel, Italy, Japan will have F35. Germany and France will likely also get F35 as placeholders for balancing reasons.

[@mechanix1945]

And since Russia has the high maneuverability R-73s, it should get the aim 9Xs

[@_Av3nTad0R_]

F-22, F35, Su-57 and any other stealth jet should have their own BR, so high, that no other jet other then these should encounter each other

[@Asghaad]

not how monetization scheme for this game works im afraid ... you are ON PURPOSE put up against things you have no chance against to manipulate you into rushing the tech tree which motivates you to spend money ...

[@WarThunderGerald]

I really wondered about this as honestly the benefits of it is the strealth and things that don't matter in this game much now.. You almost need it to remotely compete with Eurofighters and Rafiels - I wondered if adding this what it would be like I don't think it would be as OP ass everyone thinks it would be.. US air design without frontal canards and delta wing design there's not the maneuverability.. The stealth features of this make it great IRL but in game it honestly could be a viable op[tion for the US. to have!

[@Asghaad]

so you dont see how a plane that you have to get closer than 20km to to even be able to engage it while its armed with radar that can see you at any time, can track you even in perfect 90 degree notch (max deflection of F-22 AESA is 120 degrees when combining mechanical swivel with electronic beam deflection ...) and weapons with 30km no escape zone would be a problem in the game right now ? ...

[@12LoLproductions]

Salvation from Crisp White Sheets

[@BigSolo21]

I feel like theres no problem with adding it. After all its the pilot not just the aircraft that makes it lethal

[@fw-190]

If you want we can do a 1v1: you take the BF-109 and I take the latest mirage. You will loose. The pilot is important but the plane itself is as important

[@Pioneer_DE]

„Would a plane that was specifically made for BVR missle spam be OP in a meta of BVR missle spam? The answer will shock you!“

[@judemurielbonite6054]

To be fair, IRL US literally has a law that they can't sell the 22 to other countries

[@RebelTyrantKing]

They should do the yf-23 as a premium lol I hope the F-22 and F-15ex comes soon

[@aquilesca5tr0]

Imagine the us tech tree with 3 f35s

[@bc6189]

0:01 when’s the alicorn from AC7 come to warthunder?

[@Frost_x_NB]

I’m calling 2026 - 2027 the latest. They would also probably add the J20 and Su57 at the same time. Gaijin would want the F22 to be slapping every thing with no counter of course 😒

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

And every other nation will get the f 35

[@RTD01-u7o]

The only problem being the Su-57 severely lacks behind the F-22 and even the J-20 when it comes to stealth.

[@dsg4500]

@@RTD01-u7oeeeh... i see a lot of slander from the t50 prototypes being thought as production models, sure it wont be the best stealthy, but for the game they can just fudge the numbers to make it fair

[@howtobenormal5497]

Hope the su57m gets finished hope we can get that in game

[@INeatFreak]

@@RTD01-u7o stealth won't be as important in this game since everybody knows which direction enemies coming from and when, it's very effective IRL because you don't know when and where from they can attack and radar can't help with that either.

[@ThatFluffyFoxxy]

0:00 yes.

[@Marco-cg7fb]

In this current meta i’m not sure the f22 would even be that op. The stealth is thought to hold up to around 15-20km, depending on the opponents radar and aspect. And given we add some better fox 3 missiles, and make independent seekers based on the model, instead of having the same shitty radar module on every single fox 3 missile. On top of it, it doesn’t have much countering ir, so jets with an IRST could still se it pretty far out

[@Nawrotsien]

Frankly, I think Gaijin would make F-22, 35 and even Su-57, J-20, J-31 etc. fairly equal

[@MrRobschnieder]

F-22 - 19.7 tons Su-27sm - 26.3 tons F-22 is going to be a middle weight following the likes of the EF2k and Rafael just a little heavier but definitely not like the f-15s and Su-27s.

[@thatdudefrom7118]

The only possible way it wouldn’t be is if they gave it a stupidly neutered missile kit

[@sosigakaweinerman869]

I mean.. Even if it gets added in the future. What the hell would countries like sweden realistically use to counter it? An F-35 maybe? But that's about it

[@atriplex6002]

Bro talks more than average diva in paradise

[@joaquinsalahel-din5810]

if this happens we need bogger SIM maps ASAP

[@SkunkdMonk]

I honestly don't think it would be insanely OP in game. I don't play Sim, so maybe in sim the stealth will mean anything. But it doesn't in Realistic. In IRL training battles, when in close ranges the Rafale and Eurofighter can compete very well with the F22 in the types of parameters that Warthunder uses in matches. It will certainly have a slight edge, but nothing insane. But even the edge might be taken away because of its early 90s equipment that is just now being replaced. The America tree players will cry every time they get shot down by anything, so that will make it a fun addition.

[@slay4karaka351]

looking forward to the Su-57 version of this vid

[@easonxiao6169]

Considering that every nation except Russia and China could receive a F-35 variant, I don't think it's going to be that overpowered.

[@sirbowserfelix9293]

My bet is that Gaijin will start teasing the F22 by the second semester of this year. Don't get wrong though, I'm not saying it Will come this year, I am saying that the F22 will be the next Tomcat, in the sense of how long they teased the aircraft and kept the hype through the roof untill it would Finally come. The F18 is not quite what the F14 was in terms of hype, I'm sure it will come by July or so, but I think they will add other aircrafts with trust vectoring, like the Su30, and stealth features, like the F117 we already have, so when the F22 comes, it will 'just add' features we already have in game in a way or another. And yes, I'm 100% sure we will get the F35 for multiple nations, specially because the F18, like the F16, was used by many nations and many of them are being upgraded to an F35. It will be fun if Gaijin makes all 3 main versions of the F35, though I don't think we will get all 3 at once. To conclude, I don't think the F22 will be added alone, we will get the T50 alongside with it, then we will see the F35s one or two updates later, and of course, the Chinese stealth fighter will also come at some point, though I don't believe it will come with the F22, I would Love to, but I doubt. I think, just like the F35s, it will be the star of it's release event. In short, I think the F22 could come next year, being the actual top tier of them all, alongside all the stealth fighters, maybe at 14.7 or even 15.0 If Gaijin do a new 'final' decompression to better acomodate the stealth jets. I say 14.7 because I believe the F35s, if nothinf changes, would be 14.3, unless Gaijin does the decompression I think will be needed to reach 15.0, being the last BR of the game, Unless they start adding crazy designs, but that is not what Gaijin Often do, specially for aircrafts, though I Know we have a few crazy designs in game already at the late WWII era.

[@No0therG0odOnes]

The leak in the game files was for a mobile ad ;-;

[@abdallah5906]

Hell yeah? That's a solid 10.3 wdym