F-22 Raptor Vs YF-23 Black Widow II | Advanced Tactical Fighter | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@QAjimine1]

C’mon GS, it’s time for you to get behind the stick of a YF-23.

[@mikek9297]

A plane able to do this to the Raptor is the stuff of nightmares.

[@paulsmith277]

1 v 1 with F-22 vs YF-23. No AMRAAMs. Only sidewinders and guns.

[@leeproffitt69]

GS it’s been a while since you’ve gotten your ass kicked like that two rounds in a row

[@AnuViation]

Avro Arrow vs Anything.

[@RockMountainYJ]

I would love to see a rogue raptor targeting Air Force 1 and an entire fleet of F16, F18, etc tasked with stopping the rogue raptor at downing AF1

[@TheSillyFluff]

Yes, please.

[@FlyingFly1315]

I really hope GS sees this this is brilliant

[@dragonback6075]

Hell yeah, that's a fantastic scenario 👍 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Absolutely back this suggestion, be ready for a day series now

[@Chris_Hood]

Too risky a concept, YT algorithm could get the video demonitised Why not have the aggressor force be near peer unallied, that would be the safer bet

[@Frydee123]

Never thought I'd see a squadron of F-22s get their ass kicked like that. The YF-23 is no joke!

[@TheodoreArendsee]

well the F-22s did lose both times but not by much each time it was a one aircraft difference and was likely more to blame on skill rather than aircraft

[@YouTubeIsSeriouslyMessedUp]

Never was a joke, if somethings stealthier than the 22 it's going to have a BVR nightmare

[@johnbrooks6243]

​@@TheodoreArendseeeven after having backing of a AWACS? I do understand yf23 will get below 1 lose to win ratio in dogfight with f22, cuz both crafts have different strengths but U have to admit that yf23 was the stronger opponent here

[@MaddoxLyrics]

They didnt get their ass kicked, although they did win, the stealthier aircraft usually is going to win the BVR fight, Now let them merge and see what happens......... Wont even be close, and thats why the Raptor Won the contract

[@slate4687]

The YF-23 would have been for sure the most advanced aircraft of ATF if fully developed and produced

[@Saltfly]

The 23 looks like a 6th gen fighter. Such a wonder of engineering.

[@YouTubeIsSeriouslyMessedUp]

5.5th gen at best

[@Azdal]

I honestly think a modern F-23 would be closer to a 5.5 gen

[@scoobsshrooms109]

You only say that because you are used to the f22

[@Saltfly]

@@scoobsshrooms109 I’m willing to bet that the new US 6th gen fighter will look more like a 23 than a 22.

[@crosfrancis8239]

@@Saltflyhell no 😂 have you seen the NGAD proposals, look way similar to the f22

[@F15ElectricEagle]

Scene 13:58 - "It feels like you're getting killed by ghosts." Yes, and that's because one of the ghosts is PAV-1, also known as "Gray Ghost".

[@johnaustin6649]

Really liking the way you are showcasing the YF-23. Not nice being stalked is it! 😉

[@Jake_Garcia]

oh trust me, GS knows how it feels 🤣 the f22 lives in his head rent free

[@W1ckedRcL]

​​@@Jake_GarciaI remember watching the video when it dropped where he got formed up by the F22 before being shot down when he was flying the Flanker. Laughed for days. Then again like a week ago a Widow formed up on him while he was in an F15. He's gotta have nightmares 😂

[@jozomrkva]

Yep, I remeber that Flanker too. He even would notice Raptor if Flanker wouldnt had mirrors-orangey thingy in mirror was hint that Raptor is closer to him than comfortable

[@DDayJayke]

Love the part where GS is plotting a 2 v 1, and his buddy immediately gets taken out. But I gotta say, it is enjoyable to watch the Raptor get a taste of its own medicine.

[@danieldickerson4838]

It’s just insane how something that’s bigger and wider than a semi truck can dance and twist in the air as gracefully and easily as it does. The F-22 is an engineering marvel across the board, man. I know DCS isn’t a direct indicator for real life performance for jets like these, but I could only imagine how dominant F-22s would be in actuality against just about everything in the sky.

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

Well said brotha

[@0x_hackerfren]

I'm convinced the f22 is alien technology and nothing will ever change my mind

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@0x_hackerfren The YF-23 is even more alien than the F-22 as seen in the video.

[@MaddoxLyrics]

@@0x_hackerfren Its literally StarScream bruh, a goddamn Decepticon, which indeed is an alien lol

[@CrossWindsPat]

21 tons twisting through the air like a falcon.

[@drdave2020]

I've heard that the F-22 was technically a better dogfighter than the YF-23, but I kind of recall some report decades ago that said in the majority of historical air to air kills, the plane shot down never even knew the other plane was there. Apparently, the superior stealth of the YF-23 takes that statistic and dials it up to 11.

[@slate4687]

Everybody know that the YF-23 concept was more advanced at the time of ATF...the YF23 being more a prototype of a 6th gen aircraft rather than 5th gen one!

[@mattt525]

I think that is why the F22 was picked, it was good enough at the time for what was needed. Then the YF23 was "shelved" or continued development to become 6th gen.​@@slate4687

[@Cronus_1]

​@@slate4687 I always favored the YF-23 in all their testing. I had hoped it would have been their pick. When it wasn't, I was upset, but I had always conspired that it turned onto a dark project and went on for development as a 6th gen fighter. It's just so damn cool.

[@RaijinKaze]

@@Cronus_1The chances of there being a secret 6th gen plane is almost 100%. The US should at most have one already in development. Think about how top secret planes were developed in the past. We may have a plane that is so stealthy that its more akin to a spaceship than traditional aircraft.

[@Cronus_1]

@RaijinKaze this is why I had that theory. It made sense to me.

[@saquist]

Black Widows Thrust to Weight is SICK 1.36! Thats crazy. F22 IS 1.O8...and better than the F16 at 1.1😮

[@theamericancommie727]

F-22 with winders at 50% is the 1.33, F-16 with winders and 50% is 1.25

[@johnbrooks6243]

What's winders explain thanks

[@C0M3T_]

@@johnbrooks6243he means sidewinders but I think that he also means to include AMRAAMs which are heavier and the f22 carries more of

[@CrossWindsPat]

I wouldn't take any of that for empirical evidence. After all the F-22 is true combat spec while the YF-23 was still a test vehicle. Although maybe that is taken into account? This is coming from a YF-23 fanboy BTW.

[@slate4687]

​@@CrossWindsPatdon t forget that majority of Data about the YF23 (especially the PAV2 "gray ghost" with yf120 engines) is completely classified

[@ottopilot7205]

Not a good day when you’re asking, “What is happening.”

[@josephengel1]

I enjoyed the casual near miss on the self-inflicted maneuver kill

[@Rose_Butterfly98]

"Feels like you're getting killed by ghosts" Like a Gray Ghost?

[@XTXImperator]

This is surreal, the mighty Raptor being forced to do Flanker tactics and hide in the mountains and getting its ass kicked in the open. What a terrifying machine the YF-23 is man.

[@rawpraise]

I find it amazing how the Black Widow completely eliminates the Raptor's dominance and fights it on an even keel, even almost outclassing it. Many thanks for this rematch.👍

[@NotMathis]

I SEE BLACK WIDOW I CLICK

[@mikek9297]

They should have taken the black widow as replacement for Tomcat for the Navy like Raptor was supposed to be the new Eagle. Unfortunately the government lacked vision.

[@Nick-rb1vk]

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[@mk6315]

YF23 my beloved

[@guyray1504]

I see SW i click. Love all he does .

[@harbour2118]

@@mikek9297They did have vision, it’s just that their vision was focused on 1. wanting the fighter to match Russian maneuverability (which was basically unnecessary), and 2. wanting to keep Lockheed afloat

[@PhillipChalabi]

I find it amusing that we seem to be going back to the YF-23 philosophy with NGAD and FA/XX. Superstealth at the cost of maneuverability. Must be a ton of faith in the AIM-260 to reach out and touch the stealthy fighters.

[@bluefox9436]

Well with radar systems evolving as well, datalink becoming more and more common, and the rise of actual long range IRST and EO systems even the best stealth fighter can't really get that close to a well organised defense network anymore. Therfore engagement ranges are increasing once again.

[@Asghaad]

@@bluefox9436 its more about high off bore missiles and head mounted targetting making low speed maneuverability pointless ... when you can lob missiles over the shoulder and guide them back on target even if they miss over the datalink the ability to point the nose becomes basically meaningless and not worth sacrificing other aspects of the platform for ... a lesson russians still havent learned yet despite the USSR pioneering concept of HOBS and HMD ...

[@straitouttahell]

Thank you for one more video involving the YF-23. You know what I would really love to see? A dogfight between the F-22 and the YF-23, to see how much of a manoeuverability advantage the F-22 really has (well, according to DCS)

[@spencercarsner5078]

There's already a video on his channel for that

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@spencercarsner5078 That wasn't a dogfight though that was a BVR fight testing the stealth of the aircraft. He's talking guns only, since it would just be AIM9X vs AIM9X otherwise with both firing from any angle they want

[@straitouttahell]

@@spencercarsner5078 Oh, I must have missed it. Until now I only saw BVR, missile based attacks.

[@straitouttahell]

@@weir-t7y I think it will happen eventually.

[@patrickdavis8271]

Thank you for creating a video of my request GS. Excellent video! It’s nice to see a peer aircraft fight the omnipotent F-22. So many times the Raptor dominates engagements. It’s nice to see the King Raptor being hunted on its terms. 😉👍☺️

[@chm985]

Would love to see the reaction of the yf23s makers watching this.

[@S.Matt240]

Ikr

[@CrossWindsPat]

Them: "We fucking knew all along!"

[@rogerforsberg3910]

I suspect something like, "We told you so, you big knuckleheads!"

[@ingusmant]

The 23 already won in the test, going with 22 was an entirely "political" decision.

[@kyokushinkuma]

I love the YF-23, got to see Grey Ghost back in May, they’re even more beautiful in person.

[@TheBluesmon]

Northrop Grumman thought that the challenge was to build the absolute best fighter bar none, whereas Lockheed Martin went for a more traditional approach that would be easier to produce.

[@fadedcrystal4148]

But during atf, the airforce was not sure about northrop Grumman as everyone knows about what happened during development of b2, so they did not want to mess up a fighter jet which was goin to be serving for many years and take role of a air superiority....

[@chairmankaga101]

And ironically it was still cancelled… for being too hard to produce and maintain.

[@radicalxg8282]

Too overengineered for upkeep it seems, F-22 was the perfect balance between the two

[@adquinta]

More than anything it was politics. Northrop already had the B2 contract. To award them with another contract would’ve hurt Boeing. I grew up in an aerospace town which lived and died on government contracts. That’s how those things go.

[@sunray501]

IMHO, I think USAF wanted thrust vector controls. They prob thought we'll have stealth either way, but wanted to out-acrobat the 4th gens as well. Just my 2 cents

[@satcom6]

I teared up a bit at that first impact. And then the second also. These planes are too beautiful to be falling out of the sky like that.

[@garnix6390]

What would really interest me would be YF-23 vs. Su-57

[@YouTubeIsSeriouslyMessedUp]

If BVR terms you would basically be asking for a fight between a UFC fighter with 9 hours of sleep against 8 children in wheelchairs

[@viktorbihar5384]

"Feels like you are getting killed by ghosts" is something nobody every thought GS would say while in the F22😂

[@dannod2943]

Wonder how the YF-23 would have done with AWACs support? Would nice to see you fly the YF-23 for a change....

[@randomnature8493]

As soon as they get a functional cockpit for the YF23 model in DCS we will surely get GS demonstrating it's prowess❤

[@drummy420]

Imagine making something so unbelievably unkillable and also making the only thing that can kill that other thing. Wild.

[@StaK_1980]

Nice to see the YF-23 getting the love that it rightfully deserves! Keep producing more of these! 🙂

[@herecomesbob3829]

The utter decimation of the f-22 squad has given me even more respect for an aircraft that I already had much respect and love for (granted DCS isn't 100% accurate, but it's tje closest we got and dang is it good! Love your videos man! Keep it up!

[@kittyhawk3831]

It's always crazy seeing a Raptor bleed! Really makes you wonder how much further a production F-23 could have advanced if it won the ATF contract.

[@leenation380]

The best matchup for the F-22 and YF-23 in my opinion, the YF-23 “Black Widow” “Grey Ghost” is one of my favorite stealth fighters, next to the F-22 Raptor

[@tippership]

I loved GS using the mountains Flanker style! It looked like, while he was DEEP in them behind peaks- it DID work, and it also benefited his buddy that avoided a missile while in the Mountain Range! It's kinda cool to see how the mountains just throw off Radar and missiles- but you have to be really deep in them, and not on the edge/ the flat area where it's easy to shoot at foes- but you're vulnerable if anyone spots you. GS shoulda stayed deep in them(admittedly they weren't the tallest)- and merged with one or two intentionally lol

[@danpatterson8009]

I assume the Widow's simulation parameters are educated guesses- it would be interesting to dial down the radar signature in steps and see at what point they become unbeatable.

[@dimoichi5841]

Out of the 2 aircraft, the YF-23 Grey Ghost & Black Widow are far superior to the F-22 Raptor in several aspects. And you continue to provide invaluable information on this specific topic. We should have built both and the F-35 should have not been built let alone designed. We had everything we needed with both aircraft and a 6th generation fighter could have been built far sooner than we are currently seeing. Glad Japan is looking to make the YF-23 their premier air supremacy fighter.

[@johndeereboy1945]

I want to just take a peek into the fantasy world where the Air Force looked at the YF-22 and YF-23 and said “I’ll take them both” and see how scared our adversaries would be at that power couple. It blows my mind that the 23 is EVEN STEALTHIER than the 22, and the 22 is already almost impossible to see without a really powerful radar

[@Overlord1-1]

The video a lot of us were waiting for 😌

[@jameshodgins1937]

I'd still like to see you fly the F23.

[@scottgriggs1490]

I love watching your videos...I am former active duty AirForce (not a pilot) but certainly can take appreciation. You are very good at flying in DCS. Keep doing what you are doing..well done

[@EminenceFrontX5]

It would be good to see teams swap aircraft to really see if it's pilot or aircraft. Also, are there techniques that need to be developed in the F-22 to overcome the widows advantages? Great episode 👏

[@traviswalker8933]

The YF-23 has again the improper avionics in it. Hence why you don't see GS switch to the YF-23.

[@sunray501]

I think the other challenge is finding players who can fly both types well. Not everyone is a KZbinr who does this a lot. A GS+LS collab could work tho.

[@EminenceFrontX5]

@@traviswalker8933 thank you.

[@EminenceFrontX5]

@@sunray501 interesting 🤔

[@AM-vy2pp]

Thanks for your daily posts @GrowlingSidewinder and Merry Christmas

[@benjaminrobledo5466]

"First F-22 Killed" "Second"... "Third" That is something I would never hope to see, read, or hear, again.

[@doncalypso]

@GrowlingSidewinder when are *_YOU_* gonna get in the YF-23 cockpit to demonstrate what she can do?

[@lasvegastransparencycopwat6705]

I think we made a mistake when it comes to the F23 Black widow ll

[@codychild2665]

💯%

[@Tek-eo3li]

The AF missed out when they passed on the F-23

[@decoygaming4604]

so cool to see the "potential" of the black widow. its crazy that its winning because of the only 2 advantages it has over the raptor. just shows either choice from the program was a good one.

[@B_M_DUBBA_U_]

I’d do anything to be in the Air Force if the yf-23 was in place… I love the raptor for being my badass protector but it’s not calling me if that makes sense like the yf-23… Ps The yf-23’s first flight was on my birthday… and I love the design of it so much… maybe that’s why it calls to me lol if only.

[@seanchang1202]

I still love it last time when the Black Widow sneaked up on and bit you from the back.

[@TheSanien]

YF23 is the only thing that has anything on a F22. Imagine if the Airforce had both 😳

[@revolverswitch]

Now Imagine if the non-selected plane was allowed to be exported to allies like Japan.

[@CrossWindsPat]

@@revolverswitch they wont do it because they know the YF-23 was better all along lol.

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

A part of me hopes they bring it back, as a 5.5 gen fighter or as a 6th gen.

[@revolverswitch]

@@lewiemotorsports3616 like a 5+ to 5++ generation?

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

@@revolverswitch exactly lol

[@xenowings81]

Been waiting for this 🫶🏻

[@PaulyDFromDownunder]

I think the Black Widow is still a little bit salty about not being picked.

[@m.searay4629]

The bright side....the F-22 ejection system works good! 😆The machine can be replace but the pilot cannot.

[@DanielRobbins-t5w]

Oh I love these. Keep up the good work! Hello from Idaho and Merry Christmas 🎅

[@campbellwallace3774]

I've been waiting for this!!

[@Mr.ThunderTrooper575]

thanks for making awesome videos. I barely miss any vid and I love em

[@ZedOhZed]

I would love to see a guns-only fight between these two aircraft. Maybe you could fly the YF-23 for a change :)

[@stunitech]

The second AWACS kill + ejection. That second dude out hot his ass suntanned by that fireball 😂

[@user-sg8eh4qj4c]

The YF-23 is terrifying.

[@Nellinator23]

Love seeing the YF-23 take the victory. Appreciate you featuring it so much lately!

[@antbear13]

Like fighting NGADs in an F-22.

[@End_of_Lvl_Guardian]

YES! More YF-23 content. Keep it coming.

[@absolutezero6423]

Fighting a group of Raptors is scary. Fighting a group of Black Widows is panic inducing lol.

[@justanothernoobe]

Love watching your content - it's amazing how much you learn about the strategies. Question: those AWACS seemed to be flying pretty low ... why wouldn't they go higher and try to lure the F23s into range of SAM detection?

[@obvioustruth]

You in: 1. YF-23 with AIM-260 vs 4 EF-2000 with meteors. 2. YF-23 with AIM-260 vs 5 MIG-31 with R-37M

[@thomasharden2727]

I remember watching the PBS special on the 22v23 and the JSF like it was an episode of survivor!

[@jeffreyblount1492]

This is the best video. Well done. Nice seeing well matched aircraft.

[@bobr8766]

Great vid! Being more maneuverable is good, but being invisible is better. Now if the USAF had both the Raptor and the Black Widow, they might be a great team!

[@iangoodsell]

4:01 - just how close were you from landing on that hill? I’m guessing less than 10 feet. Happy holidays, GS!

[@woebringer7884]

Was thinking maybe 2!

[@carltanner9065]

There's a ground squirrel running around with a new haircut!!!😁🤣🤣

[@kasper_429]

Yeah, definitely less than 10 feet off the deck. That was a pucker moment for sure, lol.

[@im2lost]

Never have I wanted you to fail but today I did 😂 I'm a big 22 fan but I've always loved the 23s lines

[@christopherschroeder4096]

The Black Widow needs to go up against the Felon and Mighty Dragon.

[@davidbuffum4887]

If the F-22can kick their ass, so could the Yf-23.

[@christopherschroeder4096]

@@davidbuffum4887 Yeah, except GS had to try being the aggressor. 🤣

[@Nick-rb1vk]

You guys already know I see F 22 and I click!

[@DGG.85]

I think a Le Mans fight would be pretty cool, like from start up on the ramp or maybe just hot on the ramp, take off then fight, basically start from a 0 energy state

[@tomahawk1014]

Yf-23 is my favorite military jet even though it was never made probably the one plane that got me into aviation when I was younger

[@guyray1504]

I'm telling you from experience it's no fun picking up parts of top secret planes in that high desert. Stationed at TTR Jul 1982- Dec 1988.

[@formula1555]

I’ll never get sick of the F22 content

[@Mobius118]

Same. Best jet ever made

[@Savage_Viking]

Second best jet ever made.

[@leonswan6733]

I will continue to say it. I am cool with the USAF going with the F-22. But... If I were the president of the USA or secretary of defense in the year 1990, I would have ordered the secritery of the U.S. Navy to order a Naval YF-23 prototype with F-14 landing gear and a stealth door covering hook and try to get folding mid spand section wings for carrier ops Traps and Cats to evaluate the fesability of a carrier operating F-23 fleet to replace the F-14s when they retire. Get aircraft carrier tactical " CAG " fighter pilots on naval systems requierments to that YF-23 prototypes, and if it all checks out, Take it to Congress to order the 200 or so F-23s to replace the F-14s when they retired in 2006. Yes, they take up more deck space than an F-35C, which only became CAG operational, like 2020. I dont care!!! I want Naval F-23s !!!!! This would have justified having both these awesome ACFT in the USA arsenal.

[@Owyn305.]

I've never seen so many F-22s go down. Great video.

[@Plus_Escapee]

I'm not an expert, but my recommendations brought me to this channel because of many of the other videos I've been watching. IIRC, the YF-23 has a couple issues; It's lack of weapon space and close-range agility. The only fighters that are real threats to the YF-22 are the SU-57 and YF-23, so this is a very cool watch.

[@carltanner9065]

Actually, the F22 was only marginally more maneuverable than the YF23 in the official reporting of the fly off between the two aircraft. So, if the YF23 had've also gone into production there may not have been much difference when it came to dogfighting combat between the two. Technically, the F22 would've won more of the encounters but that also boils down to the skill of the pilots. But, if it was a BVR fight, the F22 would find itself in hot water. And, if it tried to run away, the F23 would've been more than capable of running it down due to its superior speed and acceleration.

[@Asghaad]

and endurance between the prototypes the 23 had higher supercruising speed and more overall range it was better plane in basically every aspect that mattered and its CRTIMINAL that the inferior platform was chosen instead due to backroom politicking and "looks" ...

[@WallOfScience]

The YF-23 always looks so casual.

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

Bro, how close were you to hitting the ground? Great save. Man, the YF-23 is insane. Still love my F-22. Great vid dude.

[@cjyoung7372]

Finally a f22 video worth watching

[@Flakeytie]

Thank you for today's video GS!

[@Agul2001]

It's amazing how some people are so oblivious as to how good YF-23 really was.

[@ObjectiveTruth5168]

as I see it, the moment the AWACS got taken out, team Raptor lost the match... the AWACS is as valuable as all four Raptors combined - not in cost, but in the role it serves and availability of replacements in a real-world theater of operations (the US only has 31 in total worldwide). even if the Raptors managed to kill all the Widows, that AWACS loss means team loss. I for one would have loved it if both the F-22 and F-23 were built... they have sufficient differences in their characteristics to fulfill different roles - the F-22 would be the ideal for general air dominance against opposing fighters, with the faster, stealthier and longer range F-23 being a long-range deep penetration platform tailor made to straight-up assassinate things like AWACS, transports and bombers far behind the lines.

[@PeterPan-hs5tu]

first time seeing him walking home biting dust 😂 keep it coming !

[@graczek1tolamus]

I think every team should sit in their own vc to communicate. That was kinda chaotic.

[@robertallison9653]

Call your congressman or woman and demand we keep the the Stealth Fighter program alive!

[@CCT24THSTS]

The F22 was only slightly more maneuverable than the F23 no real advantage. Both test pilots said that. F23 was definetly a better jet. Lockeed only did a better show case of AOL for the F22 and advertising the F22 to win the competition.

[@HAMlLTON]

gotta love how the yf-23 was so good that everything surrounding its conception is now highly guarding and both examples are just static displays.

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

Look Ma, it's raining F-22s...... There's a sentence I never thought I'd hear. lol

[@DJTourniquet]

If this is how a fight between the 22 and 23 goes, I wanna see them teamed up against an opfor of su-57's and J-20's. 8v8

[@GG-yr5ix]

F22 is only very slightly more manuverable in certain aspects that the F23. The F23 has a considerabily smaller radar cross section. The F23 has better TWR and better FLIR system. Really what this exersise shows is that F23 was better ship, but Air Force was scared of it's so different.

[@TheodoreArendsee]

well the I think the F-22 won for a good reason after all there is no way the air force would turn down a better jet for a worse one and I no I sound like a conspiracy theorist but really it is likely the the F-22 has one or more classified abilities after all much about the F-22 is classified and not to say the YF-23 did not have its own classified abilities but the F-22s are likely better seeing as it won.

[@Mobius118]

@user-iz5fk1ug6d Underrated points, thanks for keeping this conversation sane! I personally believe after much research into both jets that the Raptor is the superior plane in all the areas that were needed, hence the choice.

[@danandbaggyshow]

Thank you and merry Christmas

[@Kiteactual]

Raptor getting the taste of its own medicine. As a raptor fanboy, I am really frustrated and can't get over it😂.

[@jameslanning8405]

As aircraft become faster and more stealthy, do you think that AWACS is becoming obsolete? A basically large unarmed aircraft, big and slow, with a huge frisbee on the top... A gig target, that has a very hard time finding stealth aircraft.

[@jameslanning8405]

@mirroredvoid8394 That's not a thing... But even if it was, IR isn't radar. That's a heat seeking tech... And the AWACS would have to be much closer to the enemy, to catch a glimpse of IR.

[@Asghaad]

on the contrary its big radar is CRUCIAL in finding stealth fighters, problem is you have to give it a lot of protection to keep it outside the weapon range of those threats

[@BrandonChen-sdef123]

It’s rare for you to lose, much less in the f22, much less TWICE

[@YouTubeIsSeriouslyMessedUp]

You know you don't need to waste your time and post 6 comments on GS getting demolished by the YF23s

[@BullsMahunny]

F-22: "Raptors are on the hunt." YF-23: "heh. Bet."

[@MadChad1640]

I love seeing pilot skills being a factor again while flying an F-22.

[@tinkertalksguns7289]

Pretty much what I expected; in a BVR fight with both sides having comparable avionics and the same missile the advantage goes to the stealthier platform. Still, it was a near-run thing.

[@jansolo9200]

I love your stealth fight videos !