Would V still be a legend without THIS?

[@abowlofrice1245]

I always this headcanon that V gets so prominent as a merc because overtime we as players get the best chrome and that only happens because he can withstand cyber psychosis much more than your average person. That combined with Jackie’s death really motivated him to make big moves and be able to handle them

[@MrToubrouk]

I have my theory that the relic helped V by negating the risk of cyberpsychosis. After all, V's brain is constantly healed and updated by the relic. There is no possibility to turn into a murderous nut job.

[@nate-hl9sq]

to be fair V died and that's what activates the Relic, so the problems of a regular dude no longer applies. It's not cyberpsychosis since its two minds now handling the cyberware, I think CDPR planned the story that way so it makes sense on why us as a player can chrome out like most people do.

[@BoobaPog]

If you read the shards during the Cyber Psychosis missions, it's clear that V's resistance to going mad has nothing to do with his affinity with Cyberware. V probably has a similar level of Cyberware affinity as David. But what makes V basically immune is his mental stability. There's no doubt that Silverhand was V's anchor to reality and humanity. It's because of this that he was able to stay sane after the events during the prologue, and never started drifting away over the edge.

[@johncabrera9745]

I always thought that V’s tolerance to getting more implants was only possible because you know the bio chip in his head is destroying and rebuilding his brain with Nites making it a combination of machine and flesh because the issue with cyberpsychosis is the meat brain not able to handle it and I’m not counting Adam smasher or David Martinez as we saw David definitely has more tolerance but slowly, but surely cannot handle it and for Adam smasher think the reason why he’s able to stand it as she goes he’s just a bona fide psycho who loves killing essentially embracing the mental hurdles

[@ghost-mactavish4730]

Idk man my V became a legend on the minimal possible cyberware

[@jasonnobbs256]

V is also so insanely known throughout Night City because of the fact that they took a bullet to the head and lived

[@willc3697]

There’s a reason why the Courier from Fallout New Vegas is such a known figure. I mean, if you’re able to make headlines in one of the only 3 radio stations in the Mojave, then you’re already pretty well off.

[@giganiggawitablade800]

It was actually a eurodollar not a bullet.

[@originalname610]

​@@willc36973 stations? I thought there were 2.

[@oddalibi]

@@giganiggawitablade800Dex Flatlined that mf using cold hard cash

[@cristopherrosarioarias506]

@@giganiggawitablade800nailed it

[@dishantithomas4198]

Objectively speaking yes. The original arasaka heist you and jackie successfully break into the biggest mega corp in the world undetected, steal the relic that's being promoted all over tv , kill saburo arasaka(atleast as far as the general public knows) and then successfully escape while killing dozens of arasaka agents. This one mission by it's self would make v a night city legend. As for v's lack of urgency I think that still gets fixed because if v doesn't have the relic that means Jackie gets brought back to life. Jack and v are sworn family by the time of that mission so there's no way you can convince me that they don't go on gigs together for a cure

[@kangrooo]

Jack doesn't get back to life. The relic didn't simply revive V, it malfunctioned because the bullet dex shot you with hits it and not because the death of it's host

[@dishantithomas4198]

@@kangrooo that's a fan theory and one that doesn't make a lot sense at that. For 1 the relic is in the side and base of vs neck dex shot v in the forehead . 2 The relic is not malfunctioning it's completely fine V's system is whats malfunctioning because as alt, hallman, and Viktor all explained his own system views him as disease and is actively killing you. That's why alt can't fix you at the end of the game your body thinks you're a disease and Johnny is the host, it's like white blood cells fighting an infection. 3 The main source of evidence people have for it not working on Jackie is that Jackie died in the car but what people fail to notice is that Jackie removed it BEFORE he died which is why it ultimately didn't work

[@mystiqueuser4919]

Just to comment on the konpeki plaza mission supposedly making him a legend, Rogue confirms that in the eyes of everyone else the mission was a complete failure. The fixer and the crew nearly all dead and the death of saburo painting a big ass target on V's back. It's also why V doesn't work with other mercs for most of the games, they don't wanna work with someone of such a disastrous portfolio.

[@dishantithomas4198]

@@mystiqueuser4919 yeah nah that's just cdpr poorly trying to retroactively explain why v doesn't reestablish a crew. the big target part makes sense but being viewed as a failure is objectively false from a common sense perspective, a lore perspective and from what you actually see in world. The common sense perspective is in my original comment but from a lore perspective dying/going out in a blaze of glory is quite literally the main way of becoming a night city legend. Morgan black hand is the biggest night city legend not named smasher or v and they don't even have a drink at the afterlife because no one knows if they're dead or not. There's no way v and that crew would be labeled failures because they died however, people being scared of retaliation against vain does make sense. However, having a Target doesn't make you not a legend. Every legend is a Target. You can't throw a pebble down a random street in night City and not find someone who doesn't want to kill Adam smasher. And as for the how the game works perspective All the fixers in the game still give you the best gigs in your district. Mummar, hands and ragina literally trust you with their dream/life work. Dakota and wakako not only give you big time gigs they also put not only their own lives but the lives of their family on the line by helping you. There's just no way they put their reputation and lives on the line or some Merc deemed a failure.

[@mystiqueuser4919]

@@dishantithomas4198 A blaze of glory like Johnny charging Smasher head on, sure that'd be legendary. What happened to the V's crew could be summarized as exposed rats scattering and being hunted down to the last one, the only one having a death worthy of respect in the eyes of everyone else being Jackie who fought to save the mission to his death. The first missions you get from almost every fixer are extremely small and downright incomparable to the missions you get at the end of the game when you are just about at legendary status. As rogue put it, "smash and grabs" are what you get from the first fixer missions, missions that don't require the utmost trust and faith that fixers have in the crews for their longer missions. You can even look at the first version of cyberpunk where each district had its own difficulty level as part of the story, where by the time you go to the lower areas of the map, which were on the harder difficulty at the time, you were supposed to have rebuilt up both your strength as well as your reputation as a trustworthy merc, and if you didn't and tried to do these missions above you, you'd get flatlined quickly. Shiiii the easiest way to tell V was nowhere near a legend at the start is in the small interactions like the robbery of a bar, or the hot dog stand dude being mugged for his bike. If you're low level starting the rest of the map fresh, others will comment that you came back from the dead but will still attack you. Only when you're higher level do they actually fear and run from you

[@super3vil710]

Also Dex almost definitely planned to kill him even if the heist went well, he hired two ultra ambitious nobodies for a reason.

[@shadowfox8425]

V even without the relic would have met 60 percent of the characters met in the game.

[@BHRamsay]

There's the additional argument that V likely survived chipping astonishing amounts of chrome in a very short period because of the Relic so while the jobs might have popped up, V's ability to work them might have been limited.

[@Mrman0333]

V is sorta an anomaly in the cyberpunk world. If you think of cyberpunk like it’s og role playing board game then V is YOUR character. The story of 2077 is basically a gig/quest that the fixer/dungeon master CDPR gives you. V’s abilities and accomplishments are decided purely by you based on the limitations of cyberpunk lore. That being said with theories like this there isn’t a right answer. It’s however you imagine V would be like without the relic is exactly what he would be like.

[@CallousKobold]

As a Street Kid, nah, we were aiming for the top. No limit. The way I play V, is a mofo on a mission to better their life, regardless the bodies needed to build the foundation. With or without that Relic, my V, is set and settled on the end goal of being the best in all Night City, no matter the cost.

[@anondabomb]

Longest. Winded. Yes. Ever.

[@VirgilSonofSparda]

What I love about V is that no matter how customisable they are, there’s still a character to her, she’s while still being malleable enough so that you can have your own unique version of them

[@timmymckenzie7928]

for those who need to hear it: Cyberpsychosis is not caused by too much chrome, even the maelstrom guys are just normal delinquents and they're covered in it

[@MikeActualLi]

I think the Relic gives V that Main Character energy to go out and chase gigs over sleep, or rest. And of course get chromed the fuck up.

[@omega-xk4gj]

The Relic also keeps V alive and actively Boosts him. Post Phantom Liberty, Songbirb unlocks the complete Data processing capabilities of the Relic enabling V to do things no other Cyberware can. Relic also prevents V from suffering any long term damage to her Nervous system (It saves her 4 to 5 times depending on your choices)

[@Nick-st4hb]

V was already already a legend on Night City by the heist on Arasaka alone, the merc who dissapear after killing Saburo Arasaka and stole from him, i assume Goro would had kill Dexter and never tell how things truly happened, hell, the only one who would knew what really happened would Saburo Son and he wouldn't care about a busted Night City legends at all The fact V appeared again kinda tainted his legacy because now everyone thinks he would leave his partners die or he is simply too risky to take on missions

[@ghastlyanarchy1720]

I haven't played this yet, but from the minimal amount i have seen gives me the idea that over time, V's actions will fade from memory as this world seems like it moves on fast.

[@benistcreative]

I'm more intrigued by the question of how much chrome V could have chipped without the relic since it's a common theory that the only reason he doesn't go psycho is the relic (ofc this changed a little with 2.0)

[@sebastianvranicky9817]

you have 2 weeks to live , me sleeping a whole ingame year

[@himbourbanist]

I like to think that V is slowly becoming Johnny as well, and Johnny's influence begins to steadily and nefariously guide V into taking on riskier jobs. Plus the obvious desperation that V is in to save their own life

[@djsalad5752]

Something I don’t often see mentioned: V is directly described to be slowly incorporating Johnny’s personality, which could definitely play a role in their willingness to take risks.

[@michaelrandolph6373]

The chip did make V meet and connect with a lot of people and give them a reason to fight a lot harder but remember V was already a tough and effective mercenary before the heist and was not only willing but capable of pulling off a heist on Arasaka. Really if Saburo hadn’t shown up it would’ve been a success. Most mercs would consider it self deletion to even try robbing Arasaka let alone Yorinobu.

[@willc3697]

I mean, most stories about nobodies making their way to the top usually have some kind of catalyst to jump-start their race for glory, that specific call to action and adventure that makes the main character need to take chances and make moves. The Relic was just that one call for V, without it they would have just been another merc, just like if Alt didn’t die, Johnny wouldn’t have sobered up and actually tried to deal a major blow to Arasaka rather than just being-as Alt stated herself-just another wackjob rockerboy hating the system.

[@uiunleashed2990]

And, they wouldn't have the absolute expertise of The Johnny Silverhand (or they wouldn't have the best friend they deserved)

[@Divinerofdarkness]

Most importantly the relic is why V lived as it forced the brain to start again.

[@brycevo]

V would have been a legend like Jackie. They were blamed for the death of Saburo Arasaka.

[@FerociousMit]

Saburo Arasaka is the one who was killed in Konpeki. Yorinobu was the one who killed him. You just get blamed for Saburo's death.

[@TheRoseReaper]

Genuinely V would have been still dead in act 1 and never made it past.

[@NF-nv3xw]

Theres also the fried brain on the GIM and Johny waking him up on the scav hideout.

[@h13n12]

@@NF-nv3xw you can fully avoid the brain fry in the GiM mission by siding with netwatch.

[@thestrangepilot2184]

Also many people discount the fact that V has so many near death experiences he wouldn’t have made it out of without the relic, e.g. getting shot in the head

[@dragonspadeex]

The thing is, without the relic, v would be dead. V may not have chipped in the relic, but he would have still gotten shot by deshawn, the song would have grabbed the chip, and I would have dipped out while trying to sell the thing. The thing is, who would have gotten to it first? The voodoo boys, or arasaka?

[@kjiuy7890]

Dex killed v the relic is deadly because it healed them that's why it's ingrained

[@simonr9870]

well if he hadn't got the chip he's be still dead in the landfill outside Night city.

[@n1n0rmal3n]

it was his goal to become legend i think he would've become one

[@Fyredrakken]

That depends on the circumstances of the relic. Assuming everything about the heist goes as planned and they actually stroll out with the relic rather than fighting their way out, then, if Dex betrayed them still, V wouldn't come back from the dead. That was the Relics doing.Same thing if it goes down how we see, but V doesn't slot the Relic. However, if it went as planned and Dex didn't betray them, Jackie would still be alive and, together, they would continue to rise up, and would do so quickly with this huge victory under their belts.

[@nathancrowe9131]

I think V would have became obsessed with revenge after Jackie’s death. Relic or no history would still repeat itself and we’d still have a reason to look into the Legendary John Silverhand. Hers hoping future projects will bring out other OG characters like Morgan Blackhand.

[@cagjr3421]

I feel like cyberpunk needs a time limit like so time actually matters

[@jcsturgeon]

Without the Relic he dies at the No Tell Motel

[@kingzakkuu7844]

That’s why I love cyberpunk. V would be nothing without the relic. The thing that’s killing him is what made him a legend.

[@logan7159]

Probably wouldn't have gone around fighting the likes of smasher but nah, V would absolutely be a legend. Jackie and V were clearing out whole buildings of gangers, were well known by big name fixers, and damn near pulled off the biggest heist the city had seen. All that held them back from being absolutely legendary mercs was the worst fucking luck imaginable. I mean who just happens across the worlds powerful man being murdered right in front of them moments from a clean getaway?

[@coffee5453]

I truly believe V would become a cyberpsycho sooner or later. And I dont think they would be able to just function with it like Smasher does.

[@ShadowMokujin]

No there are many segments in the story where V is saved by the relic But the main one is because it keeps V from going cyber psycho from cyberware overlord thus making V strong enough enough to storm arasaka solo

[@Erik-zd3no]

You can grind yourself up to level 15 or something in act 1. By doing the gigs etc. I did that til level 11. Think about how much V can get done and level up and get skills and potent in just a few days. He was always destined to be an absolute powerhouse as we can see the skill tree.

[@MasterLittica]

V as I see it always had the potential to become a Legend but it is shown time and again he lacks the same desperate drive to get their as soon as possible that Jackie did. If a V that never had the active Relic were to become a legend in about the same time as game V did he would need the motivation. Say Jackie never pulled the relic and died with it in somehow getting revived by it, perhaps Del mentions that somehow the unknown biochip in Mr Wells neurosocket is keeping him just this side of alive. I dont see V going to meet Dex then, no he goes right to our fave ripper. Events unfold in much the same way they did in the game then only the motivation is different find a way to seperate the Relic from Jackie

[@FlashKillerX]

The craziest thing about V’s story is that he didn’t just die from catching a stray bullet in one of the many MANY confrontations he has while trying to solve the relic crisis. Think about how many people V kills and how many fights he wins, all it would take is a second shot in the head and it’s lights out, no legend, no fixing the situation with the relic

[@rigsby86]

Without the relic he would have died when Dexter shot him in the head. It was the relic that brought him back.

[@melchior7346]

I think despite what most people think the game takes place at least over a few months. They say V only has weeks to live yet texts with your romance options can imply you’ve been dating for a few months by mid-late game. Probably not 6 months but definitely not a few weeks either.

[@LiamOliver02]

Nearly all side missions in the game are independent of the relic story. Without the relic. V would still have enough work under his belt to become an up and coming legend.

[@BlueSage19]

If V didnt have the Relic, Jackie would. I feel the story could've played out the same way if Jack was ressurected instead. Granted its hard to say depending on where Del would send Jackies body without Vs intervention. Takemura wouldve likely recovered V's body and transferred him into mikoshi, the same way they do Jackie if his body isnt sent to his mom.

[@mikkelklysner7214]

V would have just died after the heist. Vik explains that the only reason V survived the bullet by Dex was because the relic started repairing the damage.

[@greymatter33]

V was on his way to nowhere. Although, he did have a lot of fixer connections already. Also, Jackie was the one who went through Dex and V kept being cautious and ended up fucked cuz of Jackie.

[@Yourmommaobama]

I mean technically his “claim to fame” at the start was breaking into arasaka and “killing” the emperor (even though they didn’t) and stealing top secret tech from them and living combined with his skills and resistance to cyberpsychosis he was always destined for the big leagues

[@LaZyREBaL]

you can get to level 50 with pretty high street cred in act 1 before the hiest V is special like adam and more so than david

[@ThePolarisSystem]

I think V could have become a legend, but they never would’ve been as big as they are when they had the relic. Johnny is a major reason why they took the big risks they did, and not just because he was slowly killing V. They allude to it a few times throughout the game, but you can most clearly see it during the side gigs Tapeworm and Chippin’ In. At the end of tapeworm Rogue mentions that V has the same angry smirk on their face that Johnny had. And in Chippin’ In when you pick up Johnny’s Malorian V holds it exactly the same way Johnny does in the flashbacks where you play as him. It’s especially noticeable when you switch from the Malorian to an another pistol and back. V holds every other gun the same EXCEPT for Johnny’s Malorian. The bottom line is that V may have been a legend on their own, but with the influence of ANOTHER night city legend they were guaranteed to be one.

[@Killerwale-hk4wy]

Considering you successfully pull of the Arasaka heist. Absolutely. However, it'd be slower and It's not certain if V would have the same cyberware capacity. If so, definately still a legend.

[@pepethefrog6809]

I don't think it's accurate to say that V won't be taking risky plays as much if he didn't have the Relic killing him. The whole reason we got into that was because of the big risk he took for that heist gone wrong in the first place. His motivation might have included his life when he got the Relic, but he's always been ready to risk it all for a legendary status. I think he might not have the same quick rise as he did but he'd definitely still be legendary in time.

[@Tinnitus1445]

He might not ever become the type of legend that he does with the relic just because who V is…is a living tall tale. He does things that are inhuman and seemingly impossible one after another. All the way up to giving Arasaka one hell of an oozing wound right after killing Adam Smasher. I think had he progressed naturally he’d still be a “legend” eventually but it would be on par with other exceptionally capable mercenaries and not a legend in the more biblical sense that he get to see him become.

[@grahamlopez3742]

Dex and that one guard wouldnt have been able to kill Jackie and V as a team. If jackie made it out and the relic wasnt in his head, hed be fine

[@BloodyKilley]

V be wouldn't become a legend alone, instead being known as a duo with jackie. Whether this is done through a successful heist or just them working through standard merc work.

[@Hackerman-bd9hq]

Without the relic he would have been killed before the openin splash screen by dexter deshawn. Like all mercs he was way in over his head

[@renatomarchant3150]

I like to thing the legend status is 50 rep, and you are a living legend waiting for their end by that point, amd you can reach 50 before stealing the relic so i guess... yes, he can.

[@hoodrichtx5498]

I want to argue that if the job went right you would technically still be a legend for stealing a 1 of 1 Relic from Arasaka and to leave with Jackie unscathed shows yall can get shi done which would have led to more jobs with other fixers around night city

[@TheMoses121]

If V never had the relic, V would have never been a legend, because in looking at the cannon events that had to happen V relied heavy on other legends. Just think, saving Evelyn relied heavily on Judy's legendary use of BDs; Arasaka relied heavily on Takimura's connections and planning; and dog town "cannon" ending never has V faces any major players 1 on 1. So though V probably would formidable enough to take out a 1 off group of Tiger Claws or 1 (semi boss like Animal chick with the Hammer), V would kind of just been overshadowed by other legends of night city. Not to mention, V doesn't die in a blaze of glory for all to see.

[@camdenmaynard5407]

Idk, after Jackies death I feel like v would still want to get back at arasaka

[@xNephilimxXx]

V becomes a legend because of Jackie. End of story.

[@pxkqd]

You didn't clear 100% of Watson before the Heist I see.

[@joshmartin5988]

No. If he hadn't inserted the relic, Dex would've still killed him, but no relic means no V resurrection. He'd have been one of the gonks who robbed arasaka and then DIED immediately afterwards.

[@xeraovow7030]

V would just be lonely no t bug no jackie and killed by dexter

[@khm6585]

Not take the same risk? My man, our 1st objective was robbing the most powerful family the NC. What you on about? 😂

[@LoudAngryJerk]

Okay, but was that the relic in his head he would have died. He literally would not have survived getting shot in the head by Dex. So the answer is no. Because he would be dead

[@Auxiliary542]

Self ice I a really over powered peace of chrome

[@Yuk1-Akuma]

Well, if v didn’t have the motivation from the relic he probably wouldn’t want to be a legend that much when Jackie died and maybe thay would’ve gave up

[@plot6520]

Nahhh ya'll way too negative about this. In Watson alone without the relic you can still get geared enough to be a furiously capable merc. Now, over years and a steady escalation of gigs or limiting what types you take? V would've climbed to the top, Ez. Everyone just wants to "Become a Legend" from getting their story told once and then getting killed by that immediately. Deffo you can claw yourself (with how naturally adept and strong V is) up.

[@nurtaytulegenov7431]

I don't think that V wouldn't become legend, since Takemura doesn't have any insensitive to not killing V along with Deshawn even if V magically survived being shot by Dex earlier

[@sgg3586]

V likely would've been a bigger legend actually. With more evidence/lore slowly appearing that supports the idea that Johnny's engram was actually modified by Arasaka or flawed (as some of Johnny's 'memories' now being proven fake), serving to show that the chip likely was actually what kinda seals V's fate. Especially if you get fooled into the "good" endings where you do stuff like letting Johnny overtake V's body (which totally tracks as being a Mike Pondsmith tier plot twist of making the happier appearing endings be the ones where you got suckered into losing). *Warning: Massive ADHD hyper-focused tangent below. Like the most blatant lie you see in Johnny's memory is how Alt dies. In Johnny's memory she was apparently killed by Soulkiller. But if you remember earlier when you save Evelyn Parker, Judy LITERALLY says not to pull the headjack from what she is plugged into as it could render her braindead if not disconnected properly. Well, in Johnny's memory he just yanked out the cord from her head and she was dead moments later. Alt even straight up states during the Blackwall cutscene that Johnny's memories are wrong and warped by how he believes events took place. Meanwhile there was a canon short story written years ago that actually covered the death of Alt, and yeah she died the same way in the story, with it being from her perspective in the digital world and being basically killed by Johnny yanking out the connection before she could transfer into her own body. Other inconsistencies include Johnny only planting 1 bomb in the elevator, yet later stating in a conversation that he went into the tower with 2 (which canonically there were 2). Him remembering having fought Adam Smasher as his arch-nemesis (Adam Smasher actually acts confused in the final battle if you say it's revenge for Johnny. He was also the rival of Morgan Blackhand who actually canonically fought Smasher atop Arasaka Tower during the bombing of the tower). Mike Pondsmith has confirmed that Johnny Silverhand was a cyberpsycho. Finally, it is brought up many times in the game and through gameplay, that memories such as braindances can be edited. So generally the emerging theory is that (again with the canon novels that tie in, and Mike Pondsmith answering some questions), when Militech sponsored the attack on Arasaka Tower by sending 2 teams (1 with Johnny Silverhand, 1 with Morgan Blackhand), the plan was only to destroy the tower. Something went wrong, and the second nuke detonated and basically irradiated a good chunk of Night City. This event was so catastrophic that it would have not only started another Corporate War, but would've likely ruined Militech's reputation worldwide especially for nuking a independent city-state. So Arasaka having Johnny caught by Adam Smasher, burned his memories into an engram and then purposefully edited those memories to make it seem like it was all his idea/plan and that he was a longtime enemy of Arasaka (meanwhile canonically, Arasaka barely even realized Johnny existed). This served as their scapegoat to avoid another corporate war, and as a kind of failsafe they could possibly trade to Militech in the future or claim was evidence to blackmail them. I dunno, corporate BS in the background. But essentially, Johnny in the game is not actually Johnny Silverhand. From the onset, we as V are basically tricked into believing that this A.I. cobbled together partially from Johnny Silverhand is the real deal. It's so convincing infact, that people get tricked into thinking that the blaze of glory endings of raiding Arasaka are the "good" endings. Meanwhile if you think about it, Arasaka barely even knew V existed. Like think about it. Beyond the initial attempt to kill V to silence the truth about Saboro being murdered, they never actually care that V is still alive and kicking. V literally isn't on their radar. What's even more ironic is that if you save Hanako and side with Arasaka, they 100% keep their word to remove the chip and provide V with advanced medical care to try and save them. Which in a way reinforces the bleak Cyberpunk theme that dying in a blaze of glory is misguided and doesn't make any meaningful change. While even the corporations aren't even inherently evil, they're just doing business. So in the end, you helping Hanako save Arasaka from her brother is just a business deal, and they uphold their end of the bargain to save V's life. It's bleak, it's dark, but still the Arasaka ending his hilariously the most "good" ending for V (at least excluding the DLC which I still gotta get around to finishing).

[@realtalkfuzz]

The answer absolutely because he would have been blamed for killing Subaru

[@gwop827]

V would not be nearly as strong though like the most legendary part abt V was being able to kill smasher and u need to be very chromed up. U only had tge the high cyberware capacity due to Johnny. Also stuff like the arasaka hq storming, kurt hansen killing and casino heist in sun ending wouldnt hv happened

[@DDA9_7]

I played as female v so it's a bit weird to hear he to me. On a different note I think it's at least a month the game takes place over

[@Dr_Richard_Stroker]

V as a charekter, atleast for adressing is non binary, since both a female and a male V exist, so it would be they them, meaning Plural, since it's 2 charekters

[@TogeNoBara]

V can cut his chrome cap in half without the relic. He dies 2 or 3 times without the relic in the story though most of those missions are because of the relic so hed likely have never been there in the first place. He doesn't become a legend without the relic. He is just another merc.

[@mrfancyshmancy]

i mean, assuming he doesn't get offed by dex (cus everything else before this should be the same so he'd still meet dex) i do think he could very well become a legend. he pulled of an insane heist, which alone may or may not get him to legend status but i do think V would continue doing merc stuff, which includes jobs on par with his reputation. V would be less of a legend but still a legend none the less

[@ech0828]

It's weird to hear V called He as all my playthroughs are women ala Motoko Kusanagi GITS Legend

[@enyewox]

I would say yes because of the heist itself, but... the heist itself didnt make Jackie a legend, so it wouldnt make one of V either. And in the game you need to earn the street creds to become known

[@brianstraub2271]

This could be a bit long and sorry about that. With respect I disagree with you. Taking away the fact that V is the main character. I would still say yes because up to the point of Dex kills you. V is still the same character that Dex ask the question to whe V is in Dex car. Would it have taken a little more time maybe, but V is still the same character before, and after V death. As for tome in the game, we'll it a Illusion at best. Sure there little reminders that your on a time table, but it doesn't become a issue until you see Hanako. Witch leads to some other interesting thoughs, but that's a different rant fir a different time. Lol

[@N0MoreZER0S]

V would be dead without the relic. So no, V wouldn’t have become a legend.

[@gwop827]

We r assuming Dex did not kill him. Touch grass man

[@jeebuskroost3852]

Legend yes, same level of legend no. Essentially if the heist went well and v wasnt caught up in arasaka politics, then v would be hailed as a master thief and still have a choice of jobs but whether theyd have the same drive is unclear.

[@xander22777]

Yeah because that means Jackie would have came back to life cuz he would have had the relic slotted and we've seen the things v will do for friends. If you do not think he is going to be doing 10 times as much 10 times as quick to try to get a cure for Jackie then I think you're a little crazy

[@actuallymichael1]

HE LITERALLY ROBBED ARASAKA IF HE JUST SHOWED UP SOONER OR A DAY LATER THEY WOULDVE MADE IT OUT THEY WOULDVE HAD MORE ADVENTURES

[@36inc]

He woulda died from the first gun shot to the head

[@wander1139]

Doesnt v die like three times without the relic once with voodo boys once with scaves potentially and again with dex

[@trentdevlaminck9927]

6 weeks

[@Churrosu]

I forget V can be played as a dude, I’ve only ever played V as a woman 😭

[@blackdynamitemn3259]

Fuck No they literally woulda died after the Plaza job wtf

[@DetectiveCam]

He also would’ve gone cyberpsycho without two consciousnesses handling the load of his cybernetics

[@Soraking007]

Hang on work with me jackie gets the shard dies revives in the car on the way to dex des shoots you but jackie covers u badly wounding u both but u survive jakcie has johnny but is severely crippled you as jackies friend desperately try saving his life goes on to be a legend as jackie loses himself further and depending which ending u do he can kive die or become Johnny

[@mathiasjensen13]

Well v would be dead if no relic

[@Drsoppo]

i say yes but no they will die after do the the chip saving them from dying i say V is dead but a ghost in there own body and soul killer is trying to kick them out for johnny to take over

[@Echo_Yt0]

I mean i guess it would come down to if people think that jackie is a legend 😅 cause they both would have died had it not been for the chip tho V would have died to the hands of a greedy fixer instead

[@jeremyk3493]

V would have faded to nothing since they would have died from Dexter Deshawn shooting them in the head.

[@alexiovelasco3222]

He would've just died cuz the chip revived him.

[@Tintindragon06]

Yeah, Jhonny acts as a mental buffer, plus Jackie's death helps him resist cyberpsykosis

[@joeyadams1788]

he?

[@shinyuxie8412]

Isn’t canonical v female?

[@HumanBrain-of1vg]

Probably not, V doesn't go cyberpsycho because of the relic. Part of the mental load from the amount of cyberware V ends up chipping is managed by Johnny. Without it, V would probably slip into Cyber Psychosis before he could do the things he did.

[@SomeGuy-gc8zs]

I think V would have eventually made it regardless. Relic or no relic, they had the drive and ambition to make themselves a legend, and they weren't exactly a nobody by the time the Arasaka job rolled around; by the start of the game, they have ties to Wakako and Padre, and enough clout that Dex knows who they are and thinks they can actually get the relic. A big league fixer coming to them for a big league job was a matter of when, not if.