Would you be OK with a Semi Solid State?

[@benjaminnead8557]

"No self-respecting marketing department would be without an acronym." So true!

[@davidfujkk8018]

Dry electrode which allows above 400 wh/kg in cell level energy density with liquid electrolyte is the real key for ultra high energy densities,because it allows more active materials in both cathode and anode side of the battery,meaning u can have much higher active materials in it,while keep the weight and volume the same with out sacrifising cycle life and safety,dry electrode with semi solid electrolyte is the only way to increase energy density of a battery to above 500 wh/kg right now

[@BunnyOfThunder]

I feel like "FEST" could use a bit more marketing pizazz, tbh. How about "FESTivolt!" 😄

[@PaulG.x]

Pilot to Clarkson: "You're not really 75kg after all , are you? You bellend."

[@ThatOpalGuy]

the great thing about science is that sometimes you make a mistake that opens up a whole new area of research

[@Freddisred]

When a mistake becomes a mutation.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

@@Freddisred sometimes that happens as well. lol

[@svord00]

No mistakes, just happy accidents.

[@gorgthesalty]

"Hm, it's not supposed to do that..."

[@injest1928]

It's like that time I stubbed my toe really hard and it opened me up to a whole new level of pain.

[@lindsayfleming6485]

Small comment. The red border at the bottom of your thumbnail looks just like the 'watched' line that KZbin puts there. I passed this one up at first thinking I'd already watched it until I saw the time stamp and knew I couldn't have.

[@evan18155]

@Justhaveathink Hope you see this :)

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks for letting me know. I will change the thumbnail

[@camplethargic8]

Is it just me, or is the sound quality of this super muddy? Sounds like all the higher frequencies were trapped in a sofa.

[@Neilhuny]

@@camplethargic8 I think that is you - crisp and clear here, as always

[@camplethargic8]

@@Neilhuny Thanks for your feedback. What's weird is his recent videos sound fine to me, just this one is off. 🤔

[@pedropenduco3180]

I'll be honest Dave, I'm very surprised you don't have FAR more subscribers already! I shall pass the word. 🙂

[@georgesos]

Listening to your voice has a calming ,reassuring effect on me. Thank you for your work!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Wow, thank you!

[@footshotstube]

blimey , so ive been watching you compete easily against ai videos with bad science, or infamous news channels . Being a safe go to for over 6 yrs is worthy of a quality award surely!

[@MarinusMakesStuff]

The way I see it now is that nothing 'is it' or 'the answer'. Everything we do is just a step to the next best thing. So we better make sure there's always an improvement somewhere. There's no endgame, it's just the next step, forever, always :)

[@IRGeamer]

Or misleading BS to gain more clicks/funding/investment, just like the last 600 "new and better" battery "news" stories.

[@antoniomromo]

True for almost everything. The paperclip and the puffer fish being the exception. They are already perfect.😂

[@daemn42]

The battery technology of today is the *worst* it will ever be, and that will be the case, more or less indefinitely.

[@skierpage]

It's only in retrospect that a single next step is apparent. Right now there are a dozen stumbling paths forward in battery R&D. Each one, given huge investments to make the next steps, might turn out to be the best path for the commercial industry. Most will wither and fade before they get that investment.

[@trueriver1950]

8:24 Impervio is manufactured by graduates of Hogwarts using patented spells and enchanted wands.

[@rogerjohnston9545]

I appreciate your presentations.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Glad you like them!

[@CrystalAbrahams]

You'll have 600,000 subscribers in two shakes of a Semi-Solid bunny's tail! This channel helps us understand the differences between this and that thing, so we can sound Semi-Solidly educated! Crystal in Canada 🇨🇦

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks Crystal. I really appreciate your support :-)

[@emceeboogieboots1608]

Congrats on half a million mate🍻 I look forward to every one of your videos, so I hope to see you hit a million subs soon

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers!

[@moiragoldsmith7052]

I read the title...felt my midriff in solidarity and started watching👍

[@JustHaveaThink]

Glad it had the right effect! At the age of 55, I find it's nothing that can't be fixed with a couple of hot water bottles and half an hour's notice! LOL

[@christophermahon1851]

I, personally, don't care if they use mustard and peanut butter- as long as it works!

[@dosadoodle]

Wild to see that we're impressed with $845m investment (8:35). That is literally less than 1% of Apple's profit. US big tech should be plowing a sizable portion of profits into developing new technologies like this rather than doing share buybacks. The big company CEOs lack vision and drive for breaking into new industries that will be critical to maintaining a healthy world for future generations.

[@arnaldorentes5371]

Hello, Dave. I don't know if you complained to KZbin, but for the first time in several weeks, I was notified about the video I'm going to watch now. Hugs from Brazil.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Excellent news. I'm delighted to hear that. Thanks for letting me know :-)

[@injest1928]

It doesn't matter if its semi or solid, it's how you use it.

[@raymondleury8334]

What matters is cost, longevity, energy density and safety in that order.

[@AmonTheWitch]

i was looking for a comment like this 😂

[@tsekwi]

😮😂

[@mrm7058]

@@raymondleury8334 Love how you put safety at the end. As long as it is cheap, it doesn't matter if it can explode at any time....

[@stcredzero]

Right. It's not about the electrolyte. It's how energy and power dense you can get the anode and cathode, how robust you can make the function of the separator, and how long the whole thing lasts. Calling batteries solid state or semi-solid state as misleading as "lithium ion batteries." Just as lithium is not the main ingredient of li-ion batteries, the state of the electrolyte is not he point of a solid state battery.

[@rebokfleetfoot]

as far as i can see it is solid electrolyte intended to provide gap against the dendrites, not a new idea, but if they are actually making them, thumbs up for them!

[@lady_draguliana784]

Matt Farrell's Undecided even had a SSB unit last week!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Matt had to post a disclaimer after that video. That battery is semi-solid state.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@JustHaveaThink so he did!

[@Jakeurb8ty82]

Undecided is an infomercial channel like 2bit da vinci. Little substance lots of promise/ hype and shiny b roll.

[@kickmonlee3390]

idk how i havent been subscribed. ive been watching for quite a while. good reminder

[@adr2t]

I like the idea that it shows that we can do it - than that its semi or solid. So many people think this stuff doesnt exist and a lot of lab stuff doesnt get to market. Yet here we are with one for sure that can. Of course, more research is needed and we still need to mass produce stuff, but that it exist means that it is making progress to get out to everyone. Granted, 1k mil batteries for EVs are still out of my life time for the most part, but at least next generation will have them and that means humanity is making progress to get it it self out of a carbon cycle.

[@MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50]

Dear David, thank you, I think that the biggest issue is that money is being paid before results are being delivered

[@tims9434]

Who's David?

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@tims9434 That guy who was talking to you in the video.

[@JustHaveaThink]

@tims9434 I am Dave - the guy in the videos

[@Dirt-Diggler]

I'm David and so is my wife 😁

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@Dirt-Diggler LOL!!! Yep, and quite a lot of the "Divine Revelations" that come out of the "Prophets" in this field only too often turn out to be another Monty Python sketch! 🙄😁

[@Yanquetino]

We've come a long way since the NiMH batteries in the EV1, haven't we?

[@JustHaveaThink]

We have indeed

[@m3gajv3r]

A technology worth looking at is also Supro's graphene li-ion battery for residential and commercial use. We are currently testing it, energy density is close to LFP but the power density is 6 times greater.

[@Sacto1654]

CATL, BYD and SK Innovation have been studying this idea for quite some time. The result: we get most of the advantages of solid state without the known disadvantages of solid state. CATL is starting to produce blade-type batteries that work this way for automotive applications.

[@gordonclemmensen]

Another informative video. Thank you for your service.

[@JustHaveaThink]

My pleasure

[@joopmeijer3551]

JHAT to 600K ! Solid videos deserve solid subscriber numbers.

[@hendrikwirtz8418]

The way is the destination. Every step forward counts.

[@awardsworth]

Sila and Group14 are two companies putting Moses Lake, Washington on the cutting edge of advanced battery technology. Might be something to check out. Awesome video's as always!

[@Ryan-ff2db]

Look at what CATL's just released a few months ago in their Shenxing battery and their Shenxing plus battery due next year. With or without solid state battery tech continues improve regardless. No one is waiting around for solid state.

[@polygonalmasonary]

If I could subscribe twice I would do, your explanations are the best on KZbin by a mile 👍🇬🇧♥️🌈🙏

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you :-)

[@darthsirrius]

Great video is always sir. I'd love to get some kind of deep dive on this metal free battery from Sakuu that Sandy Monroe recently took a look at. It should be blowing everyone's pants off.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Great suggestion!

[@HelpBuildABetterFuture]

Darthsirrius, please clear up my confusion... What do you (and others) mean by 'metal free battery'? I looked at the Sandy Monro video dated 28 June 2024 which related to dry printed Li based batteries. This video shows components being dry printed, some onto Cu sheets, and talks about Lithium batteries. Since Lithium and Copper are both metals, I do not understand why this is called 'metal free battery'. Can you explain please?

[@darthsirrius]

​​@@HelpBuildABetterFutureSure I can explain. You watched the wrong video. Find the one dated July 3rd 2024.

[@mortenvollaug6530]

Takk!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks for your support :-)

[@mikemellor759]

Thanks for the update 🙏

[@JustHaveaThink]

No problem 👍

[@jasonbelanger7525]

What matters is energy density and safety, not whether it's solid or semisolid.

[@PaulG.x]

These marketing names bring to mind an old Mad magazine satire on tobacco industry marketing. They had a new constituent named Maligno 7

[@marknthetrails7627]

Thanks for the work... 👍✌🖖🥃

[@American_Energy]

At 300-500k miles per car, NMC is already outlasts most cars. At 1M-1.5M miles per car, LFP is well suited for robotaxis and stationary storage. We’re still missing the ideal chemistry for long haul trucking and aircraft, but that’s about it.

[@JustHaveaThink]

I'll be talking about aircraft next week :-)

[@Kevin_Street]

Thank you for this new video! I guess if you can't be solid, then be semi-solid.

[@patrik5123]

I love the wonderfully British jab at marketing departments :D

[@RedSinter]

Been a Sub since finding you some 8-10 years ago.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank You :-)

[@RedSinter]

@@JustHaveaThink You're More than welcome l...the only problem I see well a big one at any rate is as someone once said, "Common Sense is not all that Common."

[@user-px2sn8pr5t]

0:30 bang on . this has gone the way of fusion. 'on the horizon' for far too long

[@AZOffRoadster]

This channel does have too few subs, considering how good the info, delivery and presentation is. 571k subs. 51,027 views. Only 6.1k up, and 70 down votes. More upvotes needed, and more word of mouth.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks for your support :-)

[@h2opower]

Here is a company that is also getting into the mix and have something on the market for sale: Yoshino Power Station

[@nickolaygavrilenko9962]

I would be interesting to hear from you about Sakuu. I am having a call with them next week for licensing their technology. Their benefit is more for manufacturers then the end users, but it is an improvement nevertheless.

[@celestinarogers2935]

As always- great content

[@JustHaveaThink]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@martyschrader]

Conductive goo! How wonderful. New company motto: "Sliming Our Way to a New Future." Nicelodean would be proud. Hey, whatever works. Land it where you can, taxi to the hanger. Every technology needs to advance through steps towards perfection.

[@martincotterill823]

Great video, Dave!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers Martin :-)

[@ChadCourtneyTAZ427]

I guess the big questions are Energy Density (answered), impacts to Temp and Charge Range from a cycle life impact, and what exactly is the expected cycle life (not just current tested cycle life.) At scale what would be the cost per kWh vs alternatives. It does potentially look like an option, but question remain open.

[@davidl.howser9707]

Your so polite. Nice !

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you :-)

[@youxkio]

Yep, we've been reading the same reports and similar articles.

[@JustHaveaThink]

@youxkio Good for you mate. Shall I stop making videos then in that case? Or should I keep going so that the people who aren't as spectacularly learned and well informed as you can also benefit from the information? Just a thought.

[@youxkio]

@@JustHaveaThink Keep working on this Dave. You go the extra mile showing the world the latest tech on the transition to renewables and transportation electrification. I tried opening a channel on this but it needs production and uploading consistency. Something I can't do because I have other tasks. This week we matched the same subject, but it is not always the case. Today I am learning about MOSFETs. 😂

[@junkerzn7312]

"Condensed Matter Battery", which CATL has had for a while now. Just means semi-solid-state, aka a gel-like electrolyte. Thank CATL for misusing the terminology. But yes, I like the phrase "semi solid state" better.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

How did they misuse the terminology? Liquids, solids, and gels are all condensed matter. That's definitional. Of course, all batteries are condensed matter, so it's kind of meaningless.

[@norarhoads1566]

What happens inside the battery - any battery is awesome - the problem is what happens outside the battery 1) all those ions/ electrons give off heat 2) all the time 3) if more power goes out so does more heat. Check Thomas Edison's 1880 patent for the Electric Lamp, he says watch out for electrical conductor heat. The Electric Lamp delivered 15 lumens of light. An LED is a vast improvement, but it still needs a heat sink.

[@DanielEarlester]

I would be more than happy to be in a semi-solid state at my age

[@jamesphillips2285]

A 40% reduction in weight savings is enough to upgrade my 2011 Leaf to 40kWh without having to use stronger springs or derate the load rating. Previous owner put a "12 bar" (2nd gen) battery in in 2021: so I have about 7-10 years before another replacement is needed.

[@donchernoff2856]

24M licensed their technology to Freyr of Norway. Freyr is building a factory in Norway that runs on hydropower and another factory in Georgia to take advantage of the subsidies in the inflation reduction act. I think it is supposed to go into full production next year but I'm not sure on the timing. I think they also have off-take agreements to sell their full production but they don't say who the customers are. Stay tuned.

[@ashishpatel350]

we are moving in the right direction. which is all that matters.

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

Thank you

[@JustHaveaThink]

You're welcome

[@petersimms4982]

Brilliant 😊

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers Peter

[@dermotdonnelly5495]

Great video. Thanks.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers Dermot.

[@paulbiggs5523]

Another excellent video Dave, I see battery technology as being a little like early mobile phones. So many times were we told that the latest mobile phone technology was going to be the bees knees, but sure enough it was surpassed very quickly, until we reached the compromise we have have now. I am, therefore, a little skeptical about many of the new battery developments. Is this the one that breaks the mould? We shall see.

[@JustHaveaThink]

You are quite right Paul. Technology is moving at breakneck speed. But that's kind of a good problem to have.

[@mike74h]

How are modern phones a compromise? They're incredibly advanced and I don't really see how expectations could have been much higher.

[@mike74h]

I guess you're probably referring to networks. That I can see.

[@shawnr771]

Thank you for the commentary. It doesnt matter. Each iteratioin of development will include starts, stops, paths taken, paths not taken. We should not put all our faith in one technology. There are enough applications that can use this advance now to wait for the next step forward. Cost, reliability, lifespan and the ability to easily recycle is what is going to sell it to the consumers.

[@ismifejzuli7874]

I just "had a funny think " LOL- wouldn't bet my house on Factorial...based on the Founders" name ( See you Hang?). Just an unlucky coincidence I know and my apologies to Siyu I'm sure you're very competent no harm is intended.😊

[@michaelcoghlan9124]

Thank you for that. M

[@Umski]

There’s a smutty comment from the title that I just can’t resist raising an eyebrow to, but this is a serious channel so it can’t be 😂

[@bjb7587]

Down, boy.

[@nevadaxtube]

There are many battery developers out there currently. It could be Factorial, Solid Power, Quantumscape, or several others, but I believe it is inevitable that one and probably more of these companies will "crack the code" and usher in a new era of transportation. The dawn of a new era is upon us. It is exciting. Although it seems like it's taking forever to get there, it is actually moving very fast if you look at the big picture.

[@kevinfidler6287]

I suppose just like every other new technology, production is a huge and costly challenge. Producing new batteries on existing production lines is an excellent shortcut.

[@patrickgriffiths889]

Thanks!

[@Dysiode]

It's funny how things like "the two surfaces need to tightly hug" as a requirement are forgotten when you've never had to worry about that before because liquid. A malleable substance was my first thought followed by maybe a gel, but I wonder if a solid electrolyte with a thin interface material couldn't work (e.g. thermal paste on a heatsink). It sounds like even if it did being able to retool an existing factory is far far more valuable than any performance benefits a hybrid solution would provide

[@flutieflambert]

According to Sandy Munro, Sakuu has finally cracked the code of solid state. Sandy also thinks that Zeta and Amprius are also major contenders in the next gen battery space. And as most people know who watch this channel, CATL says they have a 500kw/hr battery that is now powering jumbo jets.

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

Take some wires and some semisolid state battery gel and you got yourself electric pasta, yum 😋

[@davidfujkk8018]

Dry electrode which allows above 400 wh/kg in cell level energy density with liquid electrolyte is the real key for ultra high energy densities,because it allows more active materials in both cathode and anode side of the battery,meaning u can have much higher active materials in it,while keep the weight and volume the same with out sacrifising cycle life and safety,dry electrode with semi solid electrolyte is the only way to increase energy density of a battery to above 500 wh/kg right now

[@danielmadar9938]

Thanks

[@ryen7512]

"solid state" is just one small aspect of possible battery cell types. No need to get wrapped up in the semantics. There are infinite ways to design and produce a good battery.

[@frasercrone3838]

But not many of them will suit an automotive application and that is the target that everyone seems to be aiming at and I don't know why. Storing the power generated from renewables should be the top goal as it will reduce more greenhouse gas production than the global car fleet. Electricity production from fossil fuel sources is still bigger than transport.

[@RichardBuckMovies]

Did you see a very excited Sandy Munro recently with a new battery? If the claims are real that does seem like a game-changer, even if it’s just a new style of packaging. I couldn’t find any info online though - maybe you’ll have more luck! Keep up the great work. 😊

[@JustHaveaThink]

I did see it . We shall see!

[@electricAB]

Would happily subscribe 30,000 time to get you up the 600k !! Love you content Dave 👍

[@mattverick730]

Dave, I really enjoy your videos every week. Great insight into these dense, technical topics that are presented to a broad audience. While you highlight the potential hurdles that full solid state batteries see for widespread implementation, I would like to point out that QuatumScape just delivered Alpha-2 versions of their solid state cells to customers ealier this year, so solid state is happening. Toyota and other automakers are committed to solid state, so the investment is there.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks Matt. Great news.

[@billbradley2480]

Wil Prowse did a review last year of a semi solid state battery. Data sheet said it was safe. They even sent him a video of them puncturing one cell with no issues. Wil punctured a cell and it smoked then was on fire. So his test proved they’re not safe. Wil said they cost more but have less charge cycles than LiFePo4 before degrading. They do charge at much lower temperatures than LiFePo4.

[@cavemann_]

Impervio sounds like a Harry Potter spell 😂

[@lordelliott42]

9:08 If "Liforever" turns out to be hogwash, the meme will be "LiEforever".

[@PaulG.x]

All the batteries I ever used have been semi-solid state. Some parts are solid Some parts are liquid And some parts are gaseous

[@zopEnglandzip]

Ah, the ol' multi state state cells

[@DeltaNovum]

Are you calling me a 🔋!?

[@pohkeee]

@@DeltaNovum: yup! 😂

[@zapfanzapfan]

83% capacity after 500 cycles is worse than the batteries used by Tesla 10 years ago which have now reached 1000 cycles in their cars.

[@leftcoaster67]

How's the charge times? Improvement to charge times plus range will be a big thing. I like the idea of easier to recycle batteries too.

[@N8ThaGr8r]

Just a thought, ya might not want to use a red border for your videos, i almost skipped it because it looks like ive watched it already

[@JustHaveaThink]

OK thanks

[@billsugden3734]

small ontribution to expense

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks for your support :-)

[@JustHaveaThink]

Much appreciated. Thank you :-)

[@tedbear631]

I love this chan :D

[@tomlakosh1833]

The Illinois Inst. of Tech., Chicago Inst. of Tech. and Argonne Nat'l Lab. have published specs of 1000 Wh/kg and 1000 cycles for their SS polymeric ceramic electrolyte battery more than 17 months ago. How about an updated in depth analysis of their research that could blow away the rest of the packs???

[@usaverageguy]

I watch this channel because the videos are full of new ideas. I just wish i was smart enough to understand the concepts he discusses.

[@JustHaveaThink]

I appreciate your support! :-)

[@jonmagnegabrielli3817]

Tip for next week or somtimenlater: BMW deep drive motor

[@louwrentius]

I have so much more appreciation for this channel than the bullshit channel “Undecided” that tend to emit vapid hot air vagueties that raise more questions than it answers 😂

[@incognitotorpedo42]

I don't listen to Undecided because I don't want to waste my time with someone who hasn't even made up their mind.

[@JustHaveaThink]

@louwrentius thanks for your support. Much appreciated.

[@daveroberts4933]

Hi Dave, you might want to mention in a video that your subscribers should check that they are still subscribed. I have just had to re-subscribe for the fourth time! KZbin keeps unsubscribing me for some reason. I tend not to notice because your latest videos are in my recommended list anyway. This is only happening on your channel out of all my subscriptions. Not sure who you’ve upset!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Hi Dave. Many thanks for letting me know. You are the second person to tell me this kind of thing. I will take it up with KZbin

[@ML-ss4yo]

what about the Yoshino solid state batteries that are already commercially available on Bezos' Bazaar?

[@stulop]

I've been doing well with my lithium cobalt battery for over 3 years. I think I'll be alright.

[@joshuaknight1748]

Great that Mercedes is on board with purchasing super light weight cells, so they can put them in 2.5 tonne SUVs.

[@rmar127]

I recently learned why the American pronunciation of Hyundai is so terrible. When Hyundai launched in Australia they advertised the company name as close as possible to the correct Korean pronunciation. So we say Hi-un-day. Whereas in the states, they didn’t believe that the locals would be able to wrap their heads around the correct pronunciation and went with a simple Hun day. Figuring it doesn’t matter if they’re butchering the name of that are buying the product. Interestingly, in the uk they pronounce it as Hi-un-die, which is closer than the U.S. pronunciation, but still a bit off. Every time I hear Hunday, I think of a day to celebrate the Huns.

[@BrendanBurwood]

When Hyundai first came out here in Oz we used to often say Hi-un-die - even early ads had that. I suspect some at the company were trying to work out how to get us to say it properly. That's when they came out with the ad campaign using the slogan "All day. Every day. Hyun-dai." putting the focus on using essentially 2 syllables for their name, rather than 3.

[@udavster]

Please share more news on sodium. Imo it's the future of energy storage

[@user-sc8vy4jy9s]

look into Munro's showing of Sakuu's battery

[@gijbuis]

Gel electrolytes have been around since Methuselah but they don't seem to be going anywhere fast!

[@hoogmonster]

I'm looking forward to flaccid state batteries...

[@daveh6356]

Solid state is already here - have a look at Matt Ferrell's channel where he shows the Yoshino battery products. Energy density looks promising but I wonder what's been missed (lifespan, power density, really solid state?). The problem is cost at scale otherwise it would be great for EVs.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Matt had to add a disclaimer to that video. That battery is semi-solid, not true solid state.

[@daveh6356]

@@JustHaveaThink Aha - there it is. How do we verify any claims of 'today's science' or do we just believe it to be true - until it isn't?