WoW Benchmarked! 7800X3D performance in Dragonflight

[@Djuntas]

Hello update slightly later - Dont play much wow retail anymore atm, but did go to the top of the stairs again...Mind you not that many ppl around atm, bit less than the video, but im now seeing good FPS numbers compared to this video - Maybe some drivers or whatever also got better idk...But its more like 80 FPS fully maxed with ray tracing and 80-100 FPS without ray tracing. So maybe my numbers in this video is better for you aswell? I also thought for some reason WoW had support for DLSS, or FSR that would work with Nvidia GPU but no apparently.

[@lendial]

I got the 7800x3D with 6000mhz ram and using my slightly dated 1080ti at 1440p and its like playing a new game. I run at 90+ fps at all times even 20 man mythic raids and valdrakken. I was using a i7 8700k before and getting 40-60 fps in valdrakken and raid would fluctate between 20-90.

[@Djuntas]

Thats nice. 8th gen intel still great imo, but this is big uplift for sure.

[@fatfatr]

does the 1080ti still have some headroom if you lower settings?

[@jackmckenzie597]

This is a super solid review. Wasn't sure about the upgrade from a 10900 but if you're seeing thosae gains why not.

[@zigziar]

Sweet... Recently discovered that wow has a cpu bottleneck... Especially in valdrakken.

[@jofvenom]

just ordered my new PC with 7800x3d / 7900 xtx / 32gb ddr56000mhz30CL / 850w psu so I can NOT wait to play WoW with it! This video made me happy and looking forward to the good performance I will be having. Thank you!

[@Jaysthudandblunder]

Really useful review. Hadn't thought about undervaluing my GPU for WoW, but it makes a lot of sense. Plus, the point you make about saturating your monitor, very important. I don't see any point in running 300 fps on a 165mhz monitor. Thank you 😀

[@Djuntas]

Yes, wow is more CPU bound. Anyway people say to cap your FPS 3 FPS under your hz of the screen. So 162 in my case. No point going over anyway kinda, just more heat and strain.

[@Nxtrogen]

I'm going from an i7-7700k to the 7800x3d at the end of the month and I'm so ready! Gonna be a huge increase. And From ddr4 2400mhz ram to ddr5 6000mhz. Always nice to see benchmarks of specs that you're gonna be upgrading to!

[@Djuntas]

your system is still okay it sounds. Prolly even got 10 series nvidia ^^ It was much bigger going ddr3, 970 and i5 4590k. Just at the scope of 10 series nvidia is when PC stuff started to get good enough from my pov. But I would wait until Q3 and maybe bigger price drops with new cpu outs from amd, but 7800x3d is already very low price so ehh, more about snagging other deals.

[@Orlyy]

I can't pull 144fps in raids with a 13700k/4080, it's actually sad.

[@Djuntas]

Well, wow with raiding and high settings always sucked. Say massive outdoor content with ppl nuking is lagfest for me as well...30-50 FPS? For raiding Id just do medium/low settings.

[@TheCramer1991]

Man I don’t get this I’m getting similar fps with my 13900k 4090rtx and cl30 64gb ram. I was gonna take out my motherboard and cpu for the 7800x3d but this show me it’s more of a network-bound since I saw a Chinese guy raid with the 7800x3d and he had high fps always with ultra settings, I’m thinking he is playing on the Chinese servers which is why his fps is high 😂.

[@Djuntas]

Well, your 4090 is like 80% performance over 4070ti or so in some games. Granted wow is mostly CPU bound. Im also on slightly slower ram speeds :) There are no chineese servers in wow, in fact no china ppl can play wow anymore without VPN or w/e.

[@TheCramer1991]

Sorry I meant his fps was high and not low.

[@TheCramer1991]

@@Djuntasdo you think I should make the swap to the 7800x3d and give my sister the 13900k.

[@TheCramer1991]

I don’t think slower ram matters on the 7800x3d due to the l3 cache does all of the heavy duty. Was your fps impacted by the OBS software you mentioned?

[@Djuntas]

@@TheCramer1991 For me the 7800X3D is the clear winner in this generation for gaming. I don't want to have a CPU that pulls 200-300 watts when mine can do 55...So that alone is reason enough to swap. But no OBS would have minimal impact. But sure real benchmarkers they capture it through a capture card or whatever to avoid such things.

[@konstantinlapshin5010]

system: 7800x3d, 64gb DDR5 RAM (cl30, 6000Mhz), ROG Strix 4090, windows 11 pro 109-119 FPS - on MAX settings in 4k -- NO RAY TRACING, NO Vertical Sync, with opera GX, open 12 tabs - in Valdrakken, on stairs or running around. 85-95 FPS - on MAX settings in 4k, with RAY TRACING ON, vertical sync, and opera GX, 12 tabs open - in Valdrakken, on stairs or running around.

[@Djuntas]

Nice. Hope that 4090 scales you a bit then :) I see in very crowded stuff, like if 50-100 ppl out nuking stuff in open world zones my FPS drops down to 30-50 FPS. You know stuff like world boss, or that new druid whatever bullshit zone with the tree you run around helping.

[@TheCaspercc]

wow use 4 cores. Yes everything you run inside and outside wow hurts FPS. i forced my system to run on core 4 and up and ONLY wow on core 0-3. I can run a AA M+ with stable 144 FPS that was my max (I upped it to 200 FPS now) and if you limit your FPS dont use ingame max FPS that also hurts FPS I dont know why. But use rivatuner that will also give you more FPS. Those 2 tweaks i applied 1 year ago and first time ever I have such a smooth wow gaming experience

[@Djuntas]

The whole core thing and wow Idk...They added multi core support in BFA, so Im gonna assume that it works as intented for all. You can see in my video all cores boost up to 5 ghz 4:25.

[@harrylong2796]

Dude valdrakken was such an fps killer

[@olebrumme6356]

Just shows how badly optimized WoW is. I would hope for like 100 fps with that CPU, but seems not. Would your FPS increase if you played in fullscreen, and disabled fullscreen optimization etc. from the WoW.exe?

[@Djuntas]

Hey, full screen and those types of settings dont seem to matter. Even on my old PC. But yes, not super good performance in valdrakken for anyone I guess - Its the new Dalaran...

[@olebrumme6356]

@@Djuntas In my 18 years of playing WoW, this expansion has the worst performance yet. Stuttering I can't get rid of, which usually happens when loading in players or casting certain abilities.

[@brettkeller7555]

it is so bad, how with all those billions they have made we cannot get a better engine or at least optimization. I can literally look one direction and get 120fps and turn around and get 55, so insane. Both directions are same view distances too so its literally just completely different one side vs the other for no reason lol.

[@olebrumme6356]

@@brettkeller7555 I see I'm not the only one facing weird FPS issues (at least with DX12). In Emerald Dream for example I can stand still, move the camera just a little bit sideways and go from 100 fps to 50. Moving it back makes it shoot up to 100 fps again. I have been monitoring it with RTSS so I know what happens (the GPU utilization drops from 85% to 50%), but I don't know WHY it happens.

[@sparda9060]

@@olebrumme6356 Classic Wrath has that problem too during raid boss fights. huge dip from 200 fps outside of combat, then enter boss combat it drops to 15 fps and never above 30fps. I had played classic TBC before and in every raid I was capping out at 250 FPS all day long during intense raid boss fights..... Iono wtf they did with wrath classic, cuz as soon as wrath prepatch was live, it tanked my FPS during raid bosses. 5 man dungeon boss fights, its completely okay. 10 man raid bosses is completely fine too no FPS drop, but when in 25mans... huge drop.

[@psobbtutorials6792]

Weird, I'll do some more testing today. But on 1440p with a 7800x3d on a b650 msi Tomahawk with a 7900xtx as gpu I get about 80 to 110 fps in valdrakken on max settings including ray tracing shadows (which the 7900 xtx really sucks in). 6000 mhz ddr5 ram (g.skill 32cl). Honestly, I dont really care too much about the HUB performance in valdrakken, but I came from a 12400f and that cpu would drop to 30 fps and sometimes lower in raid, while the 7800x3d hovers over 100 and on some Bosses even close to 200 in mythic raids. Im happy

[@brettkeller7555]

I have the 7800X3D and a 4070 and might pick up the 7900XTX, what resolution do you play at to get those fps?

[@theonemvp5599]

This is literally the same PC im building right now. How does it feel?

[@syedie7283]

God, why are you lying to us? Max from Liquid has around 60 fps at best on a FHD monitor in Valdraken with i9 and 4090. Yes, wow is CPU dedicated, but mainly on single core and it has a stronger i3 than ryzen. So believe what you want. Wow is disastrously optimized and it really needs to switch to a new engine, because even the top high-end setup will have FPS drops and in a raid, if you don't turn down everything to a lower resolution and play at something higher than 1440p, you'll see 30-50 frames. if there are more than 15-20 people in the raid.

[@ByGeorge846]

Where's the D4 content bud??

[@Djuntas]

Hey man, haven't played it too much, just been working on campaign with my sorc. Tbh from what I've seen it's a game that needs a bit more time in the oven. I could complain and nitpick in a video but I don't think I have much to add that has not been said really. But it looks to have great potential in 1-2 years. Honestly through also just recently gotten this new PC all sorted so taking it chill :)

[@gromoffinland4990]

WoW is a weird game to benchmark. I've ran these same tests with 13600k and 3080 12gb on 1440p and I get about the results same as you with lesser hardware. Maybe dipping in Valdrakken max.5fps lower when its busy. 7800x3d is obviously more stronger and efficient gaming cpu; I wonder is the 3d cache even fully utilized in this game? EDIT: and also thanks for benchmarking 7800x3d in WoW. :)

[@Djuntas]

Oh its for sure some games thats benefits a lot more from the cache, but wow is one of the games that at least has some benefit from it from what I can see. Anyway Factorio iirc is the biggest cache example from a game.

[@sparda9060]

anytime in you in an area with lots of people, it literally becomes SERVER BOUND/BIAS. Your CPU won't matter cuz the server can't handle that many data throughput due to game's old ass engine from 2002.

[@virtualb01]

Would you happen to be able to give an update on your 13600k and wow? Any instability? Been researching for months and can’t decide on CPU and prefer intel

[@sn3ke124]

Stil have 9700k 2080ti. Get 52 fps in town. Rt meduim. Every thing ells max. Out of town its 120-143. Weird

[@Anonymous-t7s3d]

Can 4070 pull same fps? or do you need 4070 ti, could you 144fps with 3070 in old areas? locked to 144fps at 1440p? with the 7800x3D?

[@Djuntas]

No idea. Hard to tell, but check some benchmarks from HUB or similar.

[@justbcb]

I just got the intel Eqv (i7 13700k), was eager to see the results of someone who had a similar setup. Very excited to set this baby up!

[@Djuntas]

What fps did you manage with what GPU mate? I guess you also on DDR5 ram?

[@justbcb]

@@Djuntas I average 70-80 for in Val with most settings on ultra. I also have the tender scale for fidelity fx set to .2. I believe the video author had theirs at 1

[@virtualb01]

@@justbcbhow’s the cpu going in wow for the new expansion? Any stability issues since it’s been about a year in use? Thanks

[@sc_3433]

Im currently rocking a 5600g, do you think a 5800x3d will be a nice upgrade to play wow or should I got am5?

[@Djuntas]

Depends on what you want and budget. Right now DDR5 prices have gotten low etc. But sure a good CPU upgrade.

[@sc_3433]

@@Djuntas I just want to play the game and not have like 50ish fps in valdrakken, it drives me crazy have such low fps on the city doing nothing, I think it may be the CPU because the GPU is sitting in like 40% load

[@Djuntas]

@@sc_3433 Yeah WoW is mostly CPU bound. But yes horrible city...Dumb Blizzard choices.

[@linuskarlsson7492]

@Djuntas 5800X3D dont use DDR5...

[@ZondaRbg]

@@linuskarlsson7492 5800x3d to 7800x3d is not a big difference in terms of x3d, so in wow they will do same!

[@sermerlin1]

Man ray traced shadows are far from useless in this game. RT shadows give shadows to things that weren't giving off shadows even at up close... And they are properly accurately drawn with penumbra. Also medium and distant shadows exist with RT shadows where with no shadows you can clearly see shadow pop ins. And best of all shadows are entirely stable with RT shadows compared to raster shadows where you can see them flicker in the distance. And they don't use penumbra so everything is just equally sharp and looks out of place like tree shadows for example. The shadows are drawn in more detail also as well as properly shade what needs to be shaded without pixelization and sharp edges. But of course RT shadows is not for those who don't have the hardware for it it's gonna smash fps in half. I'm using RTX 3090 and it's night and day difference. Next step would be to make local lights cast shadows to make it even more effective (for example indoors) as for now it's from sun/moon. Also RTAO would make outstanding impact on the contrast adding even more depth to what currently AO does and will give even more accurate artistic presentation as corners that are hit by light wouldn't get ambient occlusion etc.

[@Djuntas]

Yeah I didnt say it was useless, just more its not that insane difference in WoW compared to other games. For most part ray tracing does make wow shadows bit better, but the FPS hit vs looks is mehh.

[@pablopadilla1794]

I'm sorry, you're using some video card? If so what model is it? since I plan to assemble a new gaming pc and I don't know if I would lift the wow just with the processor. thank you greetings.

[@Djuntas]

hey see description for my specs.

[@GodKitty677]

10900k OC 5.1GHz and 3080 TI same settings and I have a higher FPS. You get 75fps in main city Valdrakken and I get 80-90fps. Screen is full of people. Could it be server related?

[@Djuntas]

Could be loads of things yes. Did you all see the pinned comment I did? Anyways this was with loads of addons and fully maxed at 1440p. But 1080p did not change the results much either as I noted.

[@GodKitty677]

@@Djuntas I'm looking the upgrade to the 7800x3d.

[@Djuntas]

@@GodKitty677 You wont regret it. Im not happy with anything about my new PC, but the CPU is 100% good. Now a days its even as cheap as say a 13600k or 7700x almost. And the electricity bill is huge savings 5-10 years.

[@ZomgZomg007]

WoW is a game where single threaded matters. The game loads almost everything into one core, and the other 3 cores get barely used. This is why Addons/Weakauras struggle as its all loaded into that single thread. On my rig 12900k/4090. Valdrakken is 70-80fps~ (At its worst) at 1440p, and its the same at 4k (150% resolution scale). The game is so badly cpu bottle neck because of how badly the game manages threads.

[@sparda9060]

its not just that game engine is CPU bound cuz its old as fvck, its from 2002 warcraft 3 RTS game engine. The fact that its compound by Server limitations too plus the CPU bias, makes it horrible in certain areas of the game or raid bosses running a lot of addons that parses large amounts of data like weakauras or damage meters.

[@oigioioivn]

@@ZomgZomg007 get a 7800x3d your 12900k is holding your 4090 back and use alot more power

[@ZomgZomg007]

@@oigioioivn lossless scaling. No issues now

[@PSXman9]

you should test it without addons. because these results are worse than my 5800X3D. a lot actually.

[@Djuntas]

worse? What specs you on, 4090?

[@PSXman9]

@@Djuntas i have a 4090 in my system yes. but since you are fully CPU bound it's irrelevant. i have in valdrakken infront of the auction house around 80-90 FPS (max settings) CPU limited.

[@megustaq8]

please tell me you did not benchmark it windowed instead of full screen

[@Djuntas]

Dose not matter at all. Not even 1440p or 1080p matters much as I noted. Even my old 4th gen I5 970 it did not matter. Anyway if you have a 7800X3D Im always interested in other peoples numbers.

[@megustaq8]

@@Djuntas nah man im using a i7 13700k with a 4070 ti super and 1440p@144hz monitor in Valdrakkin with addons on it hovers around 70-100 fps when im outside in the open world it maxes out at 144fps (have it capped at 144fps in settings) as my monitor can only display 144hz

[@Djuntas]

@@megustaq8 Dont know what to tell you. I dont see any real differences. I also talk about addons in the video, iirc at the start. Addons did matter for my old PC a bit however :) But cap it 3 hz below your screen thats a good trick yes. Do it as well.

[@zigziar]

Thanks... Just wondering if the CPU fans ramp up like crazy in valdrakken? Wondering if the CPU is still a bottleneck?

[@Djuntas]

why would it? No CPU has ever been used a lot in games. GPU is only one that can see 100% usage.

[@zigziar]

@@Djuntas MMO games like WoW are CPU bottlenecked, not GPU bottlenecked, e.g. my 7600x ramps up like crazy in valdrakken, and I have a 3080. WoW is very poorly optimised.

[@Djuntas]

@@zigziar try cinebench if you wanna test your cpu. Cyberpunk raytraced for gpu

[@sparda9060]

Wow is CPU bias/bound. When you get a lot of people in 1 area like in cities, its basically server bound as the server can't handle the amount of data to your game client so even if you have the best CPU in the world, it will be limited due to the game engine and game servers not being able to handle a large number of people on screen at once in 1 small area.

[@zigziar]

@@sparda9060 In general yes I agree, but when you consider the polygon counts, texture quality etc of areas e.g. compare Orgrimar to Valdrakken, org runs on a potato without a CPU struggle, but vald will ramp up the fans on a 7600x with a 3080... While that is true it also seems that Valdrakken is poorly optimised and is CPU limited... I just wondered how a 7800x3d in particular coped. Without a doubt a player hub will be affected by the local player count, the above still stands.

[@WarAnWaar]

H! Ijmjust boghtthe system : 7800x3d Asustuf 7900xt 32gbg.skill6000mhzcl30. Enabled pbo+Co +sam And my frequency jumping crazy (spike)Ihaven't ot stable frequency like5000mh.

[@Djuntas]

Did you update your bios? Check your CPU in other games or just R23.

[@WarAnWaar]

Ty for your replay ; Lasted bios PO activate -30mv OC -20 v Ddr5 6000mhz expo activate Cinebench 23 1807 single core 18000 multi core But in game spike 4300 to 4600..mhz no max 5000mhz

[@WarAnWaar]

All games is the same even Diablo 4. You? Your performance?

[@Djuntas]

@@WarAnWaar I just kept all my settings stock. Cant comment on your undervolting there. But nothing odd here. Check R23/thermals. Else try ask on reddit.

[@WarAnWaar]

How is your performance in Wow?Even in stock spikes in Wow?

[@nabilkrid8207]

Velkommen tilbage😊

[@profion85]

If u lower view distance to 6 (no need to be at 10) and tweak some settings in Nvidia control panel, you will gain more fps and u won't have any visual drops.

[@Djuntas]

What settings would you even change in Nvidia control panel :)? I had to tinker a lot in it recently, that was more due to bad screen I had to RMA...Screw Asus again selling faulty crap ^^

[@profion85]

@@Djuntas I prefer Asus too, but with the latest news I think that I'll choose gigabyte or something else.

[@Djuntas]

@@profion85 Yeah man it was so dumb all this stuff lately. But I almost most hate them for the screen I bought, which they keep selling since 2019 with know gsync flicker problems. 1 google result gets you like 50 results ^^ Asus VG27AQ...avoid! Anywho I ended up getting lg 27gp850 for bit more money and its fine until oled one day comes down in price...^^

[@dan3mx]

Very nice system! I am considering if I should upgrade to 5800x3D or go all out to get 7800X3D. Are you playing Diablo 4 btw? Would love to see some benchmarks in that game!

[@Djuntas]

Id defiantly go 7800X3D if you can spend a bit more. DDR5 ram and mobo's has also gone down a bit now. Diablo 4 is not very demanding game, so haven't looked into it much :)

[@dobro5958]

Thank you for your REAL benchmark. Dropped my like. I have 13700k + rtx4080 and I have similar FPS on the stairs with everything maxed out and ray tracing on (1440p). I heared so many people say they have 90+ fps with everything maxed out. There are some clowns that claim they have much more FPS EVEN WITH OLD CPUs like 9600k. Just look at @NekoEdit from your comments... What a joke... I had to test my system in other games/3dmark to check if something was wrong. But ofcourse its fine and all the tales about 200+ fps everywhere in wow with 150$ CPUs bought 5 years ago are from little kids trying to troll.

[@Djuntas]

Yes, WoW is just badly optimised in Valdrakken or whatever. We cant exspect more I guess. But yes I don't think Ive seen more than 110 FPS in valdrakken around the waterfountain for instance. And thats again all settings maxed minus ray tracing.

[@stefano1488hh]

In Valdrakken with all maxxed out I cannot get more then 30-35 fps with 5600k and 6900xt, it is really a poorly optimized zone.

[@Djuntas]

@@stefano1488hh Thats rough. Id like to see how my old PC would handle it then ^^

[@ZondaRbg]

@@stefano1488hh 5600k is very old ofc is normal that fps.

[@stefano1488hh]

@@ZondaRbg I meant Ryzen 5 5600X, I'm on AM4. But in any case it's not the CPU fault in Valdrakken.

[@NekoEdit]

Why are you getting the same FPS I get on a R5 3600 + 1080 Ti?

[@Djuntas]

What settings you using? Copy the same as stand on the stairs :) Tbh could also be Valdrakken is just weird. But use fully maxed settings, or slide it to 10.

[@Crondal91]

And then there’s me with an i7 4770, amd rx580 and 1666 16gb ram😂 I’m not even tempting max settings on 1440p, barely get 30 fps on mid settings in almost empty zones.

[@Djuntas]

Yeah been there but much worse than you. Id be happy to play wow with a 580 :)

[@Crondal91]

@@Djuntas oof😂 gonna save up for a new pc next year. Hopefully a 4070ti super

[@Djuntas]

@@Crondal91 yeah GL, prices fallen a lot since I did mine. Still love my 7800X3D - its absolute 11/10 but dissapointed by my GPU...Loud coulwhine from my POV, loud fans in demanding games and then ofc the 12GB Vram which is not a problem...for now. Anyway I hate noise, and my GPU is too loud despite undervolt on it which does make tempts great.

[@henrykim4230]

It's wow... it runs on any pos computer like Roblox

[@Djuntas]

POS comuter vs valdrakken is not petty through :P My old 4th gen I5 and 970 is not happy. Neither is my lower 11th gen I5 integrated laptop.

[@henrykim4230]

@@Djuntas it's only valdrakken where you need the CPU power. Dungeons and raids are fine with pos computer. It's wow man dinosaur game it will run.

[@Djuntas]

@@henrykim4230 hell no. Raids 5 mans even worse. My laptop have about 60 fps all low settings in Oribos back then. Maybe if you have 680m/780m ryzen integrated could work, but not my laptop🫤 Another laptop im using temporarily now only is about 40-50 fps in classic wow stormwind all low even render scale. Granted its truely a pos…dual core i5 u 7th gen.

[@henrykim4230]

@@Djuntas I will make 20 on time with your pos computer 😅😅😅😅