WoW Gold Seller Exposes Blizzard's Secrets | Asmongold Reacts

[@akindel6590]

I helped manage a private ffxi server and we had plenty of tools to detect cheaters. The idea that a mega corporation can't is laughable. I have been convinced for over a decade that the companies are involved.

[@yrrahio4169]

naturally. In few private wow servers i played on, drama that involved rmt and specific server currencies was usually conected to some crooked gm . After all , they can print the currency , why not give yourself a few extra bucks by either letting something go under the radar or selling something yourself.

[@dragonsauce358]

They aren't involved. They don't care because it keeps players coming back

[@dragonsauce358]

I can not play for a year, come back and pay 50$ for a decent amount of gold. That's worth it over the time it takes to do it naturally

[@TheZeagon]

no shit thats why they added wow token so they can get a bigger cut to begin with lmaoo

[@MariaCorrea-mr2gy]

Oh, its a very researched field to check accounts for money laundering and other things even if you cant directly check the vulnerabilities. However, I don't have an issue with Venezuelans being able to make a living selling gold on wow or any other game, good for them.

[@valorianyt1955]

Glad to see blizzard helping to make small companies to give more people jobs *❤*

[@conrad_yt]

The best part is the employees are probably better off than if they worked for Blizzard directly.

[@valorianyt1955]

@@conrad_yt ya

[@grapesofhypocrisy9842]

These are mostly run by employee's or ex employee's since blizzard wouldn't pay a living wage and they have access... need to pay rent... make a side hustle with your access... thats how this all started... now its a plague ruining PVP games, MMO's and almost every other multiplayer game.

[@stillnotchill2560]

Blizzard doesn't lose money because of botters. For every person that quits the game due to bots, they have 5 bot accounts paying the sub. They would actually probably lose money if they got rid of all botting.

[@ForOne814]

Yes, of course. Because getting rid of bots will also get rid of their customers.

[@coope42]

@@dendo20p It doesn't matter where the customer gets the WoW token. It has to have been bought from Blizzard along the line somewhere.

[@hado33_]

@@dendo20p buying gold is cheaper then wow token

[@ZOMBIEo07]

The more real people leave the game, the more inflated the economy gets, the more inflated it gets, the less bots are used. Blizzard losses massivly.

[@stillnotchill2560]

@@ZOMBIEo07 the point is that not nearly enough people quit due to bots. People quit due to burnout, lack of content, not playing enough, a number of other reasons, but only a small portion of people quitting the game are due to bots, and it's not enough to counteract the amount of sub money they get from botters.

[@spookypigeon]

i just figured WoW let BOTs happen because the BOTs needed subscriptions.

[@ttvBonks]

Tinfoil hat theory, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard fueled this secondary market for their game. Would explain why 3rd party seems more informed about the game than the company actively in charge of developing said game.

[@seekittycat]

moment when your "real job" doesn't give you health coverage but this company does

[@arnonymius]

You have to realize that if Blizzard banned all the bots they would loose all their subscription money etc. In addition they would have to pay people to ban the bots. The only way to get that money back would be to spend even more money to make the game better and attract more players. But nobody at Blizzard knows how to make games better.

[@Bathrezz1]

That is almost true, if you start a fresh WoW account with 1 bot then yes, all costs are out of pocket. But once you have a thriving army everything is paid for via gold exchange/tokens.

[@EndOfExistence1337]

​@@Bathrezz1So then Blizzard gets more money. Someone still has to buy the token and Blizzard actually gets more money than if they just bought a sub.

[@christopherdsuza7531]

"The only way to get that money back would be to spend even more money to make the game better and attract more players". God forbid right?

[@arnonymius]

@@Bathrezz1 That is almost true, as somebody else has to pay money to buy the tokens and put them on the exchange in the first place.

[@arnonymius]

@@christopherdsuza7531 Yeah, that unfortunately isn't how capitalism works. Why should Bobby spent money to improve WoW to compensate for lost botting revenue when the same money could develop multiple mobile games and he can just keep the botting revenue as it is?

[@jdelaney993]

I’m convinced they are intentionally letting classic go down in flames so they can drive people back to retail. There’s no way any team could be this blatantly negligent with their own product.

[@fatslapper49]

This ^^^

[@Sunless1337]

Have you... met Blizzard?

[@rizo1008]

nah these gold selling companies prob give a % to activision under the table.

[@kurisu100]

I think the management just let it happen to have an excuse for putting the wow tokens in the game. There was a simple solution: ban the gold buyer not the bots. Bots are coming back, but if you had banned a couple of thousands of gold buying normal accounts, people would stop doing it at this rate. No gold buyers no bots, easy fix.

[@Rembd]

The only reason classic exists is because they saw how many people were on private servers. It exists solely to milk the interest in classic WoW in any way possible. If that means making more money from botted accounts, so be it in Blizzard's point of view.

[@guy124]

Blizzard can't stop making mistakes

[@Losmegos]

At this point we shouldnt care if theyre making mistakes or not, we just to stop purchasing their products

[@TheAwesomeCouch]

With thus track record, can you even call it a mistake?

[@wlfxy]

​Goodluck with that lol

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

It happens so much that I am questioning if they are even mistakes at this point.

[@Wonback]

People can't stop playing their games

[@ryqarst4690]

blizzard is obviously the #1 seller of gold, it would be incredibly easy to crackdown on 3rd party sellers

[@scaryfy_paranormal]

I'm so sorry for all those people still playing this game

[@mast3r_waf1z]

so when i was looking into what to do for my masters (i finished my bachelor earlier this year) i skimmed through a few master's reports... one of these reports was apparently research on how to implement an efficient pvp bot for wow, and yes they implemented and tested it ingame

[@Willis05687]

The best part is videos like this keep being made, and Blizzard still doesn't give a flying fuck.

[@0ldar]

If people stop playing then they'll care. Stop buying expansions and stop playing. They'll be forced to crack down

[@Willis05687]

@@0ldar I'm already on that boat. I'm going to use GDKP gold to pay for my sub from here on out. Between the state of Diablo 4, Overwatch and the rampant botting in WoW, they will never get another penny from me. Unfortunately I'm merely a drop of water in an ocean of people that will continue to buy their games and pay for a WoW sub.

[@0ldar]

@@Willis05687 playing using in game gold is still playing. They need player counts to drop. Gdkp contributes to the problem with gold sellers and rmt

[@0ldar]

@@YumiiSauce worked against budlight, if people actually stopped and werent addicted to the skinner box like animals

[@derpzone7425]

they dont have to care

[@CentrisAce]

At this point, Blizzard has to have a piece of the pie.

[@seansaxon641]

The last 4 seconds perfectly summed it up. "If they dont care, why should I care?"

[@mario7501]

We had a guy from Kazakhstan in my guild who was farming an selling gold. Everyone in our guild bought from him to support this guy. He made 300$ a month in his full time job and more than twice that from gold selling

[@mauree1618]

Always love learning about the shady workings of these businesses in MMOs.

[@franciscocaeiro4007]

its not shady, its normal, for a long time. where do you think asmongold gold comes from? fans? nah, credit card

[@stillnotchill2560]

​@@franciscocaeiro4007tin foil hat

[@Ioganstone]

​@@franciscocaeiro4007 Pretty sure it's asmongold that is given to asmongold, not even the same topic.

[@charlesgentry3758]

Man, when an illegal company treats their employees better than a billion dollar company.

[@logun24x7]

Blizzard likely gets a paycheck to look the other way

[@Kngofkngs]

How is 9 million WOTLK Gold a day not setting off alarms?? Most people playing WOTLK will never see 100k in the entirety of the expansion…. 9 MILLION per day…

[@jrbaxterstockman548]

Imagine if Blizzard just hired the Ascension private server team just to constantly pump out bug fixes and adding random talent builds every week or so, spend the rest of the week balancing it

[@Onegeftw]

Awsome ide!

[@aishani86]

They will never hire the best

[@Hubieee]

Blizzard could be allegedly part of this whole scheme. Take 20-30% and let it happen.

[@DmonDaddy]

I could see blizzard devs quietly investing into this, would be a great incentive to ignore the issue.

[@hamanu666]

Blizzard executives are getting kick backs by these gold farmers. That’s my theory.

[@karolisn7956]

I'm willing to bet that blizzard has their hands in the pockets of gold sellers. This type of bussines seems unrealistic without being symbiotic

[@Dampfhammer666]

They definetely have. Other game developers in other mmos are even running their own goldselling websites. So theyre milking double

[@Drezdenez]

I bet this company has better working environment than blizzard itself

[@A7Xsyngatesfan97]

Its painfully obvious these bigger game companies like blizzard literally do NOT GIVE A SHIT. Smaller ones like Albion online permanently ban paying customers for JOKING about rmt, first offense. I'm not sure which is worse honestly

[@TyroneMarchant]

There should be a way youtube gives the same views from a video like this to the original video.

[@ZapatosVibes]

Exactly why the past months playing hardcore have been so fun. No trading, no gold buying, no boosting (im sure some people cheat the add-on, but who cares there's no reward at the end its just for the fun of the journey). It's been beautiful. And i'm very afraid this will all change come official. Hey, we had a good run at least.

[@CubeParrot1]

It won't change, hardcore is a very isolated experience still and you play on your own or with buddies. We will enjoy it to the fullest.

[@Omnipotentous]

@@CubeParrot1 Just wait until people are purchasing entire character accounts in hardcore.

[@CubeParrot1]

@@Omnipotentous It will happen for sure, but it won't affect me at all as the hc experience for me is the leveling mostly. Dunno if it necessarily affects anyone really?

[@matt-xo2vr]

it's amazing how much wow reflects the real world

[@killout18]

Revelation 21 and 22 in your King James Bible is the only way to get what we want. God himself will purge out the filth and bring the new world. And all we have to do is just simply believe on his son Jesus for the forgiveness of our sin.

[@beginendend3094]

90% of it is exaggerated lies anyway

[@anonimowelwiatko4455]

It's virtual world but people are ones playing it after all.

[@Cafe-O-Milk]

Blizzard has been taking a cut of RMT since it's been a thing.

[@torhagen]

Would not be surprised if there would be some underhanded way for blizzard to directly or indirectly profit from them

[@bryantvanderson9473]

I also do not think it would be easy to find them. With that much money and resources they can just create new accounts like P2W tops up. And with VPNs it really makes things tricky. I am not sure if blizzard has a way to reverse track through their launcher. But that maybe the only way to figure it out.

[@rannnoch]

The best part about working at Blizzard is the free breastmilk they stock in the staff room fridge, it's really good stuff!

[@jhonwick18699]

Best way to fix this is reach out to the government and tell them that there is tax there.

[@rodrigoresendes7869]

This puts reckful ban on a new prespective

[@Ocshredder714]

It would cost Blizzard money to stop them, and there’s no profit in it for them. The people deciding these things specializing in financials.

[@158-i6z]

Yeah there's a big difference between Asmon who is speculating with little skin in the game, to actual executives at Blizzard whose six-figure salaries are justified by their financial decisions.

[@zilvis1140]

So did BMAH became scuffed, because people win bids by swipping their credit cards x more times than the opponent.

[@funkiefresh]

I saw all those people run in to c'thun clumped togeather. Instantly old ptsd, that beam was flashing before my eyes there, I felt it burn everyone..

[@WolfWood893]

I said it once and I’ll say it again the gold rush never stopped, it just digitized.

[@RPRsChannel]

*_I never understood why people bought WoW Gold, when they could just get AH Addons and take over AH on their server?_*

[@tomlittlestone3388]

bc people are lazy

[@MissTrysh]

Blizzard never learn from their mistakes.

[@ninjalacoon]

I am convinced that the only way to fix this game is to promote cheats for the game. If it gets bad enough it may force their hand and in the meantime no one is getting abused by automation when everyone has access to it.

[@Feneckou]

It's already bad enough

[@kevinescamilla5000]

As a mexican who used to do pretty casual RMT years ago. I can say that just by selling m+ boosts for real money 4-5 times a day, I used to make more money in a week than some profesionists with masters degrees made in a month here in Mexico. It is such a blessing for some of us when you can safely make some money by playing from home like this. I haven't done it in years but I would do it for sure in a blink if I had the opportunity

[@MattBrain9336]

I wonder if these gold selling websites are paying taxes

[@ricardodefreitasbranco4771]

Blizzard wins two times, at least, when they sell games and "second" market. Magic tg is the same...

[@KevinOConnell00]

How do you Sue a company that isn't in America? You can make all the civil filings you want, but if they don't respond to you, you don't have any legal ramifications

[@tomlittlestone3388]

you can do something but it needs way more than a simple lawsuit. Indonesia was known for copying movies and music. At a higher diplomatic level, Indonesia has been threatened with economic sanctions if they do not counteract. The result was a complete ban on imports and exports of CDs and DVDs by the Indonesian government (like 15-20 years ago). Since my company has customers in Indonesia, they suddenly stopped getting access to the software we distribute. Only after the laws in Indonesia were adapted, we were able to sell our products to Indonesia again without any problems. So it's possible if you want to, but I don't think that WOW is so important that anyone at this level is interested in it at all.

[@BTG514]

I wonder if Blizz employees receive bribes to look the other way or are actively involved in the gold selling business on the side.

[@ChippiesBR]

Would never trust anything metagoblin says. Dude is always sprouting incorrect information.

[@KostasG-nt9pe]

I know someone in a very high race to world first guild and I can tell you that while they do boosting for gold (obviously) they don't do RMT, neither buying nor selling gold. They usually will just buy stuff for gold during the race, and then owe that gold to the players, then they make back that gold through boosting and pay back the players who gave them the BoE items or split run items. The risk for them of losing their account is too big to do RMT. Now whether some of them have completely different accounts that are not linked to their guilds in any traceable way, maybe, but I doubt that's common, especially on a guild level...

[@fabiopauli420]

it really confuses me that its not illegal to make a company whos point it is to make money by hurting another company explicitly

[@ForOne814]

Blizzard would have to actually prove that it's hurting them. Which they won't be able to do. Plus I live in Russia, good luck them trying to sue me in the first place.

[@eXcaligore]

I even get youtube ads now where gold sellers are promoting their website, whether it's for diablo wow or whatever

[@flavioromano8754]

The copium is high on this one

[@WhyFacetattoos]

They could literally just file a claim on the website selling gold it's against their terms of service

[@ForOne814]

And? It's not illegal to break TOS.

[@willowthorns]

I was making $800 a month botting a 30 year old text based MUD. You're not going to beat the bots, they are two steps ahead at all times.

[@Grangolus]

No shit? You say 'was,' did it shut down, did you just stop one day, did you get muscled out by someone with more bots?

[@willowthorns]

@@Grangolus There was multiple reasons as to why I stopped. One of them being that you are always at war with other bot accounts. I was using 3 accounts that were completely automated and worked together as a team (Wizard for buffs, rogue for lockpicking and the account that did the actual "hunting"). Mainly I stopped because I was spending all my time writing script for a game I used to love to play...

[@Aapjuhh]

It's beyond easy for blizzard to put up a trigger volume above jump height that auto bans accounts. copy paste them anywhere like giant nets. They won't, they are double dipping for sure.

[@TwoHams]

There are legitimate ways to get above jump height and blizzard would fuck that up. Engineers would be getting banned for 9 months. I had a friend in BC that got on top of all kinds of shit you shouldn't be able to doing goofy shit with rocket boots

[@k9tirion927]

It's too lucrative, has been forever, the creative cat and mouse game between the anti cheat/bot team and bot developers would have been insane. The only chance Blizzard had was to use the nuclear deterrent option and ban gold buyers, and we're talking about 6 months into perma bans, not some slap on the wrist. That would have dropped demand for it substantially because even if they only get 15-20% of the gold buyers it is one hell of a deterrent for the investment that is a mmo account.

[@tayloryoung6515]

I can vouch for Overgear. Once I learned that Blizzard couldn't be bothered to ban gold sellers, I decided I couldn't be bothered to farm in WotLK classic anymore, so I began buying shit loads of gold from them. I was getting 20-25k delivered via in game mail weekly and was never banned once. I've since quit classic, but I checked a week ago and my account was still fine. They really don't give a shit.

[@johnsmith6525]

Blizzard is definitely/someone at blizzard is 100% in on take

[@alexstreet9470]

If blizzard tries to stop this then they will show how dead the game truly is . They care cuc*ked to this behind the scenes industry and they probably in on it .

[@ForOne814]

If the game is dead, who's paying for all these bots?

[@Sylphord]

if blizzard don't get a cut of this it probably because they sales numbers haven't reach boby ears yet

[@Starsetter90]

This is why ESO probably made a skill that you can put champions points to so you can get 7% more gold every level you raise it. You don’t start getting champions points until you max out your standard level. It gives people an incentive to grind.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

this is actually so depressing... like whats the point in even playing the game legitimately at this point. there's so many scumbags ruining it with botting and boosting that unless you do that yourself you're never gonna get to the top. this practice is literally ruining the fun of the game and whatever semblance of competition there used to be in it.

[@MikBT]

Why they do not bring a program that detects if you are using bots, like valorant anticheat program or something like that...?

[@criticalcuriosity2246]

160 Million subscription revenue for 3 months (160/3 = 53 million $ / 12 $ / monthly subscription price) means 4-5 million wow subscriptions active monthly. It was 12 million in WoTLK.

[@ForOne814]

Not all subs are $15, regional pricing exists. It's way cheaper in other countries.

[@Dadbod1999]

I wouldn't be surprised if they pay off a percentage to Blizzard.

[@korndogz69]

RMT has been a problem almost as long as MMOs have existed. I remember a story where some moron paid $30,000 for a stupid sword in Everquest. When I played Final Fantasy 11, the RMT business was exclusively Chinese. They would farm NMs (Notorious Monsters). FFXI had a claim system where the first person to take an offensive action on a mob had claim to it so only the person/party who had claim to it could attack it, and get drops from it. I used to make it a fun pastime to harass RMTs by claiming the NMs they were camping, or if they had claim on one, I'd train a huge group of aggro mobs to them with a low level character and die right next to them so the mobs would swarm them. Square-Enix later made it so unclaimed aggro mobs that were a certain distance from their spawn point would despawn, but it was fun while it lasted.

[@FoxFireUnlimited]

We sold carries for real money and in-game Gil in FF14 in 2.xx-3.55 and I was the solo healer. In 2.xx, we had T13 down to a four-man and we could carry four people at a time. Square knew exactly who we were and didn't give a single shit aboot it. NCsoft, with Lineage 2, though, was busted multiple times for running gold selling websites back in the day. They actually had the gold selling websites listed as a subsidiary...TWICE...before they realized it was an admission of guilt.

[@mikaeleriksson144]

26:40 You mean like they've done in some place in America. Not charge shoplifters. Or if they do arrest somebody, release them the same day to let them do it all over again. I guess It's like a Gangster's Paradise...

[@TheArchitectOfDreams]

Blizzard is a bunch of crooks. Time for some lawsuits.

[@TheArchitectOfDreams]

@@DrewPicklesTheDarkFirst arrest them, then find something to pin on them.

[@letko6]

I think this falls in line with cheats that’s are sold and used in call of duty. It’s so widespread in that game and activision HAS to be in on it somehow.

[@12iman1]

Yeah you tell em Asmond! Right as I hit the play button your already telling them how it goes! You da man🎉

[@alexanderwaller7354]

Asmon would 100% like Greggs if he tried it.

[@msk5992]

Game booster here, currently enrolled in College and making about 3k a month just casually boosting people up some levels. Would be able to make more if I had the time :)

[@MrTbob418]

Blizzard probably takes a cut.

[@omnomaly7458]

Glad that Amongold's full personality has turned into a react streamer. Really innovative content you're putting out man, really pushing the boundaries of entertainment

[@markfaine2169]

So Blizzard fired GMs - I can only guess where people with such experience could find a job

[@Shotzno]

Is the thing that gets me about the posting the item with the low bid price an extremely high buyout is that how many times would you have to post that for that to even work on a person? Especially when you’re posting at 420,000 gold

[@1fox3]

I have noticed there was a huge uptick in GDKPs on my realm after the first gold seller video. Content like this is only going to make it worse and more accepted cuz wotlk nerds want to make money playing the only game they know how to play and these videos are basically 'how to' and hidden advertisment.

[@Queracus]

Blizz is getting a cut of all of this for sure.

[@abbamaximus6515]

Blizzard doesn't care about anything except for their bottom line profits. Truth.

[@palek555]

22:04 - 22:17 I think someone at blizzard is a fan of 2b2t the minecraft server and wants that form of gameplay in wow lmao

[@158-i6z]

Lol imagine anarchy WoW servers.

[@MrFurmos]

My friend was a booster for less known boosting communities on Discord, like Sylvanas boosting community or Frozen Throne I belive? Boosting community and he was making above average wage here in Czechia, roughly like 2k $ a month but it was straight up 12 hours a day behind a computer 7 days a week for like a year..

[@ns-sj7gi]

What happened to your RDR video?

[@Oprawindfurytv]

I met a dude in Peru that uses WoW gold to pay his $80 in monthly bills

[@matthewb1529]

Same, but someone in Brazil and Argentina. They were cool people too.

[@farkroy]

"just make a fucking cupcake" -Asmongold 2023

[@Zetherior]

I'd bet a million dollars that Bobby runs the RMT market..

[@maxstepaniuk4355]

Blizzard will start taking care of these lost money when playerbase dwindle below a certain threshold.

[@ThoughtformsOverstood]

They can’t do anything because it’s their business model too.

[@petejones6827]

would you all be surprised if activision actually sold gold to their own game they dont even have to farm it. you could literally just create money out of thin air if you worked there just give gold to accounts then sell it for real money.

[@LatiBite]

yeah i just finally did the winterpelt language thing and the whole time there was a chain of like 20+ bots zooming around mining and herbing. reminded me of the boomkin killchains

[@Aproxxsimo]

Wonder if there are any "Mod Jed" GMs stories

[@franciscocaeiro4007]

as a gold seller some years ago, trust me, it should even surpass the hundreds of millions. if you knew how much people spend on currency for games, you would be amazed. i've had a guy, just to have a better gear than a guildmate of his, spent more than 10k dollars per day for at least 1 week. by the way, its cheaper to buy gold and then buy the ingame subscription than to pay directly to blizzard. its a deep deep world, that moves so much money that people wouldnt believe. and if you think it is manually farmed, oof, not even close... imagine a pc with 20 tabs of wow open, all botting, yeah, thats the basics. now imagine full houses or garages full of computers. one other topic is why blizzard allows... blizzard is behind it. or do you think they wouldnt ban or prosecute every website selling gold. and wow shouldnt even be the most profitable. I was 14 doing around 2k per month with Lineage 2, and i was a newbie botting, imagine in korea and china. Blizzard wants RMT to exist because it keeps playerbase happy. oh and i reinforce it, its not manually farmed, NONE OF IT. BOT'S that you pay subscription, and if you buy the "wrong" bot, you get banned, but there is always 1 bot that is allowed by blizzard, why?

[@raptorking3678]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in one of these centers, just to witness even on a small scale how deep this shit goes. I 100% believe that blizzard has a hand in it.

[@memorabiliatemporarium2747]

Solution? Go full ID necessary. If you are not a human being, you're banned.

[@hardbasskvass597]

They can put an anti cheat that won't let the game run on virtual machines. they could have done that 15 years ago but they don't want to

[@Doile911]

So, in blizzards eyes, a player who uses a fishing bot to level cooking is absolutely in the wrong, but if you are in a big company and do it to sell gold, its completely fine. What the f.

[@properwaffles]

How has no one figured out how to “create” gold? If it’s that difficult to duplicate/generate then the actual generation must be tracked somehow.

[@kpro88]

I wonder is blizzard did the math and said we might lose too many accounts bots and players a like if they came down too hard on gold selling and then just decided fuck it it’s not worth it.

[@Kodama666]

this trend of indie journalism if you wanna call it that, in all subjects on youtube is pretty cool to me

[@jbsteez]

What happened to the Red Dead Redemption video lol