The Worst Babyface Turns in Wrestling | Wrestling With Wregret

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[@FrankieBlueEyes]

Hard to believe "Kane the good guy rapist" never made it on a t-shirt.

[@WCWThunderRosa]

Who would wear it tho? 😂

[@TheBlackScatPack]

@@WCWThunderRosa Vince McMahon

[@aztn19]

Or that “It’s The Magic Of Rape!!” hasn’t been made into a t-shirt or meme yet either

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

I want a Yetay t-shirt.

[@christopherstuart9190]

Well, MDAC1012, did the phrase "Luke Spencer the good guy rapist" make it onto a substantial number of T-shirts circa 1981?

[@monkeyman5866]

"But the biggest disappointment of all: he started calling himself The Doinkster" Maybe if he called himself El Doinkerino, if you're not into the whole brevity thing

[@Shadowile]

El Doinkerino... You might be onto something

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

El Doinko.

[@tj9944]

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[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

Damn, why didn't they go with that? He could've called his Survivor Series team name Los Doinkernobles de Clown.

[@Baastilein31]

The Doinck

[@jeremywilliams5141]

Mark Henry is a better heel than a face. As a heel, he was the European, ECW, and World Heavyweight champion. He was more of an indestructible badass in the ring.

[@seanthomxx2694]

Here's the problem: Stone Cold is legend because he didn't change his behavior when he turned face. The same with the Rock, Undertaker and (most of the time) Kane. It was working for Elias had it not been for bad booking. If Mark Henry and Miz kept the same persona and cut the same type of promos during their face turn as they did heels, they would have probably be more successful

[@CallumDickson666]

As a face he provided your single & lonely grandmother some much needed lovin.

[@shawnL2004]

I think if mark henry beat john cena he'd be one of the best face simply by beating God like how cm punk was kinda the heel going into mitb 2011

[@superstarthomas]

His heel run where he was breaking peoples legs with chair was his best heel run.

[@erebustheslackerrr]

Yea but Sexual Chocolate was entertaining

[@mattdeakin1472]

"Long before people stopped caring about Alberto Del Rio as a human being" 😂😂

[@SegaDream131]

All I ever got out of that guy was he was from Mehico....

[@ItsStevieBoy]

Imagine serving 2 years in prison because you were upset a McDonald’s was shut.

[@toppingclover7561]

I lived in the area at that time. It was highly entertaining to watch the local news. Also, when this incident happened, IIRC, Patera and Mr. Saito were on the AWA roster.

[@MightMouse2174]

No it waz definitely him fighting the police probably helped add on more of that time .....

[@MovieEggman]

The 1980s were a different time, to say the least.

[@skippythealien9627]

@@MovieEggman no twitter as an outlet for rage lmao jk

[@BeeBumper]

Alcohol

[@tonythepokemonguy751]

“Shane O Mac Shane O snapped” such a word smith *chefs kiss*

[@e93sports80]

That should be on a T Shirt.

[@name3236]

Word smith, not wordsmith, but a word smith

[@claymathewselevator8121]

THE BEST IN THE WORLD

[@TheDoctaJS]

To be fair, pissing off Triple H during his reign of terror was pretty much what defined babyface status back in those days.

[@Hillthugsta]

or any of his runs as champ really. Even Brooklin Brawler got a pretty good pop from beating HHH.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

I came so early the monster trucks are still pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing.

[@joshuahirst7218]

And pushing the trucks back and forth it just keeps going on forever and they're not keeping score

[@Matt1yu]

They just keep pushing alooong!

[@djpegao]

_♪The giant feel off the ledge and it's presumed deeeeeeeeeeeeead....... 0★♪_

[@Eminem200183]

We need that and the WrestleRock Rumble on Spotify now. Lol

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Absurdly humorous

[@Imps603]

I'm here so early Big Show is still a face... or a heel... or whatever

[@MrCubFan415]

here, I’ll help. I’m so early Big Show is still Paul Wight

[@rayejohn79rj11]

@Yupify by the time you finished posting and hit send Big Show will be a face again...or a heel..whatever.. lol 😂

[@elmagnificodep]

@@MrCubFan415 I’m so early Paul Wight is still Andre the Giant’s son.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Big Show is a wild card.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

I'm so early Big Show's monster truck is still pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing.

[@edward66703]

Only took 7 years to get this video lol

[@michellemarty7510]

You slapping away the "It's the magic of rape" thing always makes me laugh. Thank you.

[@BBoy4040]

I never really looked at it like that. Heel Doink was a disgruntled clown who failed at making people happy and found the only thing makes him happy is seeing others be miserable. Matt Borne was amazing.

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

matt borne heel doink was incredible. it was one of those "only guy could ever make this work and he's currently the one in the role" gimmicks.

[@mattjones5531]

Matt Borne knew his in-ring psychology, i believe he once told Mick Foley that a good Heel doesn't do things such as eye gauges and low blows out of desperation but because he enjoys doing them, his mannerisms, his demeanor everything he brought to the Doink character was gold, you'd believe he could and would actually want to hurt you. Matt Borne was truly often imitated but never duplicated when it came to playing Doink the Clown.

[@bashamd96]

Borne getting the ax is 100% why they turned Doink face the character was still over so it'd be a waste to just remove him but nobody could heel Doink like him so they had to hope a face turn could work and sadly the character is tainted cause that was equally shit as a post Borne heel Doink

[@Baastilein31]

@@mattjones5531 it depends on the gimmick. Not every heel is a sadist some are just opportunists.

[@Baastilein31]

Nobody seems to mention Bray Wyatt when talked about the influence of the heel doink character.

[@michaelmythology]

The problem with The Miz's face turn is that they took away his greatest weapon, the microphone. Heel Miz is forever the the mic getting promo time to help build feuds but when he is a babyface, he never gets that chance. The most they let him down was host Miz TV to build OTHER people's feuds.

[@MrBeardsley]

I was surprised Charlotte didn’t make the list, but then I remembered she’s never really had a proper face run. Whenever they’ve tried to turn her it never seems to get off the ground usually because they just don’t commit to it. The one time it seemed like they were gonna really make a go of it, it completely backfired and they accidentally turned Becky Lynch into their most popular babyface since Cena’s peak.

[@ralphjb]

I was there that night at Summerslam 2018. We cheered the shit out of Becky. It was awesome.

[@shaunelliott8583]

And yet funnily enough, that's why she probably should have made the list. After all, it's the worst face turns, not the worst face runs

[@TaliaIGhul]

I never looked at Charlotte's last face turn as a face turn....more like a tweener.

[@shaunelliott8583]

@@TaliaIGhul exactly. That's why it is a poor attempt at a face turn

[@flamingythermit314]

Nonono the summer 2017-summer 2018 "who can I make magic with next?" Charlotte flair was most definitely a baby face and an atrocious one at that. They were still calling her "the queen", she still wore the fancy robes, but she was so incredibly wooden on the mic it was painful. Becky lynch catching fire was the best thing for Charlotte's career

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

Look out for the best and worst "tweeners" coming in 2026.

[@TheBlackScatPack]

2025 and 2030 respectively

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

We already know the best tweener on the list.

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

@@jasondyrkacz8270 that’s right. Santina.

[@skippythealien9627]

who on earth would even be on the "worst" list lol

[@Lunacorva]

Give Lucha Underground more flowers. They actually managed to book a convincing babyface Alberto.

[@dieselx506]

FACTS, Lucha Underground is actually a top notch show, or it was

[@1krani]

To be fair, they booked him like that in a Mexican Godfather gimmick. Not exactly a typical babyface character to play an implied crime boss.

[@barrodexteriit.9301]

Lucha Underground, by far, is my favorite wrestling promotion ever. It's just phenomenal too bad it got cancelled.

[@1krani]

@@barrodexteriit.9301 I blame lack of push. It was on a premium channel and the only reason I ever heard of it was because an internet reviewer I follow made a video about it. Even then, only watched it because it went on to Netflix. That was a show whose production demanded a better time slot and it barely made back its money. So, they canned it.

[@talb4601]

@@1krani NETFLIX should buy them out.

[@SethColby69]

Honestly gotta say that drew mcintyre is probably the best babyfaces we've had in a while , he's excellent at promos , is smart in not falling for the most obvious heel tricks that every babyface falls for and he's just badass. seriously THAT'S how you book a babyface

[@Venemofthe888]

Hes is probably one of the best performers all round that there is

[@lynackhilou4865]

Yeah I like he's the more badass babyface rather than the typical naive one wwe loves so much

[@KitsuneRokaku]

Maybe because he pulled those tricks as a heel. He would probably start to fall for it then realize "...Hey, wait a minute"

[@scottnomore9489]

He is also a smart ass to a degree you can not only smirk with but also see potential for a later heel turn if they want to go that way in a few months.

[@Baastilein31]

Hes still too clean tho

[@HandsomeSassage]

Miz’s 2019 face run just screamed wasted potential

[@aamirkhan-iq9gl]

Ikr not his fault. Stupid booking, having him to shane on 3 different occasions! WTF!

[@aamirkhan-iq9gl]

@My name may be Keith in 2018 i was behind miz and so were most of fans who began respecting him for ic runs he had since 2016. Yeah he is 100% better heel but that was the time for face miz to work

[@Daxter-hl7dw]

Miz had better face moments when he was a heel going off on Roman and Cena.

[@martinmortyry7444]

@My name may be Keith i call bs. I loved heel Miz, his feud against Dolph Ziggler was the best midcard programme in ages. His face work is very awkward, but it's mainly due to his affiliation with the "bad guys" and serious mistreatment on WWE's side.

[@martinmortyry7444]

@@Daxter-hl7dw and Bryan. Don't ever forget the GM feud.

[@shawnL2004]

its weird how randy orton became a face in his later years by simply being him and rko'ing fools

[@BmanTheChamp]

To be fair a lot of that was because of those RKO Outta Nowhere meme videos.

[@shawnL2004]

@@BmanTheChamp I still count that as how randy orton sells rkos. Wouldn't be the same if anybody else did it

[@almightycinder]

His entrance theme literally saw he's schizophrenic. Possibly bi-polar, and a bunch of things Vince doesn't understand. He doesn't need a reason to turn heel or babyface. The voices told him to.

[@AngryIrishBenjamin]

People could relate to a guy who just does what he wants when he wants, and in style. Who among us hasn't wanted to cut loose and smack the unpleasant people around us some at least once?

[@shawnL2004]

@@AngryIrishBenjamin agree. It's like a stone cold type deal just more agile And for longer

[@evandemers3753]

Kevin Owens as a babyface didn't exactly set the world on fire. Funny, considering the fact that his best buddy, Sami Zayn, who came into WWE as one of the biggest natural babyfaces one could ever imagine, is actually doing quite well for himself as a heel.

[@reddeath5791]

I’ll admit that Sami Zayn is a great heel, but I’m longing for him to turn face and be pushed to the moon. Sami Zayn just seems like more of a babyface and he deserves to become world champion

[@chihollywood9379]

@@reddeath5791 i actually rather c him pushed as a heel

[@reloadpsi]

Del Rio as a face was crap, but his double turn with Ziggler was one of the best double turns I've ever seen.

[@RyanPelley1]

Absolutely agree. It's just a shame that the fallout was Ziggler feuding with AJ and Big E.

[@standardofexcellence]

There aren't that many

[@reloadpsi]

@@standardofexcellence Also true. Not easy to do well all the same.

[@toptenguy1]

3:55 : Did Owen CHOOSE to stay? I thought Vince refused to let him out of his contract, while he felt Bulldog and Anvil were expendable?

[@MrTaylorAries]

He refused to release Owen with the others so he didn't have a choice really

[@GloTheActivist300]

I always hated how Vince and Kurt just turned heel the night after Survivor Series. Jericho nearly cost WWF that night yet other than forcing him to face Kane on Raw, Vince backed Jericho even helping him win the Undisputed Title.

[@seanthomxx2694]

" the World Cup winner Shane Mcmahon, the wrestling world cup not the soccer one" *Please don't give Vince Ideas*

[@VI_V2]

Actually TNA beat him to the punch.

[@seanthomxx2694]

@@VI_V2 I missed those, back when TNA maintained good relationships with Mexican and Japanese promotions

[@jordanthomas7798]

Messi is the Hulk Hogan of football

[@kenterminateddq5311]

Ahmed Johnson should be on both the Top 8 Worst Heel Turns video and this video. Ahmed joined the Nation, a group that he tried to take down for months. Then right after Ahmed joined and got injured, he got kicked out by the Nation and became a face again. WTF?

[@kenterminateddq5311]

@Jay Harv28 ....and then turned into a doppleganger of Abdullah The Butcher later on.

[@Eminem200183]

Good Point Ken

[@supermario_49]

Nothing better than a Wrestling With Wregret “Worst” video!

[@kenterminateddq5311]

Nothing better than a Worst video? What about Zane's wonderful "Classic PPV Review" series? :)

[@mrlaidback83]

@@kenterminateddq5311 especially with that old school west coast hip hop intro

[@supermario_49]

@@kenterminateddq5311 That too! His Classic PPV Reviews are awesome, especially when he’s reviewing bad PPVs so it still technically falls in the “Worst” category xD

[@fernando.3692]

I feel like people always ask for heel turns from wrestlers because being a heel is basically allowing more freedom in their promos as a badass- you have to take caution in what you say or do because those actions may not make you look like a good guy

[@Xehanort10]

Other promotions do faces pretty well but WWE's faces either have no personality or character beyond good guy or girl, are gullible idiots who fall for whatever the heels do or are pricks who are more heelish than the actual heels. The way he acted in some storylines the John Cena character came off as a delusional heel who'd convinced himself he was a heroic face which the Firefly Funhouse match with Bray finally acknowledged.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

I just imagined a song "Kane the Good Guy Rapist" to the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon."

[@salvatorebigpussybonpensie3352]

Im gonna need the lyrics to this

[@mychaeljones7526]

hahahha Horror movies are shit

[@Thundarr100]

The thing is that Kane's face turn COULD have worked. If Lita had gradually appeared to have warmed up to Kane, possibly from Stockholm Syndrome, then Kane's face turn could have made at least SOME sense. But the way they handled it was too abrupt. I guess they kind of had to, because people would have noticed that Lita wasn't showing any signs of pregnancy. But they could have stretched it out at least another two or three weeks.

[@quercusquercus532]

Necro has never been more appropriate. KTGGR, lived by the sea, And planned a life in politics, preferring GOP. Little Undertaker made that rascal burn, Then swept his parents ashes up and threw 'em in an urn. KTGGR, lived in the dark. And dreamt his dreams of Vengeance on his nasty brother, Mark. Not so little Bearer, stoked that rascal's hate, Reminding him of Katie Vick, his Senior Formal Date. KTGGR, unleashing Hell, Papi Paul proclaiming he rang Mama Taker's Bell. Nubile necromancer? Rising Dead Man's Dong? Puff the Magic Dragon says it's time to hit the bong.

[@trooper9249]

You know, I think Face Doink could've work if they had kept him as a darker character. Maybe turn him into something like the Boogeyman: a creepy, intimidating figure who makes heels wet themselves whenever they have to step into the ring with him.

[@djpegao]

Poor Miz.... He could be a semi decent face if he gave him a semi decent feud and a short stint, that's one of the worst things about his face runs they go way too long and have 0 endgame.

[@Baastilein31]

Nah he's just too punchable. Shawn was too but he was good looking so at least female fans cheered him. Miz ist just a natural born douche.

[@thekidfromiowa]

It wasn't even prime Shane from 20 years earlier that he was feuding with but rather bloated over the hill part timer Shane.

[@thekidfromiowa]

BTW it's weird to think that Shane is now about as old as Vince was during the Attitude Era.

[@tafua_a]

To be fair, his second face turn at least made sense. Unfortunately they booked him quite badly

[@alienraven]

I agree, under the right circumstances Face Miz could be great. Keep his cockyness, but make it more of a chill, laid back, RVD kind of cocky. then put him up against a super intense monster heel like Lars Sullivan for example then i think it could really work..

[@caseytune6433]

I will never forget Del Rio running down Santa, then one segment later John Cena declares to avenge him. When he yells “For Santaaaaaaaaa!!!” I lose it every time.

[@hhtptai]

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 Del Rio deserved it idc.

[@thespongemonkey]

I think miz's second face turn would have been fine had he not lost always.

[@FiveFiveOfFire]

His second one was a lot better than his first one

[@NexusFantismo]

Zane I gotta tell you : Your videos are always right on time. I’m suffering through a serious battle with depression and anxiety and your videos help cheer me up. I know that may seem silly to some people, but that small glimmer of positivity, hilarity and sarcasm that only you can bring gives me that little fuel to help me get through a rough day. Cheers man

[@graceannemorgan1035]

I went through the same thing my friend, The Lord hrlprf mr out of it so I'll pray for you and I'm sure things will get better.

[@Michael-cz6ob]

I feel ya. When I feel like that I find comfort in fun videos like these. Gives out nostalgia, laughs, sarcasm.. all good stuff

[@HeyLookItsTheGuy]

The miz from 2018-2019 could’ve actually have been a solid to even good baby face. They just fed him to every pet project in sight and he never got his comeuppance on Shane McMahon. After looking like a chump for months, fans just lost interest, and turning heel was the only logical thing to do at that point

[@ShinRyojin]

Making Seth into a good face After his return from injury should’ve been a no brainer. They hyped up his recovery on 24/7 which fans have enjoyed watching and rooting for his recovery, people were anticipating when he would return, and got a huge pop when she showed up and pedigreed Roman reigns. The buildup was there all he had to do was for the next night shoot a promo in the ring where he admits that he fucked up and chose his career over his brothers. In the process, that decision cost him his title, his health, and most of all his best friends. There should’ve been a moment where he disavowed the Authority and tells everyone that selling your soul to them would only destroy you in the end which will anger Triple H and call Rollins an ungrateful SOB.

[@GEM99Show]

FINALLY, YOU POSTED THE OPPOSITE VERSION OF THE WORST HEEL TURNS.

[@JackDManheim]

That "Quarterback to Defensive Tackle" analogy was brilliant. Well said, good sir.

[@joshuaottley7902]

"It's the magic of-" *smack* "NO! NO!"

[@KnightlyNerdandDork]

19:36 😂

[@redmangc1160]

I gotta say an honorable mention for Hulk Hogans random ass Face turn IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NWO RUN

[@aztn19]

The WCW turn from the NWO, or the WWF/E turn from it?

[@RedFox0909]

If you mean his return with the Federation there is no way he was staying heel.

[@freakfoxvevo7915]

Tbf, the NwO elite was born to die when it formed after that fateful day of January 4th, 1999

[@georgewhite8242]

Edge in summer of 2010 was pretty bad as he kept on bullying wheelchair bound paul bearer

[@MrDp115]

Considering Paul betrayed Undertaker for his sadistic son, is Edge really in the wrong?

[@paulgarcia9682]

Best part of Edge as a heel was Lita's 🍈 🍈

[@SteRDLK]

Then he tried to get over a "spear" chant. Worst moment of his career.

[@MrDp115]

@@SteRDLK that was earlier on the year but your right that was cringy as hell.

[@sethstrattan7380]

@@MrDp115true. I enjoy that since that’s what Paul got what he deserved for that betrayal

[@wstine79]

Stone Cold Soap's face turn was awfully. He became a Scented Facial Wash.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Stone Soap Clean Austin.

[@soupalex]

"if you want me to work up a fine lather and gently massage the soap into my skin, unblock my pores, and rinse… give me a heck yes"

[@Baastilein31]

Which face turn are you talking about?

[@bloodguzzler]

I was hoping you’d say the same thing about Kane as you did Big Show. “Which face turn? I don’t know. How about all of them?”

[@Thundarr100]

I don't know. Some of his earlier face turns, when he was still wearing the mask, were actually pretty good.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

@@Thundarr100 His return in 2000 with Paul Bearer was legendary

[@reloadpsi]

The Miz's face turn in the mid 10s was awful. Not the face run itself - him using his arrogance and his bad attitude to stand up to heels was really cool, but it was the setup: there were actually loads of legitimately heroic-looking moments and brief flashes of actual gallantry earlier that year (his MITB leg injury followed by him wrestling clean the following night to reach the final of that tournament being a great example) that would've been an amazing set up for that but they flat out did not use any of it; just had him disappear for a little while, come back, squash Otunga and be all "guess I'm a good guy now!" And this is why I can't watch wrestling any more, because it makes me say shit like this and wonder what the point is in watching if all I have left is "well they should've done this."

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

i'm sorry, but the miz on talking smack and chewing out enzo are two of the biggest babyface moments in the past 5 years. but yeah, he shouldn't be a face beyond that.

[@vampman87]

I remember an anniversary episode on Raw (I think it was 2011) that had Lita on it. There was a backstage segment where she approaches Kane, they seem to fumble their words because they're both uncomfortable talking about their past, and the camera then pans to Ron Simmons, who just says "Damn" and storms off. Yup, glad they played off one of the most horrific and infamous storylines as just a one-off comedy gag!

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

Makes a lot more sense now we know Vince was as much a rapist as his friend, Trump.

[@TheCrimsonOrchestra]

"Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat" -- Ken Patera, Wisdom of an Olympic Heel

[@dbone3356]

I kinda liked Face Miz in 2019, it might have worked better if he won his feud with Shane.

[@shutinpaladin6811]

Re: Ken Patera. Lol, holy shit, they booked him like he was still a heel.

[@skippythealien9627]

to be fair, Heenan had so much heel heat that anything remotely close to outright murdering him in the ring would have gotten a standing ovation lol

[@MaddMan621]

It’s a huge shame that Owen was forced to stay (you know, aside from them making him do an unsafe stunt that ended his life) Vince was using him for revenge. Shawn was against him. Hunter was against him. Stone Cold was against him. His ceiling was effectively wacky heel tag team shenanigans with Jeff Jarrett.

[@erickgarcia6379]

From what I understand, Vince convinced Owen to stay and give him a shot at the WWF title, which never happened because Austin didn't want to work with him. And the funny thing is that Austin would also bury Jeff Jarrett although that issue of them is separate, since Austin would hate him more for Debra.

[@ChanManChewey]

Yeah, that kane storyline was a weird time. The reason lita was the heel was she and edge had a fling behind matt hardy's back and when the internet finds out what u did they'll never let it go and matt got fired because of it and fans were really pissed so by proxy kane was matt. So yeah kane was the good guy after all that.

[@mychaeljones7526]

????

[@ChanManChewey]

@@mychaeljones7526 the matt hardy/lita/edge love triangle happened during the kane/lita storyline

[@patrickracer43]

Because hitting Santa Claus with a BMW 5 Series is the best way to get yourself over as a babyface

[@AJARyan-yn2uv]

Almost 4 years later and Orton, Miz and Rollins are thriving as faces.

[@jeromelancashire3278]

Brian Zane: We will be looking at the worst face turns in all of wrestling, Also Brian Zane: The list is entirely WWE superstars.

[@pippin3430]

Just like the worst "NEW" things in wrestling (also entirely WWE)

[@ConnorLockhartYGO]

Makes sense.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

1. (19:16-19:18) *Another rare f-bomb by Brian Zane* 2. (19:36-19:38) *LOL* / #Classic

[@aztn19]

12:08-12:15 as well

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@aztn19 That one don't count. He was quoting Scott Hall.

[@CHAOTIXMaddLass]

2 of my personal faves from mr. Zane 1. The top 8 worsts 2. Classic ppv reviews

[@skippythealien9627]

what about kayfabe kitchen?

[@CHAOTIXMaddLass]

@@skippythealien9627 I'm not a fan of cooking videos...

[@jll716]

14:51 - "It's hard to be portrayed as an uppity aristocrat one week and then play a relatable man of the people we the next. " It was exactly at this point that the video cut to a political ad featuring Donald Trump.

[@skippythealien9627]

talk about a charlatan lol

[@kyleolson8977]

I'm glad you finally got back to some material like this. The "Wregret" recently has been a lot of Wregrettably cheap Wrestling material rather than Wregretable items from people who should know better. It's not that you aren't putting in good work, but I think this material is naturally funnier.

[@outlawrip-offartist4161]

Just imagine what the reaction would be nowadays, if Kane and Lita storyline happened today just imagine.

[@Baastilein31]

Being already a wrestling fan at this point in time believe me: It was as weird back then as it would be today.

[@mychaeljones7526]

Imagine being called a snow flake or SJW for supporting the mistreatment of that story line where a man older than the girl...OH WAIT!!! (Aliyah and Murphy)...no, just dont put that Kane story to light. Lita was on some drugs because shes a damn fool and I remember interviews.

[@FreddyJenkins]

Yeah but if it were roman reigns I'd like to see him job to Edge

[@skippythealien9627]

oh man lol...pretty sure wwe would cease to exist i'm honestly surprised people haven't dug this shit up and tried to destroy wwe these days...but then again i think most people who don't watch wwe could hardly care less about wwe lol, let alone wanting to destroy it

[@darrenlynch6122]

I personally think Seth Rollins Face run really took a positive turn during his "Work horse" run. Working nearly an hour in some matches and really burned out after he won the universal title. Mainly due to WWE presenting him as the always smiling and joking face that some just can't get behind. Seth rollins getting the baby face momentum that lead him to a rumble win was a highlight for me from his entire run.

[@vbadger1056]

Unlike orton i will always say Seth was a great babyface. What really hurt him in 2019 was the bray feud. He was still liked and cheered by a majority of the fan base till the bray feud which was just a terrible idea

[@Homerstar]

@@vbadger1056 Well, that and his behaviour on Twitter.

[@vbadger1056]

@@Homerstar Tbh the twitter stuff didn’t effect his crowd reactions and he was still liked by a majority of the crowds after that. His twitter stuff that people were upset about were in June and July between stomping grounds and ER and he didn’t really start getting noticeably booed till the bray feud in October

[@addi543]

Seth had the same problem Shawn Michaels had in 1996 when he won the world title. Everyone that Seth could’ve feuded with that had credibility was either gone from Raw or the company (Roman, Ambrose), injured (AJ), already feuding with someone else (Owens, Joe) or on hiatus (Brock) leaving him with scraps in the form of the human wet blanket of heat known as Corbin

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Babyface Owen vs Shawn Michaels fresh off of Montreal was missed opportunity

[@Slick5150]

Randy Orton & The Miz just those type of guys where it's like they're ok at being good but they're Experts at being Bad

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+Daveyboy11 #FACTS

[@stevenbryant8160]

Facts

[@KegOfMeat]

And now Elias has turned heel again..Great. That’ face turn was a waste

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

Shane turned on miz at the fastlane rematch and mania 35 was falls count anywhere

[@johnenigma8506]

Lacey Evans is a strange case. If you know her backstory, it would sound readymade to be a babyface but WWE can never seem to capture that. I will say Del Rio was a more likeable babyface in Lucha Underground. He brought more of a fire when he was there.

[@philwill0123]

Problem is, Charlotte flair a natural heel, Sasha banks is a heel. Bayley is a heel. Becky is a great tween. But WWE have become obsessed with trying to make Charlotte a face champion for years, so everyone else has to be a heel. They forced Becky to be a heel, but she's too well liked. About 70% of the womens roster are heels, 20% are face who are bayley 1.0 imitations, and the other 10% have "quirky" gimmicks. As you said, Lacey would be the next patriot good guy. But whoever came up with the southern belle gimmick should be shot. Because it limits Lacey. And her finisher is rubbish

[@johnenigma8506]

@@philwill0123 Here we are a year later and WWE botched Lacey Evans as a babyface this time. It's funny sometimes.

[@patricknguyen7530]

Correct if I’m wrong about Owen here but wasn’t Owen essentially forced to stay in the WWE because Vince refused to let Owen out of his contract because I believe both Bret and Martha have confirmed that

[@Slick5150]

That's correct, Owen wanted out but Vince said No

[@Venemofthe888]

I think he also recently signed a new contract as well taking it till 2000 or 2001 end date.

[@joeallan3706]

doink brah, making kids cry brah!

[@Joecbg100]

Doink brahs wife saw Doink Brah Brah

[@sonicplys64]

Kona Crush

[@johnnykuhn9111]

I had never seen Del Rio hit Santa with the car before either. I was practically in tears. Hilarious!

[@SethKasso]

Been waiting for this for a long time. Much love, Bry.

[@robertmoore8821]

In Steve Austin's defense,he was never truly a heel in real fans eyes.He was still "Stone Cold" and he was very entertaining as a heel.

[@mrnice162]

never truly a heel in real fans eyes ? sounds ridiculous

[@robertmoore8821]

@@mrnice162 All the fake fans booed him when he turned heel.I'm sorry I don't play along and let the storylines get shoved down my throat.

[@leostenbuck4194]

@@robertmoore8821 They didn't boo him, they didn't care. He had X-Pac heat.

[@tafua_a]

@@mrnice162 Not after '96

[@mrnice162]

@@robertmoore8821 fake fans ??? now you sound ridiculous

[@HeyItsAJOmega]

Shoutout to 19:34 making me blow up laughing so hard I nearly fell off my chair.

[@freeparking301]

Any mention of Alabama Doink makes me think of Golden Corral hahaha...that match with Heidenreich and his duct taped gear was surely a classic!!!

[@eastsidereviews727]

Nice! Now we have to get Zane's thoughts on the best heel and face turns!

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+Eastside Reviews #FACTS

[@RomaroBrandon]

Let's be honest, The Miz face turn in 2018 was better than 2012. Sure he wasn't a singles champion but at least he and Shane McMahon held the SmackDown Tag Team Championships longer than 24 hours.

[@outlawrip-offartist4161]

When I was five years old I used to have nightmares about triple H turning on Randy Orton, and I don’t know why.

[@jonathansmith2638]

Thanks for all the great content Bryan

[@liumellowyellow666]

Hyped you used Burn in my Light!!! Even though he hasn’t used it in years to me it will always more iconic of the Orton themes

[@wstine79]

Brock Lesnar's face turn in 2003 and Charlotte Flair's face turn in 2018 were weird.

[@jackcarraway4707]

I'm surprised Zane didn't list 2003 Lesnar. He cut an infamous promo with Michael Cole that showed why he needed Paul Heyman.

[@addi543]

@@jackcarraway4707 agreed, but Brock was so red hot after beating Rock and Undertaker that they had no choice but to turn him face

[@crashpal]

Yes and no. 2003 Lesnar may not have felt like the hero but his love-hate relationship with Kurt Angle is what carried his babyface persona

[@hollywoodtre6098]

They gave up on Robert Roode waaay to fast. They give up on everyone way too fast. It’s about finding the right character and not giving up after 2 weeks and getting them wins. If he was a heel instead of face it would’ve gotten over because he could talk as a heel. We all know by now WWE has no patience and they don’t make the best choices lol

[@jleszuk]

The Miz’s is actually more likable as a heel than as a face. And I remember his victory against Cena at wrestle mania was the first time i can remember a heel being the underdog.

[@yourtheresistance3870]

Just learned like a week ago that brians a legit wrestling talent, now im an even bigger zane fan, a ZANEAMANIAC!

[@owen800xl]

When I saw this video my immediate thought was Carlito. The face turn absolutely killed him and took away everything that was enjoyable about the character, even his reason for turning was awful (constantly betraying Chris Masters). I'm surprised he's not no.1 let alone not on the list at all. Did you simply forget him or did you not see the turn as being as awful as I saw it?

[@Dinobot2]

Austin's face turn in 2001 was worse than his heel turn. Sure, it was great to have him back as a face, but they really could have done it over a period of like the next couple of months slowly and organically. Plus we never got a proper blowoff to the Austin-Rock feud with Rock as the face and Austin as the heel.

[@crashpal]

Heel austin wasn't as bad as people say it is. Austin needed reinventing and he couldn't change his gimmick so just being heel while maintaining his persona was the way to go.

[@greatdaein6699]

I was in the crowd when they filmed the Christmas episode in 2013 in advance, I was 12 at the time, you know the ones who were supposed to be sad that Santa got run over by a car. Me and my friends still laughed.

[@addidaswguy]

I LOVED the Two Man Power Trip, I was sooo bummed when he got injured, also I loved "What" when Austin was doing it lol

[@ecogreco]

I think Erich Rowan's face turn was underrated. He was like a modern day version of Kane during his first face turn, where he was a misunderstood and mistreated outcast. I also think Charlotte Flair as a face doesn't make sense, because she is naturally a heel. I agree with the last entry, I hated how they turned Kane face and made Lita look like the villain afterwards. After Lita "betrayed" Kane, Lita was then stalked by Kane which is a disturbing real life mirror where women who leave abusive partners are then stalked by them. It's as if the creative staff comprised of ex-Taliban members and abusive husband who just lost their wives.

[@mychaeljones7526]

You mean old white dudes with an ego and misogny complex?

[@pepito2847]

I honestly bought Rowan as a babyface more than Luke Harper No offense, but the Harper character never came off like he could pull the tall misunderstood babyface Plus those sheep masks of Rowan’s were pretty popular if I remember!!

[@superrobz]

The Shane Douglas “teacher” face turn in wwf was cringeworthy compared to his ECW heel stuff

[@monkeyman5866]

Always loved ECW Shane Douglas because he always knew how to be a prick.

[@superrobz]

@@monkeyman5866 he wasn’t exactly wrong though with a lot of the stuff he said despite being a heel

[@robbiesilverwolf]

I’m pretty sure his teacher gimmick was a heel

[@Baastilein31]

Lol Dean Douglas was definetly a heel character. Do you folks even know what a heel is?

[@madamefeast4824]

But that was a heel character. He wasn't a face as Dean Douglas.

[@danielhess1082]

Been waiting for this for a while. Now Brian you should do the best heel and face turns

[@user-ez5nh3yz1u]

"Kane the good guy rapist" is one of the funniest things ever said. The way I read stuff like this when I was a kid and watching WWE every episode was that once a storyline ends and a new status quo is set they don't want you to think about the old storyline anymore unless they specifically bring it up in the new storyline. So once Kane and took Lita and she was "pregnant" and they moved on to the story with Snitzky the whole issue of how they got together and how she got pregnant didnt count anymore because that was from the old story.

[@outlawrip-offartist4161]

I must point out that The Miz first face turn happened on Main event, because why not I guess.

[@DaCaptainDerpy]

Hot Take: Sinn Bodhi is a much better clown than Doink. There, I said it.

[@mOoNsHiNeWiZaRd]

The warlord of weird is awesome

[@DaCaptainDerpy]

@@mOoNsHiNeWiZaRd I do love Attila The Fun

[@WWEvsWCW4life]

The editing in these videos is top notch! 👌🏾😂

[@supershadoemellentin]

Love your videos i watch several of them more then once

[@jcace13]

The top 8 worst babyface turns are all Big Shows.

[@ecogreco]

I actually think the Big Show is much better as a face. As a heel he is a one dimensional monster, as a face he seems like a modern day Andre the Giant.

[@monkeyman5866]

As a kid, I always tried to like the faces, but I could just never like Randall Keith.

[@TV-Tony]

Didn't see Miz's first face turn, but with his second I just thought he was booked really poorly, just losing all of his big matches, so he had no chance to get over as a face. He only won one match on TV against Elias. They didn't even give him one PPV win over Shane McMahon. WTH.

[@reillymcwriting]

I’ve been waiting for this for years, Zane! Ever since worst heel turns! Heck. Yeah!

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

I think Mox's WWE heel turn would make it on a revised "worst heel turns in wrestling" list. It should've been played as Dean/Mox waiting for the perfect opportunity and letting Seth build it all up for years after Seth's betrayal just to tear it all away when it would hurt the most so Seth would feel the pain Mox felt all those years ago. Instead it just turned out to be generic as all hell and never clicked at all. So yes, basically, Mox should've ended up being Akechi from Persona 5. Making a person who previously treated you like garbage think you're on their side only to rip it all away when it would hurt the most.

[@mychaeljones7526]

????

[@undertakernumberone1]

"In every kind of Media *pictures*" Me: NO JOKER?!

[@willyboi5985]

That magic of **** bit killed me Brian. Thanks.

[@TheMTwinny]

The timing of that chair shot and "Burn In My Light" at 8:11 was perfect.