WRONG Move!! The Crazy Tale of Wizz Air Flight 801

[@MentourPilot]

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[@kaiperdaens7670]

How many hours of flight time do you have accumulated during your career?

[@CMDR_CLASSIFIED]

The term is 'GIGO', garbage in, garbage out. Another popular computer term is 'PICNIC'. Problem in chair, not in computer.

[@Smartzenegger]

@@kaiperdaens7670 More than 2.

[@papahackman9241]

Can you please make a video of Allied Air Flight 111 accident in Ghana, west Africa. Would love to hear that story. Love your content and wouldn’t miss it for anything

[@Kobby_Sweetboy]

@MentourPilot We appreciate the effort of you and your team but please increase your upload, at least once a week

[@dominikadamkowski6684]

I love the "pull up" jumpscare, it was so well executed and proves the point perfectly. Hats off to whoever came up with this idea.

[@mistergooddeal_]

Bruuuh I shat myself

[@tomaiholt]

Came to the comments to say the same thing. I'd love if this team tried to create a scenario like that in full. I bet if they went a bit off script, it would be an amazing teaching tool. (Not that these videos aren't already)

[@Morziel]

I’m a pilot and was driving home while listening to this. When that jump scare hit I almost slapped my gear shift into park 😅

[@Jean-vr7vj]

@@Morziel and pull on the telescoping wheel. lol

[@NiklasVWWV]

What time stamp for this jump scare? Can't find it

[@shivanshsingh8173]

The "PULL UP" jump scare was so effective that I started pulling on my side stick control (glass full of water).

[@badaampista7872]

And engaged TO/GA (jumped up from my chair)

[@benoithudson7235]

I engaged GATO which is like TOGA but with more claws.

[@thyjhtgrfed]

@@benoithudson7235 why don't you TOG-tua and pull on that thang

[@The_Ossifrage]

I nearly dropped my landing gear prematurely...

[@guillaume8483]

I myself engaged GATO for its quick reflexes

[@kovacsemod]

Hats off to the engineers who designed the systems that gave these pilots time to rectify this situation

[@ELYESSS]

And shame on the engineers that allowed the throttle lever to move without it actually doing anything. It should have been physically locked.

[@Wintermute909]

​@@ELYESSSwhy do the pilots never on seem to get cries of shame in the comments? I've been genuinely shocked at just how many accidents are caused by pilot incompetence. Maybe that's just because I used to hold them in such high regard, and thought they all had a little bit of Chuck Yeager in them, and maybe that was naive of me.....but still.

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

​@@Wintermute909may be the fact that Peter is a pilot, he tends to paint them in good light in his videos.

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

​@@Wintermute909you know it's easier to blame rain and clouds than actual people.

[@Kratos-eg7ez]

​​@@Wintermute909 you haven't been looking at the comments, because almost every single video has people saying how dumb the pilots are when they are arrogant, stupid, etcetera. The only time it doesn't happen is when it's a genuine accident, or if people can understand why someone would make a stupid mistake.

[@balazskoti2603]

Good to hear how well and maturity Wizz Air handled the aftermath of the incident instead of sweeping this under the rug. Greetings from Hungary!

[@dioritbajrami8283]

Honestly from a Company like Wizz Air i would expect they would sweep it under the rug, especially knowing the Mentality of this part of Europe (I am from that part of Europe aswell).

[@crazyshev36]

Ah time to get the mentour pilot bingo out: Well.... No. Terrain Terrain, Pull Up! Noooot exactly... Why did this captain do this? We will never know. Now, as a pilot myself... Remember that bit of information we talked about earlier?...Yeah.. If the pilots just looked down at the instruments for one second... Aviate, Navigate then Communicate! Before we get to the end I want to take this opportunity to...

[@kasiak1288]

Remember that. This is gonna become very important soon.

[@roccitycrew3887]

And don't forget the famous lip smack then long inhale...

[@MatthcaB]

The aircraft was a beauuuutiful... And that's worth keeping in mind.

[@kasiak1288]

They started to fall behind the aircraft

[@wadestipp1833]

And now things started to happen pretty quickly.

[@RohitSingh0]

One minor correction, as a software engineer/pilot who has worked in aerospace: WGS84 is not a database. It's the system which maps lat/lng/altitude into points into 3D space. In other words, it's a map projection. Other map projections are things like NAD83 (which focuses on North America) and GCJ02 which is basically the same as WGS84 but randomly warped in China for the sake of "national security." Points on one datum will differ slightly from points on another, which is why if you look at Google Maps on the Hong Kong/Shenzen border you'll see crazy stuff like buildings in the ocean. The database that makes EGPWS work is a terrain database. This is something like SRTM (the Shuttle Radar Topography MIssion) which actually tells you the shape of the ground.

[@Wintermute909]

Yeah as a civil engineer I really wondered about that. Thanks for the great explanation!

[@anneest]

I also reacted to that 🤓 But I would rather say that WGS84 is a datum, not a projection. Another datum that we use a lot in Norway (as an example) is ED50. UTM zones are a projection, for example. So you can for instance have UTM32 with datum WGS84, or UTM32 with datum ED50. The datum defines the shape of an ellipsoid in a way (because the earth is not a perfect sphere) and WGS84 is a universal datum internationally adopted as a standard. For some areas on earth, you might want to use a datum which fits better, and you can always use a transformation to get back your coordinates unprojected, in WGS84 (or lat / long)… Hehe I stop here… 🤓

[@TitusObbayi]

Excellent catch

[@isbestlizard]

That is so cool so if I had a satellite in space and wanted to fire a laser at an exact point on the earth (or above the earth) I'd convert that lat/long/alt into x,y,z using the WGS84 transformation then figure out the dx,dy,dz from my satellite to aim the laser? o.o

[@thielenlopes]

*Goes to Google Maps to see buildings in the ocean* LMAO

[@bandamonopuma]

Hey Petter, my father is a retired pilot and i always translate your videos for him, part by part. He loves them! It would be awesome to have a spanish audio track on them, there’s a whole spanish speaking audience that would love the videos. Keep up the good work!

[@MentourPilot]

We are looking into creating a Spanish dubbed channel, just for this

[@vamsi3]

​​@@MentourPilotI think KZbin now allows to add multiple audio streams in different languages on the same video. Seen it recently on some other channels!

[@Stips93]

@@vamsi3 Maybe so, but it wouldn't monetize the same way; and these video's take an unbelievable amount of effort. People scathe over that, every animation is created by them. I can't imagine the profit lines/going negative are so thin. He needs another revenue stream, and Mr. Beast did it; it's how he exploded. This is the best aviation content on youtube bar none.

[@asi411]

@@MentourPilotw

[@aerotube7291]

Bon dias

[@KCLIBURN-mj9qx]

Another excellent video in which disaster was avoided but it was looking bad. Put this change in your penny jar and keep these outstanding videos coming! Every time I see one of these aviation videos it makes me realize just how on top the pilots have to be at all times and ready to handle anything! Thanks again to your crew and keep up the high production values!

[@robink.9459]

I have been binging Mentours videos over the past weeks and I must say the production quality is on an insane level that is unmatched anywhere. Kudos to the whole team involved!

[@MentourPilot]

Wow, thank you!

[@davehall8584]

This particular video here..i was stunned by the quality!...breathtaking!..it really brings home the visceral nature of the narrative!

[@tactileslut]

and thanks for introducing them too.

[@jacktaylorphotos]

This was quite an emotional one for me, at the moment that it looked like they were gone, and then the Alpha Floor protection came it and literally saved them. We hear a lot about the Airbus systems in some of the not so positive stories so it was good to hear it shown in such a positive light in this one.

[@Greg_P611]

Why was it emotional for you?

[@bzipoli]

the systems are great tbh, apart from i believe one or two cases (AF440 wasnt one). its just pilots being arrogant in general. the truth is more automation means less accidents and thats it.

[@minerscale]

Man it would've been emotional for me if I didn't already know about the airbus's protection systems, I was thinking 'well sure they're close to a stall but the plane won't let them do it'.

[@charles-antoinemartel-roy]

​@bzipoli it's also that it's a lot easier to update/upgrade all systems at once when an improvement is found. They might not be perfect, but if we keep finding ways to make them better, it's a lot easier to deploy than retraining humans.

[@JM87Fly]

Alpha floor is so good, Boeing uses it in their jets too.

[@damianski6959]

Its amazing how Peter sounds exactly like the aircraft warning systems when using words like " terrain" or " pull up" etc 😃

[@s-saloon8985]

His name is Petter

[@damianski6959]

@@s-saloon8985 thanks for that

[@Subscribetokstartyoutubers]

True

[@oscarleijontoft]

He's probably heard them 10 thousand times in Sim. 😁

[@1812over]

As an A320 TCE and Instructor for Airbus in MIA, this excellent presentation gave me food for thought on several levels. In the US, as you may know, every Type Rating and annual PC is accompanied by an FAA Oral. One of my favorite Oral questions is: Describe how you get to Alpha Floor, when does Toga Lock occur and how do you get out of it. There have been many incidents of pilots flying with AT OFF for practice, configuring the aircraft for approach, getting distracted, getting the Low Energy Warning, not reacting properly, going into Alpha Floor and then Toga Lock and completely forgetting that moving the TLs does absolutely nothing! . You have to disconnect the AT. The result are large Flap Overspeeds. I will use this presentation as a learning tool so thank you very much!

[@tomstravels520]

Do any have the reversible alpha floor mod? I would have thought the newest ones by now do

[@1812over]

@@tomstravels520 The A350 does but A330 and A320 do not. Don't know the A280 but likely yes. It's not a problem f you know your aircraft.

[@mofayer]

That "pull up" jump scare was on point, made me jump. 😅

[@MentourPilot]

That was the point!

[@trevorross1311]

It got me too.

[@Ellyll8T]

It got me!

[@himbaer]

It got me too. The "PULL UP" alone is scary enough, but this was really well timed. And to my shame you kind of announced it and I still fell for it.

[@Eternal_Tech]

The only thing scarier than a "pull up" warning is a "pull OUT" warning. 😊

[@Petar1984Nis]

Thanks for this story! Im originally from Niš, Serbia and I flew numerous times with WizzAir above those mountains. I’m sure that they lernt the lesson! Cheers, Petar

[@didier7868]

Learning lessons this way is unacceptable. Unprofessional.

[@imrebese5502]

@@didier7868 Unprofessional from the airline to organize further trainings and notify all their pilots about the awareness of such situation, based on the outcome of an incident that was caused by the crew of one specific flight? If only every company would be this unprofessional...

[@didier7868]

@@imrebese5502 what I meant is the following BEFORE the incident : the two pilots were off duty that day ... they were asked to fly at the last minute !They were CLEARLY not prepared to this particular landing... in that sense : not professional way of operating. That is my interpretation of the video. Maybe they were tired... They had little or no experience with the airport. Wizzair took risk. Wizzair was victim of their success. If you believe that the preparation of the flight and the flight itself was professional that is your right.

[@imrebese5502]

@didier7868 they could have said no anytime. Probably they were also compensated big time for working on off days. I don't remember that it was mentioned anytime in the video that this was anyhow illegal, so the pilots must have had enough off time since their latest flight. Yes, it's not the nicest thing to do, but I hardly believe that it's an uncommon thing among airlines, and I also think that it must have been a deal from both parties, as it is regulated by the law.

[@didier7868]

@@imrebese5502 they were on "stand by" day not off duty indeed. But it is said in the video that the captain said he was tired ... and the landing was tricky ...and so for the captain normally ....the sum of these details in the video gave me a feeling of non professionalism and pressure put on the pilot ...

[@lordvadore1960]

Peter, as a retired engineer from a major aircraft manufacturer here in the United States and was once a private pilot, many years ago, I find your videos to be exceptionally prepared and detailed. I have some time as copilot in the C-17 simulator back in 1999 to 2005, when I worked in flight test for Mcdonald Douglas, which was purchased by Boeing. That experience gave me a profound understanding of CRM. I've been an aviation enthusiast since 1965. Thanks to your commitment to airline safety and learning, believe it or not, it's made the world of airline travel safer. The current population worldwide of airline pilots would be wise to watch and learn from your vast experience and expertise. Kudos to you and your team. Nuff said!!!

[@s9dsd]

Also, as some other people said it, the situation is the same for me: I never heard of this incident despite being a Hungarian, reading Hungarian aviation websites, being part of aviation groups, and knowing many Wizz Air pilots and cabin crew. Very great find Peter, as always, a fantastic video, and now especially special, because it was about an incident which I think never ever anybody covered before!

[@pavle8048]

Thank you for new video Mentour! Fun fact, yesterday was 38th birthday of Niš airport. It was opened on 12/10/1986 and it is second biggest airport in Serbia.

[@draganilic4187]

Regarding Nis airport, 5 -10 years ago, during heavy snow, a Wizz plane tried to land at least 5-6 times. After the last attempt, he left for Budapest. I know because I was following on the flight radar and the runway 29 landing corridor is above my head. A wonderful video that explained to me how complicated Niš airport is!

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed. And in such a case: Better divert than fly the Aircraft into a mountain or stall it.

[@stefansekulic7903]

Why Budapest? Aren't Sofia and Thessaloniki closer?

[@DouglasCarnall]

​@@stefansekulic7903Distance is obviously an important factor in divert decisions, but they also depend on the weather & other operational factors such as the presence of maintenance facilities etc

[@Dirk-van-den-Berg]

Was that still at the time that Nis had this non-precision approach? Or were they already upgraded to a Cat. 3 ILS-approach?

[@draganilic4187]

@@stefansekulic7903 Even to Belgrade, the weather there was much better and clear

[@alexthemess101]

This is the earliest I’ve been to a Mentour Pilot video - keep up the good work man! I’ve watched so many videos of yours that I can’t find ones I haven’t seen!

[@Arvl.]

i guess i'll watch this before sleeping XD

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

UK Railways suffer a similar issue. Train moves without passengers are known as "ECS" or "Empty Coaching Stock". They have an unusually high number of incidents, frequently down to the more relaxed approach of the staff as there are no passengers..

[@fetchstixRHD]

Didn't know ECS had an unusually high number of incidents, you learn something new every day!

[@sheldon97sheldon]

I never click on a youtubers videos quicker than Mentour Pilot. Always quality content.

[@MentourPilot]

Excellent! That’s what I want to hear 💕

[@AlexFilozof1996]

@@MentourPilotYou are amazing, you made a video about the flight to my city, Niš (Nish)

[@sibonisoduma5878]

​@@MentourPilotlovely work.❤

[@thephantomeagle2]

Yup. No need to Google or wiki. I’m so sick and tired of clickbait “1000 feet from disaster”, “passengers shocked by flight”, where it’s just garbage, or a tease for other unrelated video.

[@ack_]

I got jumpscared from the "PULL UP", and it feels really startling when you don't expect it, I can only imagine how much pressure you must be under if that happens in a live cockpit

[@kaiperdaens7670]

9:05 it is interesting how the egpws is both the one thing pilots never wanna hear but also the thing they never wanna not hear. And passengers especially don't ever wanna hear it during a pa or something.

[@r0dani3lb]

This story is actually both frightening and reassuring because I also stay close to an airport surrounded by mountains (quite similar landscape to that in Serbia) from which Wizz Air operates. This story actually brought more information about how such landings are done and what systems are helping. Thanks a lot !

[@matehavlik4559]

Niš is pronounced "Nish", a bit confusing, sounds like Nice in France. Budapest is BudapeSHt too, but that doesn't matter 🙂

[@MentourPilot]

I had a feeling that might be the case

[@matehavlik4559]

@@MentourPilot Amazing video though, I remember reading about it back in the day.

[@marcellkovacs5452]

Even most Hungarians pronounce Budapest with the English S sound when speaking in English, it's perfectly fine.

[@excentrik5725]

@@MentourPilot Fun fact, one month after the incident in the video happened, there was a funny situation, Czech tourists wanted to spend holiday in Nice, France, but their tourist organizer bought them tickets to Nis,Serbia obviously making a mistake because the similarity. They were a little confused when the city looked a little different from the photos they saw in tourist pamflets :)

[@SilverPanic85]

I figured it was in France at first. It is the home of AirBus

[@jondellar]

Having this level of step-by-step detail about real events within a cockpit is most informative. I've never liked seeing just "pilot error" in media reports. That's just lazy journalism and doesn't reveal anything of what actually went on. Thanks, Petter! 🙂

[@howdan1985]

Captain Petter, Thank you for yet another absolutely fascinating air incident investigation video. I especially enjoy your European episodes like this one. 5*

[@igordimovski1856]

I am a nervous flyer and 2 weeks ago was my first flight - from Skopje to Ljubljana with Wizzair (what a coincidence) after I started watching your channel. I wanted to say thank you because I was more relaxed than previously because of all the videos I watched from which I understood how airplanes fly and how accidents can only happen as a combination or factors and bad luck. I am no longer afraid of landing because I know how ILS approach works…too bad I still have the anxious feeling when we are climbing during takeoff. I am afraid that both engines will fail and stall will happen 😅😅 thats just my pre-flight anxiety…well at least it lasts for 1-2 mins and I can enjoy the rest of the flight

[@rock-bottom2023]

SpaceX just caught a Starship booster out of midair! AND a new Mentour Pilot Video! What a great way to start a day!

[@kaiperdaens7670]

Lol here it is 15:05

[@MentourPilot]

Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, SpaceX are doing some amazing stuff!

[@AadidevSooknananNXS]

That "pull-up" jumpsccare at around 33:27ish was GOLDEN I physically leapt forward

[@N.A.0901]

Thank you so much for putting a time stamp in your comment. I do really badly with jump scares and I could see that there was going to be one from the comments, but none of them said when. I was about to just have to miss this video 🤣 thanks again!

[@00shivani]

@@N.A.0901 it is not that bad…. 😂

[@basedneeble7350]

I have to say, the graphics you use in your videos are always so detailed and amazing. They really help me understand the concepts you are explaining so clearly and beautifully. It makes it such a pleasure to watch!

[@martontichi8611]

🤗🤗

[@swiftboi8077]

This is perfect to watch 1 week before my Wizz flight over the alps😁

[@tureq85]

don’t worry!! lots of tunnels in the Alps to fly through 😂

[@solinvictus6587]

Wizzair have been operating flights for 20 years and they had only one minor incident since then - an emergency landing because of the malfunction of the landing gear. So you don't have to worry, they're a perfectly safe airline.

[@philippal8666]

I mean, as long as they don’t land in Interlaken you’re pretty safe.

[@yondergirl83]

Im the same! Off on holiday in Ryanair tomorrow

[@Ernom976]

My old PPL instructor told me: "Learn from other's mistakes, because you might not live long enough to learn from your owns!" Always true!!

[@16rightCTL]

This sharing of responsibility in the cockpit is burnt into my mind since an approach in a 172 into Page airport. I was on the Right side responsible for Radio coms and navigation, nothing else . On final approach we came in way to high being not familiar with the airport, even though it has a long long runway. But because we where usually trained on landing on short grass strips, I called out go around and in panic then all off a sudden put the flaps to 0 without announcing it. My friend flying was completely startled, the stall warning came on and we sank singnificantly. Fortunately we recovered and landed safely but ever since I don’t blame the pilots in your examples. All of a sudden everything becomes to speed up and happen super quickly… even in a Cessna 172..

[@michaeld451]

33:25 it actually was a real startle

[@Snakyy1]

Good demonstration

[@euromicelli5970]

YES! Nice touch. And effective

[@mairios521]

Damn! Great demonstration!

[@sebastianv.270]

Hi Petter, despite not being a pilot I enjoy your videos for quite a while now! I work in quality assurance and therefore I especially appreciate your approach to mistakes and how to deal with them! I have a similar mindset that a mistake made should be a lesson learned! Not reporting a mistake is often far more worse than making the mistake.

[@TucsonDancer]

I love a good “get your popcorn” video (i.e. - exciting to watch with no loss of life)! 🍿😎 -Greetings from the Patreon crew

[@LuigiRosa]

That's a video that people working outside the flight industry should watch and that exactly the reason why, as an IT professional, I watch Mentour's video and try to learn. Thank you Petter!

[@gin3383]

i really appreciate the startle simulation you gave at the end lol that "pull up!" actually made me jump xD great work as always

[@Ticklestein]

30:47 - I’m just thoroughly impressed with the performance characteristics of an empty A320.

[@philippal8666]

I know! It’s a mini rocket ship.

[@ModernClassic]

One quick little thing for your animation team - in the A320, if the PF is the FO, it would be AP2 that's engaged. That's on purpose so it's using data from the FO's side. Otherwise, though, great video on another incident I had never even heard of. As an A320 FO, I would hope to never make these sorts of mistakes but it's easy to see how they can spiral without the proper approach prep. I always look over all the potential arrival procedures before we even take off, and then again while at cruise during the flight; I feel like the real root cause here is that the pilots were seemingly not even aware of the existence of the procedure they were finally assigned. There's really no excuse for being surprised by something like that even at an unfamiliar airport.

[@mita6010]

Best graphics out there in the KZbin universe. Your thorough explanations of these incidents are highly informative. Thank you 😊

[@kobe211]

Peter, will you ever cover the Germanwings catastrophe? This accident gave me nightmares for months. It was so bad that I developed a fear of flying, even though I was a frequent flier before. It got to the point where I needed help from a psychologist. The therapy helped me get back on a plane, but some fear always remained-until I found your channel! Now, I'm flying and enjoying it like I did before. I think I’m finally ready to hear your take on that catastrophe. Thanks!

[@MentourPilot]

That particular accident is very hard to cover for me. I prefer to cover accidents and incidents where there is a learning point.. but that story is just dark. It was a mass-suicide/murder with nothing positive to draw from.

[@kobe211]

@@MentourPilot make sense. Thanks for answering and keep up what you are doing. You helping a lot of people!

[@volvo09]

​@@MentourPilot I agree with your take on that, there is nothing to learn, it's just gruesome, sad, and frightening.

[@asi411]

@@MentourPilothow about that bek air 2100 crash? That was surrounded in shady details

[@Person01234]

@@MentourPilot I wouldn't say that. The incident resulted in a slew of new rules implemented by airlines, although a lot of those have been rolled back by some now (including germanwings), presumably because they cost more. It's not like we didn't learn anything from it in terms of operations, we are simply ignoring the lessons (I'll leave it up to debate whether ignoring them is justified).

[@KingOfTheSkies1]

As a Serbian i gasped when you mentioned Nis and Serbia, thanks!

[@krieger3511]

И одвојио Космет…

[@KingOfTheSkies1]

@@krieger3511 boli me dupe

[@srbaleks-3371]

He only used the wrong map of serbia 😶

[@stefansekulic7903]

​​@@krieger3511Да и Бугарску и Црну Гору. Срам га било.😅

[@stefansekulic7903]

​@@srbaleks-3371Really? What's wrong with the map?

[@ClaysonAntoons]

Another fabulous video Mentour. This incident shows how quickly things can go very wrong if standard operating procedures aren't adhered to and how one mistake can lead to further complications down the road if not rectified early. I also agree with you concerning Airbus thinking of not having linked/force feedback sidesticks and moving thrust levers. Tactile feedback is a valuable thing to have and to not have it in the Airbus limits you to only visual cues, which alone isn't the best, especially when in a very complex situation, even if it's managed quite well in normal operations everyday. And in regards to the dual input warning, with high workload that is either not heard (due to loss of hearing in stress) or cancelled due to stall warning and ground proximity warning activation. While it's easy to criticize Boeing nowadays for their various problems with their latest aircraft in production, at least they got their flight control system absolutely spot on (excluding how MCAS originally was on the 737 MAX).. Force feedback and synchronized controls and self moving throttle is the way to go. I never understood how unlinked and non force feedback sidesticks and non moving thrust levers was an advance in aviation safety. We have seen enough Airbus accidents and incidents to show that's not the case, especially when it comes to the sidestick. Of course dual control is possible in Boeing too (Egypt Air 961 and Air France 11) but I think the Airbus solution is much worse than having synchronized and backdriven controls. All that said, Bravo to Airbus for the ability for the Autothrust system giving full power automatically whenever the airspeed gets too low in normal law. This is something I wish Boeing implemented in their aircraft. That's a great safety system right there.

[@tomstravels520]

That still doesn't prevent a crash. The Sriwijaya 737 that crashed had one of the thrust levers move back on its own......without the crew noticing

[@ClaysonAntoons]

@@tomstravels520 Of course not by itself it'd prevent a crash. I am aware of incidents like the Asiana 777 accident where the levers moved and the crew still screwed the pooch. The purpose is to reduce the possibility of things getting worse with feedback in the controls or aid in resolving matters sooner. If it fails, it fails, but that doesn't mean non feedback controls are the best solution. The mentality should not be "it doesn't matter if an aircraft has all the tactile feedback cause pilots can still crash it despite all the control feedback, therefore we don't need such feedback controls in the Airbus". That isn't the best way of seeing things. Anything that can help aid safety and enhance situational awareness like the airport moving map in the cockpit of modern day aircraft like the A350, feedback controls, Vertical Situation Display etc should be welcomed if it means the chances of an accident happening is decreased.

[@Marc443]

I flew the A320FAM 15 years and is a fantastic aircraft. Sidestick-handling is brilliant and that the thrustlevers are not moving is no problem. Watch your FMA at all time!

[@Kenionatus]

Is there a reason to not have moving thrust lever, besides cost?

[@ClaysonAntoons]

@@Kenionatus Airbus don't deem tactile feedback necessary, so they didn't include such in their aircraft starting from the A320. It prevents them from having to put in backdriven throttle motors but takes away a tactile cue.

[@verdunluck1578]

I too spent a good number of years as an A320 Captain and I agree with you that the non-moving throttles are not a problem, you quickly get used to the idea that the "donuts" on the N1 gauges give you that information. It would seem that "dyed-in-the-wool" Boeing pilots have problems with the idea. Once you accept that the throttles are computer input devices it is easy to accept. One great advantage is the complete absence of throttle stagger, if you put the throttles to a known position (there is a scale on the quadrant) the engines will always go to that power setting on any aeroplane. As a tip to those that haven't realised this if you put them to the "10" on the scale that is pretty much the right power to fly level at the correct speed for a given usual configuration (a bit more on the A321, a bit less on the A319), or fly the approach when fully configured. "5" gives you a spooled up engine ready to set any power you want quickly. Just saying!

[@AVION360]

Oh yeah the famous phrase in Information Technology (IT). GIGO. Garbage In - Garbage Out.

[@AaronOfMpls]

And it goes way back, too. Charles Babbage (who designed mechanical computers in the mid 19th century) didn't put it quite that simply, but he clearly understood it -- and wondered why others didn't always: "On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@AaronOfMpls Have you noticed-I'm sure you have-what is happening with “AI” this last year or so? Apparently magical thinking is the default mode of our species.

[@wbfaulk]

Yeah, I don't think anyone has ever said "Rubbish In, Rubbish Out" before.

[@footnuke]

I've heard "shit in, shit out" before. SISO? 😅

[@JohnnyByeYm]

@@footnuke Trash in Trash out is also used in americanized language. So it could be fitting if in a deeply british environment someone uses garbage in / out.

[@OmegaPaladin144]

Just found your videos, Captain. I binge watched them while recovering from illness. I work in safety & do regular root cause analysis, just like my dad did in his decades-long career in the nuclear industry. You deliver consistent quality content!

[@fatladonbike]

I know there's a lot wrong with the film Sully but i did like the fact that they highlighted the startle issue, even if they did it by basically making things up re the NTSB investigation. I also love the way you constantly remind people of the way this industry operates: be honest, taking the training and get back on the horse. Its something i try to enforce in my workplace.

[@jamessilver4284]

Thank you for your unselfishness and sacrifice by stepping back from your love of actually piloting to focus on this channel - your and your crew's stuff is top notch, and the flying public thanks you for your channel. Don't second guess your decision!

[@EstorilEm]

PLEASE do more of the Airbus near-crash incident videos. They’re kinda hard to find because they don’t get any press and the general public doesn’t know/care, but most of them are rather astonishing. There’s one about a plane that basically did exactly what Asiana @ SFO did on approach, I believe alpha floor and speed prot kicked in, they were so far behind the plane they didn’t even react to the warnings and got the plane within like 4kts of a stall (IIRC) before it finally just took over everything and flew them out of it. The interesting thing about that case is that the protections are actually predictive, they know that even if you aren’t stalling YET, if you wait any longer the engine thrust delay won’t allow adequate power to avoid the future stall, and adjusts the override time accordingly. People always compare the number of Boeing crashes to the number of Airbus crashes, but never mention the number of AVOIDED disasters (which was basically a huge design philosophy of the A320 family and later models in the first place.) Again, no one really cares about an “almost” crash, so…

[@baronepam]

I was a passenger on a US flight from Kansas City MO to Pittsburgh PA in the 1980's. The plane suddenly increased power and I felt a climb almost like a take off. It was weird and got weirder when the Pilot apologized over the PA. He said there was another airplane where it wasn't supposed to be. I still feel anxiety and immense gratitude over that. Big Ups for that stuff.

[@Wintermute909]

Yeah I've noticed that nowadays any airline incident has one of two headlines: "Boeing airplane involved in...." OR "(airline carrier name) involved in....." I'm not trying to defend Boeing but the bias is getting pretty obvious. Even if it's just an attempt to get more clicks.

[@LuLeBe]

@@Wintermute909yeah I mean don’t we all already get our popcorn out when we get news that Boeing might have messed something up again?

[@woolooloo]

@@Wintermute909 That's what happens when a company shits the bed as badly as Boeing did. They get bad press.

[@AndyWBurns]

Garbage in, garbage out? "On two occasions I have been asked, ‘Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?’ I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage

[@justicemaake684]

I commend your research team for a comprehensive research that they're always doing but I'm most impressed by your ability to explain and narrate technical aspects of an airplane that you've got zero experience on especially the Airbus since you're a 737 guy through and through. It can't be an easy task talking about an aircraft you're not rated on and knowing very well that there's thousands of highly experienced pilots on type who follows your page. A job well done in that regard!

[@diealex4241]

I love episodes that include the airbus protection systems (especially if they actually work as intended). It’s incredible to me how many scenarios and threats the airbus can get you out of on its own. I guess it‘s a bit like flying a computer, but at least a computer knows no startle effect.

[@MikeHarris1984]

I was on a southwest airlines jet from SFO to PHX once with just me and my director on the entire flight after a conference. It was crazy. The staff was like if you want anything just let us know, we are fully stocked, so you guys can have whatever you want anytime you want! Lol. They had to get the plane to PHX for another flight and not sure how no one else was booked, if only our company travel portal was bringing up this flight and no other systems did or something. But we had a long week of drinking and partying and the restful flight was amazing

[@daCubanaqt]

Garbage in, garbage out. Learned that from senior engineers very early on in my career.

[@frank_av8tor]

This incident reminded of Aviateca flight 901 from August 9, 1995 (B737 CFIT), another case of loss of situational awareness before EGPWS was available. Look it up, you may want to produce a video about this terrible accident. Thank you for this excellent review we can all learn from, in this case, that the aircraft will do whatever the pilots tell it to do, including flying into the ground.

[@DJRobSunset]

Hey Petter, great video as always. Have been watching your videos for years. I just took my first flight ever because I was always really scared. But your videos explaining everything made me feel at ease. I could imagine what was going on during take off and landing. So thank you for all your work.

[@_Cactyss]

Have you heard of the incident involving two 737s that were forced to land below minima with almost no fuel in 2013? Would love to see a video on it!

[@kaiperdaens7670]

Sounds interesting

[@dev_mind]

The Investigation number of this accident is "AO-2013-100". Google it

[@MentourPilot]

Oh yes, I’ve heard plenty about that

[@volvo09]

Yikes!

[@AlbertoRestuccia]

Which ones do you mean? Never heard of them!

[@TheAutisticTraveller]

If I ever find myself on an airplane with Petter and I hear him say, "This is going to be very important later", I'll immediately start looking at that flight safety card thing in the seat pocket.

[@NicolaW72]

😅

[@Woutopia]

I must be honest, the transition from the risk of flying in mountains to the ad was really smooth, well done!

[@MentourPilot]

😅😅

[@stelios.a]

I watched a couple of days ago the "Rogue Pilots" episode and I can say that the quality and the narative have improved dramatically. Kudos Peter and the team. Great job and great content.

[@SapphireDreamsFlightSimulation]

You sir are an inspiration! After I started watching your videos my love for aviation increased tenfolds and I am trying to learn more each day. Thank you🎉

[@MentourPilot]

Excellent! That makes me really happy to hear.

[@MikeInAlaska]

Great work, as always. I am a retired Air Traffic Control Specialist. I worked both Tower & Arrival/Departure. Keep doing as you are. I wanted to share 1 crucial bit with you to share with others, since you train others. One of what I considered the best "training" advice I was ever given is something I hope you share with others. That advice was, never keep secrets. If I intend to do anything out of the ordinary, at the least, I will have an immediate reply in the fore front of my mind. Having had such invaluable experiences, i.e. Familiarization (Jump Seat) flights to see our job from Your perspective. I never kept a secret after that. Not being aware of all required on part of pilots in the event of a "go around" order... if spacing ever looked like it would be tight... it took me 2 seconds to tell the pilots, "Prepare" for a go around. I think it would be far less stressful for a possible "go-around" instruction, though you are always prepared for, what harm does it do to let you guys know whats on my mind as youre about to land. Sure, you will obviously get a "jerk" air traffic Controller that may not appreciate pilots "not" keeping secrets, 95% of us would MUCH rather know your concerns before they become ours! Great Job!

[@thrillvilled111]

Never thought to see Wizz Air on the Mentour Pilot Channel! 🤯

[@MentourPilot]

I hope you found it interesting

[@TheEliera]

Yeah I fly with wizz sometimes scary stuff

[@thrillvilled111]

@@MentourPilot Very interesting and hair raising. Gold content 💛

[@thrillvilled111]

@@TheEliera Wow like what?

[@unggrabb]

People, technology, weather - no airline above laws of physics.

[@Dirk-van-den-Berg]

I flew with Wizzair last year. Eindhoven-Skopje. On embarking in Eindhoven after already 1,5 hours of delay, we used the airstairs. Helped by my knowledge of watching Petters and others aviationvideos, I looked at the landing gear. I noticed that one tyre had significantly less profile than the others. When we were seated, almost half an hour later we were told by the flightdeck we couldn't make a direct flight. We had to go to Budapest first to change a tyre. HEY! I saw it correctly! So, first flying to Budapest. We were on the ground for 30 minutes, and the rest of the flight to Skopje took an hour. By then, the delay had been 3 hours. Supposed to arrive in Skopje around 21.00, we now arrived around 00.30. Crew was pissed, they still had a roundtrip to Malta on their schedule. This flight was performed with an Airbus 320ceo. One week later, I saw to my surprise Wizzair upgraded the route with an Airbus321neo. This flight was completely uneventful, on time, but I distinctly remember the landing (perfect) but the slowing down was immense, I was almost thrown out of my seat.

[@no_name4796]

33:25 that jumpscared startled me lol

[@1000000trs]

yep, that was so clever editing etc - even though our feet are safely on the ground, we are safe at home, and the subject of startle was already well underway: it created a text book startle somehow - I totally had a "wtf-happened-brain-freeze moment"

[@no_name4796]

@@1000000trs yeah, i listen to videos with earphones, and that scared the heck out of me lol

[@natalija99]

Hi Petter! I religiously watch every video on this channel. I got so shocked when I saw the thumbnail because Wizz flies over my head every single day. Greetings from Serbia!

[@thisiscait]

Would be great to see you cover Vnukovo Airlines Flight 2801 if possible! The impact on Pyramiden was massive, I visited ten years ago or so and it's just fascinating.

[@astribryde6523]

I'm not a pilot, but I am a semi-frequent flyer, and I really enjoy these videos. I feel like I learn a lot more about how the aviation business, as well as the planes themselves, works. Thank you for such great content!

[@ex59neo53]

At first hearing i was thinking "Hey ! Nice is in France ,not Serbia !" ,then i rewinded and watched the video :)

[@MentourPilot]

I know.. I could have researched the pronunciation of Niš better

[@stevanmarinkovic5756]

@@MentourPilot When the airport opened for the service a while ago, there were cases of people flying in Nis with Ryan Air or something, expecting to have bought the tickets to Nice. So it happens :)

[@AaronOfMpls]

​@@stevanmarinkovic5756Like people going to Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada instead of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia -- or vice versa? (Though the difference in distance isn't _quite_ as big. 🙂)

[@stevanmarinkovic5756]

@@AaronOfMpls I guess it was more a case of getting Ryanair tickets for 20€ or something, not even checking, then going anyway or something :)

[@markovoda]

@@MentourPilotWe had a group of tourists from Bratislava come to Niš thinking they were coming to France. One of them needed a visa for Serbia because she was from Korea i think and she had to stay at the airport for 3 days until she was able to return. Her friends visited Niš.

[@green-ista1460]

I like how Petter talks to us like he is teaching us and that he knows that we are smart enough to understand whatever he is telling us.. he is one of the most patient teachers I have seen and his videos’ educational value is unmatched..

[@ex101jc]

Airbus. When the plane ends up flying you being the savioir of the day once again. We already had one of those repositioning flights that didn‘t go so well

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed. And in the "Miracle of the Corn Field" it was also the Airbus-Aircraft which made this Miracle possible.

[@ex101jc]

@@NicolaW72 Airbus should get some sort of reward for that. Making the skies surely is a great reward but this incident (if it was not for Airbus‘s protections, that would easily have become an accident) proves that these days even if the pilots mess up big times they still are going to get to their destination in one piece. Unless the mess up was not tooo big

[@NicolaW72]

@@ex101jc Indeed. A way tooo big mess up was PIA flight 8303, also covered on this channel - in such a case even an Airbus cannot help himself.

[@JoshWalker1]

@@NicolaW72 Sully's landing in the Hudson invoked Alpha Floor in the last seconds too. Generally it's said that in that case it limited him from touching down even gentler, but that feels like nitpicking at best and a reach at most. (Perhaps it kept him from a rougher touchdown if he flared a touch too much? Hard to ever know.)

[@NicolaW72]

@@JoshWalker1 The Hudson-Landing shows that a brilliant pilot is still the best safety protection of an Aircraft, equally how well the Aircraft is prepared technically. But with - not so brilliant - pilots the technical preparation of the aircraft can make the difference between a safe outcome for everyone and a disaster.

[@jeremejev]

Not associated with the aviation industry, but still a frequent flyer and fan of engineering in general. Dina videos är alltid riktigt informativa, riktigt skönt att se full analys från både ingenjör och humant perspektiv. Kör på!

[@prostakuk]

Love Petter's random 'sh' insertions, all except in Nis where it's needed:D

[@saberint]

I love flying Wizz Air. For me, they have always been awesome and the only issues I have ever had flying with them have been weather related and I can’t blame them for that!

[@wavemode69]

Another beautiful example of a plane saving itself from a crash, despite its pilots' best efforts to the contrary... Very enlightening video! Keep up the good work.

[@francoisbouchard9488]

Astonishing production quality in this one and all Mentour Pilot series. Don't know how you do it. Truly impressed.

[@nitehawk86]

9:30 The aircraft knows where it is at all times, it knows this because it knows where it isn't.

[@gpsoftsk1]

I am impressed with how accurate your videos are. In your video, the interior of Budapest airport looks very similar to how I remember it from the one flight I took a few years ago.

[@wilfullyobtuse]

"Wizz Air" sounds like the airline name a group of 8 year old boys would come up with if they were playing pilot in the back yard, and their mum has just told them not to use swear words.

[@fayelitzinger9824]

the way I would have immediately screamed "YOUR CONTROLS". now, we might not have made it but we sure wouldn't have had that dual input problem. it's very cool the software initiated the required TOGA thrust, even if it took them a moment to realize it was on

[@kali_muon]

hey Petter, i'm so glad you're showing the faces of your team at the end of the video! it's easy to forget that there are so many amazing people behind large productions like this, so imo more creators should show their team's faces in their videos. to the rest of the Mentour Pilot team: thank you for the effort you put in behind the scenes -- it shows! 💜

[@thomasconway95]

Petter, I always fall to sleep watching your videos on Sunday afternoon hahaha. I have to finish them on Monday morning. I think it is your voice and narration, it is so smooth and calming, even though the incidents are dramatic!

[@EinfachLuap]

Worked for Wizzair and flew to Nis quite a lot, it's a tricky one for sure.

[@draganilic4187]

@EinfachLuap Hello. Are you familiar with the case when a Wizz tried to land 5-6 times during heavy snow at Niš airport and at last diverted to Budapest, 5-10 years ago?

[@EinfachLuap]

@@draganilic4187 I'm not, I've only been there for like 2 years about 3 years ago, only recently left. Somebody may have told me something about that at some point but the company grew from just around 20 planes back then to around 150 now, so it's hard to keep track of something like that...

[@Somerandom1922]

As a side note, I agree that it would be good human factors design engineering if Airbus made it so that the physical controls in the cockpit attempted to match what the aircraft was actually doing. It doesnt have to be anything as intense as true force feedback, but some sort of pressure moving the controls in that direction would be pretty immediately noticeable to pilots used to the Airbus' typically smooth controls. Like if they went to decrease the throttle but the throttle had just a few newtons of resistance. Or if the aircraft is inputting control surface deflections the control stick/pedals get a slight pressure in the appropriate direction. For safety you could limit the rate at which the control input can move (so a rapid change in input by the plane doesnt smack a pilot in the hand or whatever). But just some sort of tactile feedback would be excellent.

[@mattgill7309]

You should do an April fools day video where you give detailed commentary on a totally normal flight

[@giorgiomannarini98]

The quality of these videos is insane. They deserve a Netflix tv show

[@jat745]

Your videos eased my fears of flying… good job

[@MentourPilot]

Excellent, I’m happy to hear that

[@IvanHerceghercegyu]

Thanks!

[@Bigsky1991]

"Worst possible combination "....is a understatement! After the second bizarre MCP input, I'm clicking everything off, calling ATC, circling back to take a fresh run at it or ask for Vectors.... I applied for Wizz back during the Covid year...guess I dodged a bullet!

[@dddaddy]

If you only applied to companies with an immaculate record, you'd never have a job.

[@paulvanil7155]

Tack!

[@kerryoxford9232]

Thank you so much for your videos Peter. They are always explained so well on a lay-person level. 🤓🤗🛩️✈️

[@MentourPilot]

You are very welcome!

[@marie-kristinekramer6998]

I do appreciate the ones that have a casualty-free ending every once in a while! Awesome and effective editing!!

[@eduardjsx]

4:42 bro’s car was levitating in the parking lot 🤣

[@scottcole599]

The Matrix is real 😂

[@ArnoSchmidt70]

Nice that you showed us your team! Keep up the good work!

[@Mani_theGoat7]

Can you make a video if the Air India Flight in Trichy? It happened yesterday and i would love to see a new video about it!

[@MentourPilot]

When a final report is out, we might feature it

[@Mani_theGoat7]

Thanks mate, huge fan btw! Loved your United Airlines flight 1175 video and the Varig Flight video as well! Your videos are so entertaining! Hope to see your new videos man! ❤

[@stevekirk8546]

I need to watch this video again - it really is startling how things can spiral out of control so quickly even in a well organised situation. Have to say your videos are superbly produced - the visuals certainly brought home how some of the confusion came about. I follow Ryan Farran (Missionary Bushpilot) who flies single handed in Papua New Guinea with very little technical back up. The striking thing is he briefs himself on every aspect of every flight he makes throughout the flight - he has to, as there is nobody else to help him out and he is very aware that in that terrain there is no room for complaceny. It is surprising that at times some commercial airline pilots, even experienced ones fail to do this. Perhaps the systems they operate under induce carelessness?

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