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@JonManProductions5 жыл бұрын
My 2070 MSI Armor can stay cooler than that thing XD
@glutenfreegam3r1775 жыл бұрын
Steve, could you try throwing proper sized thermal pads on the MSI card and test again for memory temps? It looks like a full sized pad on those memory chips might help and there is PLENTY room on the heat-sink...if you look closer, the uncovered portion is inward, towards the center of the HS, NOT extending outward like you are suggesting in the video (12:41). I am VERY interested in this card and would appreciate your help. Thanks for the reviews and tear-down vids. Cheers!
@mikelowder70825 жыл бұрын
dont they realize the likely hood you will disassemble a gpu you were sent or that you buy jebus lol
@reluttr25 жыл бұрын
@@glutenfreegam3r177 Yeah I am curious what would happen with proper pads and perhaps a higher quality thermal paste on main chip.
@TheNews19905 жыл бұрын
This is a common thing with MSI cards. I have a MSI Armor RX 570 8GB OC with the same sized pads.
@Danthrax665 жыл бұрын
Wait, the top ram had the thermal pads on the top of the ram, and that metal plate clearly contacted the thermal pads, so they just needed bigger pads that extended down closer to the core. So they really didn't need to make the plate bigger, they just needed to use properly sized thermal pads.
@GamersNexus5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, got disoriented when flipping it over a bunch of times. That's correct. Bigger thermal pads would do it.
@Noise-Bomb5 жыл бұрын
Gamers Nexus Seems like a plain oversight tbh. A very stupid one but I really don't believe the bigger pads would make any significant cost difference even in huge production quantities. Edit: Okay you even stated that the thermal pad price is negligible so my comment gets kinda irrelevant but hey guess I should watch till the end before commenting...
@sbeve74455 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Further raise the question why they used smaller thermal pads on only the top two memory modules. Are those 0.01$ worth of thermal pads really worth saving?
@alexatkin5 жыл бұрын
Even rotating the existing pads putting them central should make a huge difference.
@shaneeslick5 жыл бұрын
I notice this too, MSI just seemed to have used pads too small, even the other 6 Pads aren't as big as the Memory Modules, that's a really lazy thing to do, I have an MSI B450M Mortar, RX580 Gaming Plus & GTX1080Ti Gaming X & have been really happy with the performance & Quality, but their efforts with the X570 & RX5700/XT seem to be pretty Lazy & Cheap
@sbeve74455 жыл бұрын
Conclusion: buy the cheaper but better Sapphire card
@farjanahmed51425 жыл бұрын
Buy* edit it
@DorianColeman5 жыл бұрын
Red Devil all the way
@sbeve74455 жыл бұрын
@@farjanahmed5142 ya typo
@rdablock5 жыл бұрын
it's a major shame, this is the best looking GPU I've ever seen tbh
@redrock4255 жыл бұрын
@@DorianColeman the Red Devil special edition is only £20 more than the Evoke in the UK. No brainer really.
@quonslecn77555 жыл бұрын
Technically speaking, the "Warranty void if removed" sticker wasn't removed. A Philips driver may have poked through it, but it's still in place. Hasn't been removed ;)
@TheGauges4205 жыл бұрын
Yep only the screw was removed, not the sticker.
@psiklops715 жыл бұрын
the double sided tape is the warranty
@dabombinablemi61885 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, in the US at least the "warranty void if removed" sticker is actually bullshit.
@DeadOGChannel5 жыл бұрын
@@dabombinablemi6188 Yeah, I don't think they can enforce that in the U.S.
@onionring15315 жыл бұрын
Any country with good consumer protection laws makes that note on the sticker irrelevant if not illegal.
@Socrates_Nuts5 жыл бұрын
I always love Steve's reaction to warranty stickers. His voice rang from the heavens when I found one on my new Strix.
@nmgotitluser52345 жыл бұрын
Retest with proper thermal pads. It looks like the memory will fit on that plate
@megapet7775 жыл бұрын
Why? Who would want to open brand new card? Why not just buy sapphire...
@truedarklander5 жыл бұрын
@@megapet777 bro just for science, to see if the cooler's trash or not.
@magadadaskolin46675 жыл бұрын
@@megapet777 Garbage thermal paste made from dirt or slave children corpes probably?(Replace) Garbage cooler?(remod noctua with help of scalpel and replace). Installing additional rgb? List go on...
@sgredsch5 жыл бұрын
yea, the plate is not too small, they just used way to small thermal pads, which is ridiculous. retest with proper thermal pads please.
@Hyde-Jahf5 жыл бұрын
@@megapet777 some folks will come here after already buying the card. Those are the folks that will need the info the most.
@Magic_Bao5 жыл бұрын
I just got myself a Sapphire Pulse after watching your review. Now this video gave me some comfort that I made the right choice.
@Puffalupagus3605 жыл бұрын
The thermal pad situation was just saddening.
@Juggernautdemon5 жыл бұрын
So basically, stick to Powercolor or Sapphire as always if you want good AMD AIB cards.
@420BulletSponge5 жыл бұрын
And avoid Diamond and XFX like the fucking plague
@outsideredge5 жыл бұрын
I'm just wondering why Sapphire released the Pulse version first. Isn't the Pulse line supposed to be the more value oriented line, and Nitro+ supposed to be the premium line? If so, shouldn't the Nitro+ cards be released first?
@natterman20375 жыл бұрын
@@outsideredge the Nitro+ is Sapphires top card.. Usually has higher clocks and some series had different or you could say better coolers...
@Marplegamer5 жыл бұрын
what about the 3-fan Gigabyte rx 5700 ? looks good aswell
@stargazer1625 жыл бұрын
@@420BulletSponge What's wrong with XFX?
@Thadiusofx35 жыл бұрын
Just built my 2nd desktop after 10 years of being out of the biz. Specs - i7 9700k, RTX 2080 Super, 16 gig ddr4 corsair vengeance, 500gig Samsung NVMe M.2, Cooler Master 212 evo, 2tb barracuda, and Cooler Master H500 Mesh. So excited had to tell someone :)
@YungPixel5 жыл бұрын
That's all well and good but what colour is your rgb set to is the real question.
@Thadiusofx35 жыл бұрын
@@YungPixel lol tbh I haven't figured out how to control it yet 10 years ago it was cathode tube lighting and would have to change it out completely if you wanted to change colors.... I feel old and I'm only 30.
@anomous23075 жыл бұрын
Nooooice, I just went up to a 2600 and a 5700 budget build about 3 weeks ago. Can you feel the POWA?! You have a nice combo enjoy.
@Od3o_ela_sabil_rabek5 жыл бұрын
try to change thermal pads and thermal paste and make thermal review again and see if there's any difference .. i hope
@JessClimbedCeleste5 жыл бұрын
A request for future teardowns; you're great at keeping things organized and explaining what you're doing so someone could follow along to replace thermal paste or fans, but would you be able to give some more detail on the hardware you're removing as well? Things like thermal pad thickness and maybe even screw type (thread/length/etc) if you're able to identify them. Info like that isn't too common online (thermal pads maybe, but definitely not screws), and as someone who's lost the mounting hardware for the heatsink of a card, that kind of stuff would be great for trying to find replacements without taking apart another one. Keep up the great reviews and teardowns!
@chronicalcultivation5 жыл бұрын
WTF are you doing, MSI? Between this and the BIOS update issues.. Wow. And you did so well with AMD stuff a year and a half ago..
@TheAssassin6425 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted man.. I just bought a gaming pro carbon for my 3600. The feature set was just so good. I mean, they have to fix the BIOS right?
@TheAssassin6425 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted I'm ok with losing support for older CPUs. Though I'll be pissed if they release a MAX version in a few weeks.
@TheAssassin6425 жыл бұрын
@Curtis Riceman it has a bigger BIOS memory chip so you won't lose any features in BIOS updates
@TheBackyardChemist5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAssassin642 The B450 Tomahawk MAX is already out
@TheAssassin6425 жыл бұрын
@@TheBackyardChemist yeah but I wanted a Carbon MAX
@RustedCroaker5 жыл бұрын
And the Sapphire's card has fuses on the PCB, the MSI's doesn't. The little detail that could save your card if your AIO will leak or somthing.
@syncmonism5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and the backup bios and bios switch too! The Sapphire card has so many premium features for only $10 over MSRP. They have set the gold standard with card design. Maybe they decided to go all-out this generation because they figured that there'd be a lot of first-time AMD gpu owners because of the general AMD hype train with Zen 2 and Navi? Or, were their cards always this good for this low of a price? I thought they used to be more expensive.
@amak11315 жыл бұрын
@@syncmonism A backup bios and bios switch are mostly worthless to most users and those that know what they're doing. I've flashed a few Nvidia cards and, unless you're absolutely insane, those extra features are a moot point.
@kevadu5 жыл бұрын
Wait, aren't the half thermal pads still on the *outside* edge of the card? So the excuse that only half would be contacting the plate because of the plate size doesn't even work here...
@jackadams995 жыл бұрын
I totally agree
@whatdafarkenhell71105 жыл бұрын
You saw wrong, or perceived what you saw incorrectly, the thermal pads you saw were for the components on ther other side of the GPU.
@ancelrick53965 жыл бұрын
You are spot on. a larger thermal pad would indeed make complete contact with the plate. There would have to be a hole in the plate for it to NOT make contact. Just pause at 7:32 , it's obvious.
@ShovelShovel5 жыл бұрын
Steve is usually right but the thermal pads are on the outside so a bigger pad would make full contact with the heat plate. The reason they likely made the thermal pads smaller is because they are directly on the heat pipes so they would have better heat transfer anyways and don't want to steal more heat dissipation from the GPU.
@pandabuttonftw7455 жыл бұрын
MSi have a history of really dodgy cost-cutting.
@bebisibeb5 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted they're not chinese.
@awawdasd43415 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted While taiwan is in china, it's light years ahead of mainland china.
@Jaymiecain15 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted Taiwan and China are not the same nation. The Republic of China and the Peoples Republic of China are different countries. I think it goes back to the civil war China had (Nationalist vs Communists) and if I remember Taiwan is the last "Nationalist" strong hold, China never invaded it.
@zuminlair92cp5 жыл бұрын
@@6Twisted I'm Taiwanese and I don't like someone say we are Chinese. More important, I don't like communist.
@mustafas90115 жыл бұрын
Xalinsky everthing chinese. Taiwan id chinese. Period. Goodbye
@kurt83275 жыл бұрын
Just like with vega, go with XFX, Sapphire, or Powercolor.
@RustedCroaker5 жыл бұрын
XFX in the same league with MSI. Stick to the last two.
@SDcharge2k125 жыл бұрын
Meh I’ll stick with my water cooled MSI reference card thanks!
@RustedCroaker5 жыл бұрын
@@SDcharge2k12 My condolences!
@Xenoray15 жыл бұрын
@@SDcharge2k12 dude..rly..
@kurt83275 жыл бұрын
@Curtis Riceman no
@kaldo_kaldo5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you put proper pads and paste on there (like the thermal grizzly pads and kryonaut or something) and see if it fixes it
@kodato925 жыл бұрын
JESUS, MSI had the same problem i had with Accelero Xtreme 3, only those 2 memory got 50% of thermal contact... But why MSI u did this faulty cooling design?
@strixkuriboh75815 жыл бұрын
Question, will you be reviewing the XFX THICC2?
@afracturedwinky71815 жыл бұрын
Seconded. Also curious about the Xfx RAW 2 and any potential tear down videos?
@chronicalcultivation5 жыл бұрын
It's the same dumbass cooler design as the Fatboy. The RX590 Fatboy I own, performs worse than the Sapphire Nitro RX580 I own. It shouldn't. The older chip should perform worse, but it doesn't, because the Nitro has such vastly superior cooling that while the Fatboy throttles down due to temp, the Nitro keeps going at boost clocks.
@Socrates_Nuts5 жыл бұрын
@@chronicalcultivation but it's thicc..
@0o0garth0o05 жыл бұрын
This!!! Im waiting for a GN review of that bad boy. Errr uhh, girl? I'm not due for an upgrade but I love watching tech content and a video of this card WILL get my view.
@420f375 жыл бұрын
@@chronicalcultivation but the name gives it +6.9 fps
@skilledshots72005 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see a review and teardown of the newer ASROCK RX5700 xt within these comparisons
@keremkesici42445 жыл бұрын
Gotta save them pennies though. Quite sad that alot of manuf. do that to keep the cost low,
@dra6o0n5 жыл бұрын
Sooo having to cut down thermal pad thickness by 1-2mm to squeeze out like a 1~5% saving in price?
@Breloom2865 жыл бұрын
@@dra6o0n no man, its a lot less, the diference between those is like 15 to 20 cents, they are cutting cost but even for them is not much. They just painted it like gold ans sold it like it, they are coming back to the pre 2014 era
@allothernamesbutthis5 жыл бұрын
makes no sense to me. a customer is spending $400 and the bean counters want to place the company branding on the line to save $1 a unit. if they are that desperate to save $1 focus on the packaging!
@dra6o0n5 жыл бұрын
@@allothernamesbutthis it's happening everywhere, not just computers. There is only so much wealth in the world before people start fighting over it.
@shoailwaniya5 жыл бұрын
@@allothernamesbutthis it wouldn't be just this video card they they are cutting costs on. MSI make around 1.6 millions mobo's and over 1 million video cards per month from one of their Chinese factories. At a saving of $1.00 per unit we are looking at a saving of over $2.6 million per month or over $31 million per year. They are more than likely saving between $2-$5 dollars per unit at the manufacturing level which means the factories management team look like hero's for their shareholders and board members. Remember its all about making more money with limited resources while spending less on expenses which means a higher profit level for the company and the various stakeholders. Even with the negative press for the thermal pads from this video card the company is most likely supplying parts for other companies where those companies have customers that "don't care" OR will never be aware of the cost cutting measures as the products they will end up buying will be doing "good enough" so they will get away with it. I'ts just good business practice tbh and happens everywhere.
@harktischris5 жыл бұрын
I haven't been following you all for that long, but you all do some of the most detailed breakdowns and best reviews I've ever seen. This video showing the direct causal link between some inadequate thermal pad coverage and higher memory temps (which most other reviewers didn't even note or call out in their own MSI Evoke OC coverage) is a great example of that. Keep up the great work!
@NinerowCenter5 жыл бұрын
because of the good price, i bought a reference 5700 xt. It boosted itself up to 2000mhz and was running hot (Junction temp 110°C). I limited the frequency to 1800mhz and then my card was not even reaching the 90 degrees anymore. I have a nice airflow with bequiet fans and a additional sidepanel fan which let my card run at 60-78°C with 1800mhz. The amd reference cooler is blowing with 2150 RPM at 80°C and 1650 RPM at 55°C. I wouldnt have bought the card if I had not seen the GamersNexus videos. Thank u steve for helping me to decide. Now the Card is in good hands and part of the PC Build Family. Sounds a bit crazy, but since im giving to my PC Components Names, i called the 5700XT Steve. Compared to all my favourite PC Builder Channels, you make the best 5700xt Reviews.
@zivkeren12265 жыл бұрын
One engineer at least is going to sleep tonight with satisfied smile on his face.
@kingofnfsfan5 жыл бұрын
A taped together shroud, half contacting thermal pads, no bios switch... the MSI AMD lineup sucks this year. And they did so well on the RX480 Gaming X a few years ago.
@syncmonism5 жыл бұрын
They will probably release many different models of RX 5700 XT and 5700, and hopefully soon they will replace or update this model. They no doubt have a cheaper version on the way, and I wouldn't be completely surprised if one or more of their cheaper versions actually perform better, at least in terms of thermals (they just probably won't look as nice).
@xWood40005 жыл бұрын
I really hope the MECH OC doesn't have the same problem but I wouldn't be surprised if it's disappointing.
@Artcore1035 жыл бұрын
Steve the coldplate is big enough to cool the entire memory module. I'm surprised you didn't catch that, but notice the pad is on the FURTHEST part of the memory from the center, which means the other half is not beyond the plate, but further inward. They literally just put half sized thermal pads on for no reason, the area is there to cool the whole thing. This would be an easy mod. And even if a module did stick past the cold plate, it would still be beneficial to put a pad on the whole thing when only half of the pad touches the cold late. the pad itself will allow for some increased heat transfer horizontally from the module.
@n3m37h5 жыл бұрын
There would be no need for re tooling. The outer most edge (furthest from the die) of the memory is making the contact, it would of just covered MSI's serial number on the heatsink. Weird reason to only use half a thermal pad
@BFl04 жыл бұрын
Quality control with MSI seems to have gone south lately. What a shame because I have been a fan of MSI products for a long time. Against my better judgement, I went ahead and bought this card knowing what I was probably getting into; mainly because I got it for $360 after rebates. I like techie projects so I had every intention of tearing the card apart even before installing it. Yep Steve, they only made ONE tweak to this card since you reviewed it; they removed the tape and instead put two small foam/rubber spacers between the cover on that small area that you pointed out instead. The thermal pads are the same crap offset job as you have reviewed here too; and in fact, they completely missed a memory module with no thermal pad at all! I carefully removed all of the thermal pads and applied my own new ones with complete coverage for each module. I removed their soupy thermal paste and applied a better paste and spun the card up on a Ryzen 9 3900x 12-core. It posted a 15,265 PassMark score (ver. 10) with the latest Adrenaline drivers as of this posting. Decent but nothing to go crazy over. It'll be fine for my specific needs and should last quite a while. If I've learned one thing here it's that I may never buy another GPU without first taking it apart and inspecting the factory thermal job. Thanks for doing this review.
@Fas7Blas75 жыл бұрын
When we can get a breakdown review for the powercolor red devil? Im excited 😌
@spacedoutcowboy52115 жыл бұрын
"Friendship ended with Ifixit I am my new best friend"
@yukiphoenixx5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the judgement of MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming X (spoil alert : half sized thermal pad, too)
@Gunnberg855 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up to GN for another awesome in-depth teardown. Thumbs down for bad MSI practices. For shame, MSI.
@haomingwu57445 жыл бұрын
You are completely correct, MSI does this. My R9 390x died 4 month after the warranty expired, so I decided to open it up. ALL the thermal pads were like that, not even 50% (more like 30%). I see burn marks on those components and the card is pretty much SOL, tons of artifacts and green spots in 3D rendering. I replaced all the thermal pads myself and ended up with another 3-4 month of use before it completely just artifacts way too much to bare, probably one of the memory chips going bad from the heat. Note worth taking that the thermal paste on the gpu was half as well, the other half was on the PCB board...this is probably a QC problem but many users of 390x from MSI has complained about bad thermals. I was able to get the card under 80c on full load vs 95c brand new by just redoing what should be done in the first place. Everything is also hidden behind that warranty void sticker which stops people from fixing their shit. I'd stay away from MSI with this shady practice, either they are saving a dollar per card or this is some planned obsolescence or both.
@bigchaw694 жыл бұрын
This dude makes some crazy high quality content like who in the hell else tests power supplies with equipment like this guy does
@harmzegt80665 жыл бұрын
I guess the double sided tape is to prevent vibration and vibration noise of that bracket.
@tin20015 жыл бұрын
I'd say so. Probably an issue they discovered after production started. Really nothing wrong with it since 99.9999% of people aren't going to ever open it.
@KooYu5 жыл бұрын
Since we realized the plate isn't the issue, if possible I would like to see a cooler transplant and/or a thermal pad change, to see if it makes any diference comparing to the Sapphire one.
@laszlokorodi73555 жыл бұрын
I soo want to see an official reply from MSI, apologising and fixing these issues.Of course, fixing it for free for those already bought this card.
@laszlokorodi73555 жыл бұрын
@Bartosz Bartek just send it back, get a refund, buy the Sapphire. The best way the companies understand is the way the money goes. You make a bad product, less buyers will take it.
@EvilTurkeySlices5 жыл бұрын
The warranty void if removed sticker isn’t illegal, it’s just illegal to enforce. I actually like those as it gives you a good idea if the card has been opened or not. They should maybe replace the text with something along the lines of “card has been opened if seal is broken”
@InssiAjaton5 жыл бұрын
I suspect the reason for the double sided tape might be to eliminate vibration noise. A cantilevered part of sheet metals vibrating with the fans would almost certainly cause rattling in some unfortunate units.
@JaytheJaskonian4 жыл бұрын
A client I'm building for picked this card up because it was the cheapest 5700xt on Newegg. It'll be delivered later this month. I hope it's not bad enough that they have to return it and get a different model, or pay more for the sapphire model.
@viperbite185 жыл бұрын
Scratch the "aluminum" its probably nickel plated copper. Especially if its soldered to the heat pipes as you said.
@somebody222225 жыл бұрын
12:40 you have that backward. the base plate for the memory is big enough to cover the whole memory chip. if it wasn't, the other half of the memory closer to the gpu would be covered. but you can see the half side that is away from the gpu is covered by thermal pad. so the fault is during assembly.
@dra6o0n5 жыл бұрын
"Warranty void if removed" most likely are stickers placed on them when manufactured outside of USA, where it is 'not illegal' to have. No one bothered to remove them for sale in USA. So to see this changed is to get laws passed in Asia (where mass production happens) regarding 'warranty' but good luck with that.
@zorvalth65 жыл бұрын
@Gamers Nexus , you are mistaken about the half pads, they didnt need to make a bigger plate, the non-covered part of the mem is on the inner side where there is a plate over it, they just needed a bigger pads, but i dont think this is the problem. It could be the closed backplate over the core part, and also could be if MSI is using bigger voltage for the same clock speeds. You can test this.
@johnknouse69845 жыл бұрын
Steve: a) Love the hair. Remember when I used to have hair that long. Now only part of it could...the rest left me lol. b) Love the videos, man. You're not all Boxxy-like doing goofy crap all the time. You get down to the nitty-gritty and point out the logic (or lack thereof) in your reviews and comments. c) I wouldn't normally pay so much for a 10-piece tool kit...but if you say it's high quality, I'm believing it. Just ordered a toolkit...both because watching your videos is refreshing (education and knowledge is so underrated nowadays) and because well...i need a good kit for working on all my rigs that I can carry it one pack...rather than having to try to keep track of 3-4 different kits. Love the channel. Stay real and keep the good, sensible info coming.
@ProjectRebootUK5 жыл бұрын
This makes me concerned about the MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Mech...which I am considering buying, but now I have seen this, I'm not so sure. Will it fall to the same errors ?
@qlum5 жыл бұрын
I think the solution sapphire solution is not for thermal isolation but rather for easier manufacturer. They don't have to redesign the main cooler for different cards but only the cooling for the memory / and vrm cooling portion. As well as not having to make the main cooler more complicated just to cool other parts. The vrm / memory cooling on the sapphire one looks actually pretty cheap to make and it also reinforces the pcb.
@XFourty75 жыл бұрын
If it fits, Steve sits. I think the transplant comparison would be very interesting, but agree it might not be worth the time. Take it easy guys.
@zys527125 жыл бұрын
Since the half thermal pad is on the far side of the memory chip, doesn't that mean the plate already covers the whole memory chip and they just need to put larger ones on there?
@muzallisam50685 жыл бұрын
Most probably the thermal pads were installed in the wrong orientation.
@catalystguitarguy5 жыл бұрын
so replace the thermal pads with a minus8 pad or something. that's disappointing cost cutting.
@saminavy71245 жыл бұрын
Just how much money does it really save... It's ridiculous by MSi I can't say for sure but I don't see them doing this to Nvidia
@pokeguy7425 жыл бұрын
@@saminavy7124 Nvidia is the only GPU manufacturer in the topmost performance bracket, so cards in that price bracket have more effort behind them. AMD's been content to stay in the low and mid tier performance segment, so manufacturers won't put as much effort behind these cards. Asus is the only one to even have a fully custom pcb for the 5700xt, and that's (afaik) only on the Strix model, and I theorize the only reason they even did that was because they were obligated because the Strix lineup is at or near the top of their product stack. Most AIBs aren't gonna do anything besides use the reference design with a custom cooler, because the 5700xt is a midrange product from AMD. There's nothing to it besides value proposition, and value-oriented products will get more cost-saving measures so the companies producing them get a better profit margin than they would get if they put actual effort into the product. It's unfortunate for everyone, but that's just how it is.
@RustedCroaker5 жыл бұрын
@@pokeguy742 That's why Sapphire or PowerColor cards are so good, they don't make Nvidia cards! So avoid any other brand if you want good AMD GPU.
@HowDareYouu5 жыл бұрын
You DON'T need to extend the plate!. The area that needs more padding it's inside (closer to the center of the gpu). You can just add a bigger thermopad
@0FFICERPROBLEM5 жыл бұрын
I'm so appreciative Gamers Nexus produces this type of in depth, honest content. Seriously an important player in the YT tech channel space.
@JosueRodriguez12255 жыл бұрын
I dislike how you always just toss or slam down carelessly items you are reviewing. Just my opinion. Love your channel.
@gfg_horseman71595 жыл бұрын
To me it looks like there is no excuse for the small thermal pads @Gamers Nexus It looks like the pads could extend toward the GPU with no issue, as they are placed on the far side of the memory modules to begin with, so putting larger pads on would end up creating greater surface area contacting the cold plate....... idk how you didn't notice this in the review. It might be worth replacing those thermal pads and retesting the cards thermals to compare what an actual full coverage thermal pad would do for mem temps. Keep up the good work! Love the content, and I can let an oversight slip every now and then.
@fergus2475 жыл бұрын
The warranty void sticker was a red flag. They obviously didnt want people take off the cooler and see the tiny thermal pads?
@mikka19865 жыл бұрын
The plate is actually big enough to cover the whole chip, adjust the pad to the middle of the chip might work.
@Jedex965 жыл бұрын
Edit: someone already noticed in the comments. 16:45 Isn't the baseplate already big enough? The thermal pad was in the furthest position on the memory module and the baseplate has the marking of the thermal pad well within it. Thus the thermal pad size is the problem not the baseplate, or am I missing something?
@Jedex965 жыл бұрын
@Hazard The thermal pad is certainly too small to cover the memory chip properly. About the reason why they made it this way, I can only guess it was a mistake in the early production.
@GeorgeNoiseless5 жыл бұрын
3:04 "MSI should feel bad" -- perfect summary right there. Pinching pennies on a product that expensive, yikes. Thank you Steve & GN team for exposing this.
@HisNameIsRobertPaulson015 жыл бұрын
The Gamers Nexus store has an awesome picture of Snowflake checking out one of the tools. Make sure to check that out when browsing through the store. That's worth it in of itself.
@jasongooden9175 жыл бұрын
i would love for you to test the sapphire cooler on the msi pcb
@BRUXXUS5 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@Neggy-Z5 жыл бұрын
I hope we this, also maybe replace the thermal pads on the MSI cooler to see if that helps with temps.
@lhl25005 жыл бұрын
I really want Noctua to make a GPU cooler for reference boards. Sure, you'll lose the warranty, but I have very litle trust in these board suppliers ability to manufacture a proper cooling solution.
@Rippthrough5 жыл бұрын
It also looks like there's nowhere near enough compression on those thermal pads for them to make decent contact and heat transfer anyway - they're barely distorted from their base shape.
@wyattroncin9415 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, those pads are short for no fucking reason. If the plate was too short the pads would be near the middle. You can see the pad marks on the plate, if they put a full pad on those it would be just fine.
@STSummit5 жыл бұрын
MSI has never cared about VRAM cooling. They completely neglected a chip on my R9 270x which caused the card to freeze up and require a reboot to make my PC functional again. I had to run my fans above 70% to prevent the chip from overheating.
@HayBayle5 жыл бұрын
I guess they were banking on the GPU selling on the looks over performance. "Bigger thermal pads? Nah, it's GOLD dude."
@Xoron5 жыл бұрын
The cold plate is actually big enough since a full heat pad would extend towards the center.
@UrokLizard5 жыл бұрын
It looks like the memory thermal pads are smaller because the rest of the area is considered a "don't put stuff here" zone, like with those dummy devices put over a CPU socket to make sure there are no SMD's that are physically contacting the "dont put stuff here" area. Not sure what the device is called, could've sworn I saw it featured on this channel a month or three back. The thermal pad aligns with a white line on the PCB, so that's my suspicion with that "defect"
@3800S15 жыл бұрын
It would be great if more companies offered bare PCBs for us people that bin the stock cooler straight away and throw a water block on it.
@jt1734jr5 жыл бұрын
One vote for swapping the coolers
@QantonisQ5 жыл бұрын
It would be a cool video to replace the thermal pads with proper ones and test again to see the difference in temperatures. Who else agrees?
@lukaround15 жыл бұрын
Sapphire is amazing and probably the best purchase I've made in the past few years, reliable as fuck and don't even bother OCing. They already crank it for you
@georgf92795 жыл бұрын
I think it's probably rare that the cooler is interchangabe between two different AIB brands. So you should definitely take that chance to do a 1:1 cooler comparison with the same board running the same bios and all that. It's not really indicative of what the consumer can buy but still interesting.
@dnakatomiuk5 жыл бұрын
Can't believe it's got no copper base or at least heatpipes, I had a 7850 2gb from his but I've had plenty of sapphire cards in the past and I've just cheaply upgraded to a 7950 3gb for like £20 and that is also a sapphire card and it's brilliant
@waffle9115 жыл бұрын
The plate completely covers the RAM chips on the edge; that's why the pad is at the premise edge of the chip. There's no reason they can't use a full-size pad.
@ale-lp5 жыл бұрын
Please swap the coolers and compare! It would also be great to see if bigger thermal pads would fix the problem altogether...
@bootyholeman56595 жыл бұрын
It seems logical, however rather than assuming the half pads on the mem is the cause of the poor thermals, put some full pads on and compare the results.
@lacucaracha1111115 жыл бұрын
What you MAY be able to go with sapphires solution, is mounting a morpheus 2 to it while properly cooling memory and VRM
@Jtw09125 жыл бұрын
As far as i know the "warranty void if removed" stickers aren't in themselves illegal, they just can't enforce it. But yeah, when manufacturers do that it does still leave a bad taste in my mouth.
@TheNiteNinja195 жыл бұрын
The half thermal pads are on the wrong side of the chip, they never made contact with the heatsink, because the lip of the heatsink is closer to the core coldplate, and the pads are further away.
@lordofnothing.5 жыл бұрын
Hey GN, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you look at the memory thermal pad position and then at the mark it left on the cooler. THEY ACTUALLY JUST PUT TOO SMALL PADS ONTO IT. the cooler is big enough. the tooling was right. they JUST were saving on thermal pad size! crazy!
@capacitiveguitarresistance5 жыл бұрын
Look how thick those thermal pads are. I would redo the whole thing with direct contact via thermal past and aluminum.
@prpredatorz3105 жыл бұрын
Fun, would be a good experiment to put the proper size thermal pads on and run a few tests to see if thermals get better. Also, is it possible this was just on your model and more an oversite during build or design choice? Maybe some worker didn't want to get more pads, it was the end of the day and he was tired and just used what he had left some odds and ends and thought, "nobody will notice"
@MikaelKKarlsson5 жыл бұрын
Don't delay, get your GN toolkit today. 🤣
@b0om2k5 жыл бұрын
Suffice to say, I'm feeling pretty happy that I bought the Sapphire Pulse right now. For a product with "premium" aesthetics, MSI should have taken more care to ensure better build quality.
@ehohackner5 жыл бұрын
the size of the aluminum plate that touches the memory isn't the problem. just the half sized thermal pad, which can be easiliy replaced, at least...
@Wolf_17755 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that those stickers were illegal... Now I've got some research to do. Video liked just for that.
@user-pb2uo4gn6y5 жыл бұрын
Can I, in theory, change thermal pads myself? And you didn't mention their thickness. If you can add it in the description - would be great!
@kemalnottaturk25005 жыл бұрын
MSI and Sapphire clearly got the board design from the same place. The fuses and BIOS switch seem to be the only obvious difference. Is this an alternate AMD reference design? I have the Pulse. Plenty good enough.
@redrock4255 жыл бұрын
Shows the value of reviews. I saw multiple very good reviews of the Red Devil and ordered one. No real downsides to them, a bit cheaper would be nice but all GPUs seem expensive atm.
@theboldfuture23415 жыл бұрын
I don't get why MSI didn't just extend the length of the thermal pad? they've put the half that does contact further away from the GPU die, not closer - so the idea that it was tooling on the heatsink doesn't really add up? looks to me like if they just used a full size pad, it would contact across the cooling block...
@bundesautobahn75 жыл бұрын
Warranty stickers are also illegal in the EU.
@jasonmcgrody94725 жыл бұрын
I love the reaction shots on these teardowns where we are seeing the good/bad as Steve sees them. Great stuff!!
@andreibolohan6865 жыл бұрын
Could you test the 3 Fan Red Devil from PowerColor?
@secondsystems34795 жыл бұрын
Replace those pads with proper coverage on the modules and do a comparison on temps. Would really wanna see the results. Cheers Steve!
@2EOGIY5 жыл бұрын
it looks like a QC issue. It is a single pad cut in half because one was missing.
@BRUXXUS5 жыл бұрын
Those are some thick thermal pads on the memory, too! I can't imagine that helps with conduction that well.
@DeadNoob4515 жыл бұрын
Maybe theres an issue with mounting pressure if they used thinner therm pads. Still seems like a hackjob overall though.
@BRUXXUS5 жыл бұрын
@@DeadNoob451 Yeah, that cold plate was clearly not designed for this card layout.... 😐
@carwynvan5 жыл бұрын
It's such a shame that MSI cheaped out on the thermal designs because the aesthetic design is really nice on it! Really minimalist and not in your face.