Inside the Extreme Plan to Refreeze the Arctic | WSJ Future of Everything

A method normally used to create ice-skating rinks is now coming to the rescue of melting sea ice in the Arctic. Since satellite records began in 1979, summer Arctic sea ice has shrunk by around 13% per decade. Could making more ice be a potential solution to this issue?
WSJ got exclusive access to follow the team trialing the technology in the Arctic island of Svalbard, one of the coldest inhabited places in the world.
Chapters:
0:00 Decline of sea ice
0:44 Svalbard
3:00 Drilling
4:34 Temperature profile
5:17 Pumping
6:44 Challenges
#Climate #Norway #WSJ

[@wsj]

The first heat wave of the year is baking the West: on.wsj.com/45vsisN

[@iGame3D]

12 straight months of the hottest temperatures ever recorded on Earth just completed the first year of the end

[@pkwithmeplease]

actually its not.

[@pkwithmeplease]

also remember when you guys were freaking out last year about the water levels at lake mead??? yeah hows that working now? idiots dont udnerstand nature

[@Stupidityindex]

Refreezing is pure propaganda, the heat-sink for the planet is outer-space, & the public does not know this.

[@andypoppey5243]

So, let me get this right, y'all are soooo worried about CO2 levels, yet y'all are driving snowmobiles all over the Arctic??? Uhhhhhh

[@Mridul.scentman]

People who are criticising this effort should know that For every big project, small trial run is needed to see if they are going on a right track. They just can’t pour billions of dollars and indulge in this huge process without experimenting.

[@deeziebaby7241]

They sure can. You have no idea the amount of money wasted on pseudoscience. Go back and look up FDR's warning

[@michaelsnater2345]

Sure they could.

[@goldnutter412]

Yeah this is cool

[@TheSubieFan]

All human interference in nature has failed this will fail to even if it works.

[@byurBUDdy]

I criticize the effort because it is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

[@apotatoninja]

Every once in a while when it gets too hot we just drop a giant ice cube in the ocean

[@Moipdf]

Thank you handsome politician for your cheap last minute way to combat global warming

[@howardj602]

That use to happen every winter. When I moved to my location 50 years ago. The ground use to freeze up to 3 feet deep. Now the snow that falls melts, the ground is not frozen and we have puddles all winter.

[@chawenhalo0089]

​@@Moipdf You actually believe that we can "re-ice" the poles?! It's just a company making money with BS green agenda IMHO.

[@brownbrve]

Alls well until Haley’s comet runs out of ice

[@MarkMusil]

This is truly the best comment

[@YoungPineTree]

Didn't know Jürgen Klopp already found a new job.

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

New job and new name, nice.

[@svetoslavvergiev2841]

Soon we are going to see Salah and Mane drilling holes in the ice

[@Fokendran]

Who's Klopp? Can he stop ice melting? If not, he's not important

[@bradstokes7061]

Haaaaaaaa The Normal One.

[@hansudowolfrahm4856]

Me opening my fridge 24/7 to cool down earth: I'm doing my part

[@jakeroper1096]

Starting the movement ✊🏾

[@thebluespirit2006]

I think doing that* would make the fridge use more power leading to more CO2 emissions. Unless you're place is powered by renewable energy. NOTE! And yeah. I understand in a basic way how a fridge works. You guys. My POINT was. To note potential wasted unefficent power loss it would have doing something in a way it wasn't intended to be used. And therefore using more power. And therefore leading to more emissions than needed. IF the power comes from unrewnable sources.

[@carlrodalegrado4104]

Me turning on my old and new Air-conditioners with CFCs and HFCs 24/7 to also cool down earth: I'm doing my part!

[@jonathanjon3387]

thermodynamics says otherwise 🤣

[@jojojotype5563]

@@thebluespirit2006your fridge produces more heat than „cold air“ so even if it ran on 100% clean energy, it would still increase temperatures

[@souravjaiswal-jr4bj]

Yesterday my grandpa (age 85) said that summer has gotten worst both in absolute temp and humidity in Kolkata in last 10 years. He has not knowledge of science or climate change, pure observation.

[@phoenix5054]

My old dad said the same thing. He still denies climate change. Sometimes, it's the eldest who are more impervious to common sense.

[@Contractor48]

El nino. We are due to have 3-4 of hot years. It will cool after that.

[@gsuekbdhsidbdhd]

​@@Contractor48this development was before el nino so how is that an explanation?

[@budawang77]

@@Contractor48 The temperature trend is up despite some annual variations. The trend is everything.

[@hidennseek1483]

When I see old pictures of me when I was a child and how much snow used to fall in my town compared to the last 20 years it is just so obvious that something is wrong

[@wind-leader_jp]

For a long time, I imagined what would happen if salt made from seawater was sprinkled over Antarctica. When salt comes into contact with the snow on the surface, its melting point drops, so it turns into water, but if the surrounding area were colder, I wonder if it would freeze like a flat mirror. I had no idea of spraying seawater directly, but I hope it will be successful.

[@Kamran-sn2nq]

They will do anything other than fixing the issue

[@maxheadrom3088]

7:53 Really? Harder challenges than restoring the Arctic? Who did they worked for? Space aliens?

[@social.2184]

I think they are talking from an engineering point of view. Rocket engineering, biomedical engineering, and civil engineering have lots of more complex engineering and math going on in their project as compared to restoring ice in the artic

[@janinesnyder8250]

Yes😂

[@AIartBonaza]

This is like spitting into the wind to put a fire out.

[@patrick247two]

Exactly the type of plan that the Wall Street Journal would support.

[@stevedemoe1359]

Hippy street journal

[@Dead.garden]

Me just make a nuclear plant off shore and a big building ment to evaporate water collect the salt and the fresh water 20% ship to people to drink and sell 100% of the salt the other 80% fresh water run it through warmed up pipes that spray a mist onto the ice but have it high enough and low enough temperature it doesn't freeze the pipes but freezes before it hits the ground. So basically ice snow or snow but more tear drop shap lol 😂. But yes pipes in the sky or 15 feet off the ground spraying water to make more ice. Just don't spray over water I hear that melts it 😂😂😂😂😂.

[@MirceaKitsune]

Impressive, but I have a method that's far more realistic by comparison: Throw a bottle of water in the freezer for an hour, put it in your pocket, board the fastest plane to Antarctica, get on a bus to a city close to the target, after that take a snowmobile to the glacier, then spill the bottle on the ground... simply return to your continent and repeat the process. If enough people do it then it's bound to work, because human ingenuity has no limits and will always save the day somehow!

[@argentum530]

... You forgot the /s but I like how you think

[@vejovim]

If we just generate ice in ice cube factories powered by coal, we can ship it up there and, eventually, there'll be enough ice that the Arctic will cool back down.

[@snakeeyes9246]

The issue with that statement is the usage of coal.

[@180_S]

​@@snakeeyes9246that's the joke...

[@JA238979]

Yeah, they said in the video that the pumps are powered by diesel. This channel is usually good, but this video was foolish.

[@Letmeusethis999]

We could give tax relief to families that donate their freezer space to ice creation.

[@HungerSTR1KE]

Thank you for calling out this complete irony! I'm like - this isn't sustainable, either.... The sustainability of this is zero. She even said it - well we use diesel to pump water to make ice and the burning diesel is contributing to the melting.... And "green hydrogen" is not what it sounds like.

[@tinto278]

The problem is Russia and China want to open up the sea routes in the artic.

[@nurex9029]

Why is that a problem I thought Russia alone controls 55% of the Arctic, no?

[@Jack-rp6zy]

​@@nurex9029because that means they have a vested interest in keeping the arctic ice free and will likely impede efforts to save the ice

[@pianobench6319]

It's not opening up in the winter.

[@phil20_20]

China is so close to it too!

[@AnnoyingMoose]

@@nurex9029 Half of the arctic is in Canada.

[@ericmaclaurin8525]

How much for enough stratospheric SO2 to cool the artic by a couple degrees for a couple of years?

[@LenaBowmanrgn]

very useful video! Thank you

[@charlesd4923]

Nuclear Micro-reactors would be a great energy source for these projects

[@RicardoVanHouten]

And where is the Nuclear waste go to?, until thorium reactors are in service we are just giving the problem back to the next generation

[@charlesd4923]

@@RicardoVanHouten there are various designs for nuclear waste disposal that are very viable. The United States was going to have the first one in the world at Yucca Mountain however political issues stopped it after billions had been spent. Nuclear waste is really not the issue with Nuclear energy. The main issues are time to build, and the large upfront costs.

[@crhu319]

That's stupid.

[@charlesd4923]

@@crhu319 Noted

[@khiariyoussef3226]

@@charlesd4923 unbelievable how the US gov stopped investing in this project to fund wars in other countries lol

[@lineinthesand663]

It costs more energy to make ice than to not.

[@davestagner]

Depends on how you’re making it and where the energy comes from. The methods here are fine.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

Sure but whats your point?

[@tonywilson4713]

Engineer here: Yeah I can't see how they can actually do this with out making things worse by consuming more energy. At least they admitted the irony of using diesel generators to run the experiment. Like all of the climate solutions its going to be a matter of how we power it more than anything else. Sadly right now (as an engineer) I don't see any initiatives that come close to being called a solution.

[@lineinthesand663]

@@tonywilson4713 Unrealistic solutions to imaginary problems. No surprises there. The western world is characterised by this nonsense nowadays.

[@lineinthesand663]

@@Chris-rg6nm Do I actually need to write it out?

[@somaghosh2960]

Good idea. But Arctic Circle is now new Geopolitical hub.

[@The38alt]

No it isn't. Live in Nunavut and there is barely anything in Nunavut because it's the arctic. It might only be a Norway thing.

[@vsznry]

@@The38alt Johnny Harris has somerhing to say about that... lolol. youre wrong. Its the new frontier for territory & war. Its whats under your ice.

[@artman12]

⁠@@The38altThat’s because Nunavut is often ignored by the Canadian federal government who doesn’t even have enough subs to patrol the Arctic.

[@MirceaKitsune]

Those ideas are anything but good: They're fabricated by people who live in cartoons and project based on cartoon physics, zero understanding of scale / effort / sustainability.

[@meteorknight999]

​@@artman12its only nato trying to harass russia there making military bases in artic norway

[@findandgetanything]

Glad to see TU Delft as a part of the team solving this!!

[@josephpiskac2781]

We should invest in extreme weather proof habitation and agriculture.

[@TheRadioAteMyTV]

GMO - done.

[@ElectricNed]

Lol good luck, weather trumps engineering every time in the long run.

[@madhavgupta1558]

Salute to these men

[@garethjones909]

You don't need diesel generators. Just use a load of ram pumps. They run themselves without needing continuous energy. They can't pump a lot of water. Surely a ram pump can be utilised in some way

[@zettaiengineer4202]

summary: the heat in liquid seawater that is nominally insulated by sea ice is surfaced so that it can be radiated into space, resulting in ice(heat) that would otherwise not be formed(be rejected to space). essentially an ice machine(heat pump) with a condenser that uses the of coldness of space and the atmospheric window.

[@Thepriest39]

Interesting idea.

[@masong8332]

A great idea. But even if successful how could this be done at any meaningful scale?

[@TheRadioAteMyTV]

Ok, so you call it a great idea then you reveal it's a useless great idea. Great work.

[@derbybagger5236]

Great point, except we do crazy environmental engineering at meaningful scales all the time. Look-up the great American worm wall. Or the removal of smallpox. One small step doesn't get you anywhere, but ten thousand small steps can climb entire mountains.

[@MirceaKitsune]

Simple: It can't. We're in the day and age where the most "rational" people have zero sense of scale; They'll discover water gets cold when you put it in a freezer, then tell us how we can save an entire continent's worth of ice by bringing a glass of cold water from home and splashing it on the ground... it may sound crazy but it works under lab conditions, so with enough -of your- money we'll pull it off somehow because we always do, after all isn't that how every American success story starts?!

[@Unlucky13ification]

This is nice, a video on a solution to climate change instead of the abundance of videos I see showing extreme weather and the damage it caused. I'll look for more stuff like this.

[@nickmastera]

If there is any current under the ice it can be used to spin a spiral to lead water up? Or something like this?

[@jfjoubertquebec]

My God. We are done with.

[@siar1462]

Wow, is literally along the lines of what was depicted in an matrix/matrix prequel where depicted reflecting the sunrise away from earth.

[@phil20_20]

"We don't know why they scortched the sky, but we do know it wasn't the machines." - Morpheus

[@robertmarmaduke186]

So you admit it's the sun, and not the CO2!

[@sheerluckholmes7720]

@@robertmarmaduke186 Suspicious Observers...🤔...🤫

[@ssokolow]

@@phil20_20 If that was intended to be the line from the 1999 movie, I'm pretty certain that it went more like "We don't know who struck first, but we know that we scorched the sky."

[@drheidisevestre]

I was lucky to meet this super welcoming and dynamic team in Svalbard. But we really need to ask ourselves about the pollution this will generate, where will the energy come from, how to mitigate the noise pollution from the pumps, how quickly this can be scaled and how will they manage the drift of the ice. The scaling of these solutions is the real challenge. As it was clearly stated in this great video, the best way to save sea ice is to decarbonise; let's make sure we don't use geoengineering start ups to do our dirty work and let private individuals and companies continue with business as usual.

[@teresamexico309]

Starting from the beginning: decarbonise.

[@JerryRigEverything]

Pretty cool!

[@bbull789]

the theory of evolution strikes again

[@suminshizzles6951]

Madness. Rather than addressing the actual problem which is us humans, they come up with ways to prolong the madness. Not one freaking politician has yet to mention that big elephant in the room, population growth.

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

almost every single 1st world country is below birth rate replacement... the population growth is happening in the 3rd world, which is also where most of the plastic in the oceans, the overfishing of the oceans, and many other forms of pollution is coming from. anyways, you've been fed a Malthusian lie that population growth and a warming planet will lead to human extinction. in geologic terms we are just coming out of an ice age into a phase of global warming, humans can do nothing to stop it. maybe we have sped up the process slightly, but the end result will be the same. you've been fear mongered into giving up your freedom and paying for a higher cost of living and taxes so some corporations that get massive government hand outs can get rich. played by the corporations again lol... a tale as old as time. "give up your freedom for security" classic lol

[@plankton50]

Most of the population growth we're seeing is in populations that use the smallest amount of carbon... so...

[@bobbyburtonphotography]

Who exactly can control the entire world and how each country does business?

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

@@bobbyburtonphotography nobody, but arrogant leftists ofc think they can control the climate and all of humanity

[@joereynolds3297]

Does the man made ice layer have a lower albedo? Would a layer of man made snow, even though of lower mass, having greater reflectivity make a bigger effect?

[@DanielB.-fb8hj]

unbelievable. It is very interesting

[@TycoNewRC]

They need to switch to using renewable energy to power these machines, such as biofuel (which I assume diesel is not) otherwise this will never be sustainable ... And that's assuming all of this is even safe and not detrimental to the rest of the world's environments.

[@amirsadeghi9888]

how do they make the "renewables" ? By melting the glass into solar panels? To exist as humans means to consume energy and generate heat. Climate agenda is anti humanist. Bond villain/nazi vibes.

[@za7v9ier]

Spraying water over the surface in a mist form would help the water to solidify into ice... just saying..

[@anthonytimpson4975]

doesnt this darken the ice, lowering it's albedo and make it more susceptible to melting from sunlight?

[@arnu]

Finalmente un'idea concreta per provare a tener piu' controllato lo scioglimento dei ghiacci ed aver qualche effetto sull'innalzamento della temperatura .

[@solidorsharp3091]

I’m working on this also (ALP) my project is Antarctica Legacy Project. Refreezing solves multiple problems. Stops and reverse sea level rise, potentially restores ocean temperatures, and also restores wildlife, maritime habitats. This scientifically attainable and sustainable, eco friendly. New technologies and architecture. See you there. Thank you all for your support of my project and other working on these climate solutions. The sun is expanding and this will have a long term benefit. But we still need to move away from fossil fuels.

[@roxieearly9484]

I hear the theme song from the movie The Titanic........

[@amirsadeghi9888]

not your Alpine bias wanting to reduce earth's temperature. Must be a euro/white thing.

[@TenthCrane2788]

One million pumps and one million small wind turbines that have to be installed, moved hundreds of times and finally removed each year.

[@davewalters6348]

😂😅

[@cliftonsnider1520]

Do you think maybe it might make sense to stop all the icebreakers and ships from going back and forth breaking up the ice in the first place?

[@hansel2001]

A good idea but potentially laden with tons of unintended consequences. A layer of salt water on top of mainly de-salinated ice and snow is likely going to create vast stretches of sludge. To make even a dent into combatting loss of sea ice, the scale of such a project would be prohibitive. Good-intentioned people but they’d be better off spending their time and resources towards something that works.

[@garrettbrowning4169]

Isn’t this how snowpiercer happens?

[@tylerknight99]

Must keep in mind Snowpiercer is a work of thoughtful fiction, not a prophecy

[@VendettaDaZippo]

Why not just use old school windmill-like setups to power the pumps? I assume it's pretty windy up there since it's so flat.

[@johansjournal]

because its inefficient

[@VendettaDaZippo]

@@johansjournal so? It'd be passive and free energy for pulling up water. Doesn't need to be efficient.

[@user-jr4ru7fe4j]

Could they have a gravity fed pump that only needs to be primed by a motor to start? Not sure about the -40F.

[@AlexofAddison]

Does the reflectivity of the new ice off set the co2 emissions needed to generate it?

[@yacir]

Commendable effort, thank you.

[@AndreaDoesYoga]

Mind-blowing solution, let's refreeze the Arctic! ❄️

[@Sawyer186]

Except it is and you're just being foolish and sarcastic

[@phil20_20]

🤌🤏 It's a snap!

[@petertrypsteen]

What if they used radiative cooling (water) ice (as used for ice cream) instead of or in addition to glass beads?

[@rd9102]

Fascinating.

[@chrissmith4444]

Lets refreeze the artic. *Drives gas powered snowmobile

[@keiththomas8705]

*Pours micro beads on the ice*

[@burtan2000]

Petrol has a shitload of energy in a small volume. They need the data to Calibrate the process. But like carbon capture it's only one aspect 😊

[@randyfandango5033]

Lets refreeze the arctic. *Constantly exhales C02

[@crhu319]

Literally all vehicles in Antarctic are EVs.

[@chrissmith4444]

@@crhu319 How is that possible if batteries perform worst in cold weather?

[@desigk4136]

Good job

[@andreaselrod8903]

What about underwater turbines similar to the underwater turbine generators to pump water to surface using the currents(it would be designed to pump vs be a generator but possibly it could generate a small amount of power to be connected to satellites or something)?

[@SeanWork]

Thinking out loud: I heard once that you could just paint roofs white and it'd effectively do what the ice caps do. But then, I THINK I heard this would just cause light to bounce up to clouds and back down and warm the earth even more. SO is this really dependent on latitude?

[@qwertyqwert2818]

The clouds doesn't cover the sun 24/7. Probably only 20%-30% of the time in a year will be covered with clouds. Rest there is no clouds to re-reflect

[@SeanWork]

@@qwertyqwert2818 There's also the case of ocean shipping during 2020 - 2021. That was the year they banned a certain type of ship fuel (or there was a lack of shipping) and they found that the sulfur compounds that come from the ship exhaust where actually helping to reflect light back into space. They were able to measure a noticeable difference in temperature effects. Basically it got hotter without the "sulfur exhaust". I'm starting to think the fastest way to control global temps is through reflectivity .. basically anywhere.

[@wintermath3173]

White roofs also reduce the amount of energy needed to cool the building underneath. Behavior change by people to tolerate higher indoor temperatures in the summer would help as well.

[@jeffbenton6183]

Weird to be this early to a WSJ video. There are more practical negative emissions efforts, such as Marine cloud brightening. This would be 1/50th of the cost posited here.

[@zeldaprime]

When the boat is filling with water, bailing is certainly slower than a pump, doesn't mean you should stop bailing. The pump could fail.

[@tayl0r612]

Yeah this is a solved problem using reflective clouds. It's just not being done at scale yet. Good to understand alternatives I guess?

[@MISTERLeSkid]

A team of people thickening a couple of football fields that they just drive-up on their skidoos from land? How many millions of people will need to drill and flood the millions of football fields of ice in the arctic, which is thousands of miles from any land? It's a lovely theory but in no way practically feasible.

[@Silks-]

it’s like throwing a cup of water on a forest fire lol

[@glennleatherwood4552]

They've been "cloud seeding" since the Vietnam war. It seems like that would be more effective (if that's possible for snow)

[@Silks-]

Why is the KZbin comments sections obsessed with cloud seeding? I’m assuming it’s mostly bots to shed doubt on climate change, and the rest are idiots that believe the bots

[@samuelbell626]

In their defense, the stated goal was to test the feasibility of how well the idea will scale, and it sounded like they were also trying to test for unintended consequences, like changing the profile of the ice core with the warm water being put on top. If the test does work, the idea does seem simple enough to scale. Drill lots of holes in the ice and pump water on top. Scaled up they could generate the power next to the pump with solar or wind.

[@Silks-]

@@samuelbell626 I mean it was worth a shot. If I had to guess on the percentage of success to make it scalable id have guessed

[@ryuuguu01]

7:19. the Arctic is currently warming faster than the rest of the planet. So regionally cooling the Arctic would likely not cause weather problems but more likely reduce them. There still could be lots of other problems. The ice made by pumping water over ice will have a higher salinity than naturally formed ice, because naturally formed ice has lower salinity than the seawater it freezes from.

[@techkid3874]

People need to understand that the primary source of sea levels rising is the thermal expansion of the water, not ice caps melting

[@spelunking4444]

Nuts absolutely nuts! They're gonna make things worse and melt it instead aren't they😬

[@kenmore01]

Fortunately, I believe their puny capabilities will make no difference at all.

[@skyworks1621]

😂😂 good one, it sure looks like it.

[@spelunking4444]

@@kenmore01 😂 aww seriously though gotta show respect for what they're doing. Much respect guys and gals😢 stay safe

[@heidy_km]

This is pretty cool!!

[@phil20_20]

🥁🥁

[@Nick_Gerr-Pries]

I’m installing a split system in my backyard so I can cool down the outdoor air, just doing my part.

[@robertellingtom2683]

I admired your ingenuity

[@180_S]

This is fantastic. I believe that some geoengineering will be inevitably needed at this point.

[@MirceaKitsune]

You must have too much money and not sure what to do with it. Worry not: The government will increase your taxes and use your money to throw random things over ice in the Antarctic because in their cartoon world they believe that's going to save the planet!

[@maxheadrom3088]

You mean they will pump more sweet water into the North Atlantic? Arent they worried with the slowing down of the AMOC? Aren't they worried about the salt helping the ice sheet bellow to melt faster? Salt is used to remove ice from roads ... OBS: when water freezes if forms crystalline structures that expell the other substances disolved. Freezing water, for instance, is an efficient way of removing salt from sea water (it's efficient in regions that have temperatures bellow zero)

[@karanprabhu4317]

Pumping the water at the height of the tallest mountain using solar panels to run the external pumps using insulated pipes to prevent internal freezing will make it snow over the ice caps which are more resilient to the melting effects then the bare plateau surface snow... Look at ladakh building ice stupas using similar technology. Likely the salt content in the water may even aid in preventing the internal freezing. Flooding will create transparent to translucent ice which is still absorptive to sunlight but showering water will create snow flakes which are more opaque and will rather increase the reflection of sunlight with its whiter appearance. Sounds more sustainabke to me... what are your thoughts?

[@Usernahbro]

The camera crew when they found out where their next assignment was : 😳

[@petewright4640]

Why not just stop burning fossil fuels.

[@phil20_20]

We are all addicted to carbon monoxide. That's the real reason people can't stop smoking.

[@CODTerracraft]

So basically we want snowpiercer now

[@robertellingtom2683]

I think it's a brilliant idea I think every country that has a permafrost issue especially around the Arctic circle of course need to invest in doing this project so that they can keep the temperature down if not the inevitable melting will slow down Amos to the point where we will definitely have a thick frozen Arctic if you know whaat i mean

[@lemmetellyousomething679]

Me watching this video at 1080p premium and asking my friends to do the same to support it every possible way: I'm doing my part I know, it ain't much, but it's honest work

[@habbyhouse]

All the funding will surely be taken out of education and Healthcare budget. Because we cannot possibly decrease our frivolous expending elsewhere.

[@BillionairesArentYourFriends]

Ah yes, God forbid the military doesn't get MORE

[@phil20_20]

We won't need those if the people are already dead...

[@ahuels67]

How do they plan on stopping the Volcanos from pumping out much more emissions than we are??? If that cant be stopped as well then there is no point.

[@kiuk_kiks]

Volcanic activity is a small fraction of CO2 emissions worldwide. This has been disproven on so many occasions.

[@memesfamilyguyandtvshows]

I always thought about things like this as a kid like what if we get a gaint freezer with hydrogen power station you freeze the water and sea water together

[@tmosest]

We need an ice cube from Halley’s Comet 😂

[@bethh1068]

Dam, the ice salinity is kind of a big deal imo, ice is supposed to always be a safe supply of potable drinking water. If they do this at a large scale with salt water that will make the ice undrink able for people and animals for future generations. I can't support this.

[@gavinminion8515]

A couple of points: 1 Young sea ice is saltwater ice - this is the ice which is disappearing fastest. 2 the melting of the ice will cause it to flow into the sea - which will mean it becomes saltwater in any case.

[@dinte215]

​@@gavinminion8515the point being raised is that arctic animals get their water from those ice packs, but now it's been turned into an salt desert that will make it deadly for polar life to sustain off

[@bethh1068]

@@gavinminion8515 These kind of both sound like arguments for using desalinated water.

[@gavinminion8515]

@@bethh1068 Thanks. I'm not advocating this btw, I think it's a bad idea because it can't be scaled up effectively. My point with both above is that this would (should?) be used to form sea ice in places where it is disappearing - if the ice disappears from these places all that will be left is saltwater. Using desalinated water would be preferable, but makes the expansion of this project even more impractical.

[@eb-pe8xg]

This is a ridiculous plan for so many reasons, to start, look at the sea ice map presented in the beginning. Note that the geographic expanse of the sea ice has shrunk, NOT the total thickness of the ice. The greater the geographic expanse of the sea ice, the great the cooling effect. The reduction of sea ice is a function of warmer water.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

And how much rain forest is being cut down every day?

[@jasonfirewalker3595]

You may have heard of "tipping points", wherein climate warming reaches a stage that triggers a change that amplifies warming exponentially. The methane locked into the Arctic tundra and seabed constitutes such a tipping point as methane is 10x more efficient a greenhouse gass than co2. I suggest preventing that at all costs or even cockroaches will have a hard go of it.

[@patrickmacleod2415]

I’m not a scientist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. But this is an example of the complete lack of any sense of many scientists today. There is obviously too much funding for these people. This should have never gotten off the ground, as the absurdity of doing this at a useful scale should be obvious. But that doesn’t really matter to these people- all that matters is they get funding to keep getting paid.

[@ElectricNed]

The absurdity of treating the environment like a giant f****** open sewer and expecting no consequences is a little bit more of a farce, don't you think? We are in deep s***.

[@NoNameToYou]

Ministry of the future

[@davestagner]

That book had some really interesting ideas about saving glaciers!

[@andrewday3206]

Aerosols above the Arctic in the stratosphere would reduce the amount energy reaching the region. This would be effective at cooling and scalable.

[@eddiejohnhurst1]

I have a crazy idea to solve this problem!!!

[@davidbradford8542]

When will we learn to stop meddling in nature, there will always be adverse events.

[@jakeroper1096]

Extracting coal and oil from the ground is the greatest meddling we’ve ever done.

[@dattimmyboy]

@@jakeroper1096true this is fixing it

[@gavinminion8515]

@@dattimmyboy sadly, probably not. Most geoengineering is rich capitalist experiments to promote rich capitalist solutions to a problem which was mostly caused by rich capitalists. To put this idea into perspective, one proposal involved 10 million wind powered pumps, each containing about 10,000kg of steel. That would be 100 million tons of steel. For Mild steel that would be 140 million tons of CO2 released just to build the pumps. Essentially the big problem with geoengineering is that the world is very large. With most of the population busy burning all of the fossil fuels we could get our hands on, it has still taken us a hundred years to get to this point - As one commenter said above, Extracting coal and oil from the ground is the greatest meddling we’ve ever done. It will take a massive amount of geoengineering to come close to that.

[@gavinminion8515]

@@jakeroper1096 I stole your comment in mine below because it is so good I think it is worth repeating twice. I hope you don't mind.

[@jakeroper1096]

@@gavinminion8515 Capitalists and capitalism is the only logical way out. Why waste time waiting for people to be inspired to fix it when we can just pay them via massive buyouts if they’re successful?

[@anobody3803]

Ice reflects sunlight so doing anything to the ice is fruitless. The problem is global ocean temperatures have skyrocketed. It’s not the sun that’s melting the ice it’s the increase in water temperature. It’s like trying to prevent an ice cube from melting in a warm glass of water.

[@richhancock4254]

I thought we were done with this political false flag! I looked up temps from when they started keeping track, nothing has changed, some Winters and summers change, but the math shows, NOTHING has changed. Do your research, use an honest browser.

[@Dieu_regne]

Put Sun shades in geo-synchronous orbit, job done.

[@psychedelicward]

Sooo does anyone wanna talk about why we don't mix fresh water with salt water...

[@sheerluckholmes7720]

🤔a question that could end the project...😂...🐧

[@teachingriver3684]

We should harvest Ice from a comet and drop it into the ocean like a big ice cube #futurama

[@phil20_20]

Like, "Red Mars."

[@Owl350]

The US needs a Nuremberg Type Trial !

[@christopherleubner6633]

There is no way that this would work. The sheer volume of the areas that would need to be treated is far beyond our capabilities, especially that multiple positive reinforcing feedback loops have been activated. We must cope.😢

[@justice_4_ayesha]

Ice Stupa method might be helpful to make new giant glacier

[@kimguy4159]

They should try to use magic to power the pumps

[@vdiitd]

Yeah, what could go wrong in trying to freeze the Arctic? We humans create 10 more problems, in trying to solve 1.

[@ElectricNed]

This guy here knows more than all the PhDs in this program guys, he watched half of this video and already knows what they don't! Always come to the YT comments for the real geniuses.

[@sdub300]

Yale says the AMOC is shutting down. Meaning a colder europe and a colder northern hemisphere.

[@phil20_20]

Well, maybe, but there's a small chance it might not be from using fossil fuels! ⛽ 🤠

[@sdub300]

@@phil20_20 Extra solar and cosmic energy bleeding into earth.

[@Alorio-Gori]

This is great. I wish them the best for the sake of the planet 🌏

[@vipahman]

All useless ideas at such scale. Perhaps, stop buying garbage products for your house that are sourced from far away countries.

[@xforce3648]

Unfortunately, this may help, but it's merely addressing a symptom of the problem. If we actually want to prevent the Earth from warming at alarming levels, we must reduce the amount of CO2 emissions that we emit into the atmosphere.

[@snakeeyes9246]

While simultaneously removing CO2 among other greenhouse gases (most prominent would be methane, CH4) from the atmosphere.

[@dehout]

And doing this at the same time. Better than being absolutist, it’s best if many people focus on cutting CO2 emissions, CO2 capture and then a few work on the symptoms in the meanwhile, no? Why would they stop what they’re doing? It’s not that black and white.

[@jamesgreig5168]

Utter rubbish. The assumption that CO2 is causing any significant warming is faulty. Historicsl evidence of CO2 levels and temperature clearly proved that CO2 rises AFTER temperature increases. This idea is brilliant.

[@Jc-ms5vv]

@@jamesgreig5168😂😂😂

[@davidcamelot4908]

Well I just realized , adding 1 trillion tonnes of co2 to atmosphere would not just change the jet streams, it should likely disorder the electrical activity of the sky, as co2 is likely a bad conductor , where as water and moist air is better , so it’s like adding a 30 % stronger resistor or capacitor to a circuit , the capacitor, high sky , building up a bigger charge when finally released . Thus likely More violent weather .

[@yomajo]

Would love to see chinese scientists collaborating. They joined the arctic countries council as friend or something, right? Or was that only for military bases expansion?