Antitrust Lawyer Breaks Down DOJ’s Apple Lawsuit | WSJ

[@wsj]

Read more about the monopoly case pitting the DOJ against Apple’s antitrust winning streak: on.wsj.com/3JkLT4y

[@Lolatyou332]

"Raise prices above a competitive level, and to exclude competition" -- Hmm almost like the health care and prescription drug system...

[@UwOtt]

Shhh, the government is taking on a more important threat - iPhones!

[@SGxShadow]

This! Or the fact that our military has not passed an audit in years... more than 50% of our taxes goes toward the military industrial complex. I'd much rather know where my tax dollars are going more than someone having or not having an iPhone. The DOJ is a joke!

[@sofianikiforova7790]

Govt mandated insurance is an outright scam. Tax money should be used to foot those bills. Instead they outsourced it to pseudo private sector monopolies who do what monopolies do.

[@nylotical]

Meanwhile Samsung S24 Ultra is $1599 for 512 black. 🫤 I hate that they make some colors more expensive.

[@kart182]

That’s a really good point

[@nxios]

They also monopolized how they repair their products

[@lucose2001]

yes.. battery is headache for buy oem

[@rodrigo445678]

So? Most other products have that same thing. You can take your Tesla to a third party but...

[@billB101]

Just ask Louis Rossmann.

[@SixTough]

​@@rodrigo445678 Doesn't make it OK

[@lokisg3]

​@@rodrigo445678 You don't repair Apple products, you buy new ones.

[@reyesarg]

I own an independent repair shop. If a customer want's an aftermarket display or battery then a message will pop up saying, "Cannot verify if an original part is used, please contact apple". This message scares off customers and then they want on OEM apple part. I can buy an apple part from apple for 2 or 3X the cost of an aftermarket. I then have to contact apple and give them a serial number and order number for apple to serialize the parts to the logic board. Apple has agreed to right to repair however they have still cornered the billion dollar repair industry with this software serialization of parts. Apple also does this with the new macbooks. There have been times when an update has been released and I see many ipads/iphones/macbooks come into my shop. I once had over 13 ipads come in in one week after an update (all ipads where of the number series & 2-3 yrs old). All ipads had bad batteries. Coincidence? I think not. Apple Sux and their corporate values have gone astray.

[@heyaisdabomb]

I do think THIS is where the focus of the DOJ should be. Sure, apples anti repair practices are bad. But everyone is following suit. I know your aware of Samsung Serializing parts as well. Most of this lawsuit will get tossed because it's without merit. They should focus on the anti-repair practices and the absurd hardware upgrade costs, like $400 for $10 worth of ram, or $400 for a $12 nand chip for more storage.

[@jacobschneider3767]

Same thing with printer ink and supplies, tons of other products. OEM is always more expensive

[@cordlc]

The phone detecting parts not being original, by itself, is not anti-repair. At best, you can say the notification is annoying, and it should be easier to hide (if it isn't already, I haven't dealt with it myself). But the fact that we know the device has non-OEM parts in it is a good thing, because if anyone wants to buy used in the future, they don't want to get screwed over. Apple products being reliable (or at least predictable) is what gives them excellent resale value.

[@NPC123UH]

because its true.

[@owomushi_vr]

Never buy apple always buy quality phones

[@HaHaBIah]

"Just buy your mom an iPhone"

[@stevenaziz]

Still not illegal. Being good at business and smart is what got Apple into its position today.

[@m444kima]

@@stevenazizas a company you don’t get that big playing fair tho..

[@michaelchiguil5162]

@@m444kimaProvide evidence. Blackberry failed after apple released their smartphone. It’s what consumer’s wanted 🤷‍♂️, “not playing fair” is based on consumers, not every company has products that we want.

[@marcus.H]

​@@stevenaziz keep paying double for an inferior product 😅

[@TurdFergusen]

@@marcus.Hkeep giving your data away for free then complaining that AI stole your data😊

[@breechcomet9724]

I'm surprised that neither the EU nor the DOJ did something about apple's xcode(which is mac exclusive) requirement to publish apps to iOS, MacOS watchOS etc.

[@notjxdxn]

How is that a monopoly..? Just don’t video on Xcode 💀

[@ashishmusani7016]

yeah, use only apple to create apps for apple

[@SouthPeter98]

​@@notjxdxnit's a monopoly on iOS development tools and makes developers purchase MacBooks when they may not want to. It defeats competition without competing, so it's a monopoly

[@antoineNGHT]

You have react native, flutter, and kotlin. All provide platform specific tools and libraries. No one would bother doing things the old way anymore.

[@Theoryofcatsndogs]

@@SouthPeter98 So maybe don't make apps for iOS. Android is a bigger market. Apple don't force anyone to make app for iOS or MacOS

[@KashifNawaz85]

Apple, "We don't allow our devices to work on other OS." "We don't allow others companies' smartwatches, and other accessories to work properly." "We don't allow apps to use 3rd party payment methods." "We don't allow apps to even mention that user can subscribe on app website." "We don't allow 3rd party app stores in our OS" "We don't allow sideloading" "We make almost impossible to leave our walled garden." Also Apple "We are not a monopoly."

[@rodrigo445678]

They are not. Ford doesn't allow other hardware in their vehicles, they decide the pieces, the repair shops and more. It's the same thing. A pathetic DOJ trying to prove something non existent. Apple doesn't have the obligation to allow the connection of other hardware to their own, they don't have any obligation to allow anything they don't want, it's their ecosystem. If Apple disappeared, all of those problems wouldn't exist. Thus, not a monopoly. A monopoly can only exist if there's only one company to produce the good. Not the case.

[@notjxdxn]

Okay yall are forgetting Apple is not a nessesity… no one is forcing you to get a iPhone. All of those things are apples benefits…

[@MrCaiobrz]

@@notjxdxn If you are using a smartphone that is not connected to anything, can't install anything, and can't even properly browse the internet, why buy a smartphone. So what you are saying that today, in 2024, a smartphone is not required? lol good luck

[@charliesmash]

Or just buy another phone…

[@nylotical]

1) No problem with the first one. 2) It has been shown that Apple Watches were originally to be used with Android as a gateway into iOS but there was way too much limitations that would hold it back and major security issues. Ex. Apple Watch unlocks your Mac automatically when you’re right next to it and try to enter it, something that couldn’t be done on windows seamlessly as Android and Windows are separate and don’t communicate between each other like an iPhone, Watch, and Mac do. 3) PayPal, CashApp, and others work unless you’re talking about something else? 4)

[@TTOS69]

Sounds like Apple didn't give the right comgressmen their heads up stock information... Bc why else would they be doing this?

[@Jay12Dizzle]

But they don’t go after the real estate monopolies

[@happymelon7129]

real estate monopolies own them

[@AndrewRusherLDS]

When a company is broken up, the owner(s) of the broken up company just become the owner(s) of the newly "freed" company/companies. When Standard Oil was broken up, the "freed" companies merged into smaller Standard Oils so the only thing that changed was that we went from one company to a handful of companies owned by the same people.

[@blacksheepshepherd]

Well, that's the whole purpose, do check who are the new shareholders by then 😂😂😂

[@AndrewRusherLDS]

@@blacksheepshepherd if there are new shareholders

[@conradotieno612]

True. But the point isn't ownership. I don't think anyone is legally limited from ownership. The point is the effect monopolies have on consumers. So it would only be illegal if the broken up companies collude to diminish the consumer experience or quality of service for their joint gain. It had, from my understanding, nothing to do with ownership.

[@AndrewRusherLDS]

@@conradotieno612 if the companies have the same owners, the owners run each company in a way where the company benefits without causing much harm to the other companies but they don't make any agreements between the companies which makes any claim of colluding harder to prove.

[@STREETFOODJOURNEY5]

this people got nothing better to do?

[@michaelthetrent]

As an Android user who wholeheartedly dislikes Apple and the things they do to block off their ecosystem, I don't think they have a case. I feel that way about Apple and I have the choice to not be involved with their business. Not a monopoly in my eyes if you have the option to not use their products\services.

[@2DTheBeast]

Not to mention, it's actually cheaper to switch to non Apple devices? So how is that a monopoly? People buy into the next phones willingly, they are not forced, lol. It's just people prefer the convenience of not having to learn a new phone/system, and how is that on apple fault?

[@polong99]

@@2DTheBeastflagship Android cost the same if not more expensive than an iPhone nowadays.

[@daexion]

The problem is Apple traps people in their ecosystem and forces developers to use their products/services and still charges you even if you don't use their services for payment just to exist in the ecosystem on a different app store. If you don't want to play ball with them on paying their mandatory "to exist here" fee per app purchase, they ban you from the ecosystem on the developer level.

[@mrmatrik3430]

Its considered monopoly because it has more than 65% market share in US

[@estiennetaylor1260]

Crapple treat their users like morons.

[@josidasilva5515]

The purchase of competitor companies in the beginnings of their existence and then having their products/services completely disappear, is the most common method of eliminating the competition; this should be illegal, the cost of this practice is charged to the consumers.

[@nylotical]

While Beats wasn’t in its early stages, it definitely didn’t have its products disappear and beats now sound way better because they aren’t just bass and no vocals or treble.

[@rodm209]

Sounds like the electric persinal motorized industry thats been around for a long time

[@robertmusil1107]

Google and Amazon are experts at this. We would have so much innovation if Google would actually make something out of all the things they purchased but they are just filled with lazy developers.

[@mriz]

building seamless integration is fine. but when you proactively control integration with other protocols (RCS), it is sure monopoly!

[@stevenaziz]

I take it that you’re not a lawyer.

[@Mr_MikeMikeMike]

​@@stevenazizand are you?

[@mitchellscheer677]

Not if such controls are implemented to benefit consumers, which is Apple's argument.

[@aebisdecunter]

​@@mitchellscheer677 Thank god I can't replace a dirty/cracked rear camera from another phone to my own. I can only imagine how horrible it would've been to replace a broken camera instead of buying a whole new phone and throwing out the other one.

[@heyaisdabomb]

@@aebisdecunter Samsung also serializes all of the parts of their smart phones. All of the phone manufacturers are starting to do this. It's not just Apple.

[@rwaxzy]

Can someone break this down for me? How is there a monopoly? I am free to buy whatever phone I want, and if I want to switch from Apple to Samsung, I am free to do so? If I have bought several Apple products and "locked" my self in the Apple environment, that's my solely my fault and not Apples' fault? The same would go for Samsung, if I wanted to switch to Apple? Or am I missing something?

[@heyaisdabomb]

The claim is that because some apple devices like the apple watch can only be used with an iPhone, that makes them "monopolistic". Creating their own messaging protocol instead of using Andriods messaging protocol makes them "monopolistic". Basically, you have to create software to place nice with all of your competition, or your breaking the law according to the DOJ. It's pretty wild. I know what I was getting into when I bought apple products.

[@cane870]

@@heyaisdabombapple does a lot of sleazy stuff. I would rather see the DOJ go after their anti repair practices. That is actually illegal.

[@rodrigo445678]

There is no monopoly but Biden needs votes.

[@rodrigo445678]

@@cane870 Yeah, but monopoly is a far cry. No tech company is a real monopoly, they are all subject to disruption, specially in the age of AI.

[@TheObserver__]

"android's messaging protocol", you don't know what you are talking about.

[@joelkelsey7788]

Now do this with food companies🤷🏼‍♂️

[@bjkjoseph]

It doesn’t matter, if they are found guilty it’s a slap on the wrist and they will eventually have a workaround. It’s all theater to make it look like they’re doing something… probably a small fine and they will not admit any guilt

[@heskinammoduo5799]

Good I don't want my stocks to go down 😊

[@marcus.H]

Did Microsoft do that?

[@bjkjoseph]

@@marcus.H slap on the wrist

[@TurdFergusen]

imagine the guilty trying to call out others

[@bjkjoseph]

@@heskinammoduo5799 that’s the whole idea

[@Max86421]

If Apple wins the monopoly case, then other companies will follow Apple and that's not good for the consumers 💯

[@ToTheDoom]

If others will follow apple their already small iser base will leave for apple😂😂😂😂

[@MrCaiobrz]

@@ToTheDoom Worldwide, Samsung has a bigger user base than apple, what are you talking about Murican?

[@GrinerB]

This case exist purely because other companies have failed at being equally successful. This is nothing but the results of billionaires outside of Apple getting their money’s worth in political lobbying to sue and legislate apples earned product advantages over it’s competitors. This has been in the works the day Apple released the iOS version that allowed users to opt out of Zuckerberg and others wholesale and covert extremely data harvesting of users completely outside of the Facebook app.

[@grahamfloyd3451]

Max can you provide an illustrative example?

[@ToTheDoom]

@@MrCaiobrz Hey genius, read the terms of the case against apple, its only in regards of “performance” segment aka flagships. Not 200-300$ backup phones but full fledged 1000$ + phones. In that segment apple is the market leader by far. Also when the video you are commenting upon focuses on American user base, whats the point in flexing worldwide user base for no reason?😂😂😂 Also since we are on the topic , how much revenue does Samsung’s “ great worldwide user base” generate compared ro apple? They both have 1200-1500$ flagships right? So if apple has more revenue, does it mean apple user base in premium segment must be larger? And why would it be larger?🤔 Is it because apple has better phones overall? Logo has higher social status? Apple silicon is the most powerful in the industry? Longer software support, better resale value? Hmm, so many questions 🤔

[@Napert]

"illegal monopoly" implies the existence of a "legal monopoly"

[@Busaio]

but there are legal monopolies. They're just run by the government.

[@MrCaiobrz]

Every government services are legal monopoly, you know, water, electricity, sewers,...

[@TrevorBrass]

Utilities are a common form of legal monopoly.

[@Impextoo]

There’s a private health system called Ballad Health that is a legal monopoly. Its monopoly marketplace in eastern Tennessee, western Virginia, and southwest Kentucky is greater than the size of New Jersey.

[@drewmqn]

Yep. The USPS is a legal monopoly (only they can deliver to mailboxes), utilities.

[@Mrussell1980]

For those who don’t understand what a monopoly is, A monopoly is when you have 3 properties and then you can buy houses for them…you’re welcome

[@duran9664]

🚩Trump: I’m no puppet. 🚩Cook: There’s no monopoly here. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@FighterFlash]

Russia agrees with you

[@_NCO]

Biden: I'm fit for office! *continues to fall, stumble, forget and fail to form a understandable sentence, walks away confused not knowing what is going on in the world* Olaf Scholz: I'M NO WARMONGER!!!! *continues to send Ammo, Rockets and Tanks to Ukraine*

[@ferramirez4570]

I'm not an Apple Fanboy and haven't owned an Apple device in years (I used to love my iPod a couple of years ago though). But I don't believe what they are doing is bad. At their peak they innovated and now have all the right to do what they're doing, They were smart. enough.

[@null-dev]

Apple's innovations have nothing to do with the issues the DOJ are bringing up. Apple can continue to innovate and deliver great products without needing to artificially enforce a monopoly.

[@SparkPrincess]

Innovation isn't the problem. It's the anti Competition

[@eric-rounds]

Amazon. Microsoft. Walmart. Meta. Google. AT&T (again). Keep going DOJ… let’s get back to realistic business sizes.

[@h.mandelene3279]

"We have no monopoly" but no matter what program you buy, you have to buy it at our store.... See??? No monopoly!!!! From the devoloper side: So I have to buy a mac, and mac programming software to write apps for apple products??? Yeah!!! What monopoly?????

[@axa3687]

Can you buy an Android? Android is 70% of global market. Can you use Windows? Again 70% market. Are you incapable of just "not buy an iPhone"?

[@lucassilvas1]

@@axa3687 Apple has a monopoly in the US, that's all that matters here

[@oumourihadadi7609]

⁠​⁠@@axa3687 still Android it’s thousands brands. Isn’t odd for you that China has many competitive smartphones brands but in US only Apple. That’s AT&T before or Standard oil. A country as US which prides itself on its capitalism in a significant market as smartphones it has one brand, other way a communist as China is has dozens. Apple can push prices high to the sky coz it’s alone in the market.

[@axa3687]

@@lucassilvas1 Listen to me..."Just buy an Android".

[@lucassilvas1]

@@axa3687 "And talk to no one because everyone in the country has an iPhone and iMessage might as well be exclusive to iPhones"

[@wowcnmovie]

The US is making a huge mistake restricting Huawei be sold in the US in the name of national security. Look at Apple how it’s priced in China, you know they have no monopoly capacity there. But here in the US., you kind of want to ask the question like who allowed it to be like this in the first place?

[@axa3687]

Someone tell the DOJ these 4 words: "Just Buy an Android".

[@ChanningChea]

It’s amazing how people are seriously pretending like this isn’t an option.

[@happy_thinking]

The iPhone isn't a monopoly, but the App Store is, this is true for the Play Store as well. In Apple's case, you cannot even develop an iOS app without Apple hardware.

[@ChanningChea]

@@happy_thinking I don’t agree about the App Store, but I don’t think the courts do either. Wasn’t this the main issue with Epics lawsuit, which they lost?

[@MrCaiobrz]

If you are an Apple user, it is never about buying an Android. You can't really get your iCloud data that easy, you will need to download all your iTunes content too, some apps even when they are available on Android will require a new login and basically new start, you will need to buy back many of your apps of choice, if you own other Apple devices, you will likelly have to replace them withy other free options because Apple products don't work great with non-Apple products (or at all), so yeah you can "just buy an Android" but you would literally need to start over your digital life, not to mention several other hardware units. All that difficulty is purposedly imposed by Apple, and that makes it a clear monopoly.

[@happy_thinking]

@@ChanningChea I think so. Apple like Amazon uses its power to destroy the competition. In several cases, if Amazon couldn't buy a company they introduced knock-off brands that don't play by the same rules. The same is true for Apple. One example is Apple Pay where the same rules weren't applied for them and their competitors. So you are free to disagree, but you would be wrong. P.S. This is true for Google as well. I don't remember the details on this one, but a similar situation where Google was threatening companies to include Google apps like Gmail and other stuff. P.S. Personally I am against regulation, but I can see the reasoning.

[@angliccivilization1346]

If Apple is a monopoly, than Google is far worse.

[@bagus853]

Next

[@jolness1]

I’d say yes on both.

[@halleyoey9535]

cant have monopoly if its free

[@HaimRich94]

At least Google allows you to move outside of its ecosystem... Apple on the other hand doesn't, that's the difference. But yeah at the end of the day both are monopolies, it's just that Apple abuses more of its position

[@SuhbanIo]

yes

[@frankwangofficial]

imagine being so good at something that congress want to shut you down.

[@brockjohnson100]

Politicians are the lowest quality “professionals” out there

[@YasinHasan]

what r they good at? every of their tech is knock off from other companies

[@frankwangofficial]

@@YasinHasan making cohesive and smooth functioning ecosystem for one. Their devices have unparalleled polish.

[@YasinHasan]

@@frankwangofficial "unparalleled" 🤣i have better ecosystem between windows & android 😂

[@frankwangofficial]

@@YasinHasan ok bud

[@johndavidgorman7482]

"This lawsuit could cost Apple millions of dollars" I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that there almost $400 billion in revenue can with stand this massive cost :(

[@ruspj]

there is no dennying that apple has a manopoly on :- repairing apple devices. - only autheriesed repairers can obtain parts and to be autheriesed you have to agree to replace expensive sections of devices rather small repairs like a single faulty cable/chip making repairs uneconomical. people able to carry out these repairs like this have no access to parts unless they agree not to carry out these repairs. iphone app distribution - dictates what apps can/cant be released to users - cannot even change the deffault apps like maps, browser, etc from apples dictated choice

[@heyaisdabomb]

The repair-ability, most smart phones are becoming like this, including Samsung who serializes their parts now so you can't replacement. For app distribution, it's literally about security. Today, it is impossible to click on a website, and have a virus installed because their is not path in the code of the operating system in which an app can be installed that is not going through the app store. Once apple creates the code to allow apps to be installed outside of the app store, hackers will find a way to exploit it so they can push malware and viruses onto your phone. It's frustrating hearing these pundits who don't have computer science degrees explaining how it would be "safer" to open the ecosystem. I know what I'm getting into, I'm not trapped, from a computer science stand point, the reason Apple is successful is because the software is simply better. This isn't a "I prefer it better", I mean literally, run time efficiencies, and file structure, and compression algorithms, it's all better. And they can do this BECAUSE of the closed ecosystem.

[@ruspj]

@@heyaisdabomb apple having a closed ecosystem is no different to how microsoft tied internet explorer to windows. customers should have the choice of using the closed ecosystem of apples app store andthe option of taking the security risks associated to alternitave app stores where apple has no say or any cut of payments. like with android you can use their ecosystem but have the option to disable play protect if you want to take the risk of installing something from outside of the ecosystem. and yes other manufacturers might be screwing customers with serialised parts aswell. this doesnt suddenly make it ok. it should be banned and apple are that company that lead the way with serialising parts to the extremes.

[@FabTBC]

A well explained breakdown of the Sherman Act!

[@MrGoalie2012]

There is no monopoly as long as there's at least ONE competitor. Ppl are free to choose what products they purchase and what brands they surround themselves with. Why should a company be punished for ensuring that their products under the umbrella of the same brand work smoothly and seamlessly with other products from the same brand? Thats just smart business

[@rodrigo445678]

Biden is desperate for progressive votes but this will go nowhere.

[@mk_vqz4086]

How dare a company make a popular product

[@ytpremium6294]

just ask a KZbin reviewer. apple is monopolizing its product. I have switched to iOS, Android, and Windows PC. boy it surely is hard to communicate with everyone if you are on Android especially if Apple doesn't allow you to send to Facetime or even use Airdrop to my laptop

[@kidcal]

Why would it? It’s a different operating system from a different company using totally different hardware, and software. Does that make it anti competitive?

[@noizz4]

apple "doesn't allow" it sounds like you can inherently do that if apple doesn't deliberately stop you, but the truth is these features do not just fall from the sky, it takes many resources to develop these features, apple just doesn't think it's worth the effort

[@mycathasawhitetoe]

You have choices. Get another phone. Use another app you probably already have like ig you can use to video chat. Use your cloud to transfer files. Ppl use apple because they don’t want to think for themselves. They just want it to work

[@nottera]

@@noizz4it’s just WiFi/bluetooth with a new name… I would be surprised if it costs 100k in r&d

[@RealShaktimaan]

As a life long Android user, you don't have to use airdrop, FaceTime or SMS. Google meet/duo, Whatsapp, FB messenger. Android quick share for airdrop replacement. There are plenty of options.

[@RatTerminator]

What about Amazon,Google,Facebook??

[@charlesjay8818]

The title of the video is "Antitrust Lawyer Breaks Down DOJ’s Apple Lawsuit" So why would they mention Amazon/Google/Facebook??? If i'm making a video on Burger king, why would i include McDonalds??? duh!

[@grzesiek9514]

I hope they fix ram and disk upgrade prices. Back when you could add ram to the imac I could tolerate those prices, but now there is no way to upgrade machine later. Everything is soldered…

[@ThickBanana]

Apple's really guilty of making superior products.

[@williamlee7782]

Apple was warned from the same agency that if they encrypted iCloud, it would not be good. Apple encrypted iCloud. I wonder if there's a correlation.

[@martins.2502]

You're suggesting the DOJ is retaliating against Apple because it refused to create a backdoor in its products. Something that not even Apple has suggested. Please provide proof to support your accusation

[@AdamBuckingham-ef6sx]

Hey! You can’t sue Apple they do what’s right

[@psychkick666]

There is Samsung, Xiaomi, Huaiwei, Sony, Google.

[@evilleader1991]

That doesn't make sense, all the other companies you mentioned use Android as their software.

[@psychkick666]

@@evilleader1991 apple ios is worse than android. 2023 top brand of Mobile phone is samsung and it uses Android

[@MrTrak08]

I don't know how this is even a discussion, would you say IKEA has a monopoly on chair making if 70% of the population bought chairs from them?

[@daexion]

It's a monopoly in the sense Apple forces everyone to pay them a cut of app profits even if they use a different payment processor, and force everyone to use their parts and essentially ban third party parts for repairing customer owned Apple devices. IKEA just sells furniture that goes in a house. Apple sells the house and charges IKEA a percentage (27%) of the price of the furniture regardless of how IKEA was paid. Apple is like the mob boss charging ppl protection money.

[@Fatima-e2j1t]

It's the ecosystem of apple that is the problem. They must make it seamless so that consumers can use their products together with others

[@SparkPrincess]

Monopoly isn't illegal here. The way they obtain it by anti completive strategies is the issue. The ecosystem, repair, etc. It keeps everyone out and customers in. That's anti competition

[@MrTrak08]

@@SparkPrincess Right to repair is another issue and not the one discussed here. If you watched the video, you would have seen that they are trying to prove that apple has the sole possession or control of the supply of smartphone/performance smartphone, you tell me, do they ?

[@rodrigo445678]

It's obviously not a monopoly, the have a very dominant position, but you can use Android or any of the others.

[@DralhaEureka]

"Monopolizes or attempts to monopolize" is the wording of the Sherman Act. Apple engages in numerous anti-competetive practices that stifle consumer choices. The fact that you can still use an alternative is not enough to say they are not a monopoly. Personally, Apple's anti-competitive practices and abusive tactics towards customers (frequently changing charging ports, breaking old phones with updates, violating right-to-repair, getting trapped in the ecosystem, etc.) are why I have refused to ever buy their products and have been critical of them for decades. Google and Windows also engage in anti-comeptirive practics and should also be prosecuted, but Apple is by far a more egregious offender.

[@martinpalm5]

@@DralhaEureka Also Apple retaliated against the App makers like Epic games, after the EU ruled again them. I never seen a company openly that anti consumer.

[@syedmakbul8414]

Clicked on the video just to see the fan boys cry in the comments 😂

[@fumblerooskie]

The DOJ will lose this case.

[@TreDogOfficial]

They punish success in the US. Sometimes a large, consolidated firm is required to overcome certain logistical hurdles. Walmart isn't a monopoly, it just has a more sophisticated network. TSMC isn't a monopoly either, rather it's just difficult to scale up a semiconductor factory without a great investment of time & money. But it can be done. It shouldn't be as easy as setting up a lemonade stand. People act like these companies are impossible to compete with until the end of time. But where you see a monopoly, I see a market incentive.

[@seth1509]

lol Boeing over here literally buying any company that competes with it. Including Embraer

[@ani2595]

If they're able to breakup this monopoly, I'd love for them to force back touch id and the headphone jack similar to how the EU finally got them to switch over to USB-C and also make their APIs more available to third parties can develop more sophisticated gadgets similar to the Apple Watch

[@ToTheDoom]

API will come under trade secrets, no one can compel them to open it. Even if they do how will it help in creating a apple watch like device? APIs may help in creating apps , hardware is a completely different story. Also their APIs will be of no value of you are going to use android OS and apple cannot be compelled to open their proprietary OS for free use. And no one is going to pay apple a licensing fee when they can get android source code for free. Already , wearables have very small margin of profit(except for apple😂), nobody can or will use anything but free software for a smart watch. Also they cannot force touch ID since it was a proprietary tech which they deemed as outdated. Face id is just as secure as touch ID and reliable. EU forced them to use usb c because it was unfair to apple customers that they had to depend on apple for accessories or mfi devices which pay licensing fee to apple. Hence they compelled them to switch to a usb C as that is the universal standard and is much faster than lightning ports and also decreases dependency on apple while increasing choices for customers. 3.5 mm jack is now universally gone. I have not seen a “flagship” in last 2-3 years with it. Only some obscure sony xperia ones have it and maybe some chinese mid rangers. It is in now way increasing peoples dependence on apple. People are free to choose any number of bluetooth headphones available on the market including airpods. Law cannot be used to bring back our favorite outdated tech😂, otherwise I’ll start asking for a Disk drive in a mac 😂😂…. Although on topic of mac, it came be argued that people should be able to upgrade their macs by using universally available SSDs and Rams. That right there is a monopolistic practice.

[@heyaisdabomb]

@@ToTheDoom I think the biggest crime apple commits is charging $400 for $10 worth of ram because it's soldered to the motherboard. But you understand that they would have to make bigger laptops or sacrifice somewhere to create that space. The NAND chips they use today are much smaller than an NVME SSD. Could they do it? Sure. That and serializing parts are what the DOJ should be going after, not them refusing to write software so the apple watch works with android phones, or apple choosing what apps get through the app store.

[@rodrigo445678]

So you want the state to intervene a private company? Lol you are delusional.

[@FightTalkMMA]

I'd love another one of these videos but on the UFC.

[@freedonuts5600]

That’s like saying stores at Disneyland is an illegal monopoly

[@thomasshakelton]

"We have no monopoly there is no monopoly here" will become a meme

[@MrCaiobrz]

We are not a monopoly, we bought the definition of monopoly in every language and clearly removed all mentions about Apple, you can check!

[@AndreaDoesYoga]

Interesting insights, I never knew Apple was under scrutiny 🍎.

[@rodrigo445678]

They aren't. They are not a monopoly in any way.

[@g0203]

And the fact that you just cannot use old devices anymore while they should be fine to use with the old software

[@skywalkerjediknight2024]

This was funny when a woman picking up the two iPhones in her hand to see which one is better and they both look the same 🎉🎉

[@mack-uv6gn]

I’m 50/50 on this case. The oxygen sensor case does make Apple look anticompetitive but it only has a strong market share in the states when it comes to smart phones.

[@kyleh6984]

If Apple is a monopoly, then what is a market winner? Every competition has the possibility of one winner. So this all seems very subjective to me.

[@udaykadam5455]

You clearly haven't looked into it thoroughly enough. Some of the comments here have explained it roughly

[@kyleh6984]

@@udaykadam5455 And I still find it subjective nonsense. It seems to me that the meaning of the term ‘monopoly’ changes with each administration. It’s gone from being Companies so large and powerful that it’s impossible for new entrants to enter the market. To ‘monopolistic behavior’. But the truth is the only REAL monopolies that ever existed had some sort of special Government supported privileges in the form of Exclusive Government Contracts, Subsidies or Laws and Regulations that favor some market competitors over others.

[@justahugenerd1278]

My take on it is that they're not a monopoly (because I agree the arguments for it being called that word have been pretty bad). However they're very clearly engaging in seriously anti consumer and anti competitive behaviors, which should be curtailed

[@kyleh6984]

Before Apple launched its App Store, there was only a few hundred Smartphone apps worldwide. Now there are over 2 million. So just how is Apple blocking out developers?

[@growtocycle6992]

By not allowing several features and gimping competition apps... Lack of compatibility (eg. Smart watches)

[@anb4351]

Apple uses it's dominance in smartphone market, to hurt businesses in App development, Mobile Payment, Mobile accessories, Web development and more which are different domains. Dominating a market is not illegal, using that dominance as a leverage to influence, affect and gain dominance in other adjacent markets is illegal

[@kyleh6984]

@@growtocycle6992 Smartwatches have been on the market as far back as 1982. There were several wearOS Smartwatches before Apple Watch too. They didn’t fail because Apple ‘gimped’ apps. They failed because essentially Apple got watchOS right and Google took too long to copy what Apple did. If Android users don’t have a good experience, then they should be blaming Google, not Apple.

[@kyleh6984]

@@growtocycle6992 It’s proprietary hardware. They aren’t under any obligation to operate the Apple Watch like open source non-profit.

[@kyleh6984]

It seems to me that the meaning of term ‘monopoly’ changes with each administration. It’s gone from being Companies so large and powerful that it’s impossible for new entrants to enter the market. To ‘monopolistic behavior’. But the truth is the only REAL monopolies that ever existed had some kinds of special Government supported privileges in the form of Exclusive Government Contracts, Subsidies or Laws that favor some market competition over others.

[@cassiechiedu]

I’m team apple. I don’t see the need to do all of this. There is no monopoly. Everyone can get whatever phone and gadgets they want they want. I will say though that my mother was an avid galaxy user and we switched her to iPhone to FaceTime with us (tho she could have used WhatsApp). When we did, her galaxy watch would not sync with the phone forcing her to buy an Apple Watch. It’s not a monopoly, but a good business model. Their products integrate seamlessly and there is more ease of use when all products are Apple

[@null-dev]

The galaxy watch didn't sync with her phone because Apple doesn't allow it to! This is Apple using their leverage in one market (phones) to force consumers to purchase their products in another market (smart watches). The seamless integration you have with Apple only feels good because Apple doesn't allow products from other companies to seamlessly integrate with their products.

[@cassiechiedu]

@@null-dev no I completely understood that. That’s why I’m saying though a minor inconvenience, it only made sense to switch and it’s a good business model. It forced me to buy another Apple product. That’s like playing an Xbox game on a PS5. The expectation that it works is delusional lol

[@null-dev]

​@@cassiechiedu The expectation is not that it will work. The expectation is that the company doesn't go out of their way to actively block it. Most people would consider having to buy a new $500 watch more than a "minor inconvenience". The situation with game consoles is BS too. One guy modded his own Xbox and was thrown in jail for 2 years. Meanwhile you can literally murder someone and get zero jail time, only 2 years probation. The justice system is completely broken.

[@cane870]

@@cassiechiedua $600 watch is a minor inconvenience???

[@rodrigo445678]

@@null-dev So? No one has a right to connect to you hardware. Lol. The argument is pathetic.

[@chrisklugh]

Everyone loves the growth of a company till its a Monopoly. Irony.

[@NjanVishnu]

Tim Cook: We need to decrease our market share. The easiest way to achieve this is to increase prices for all products.

[@stizanley3987]

I bought my 1st iPhone this year. In four years I am buying an Android. Don't think Apple has a monopoly.

[@texasgermancowgirl]

I 100% agree that Apple is a monopoly and I’m pro free market. They make it completely impossible to compete and to even integrate with them without a hefty hefty fee

[@BarzinAir]

Switching ecosystems is actually not hard at all. I have done it so many times.

[@LTEAndroid]

It's not physically or mentally hard. But could be costly if you have the watch, laptop, tablet, and other fruit phone accessories. At that point you are "Locked in"

[@slicknmean]

Maybe not for you, but for most people, that's not the case, it seems. (Based on observation). The argument is that apple employs behind the scenes tactics and practices to make it harder for people to want to switch which is a violation

[@HaimRich94]

Ask a developer to move outside of the Apple ecosystem, it's impossible because Apple is the only monopoly that doesn't allow you to develop for the ecosystem without being on its own OS

[@BarzinAir]

@@HaimRich94 This is not illegal and not incorrect. It‘s not even a part of the lawsuit. Apple has the right to control their products, in the same way Marriott controls their hotel rooms, and Toyota their cars. Your one snd only right as a consumer, willingly purchasing apple products is NOT TO, if you‘re not interested in their policy and pricing (as 80% of consumers worldwide do). There are plenty of other options out there. As an Apple consumer, I chose them for what they are. Otherwise, I would have purchased other brands.

[@BarzinAir]

@@LTEAndroid That‘s true for any product, of any category by any company. It‘s ridiculous to demand that phone accessories work cross-platform or cross-company. This would commoditize the industry and eliminate the choice for consumers since all brands would be the same.

[@ticoloco2933]

Microsoft is more a Monopoly than Apple.

[@weclock]

You really had to tuck that "if the DOJ is right, then it's a real win for consumers" at the very end huh.

[@ajsoltani]

If the DOJ is able to prove that 70% market share is an effective monopoly, that’s going to have a major effect on multiple industries. It’ll make it easier for them to prosecute future anti-trust cases against major corporations.

[@JacobMeye]

I feel like United Health is the worst Monopoly...

[@stevenmolina6958]

I bought an iPhone because I wanted an iPhone if I wanted an android I would have buy one! Apple is not a Monopoly!!! Let’s donate to Apple so they can win this case! Do NOT Android my IPhone!

[@meriliu8688]

When Apple is in love with China Factory and server capacity, DOJ punish it!🤣🤣

[@hummersd]

Such bs. As mentioned, being big and successful isn't illegal. Just because it's popular at 65% of the US smartphone market doesn't mean it monopolized the market -- given the high prices of iDevices, competitors can win on price alone. Your data is much more secure on iPhone than other brands. They own the iOS software, but you're more than welcome to use a different set of apps if you'd like. Apple changes based on the law (ex. EU mandating USB-C, the current go-to plug, as well as App Store rules) so no doubt if the US government changes law, then Apple will comply. Pretty sure they have a highly-paid legal team, so they'll know how to obey the law, otherwise they'd be out of business.

[@TexMexPfanne]

3:30 1. You can use apps not from the app store but maybe they are Not Safe. But you can do it 2. You can use other cloud streaming apps, you just need to download them and put your files in 3. Just use WhatsApp or Telegramm or Instagram or any app, maybe SMS 4. There are other smart watches which can be used with the iphone. But they are often not so good. You cant use the apple watch with android but you also cant use a google watch with the iphone 5. There are numerious other payment options like paypal or apps from your bank. But this is the one point where the alternatives are really not as good. So a valid point

[@WillJBailey]

Going after Apple, which clearly is not a global monopoly, when they should have gone after Meta, which definitely is.

[@adrukker]

It’s amazing to me that no one “knows” what monopoly means even though it’s right in the name: mono = one. This case is ridiculous because there are clearly more than one smartphone producer in the US.

[@paddydoran1234]

The DOJ are being very foolish here. There are many other Smartphones competing against Apple. Just because it has become the popular or defacto phone in the US doesn't mean its a monopoly.

[@agusbrand]

Agree 100% that's why I never used apple in my life

[@ayanacurtis1478]

There are so many things in this country I care more about than Apple and TikTok and it annoys me that these are the priorities. How about health care, medication pricing, affordable education and child care… idk… important stuff that affects our day to day.

[@barrywood4375]

Good luck DOJ - your case is pretty weak

[@flymavic403]

They’re saying that because 70% of people use iPhones in US they have a monopoly🤔Just is the better product, not the only one, therefore not a monopoly

[@marekbrusy]

No

[@hugsdibude8710]

In short, yes. I wrote my thesis on ecosystems and quite obviously Apple was one of the leading examples. Apple has evolved into an infrastructure provider (everybody needs phones just as roads, electricity lines etc.) and consumers benefit from network effects in infrastructure settings (e.g., compatibility). For these reasons competition is not beneficial and its a winner takes it all situation (maybe there is space for a second solution but thats it). In the past, infrastructure was built by governments and provided to everyone, without profits in mind. However, Apple can charge whatever they want for their infrastructure accessibility. Similar monopolies are with Google, Facebook, Microsoft...

[@BoRerunn]

I own an iphone and my Android phone is my backup phone

[@michellenarkis]

One of the facts I’ve choose Apple over any Google phone is how they handle the third party software on their phones. That level of security can’t be achieved otherwise, I’m afraid. And of course, they are actually well made. Now in terms of pricing, yeah Apple take a bit too much the goblin side.

[@mitchellscheer677]

You're paying a higher price for the perceived benefits you just mentioned, one of the key principles of product specialization and price discrimination (both of which benefit consumers). The markup Apple sets on its product is still within your willingness to pay based upon the benefits you perceive from said product. It seems the DOJ wants to force Apple to be like every other major tech company, which absolutely harms consumers who are seeking that perceived superiority in privacy and security and are willing to pay for such.

[@luchi.el.zorrito]

Why do people use Apple products anyways? They're overpriced and opensource free versions of their software are almost always better. Not to mention, Windows is better overall.

[@Thefather-oj5eo]

I raise you a Linux

[@mariojrog9465]

You cannot

[@Themooman29]

Now apply this logic to smart cars and the medical field… and you might start to realize that being big doesn’t mean you’re a monopoly

[@Mr_Sandman-s3q]

It’s not a monopoly when companies are great at marketing and have great products. The government is full of BS and doesn’t know what they’re talking about

[@louistech112]

Then buy android. The entire world uses android Apple isn’t bad . If they don’t want to have other phones use iOS then that’s fine.

[@777tman]

It’s about time

[@schuste6]

monopoly on what? apple products? complete nonsense

[@aghilannathan8169]

If Apple a monopoly, then isn’t NVIDIA?

[@nathanlindley5354]

Oh, and Samsung is not a US company. So why would they want to suggest more people should be going that direction

[@mctywellmlotha3908]

WSJ 🔥

[@loopba]

Tim Cook should spend the rest of his life in prison

[@ArchThaBoss]

I’m as against monopolies as can be. I disagree with a lot of things Apple does and it could stand to change some things. But Apple isn’t a monopoly in the sense that there’s no competition. There’s plenty of competition, people in the USA just prefer iPhones over other phones. The seamless vertical integration is one of the reasons. Apple is far behind their competition is almost all aspects. But when they reveal a product or a feature that’s been on the market for years as new people just buy into it. You can’t disband a company because it’s more popular than its competition. Change to rcs messaging, allow other app stores, make self repair more accessible and some other things I can’t think of but don’t break the company up for simply being more successful than their competitors

[@YasinHasan]

apple was always a monopoly, i blame MS for saving them from bankruptcy & google for supporting ios

[@IYT786]

Same as google and amazon

[@nathanhart19191]

Apple is a public company, but it’s still a private company. They can do what they want.

[@tonibest7965]

same like Microsoft ?

[@AngelPl4y3r]

Imagine being so successful in designing products and accessories that you literally exclude more than half of all mobile devices in the process (android phones) as possible customers and yet are accused of having a monopoly. Apple is suffering from their own success.

[@erwinruff01]

do we get alternate app stores for xbox, playstation and Nintendo Switch too? Like Microsoft has a Monopoly of 100% on Xbox

[@jTylerr]

why is no one talking about freedom of repair and how Apple has done things to stop ways for third parties to repair?

[@Needglory23]

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