WTF is The Luna Class?

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[@ManicPandaz]

That was a top notch Grand Negas impression!

[@114Riggs]

Grand What Now?

[@skyscream]

Grand Nagus Zek, of the Ferengi. Damn near perfect rendition of David Livingston.

[@witchdoctor1394]

Grand Negus Zek was played by Wallace Shawn.

[@skyscream]

@@witchdoctor1394 You are correct. David Livingston created the character.

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How were the voices basically perfect?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@cb7876 thank my voice actor ;)

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[@Mrpurple75]

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[@Relav1364]

When I think of Luna, I'm reminded of Teddy Roosevelt: "Walk Softly, and carry a big stick." She really is the embodiment of post war Starfleet. Not out to start fights, we wanna be friends and discover. But if we gotta fight, you will regret every second of what's left of your life... Also... Everyone asks what is Luna. But no ever asks how is Luna? Don't bully her! She just does her best! Bang on as usual. Best KZbinr on the webs.

[@shanenolan5625]

I remember the uss iowa ( class ) was known as the big stick. . ( in reference to Roosevelt)

[@Sephiroth144]

Or in the modern parlance, "F*** around and find out."

[@PhilippBrandAkatosh]

The Emperor protects, but having a loaded bolter never hurt either oh sry wrong universe :D

[@thomasjenkins5727]

This is why I love the Galaxy Class. It's a massive flying museum showcasing the peaceful merits of the Federation, and while it might seem to big to be agile enough for combat, well, f around and find out.

[@LackofFaithify]

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[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Luna is a more versatile Akira, and trimmed down Nebula. Starfleet intended it as the heavy-medium long-range explorer jack of all trades. A refreshment for the Nebula, and probably easier to build. The Nebula is actually quite big and personnel intensive for most of the mission sets it has.

[@charlescassels3826]

Came here to say pretty much this. Take an Akira, trim out the massive hanger, stretch it out, and add some sensors and larger living areas. Now you’ve got an Akira with endurance and science capabilities. She’s not meant to be part of a fleet action, she’s meant to range deep into unexplored space and defend itself if need be. Starfleet doesn’t only fight wars, and they don’t think of war fighting capabilities of ships, for better or worse. In this case I think the analysis is more in the style of a 2370’s Star Fleet Battles universe rather than the canon Star Trek universe.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@charlescassels3826 Well said!

[@ArbitraryConstant]

also think there's a big push to modernize in general. the average age of starfleet ships is a significant liability when dealing with peer adversaries. starfleet has ships that can sustain warp 9.9+ but a fleet can never move faster than a miranda, really limits how they can maneuver. half a dozen sovereigns don't really move the needle on fleet makeup, they need all the roles to be modernized.

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[@danielseelye6005]

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[@KashouWannabe]

Whoever voiced Zek in the advert is superb.

[@CoronisAdair]

Way to embrace your inner Ferengi. Though I always thought it would take a fairly desperate Ferengi to accept a Raid sponsorship! XD

[@Katthewm]

I always thought of it as a cheaper Sovereign. It's medium sized so it can take some more hits than the Saber and allow for Sovereign class ships to be the flagships.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah that too. Free's up the sovereign for flagship duties.

[@nick5661]

Came here to say that, it definitely feels like it’s a mini sovereign in fact it could be the what the nebula is to the galaxy.

[@Katthewm]

@@nick5661 The whole nebula thing is actually pretty good point. Both are smaller versions with modular mission pods. The Titan could just be the heavily armed one whilst others could be electronic warfare like what he talks about in the video.

[@shanenolan5625]

In the Titan book ( taking wing ) it said the Titan torpedo load was exclusively quantum torpedos. And in later books she was regularly refit was state of the art technology. Plus she had the same regenerative Shield system ss the sovereign refit.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Sounds reasonable. But it depends how rare you think quantum torpedoes are.

[@hokutoulrik7345]

The way Enterprise E, Defiant, and Voyager throw them around, they are probably pretty plentiful.

[@shanenolan5625]

@Hokuto Ulrik well voyager used regular torpedoes. . The e . Fired 16 in the movies ( yes I'm a nerd I counted) 😆 . Defiant used them a lot , but she was the first ship to carry them. I remember in the last episode of ds9 . ( the battle of cardassia ) after the battle but before they reached cardassia Prime. Worf said Defiant had fired 60 percent of her torpedo magazine. . . It seems like many ships can build their own torpedoes, ( enterprise, voyager) using engine fuel . But quantum torpedoes are different , only manufactured at key shipyards. ( black hole technology) .

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Ferengi approved add placement!

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[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Romulan Style ;)

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[@NoobNoobNews]

I think that the Luna might have been the final stage of Anti Borg Fleet ship. Everything else was simply ships designed to fill roles as quickly as possible. Ships that are tough because they need to be, fast because they have to be, and with bog phasers because they need them. The Luna looks like a late war design optimized and standardized. It may have been commissioned by the tens of thousands... and then the war ended. it is like the battleships and destroyers and cruisers that were designed at the end of World War 2, were set to be manufactured by the hundreds, and then... were not. many stopped construction halfway and were never completed. Or perhaps the F-22 from the Cold War of Star Trek's Borg war. the F-22 was designed to fight the Soviet Union and be the best of the best while outnumbered in nuclear hellfire... but that war is not a thing, and the Soviet Union is gone. Now we have the F-35, which takes the cutting edge F-22 tech and just... makes it relevant to modern war against modern enemies. So, the Luna could be the F-35 multi-role fighter. It is a ship built from the technology and principles of the previous war, but in a single package to do everything well. The Sovereign is the F-22 air-superiority fighter. So, A single sovereign with a support wing of 3 or 4 Lunas could destroy a cube solo because that is what they are designed to do, but now there are no more borg cubes to solo.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

So basically with the Luna class USS Titan, Riker is quite the "Peeping Tom". Though yeah, the Luna class being as a mid-range Reconnaissance/EW sci-ship that can pack a punch does fit into a niche. It was nice to see this ship canonized back in LDs. Also, rather comedic with using the Ferengi to represent your sponsorship scene.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah Rikers the perfect choice to command a ship like that.

[@ditzyneko637]

I believe sensor jamming would also be one of its important roles. This would effectively blind enemy vessels and disrupt their ability to lock weapons or even determine what is even happening.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah it depends how targeted you want it. Isolate an individual ship. Surround yourself with interference. Or even counter ECM.

[@ditzyneko637]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yea the ability to attack and defend with ECM . I was thinking on the "taken job" part of the video, and you could say that it took the New Orleans role within the fleet. do you think?

[@jameshead9119]

@@venomgeekmedia9886. Just wondering if they could also disrupt individual borg drones inside a cube if not spoofing the cubes auto-repair unites during a fight

[@PaiSAMSEN]

I got the impression that this ship is merely meant as a Sovereign-era Miranda-class-equivalent. The sheer amount of firepower is merely that, after two devastating war back-to-back, Starfleet was done fucking around and proceed to just dump as much firepower into a starship as remaining available space allowed.

[@tacsquirrel]

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[@DarinRWagner]

Not a bad voice for the Nagus there.

[@Raketenmaulwurf]

I'd like to give a different approach to discuss: When Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant and Starfleet got it's hands on the logs and reports from the crew they noticed that a ship like the Nova Class USS Equinox is not quite suited for these long range exploration missions, while the bigger Intrepid Class USS Voyager could perform pretty well although she fell in WAY to many traps set up by other alien races... and Seska... So they learned from these lessons and designed a new long range exploration cruiser with a tiny bit more firepower but a way more powerfull sensor equipment. I mean "sending" a Nebula Class into the Delta Quadrant would have been far to expensive for Starfleet although it would have been a pretty tough statement in terms of kicking some a**. On the other hand without a supply base to swap the mission pods, that Nebula would have only one configuration to go with. So let's sum this up and we see that the Luna class is actually a merge of the mission profiles of the Intrepid and Nebula classes. That newly designed pod, that combines the Nebulas AWACS and weapons pods capabilities deals with some of the issues of the Intrepid class, mainly it's sensor arrays where designed to scan anomalies but lack the surveillance aspects. On the other hand the Luna is less expensive to operate and needs fewer personell to get the job done compared to the Nebula. I don't actually think the Luna class was designed as kind of a Science Destroyer.. it was more like an evolution of the Intrepid, added the capabilities of a Nebula to make her a little tougher. I just does not make really sense to see the Luna as a competitor to ships like the Akira or Vesta. The Akira is sent to places as a show of force.. I mean nothing tells people to not anger the Federation as good as hundreds of Torpedoes just waiting to be fired in every possible direction (some pictures of the Akira modell even show side facing torpedo launchers.. pure badass) And when that is STILL not enough... Just send the Prometheus and leave no survivors... If you need "aggresive scouting" and spotting enemy fleet movements... nothing can beat the Vesta and her Slipstream drive.. Fly in, scan the area and then get out with no one beeing able to catch up. And if she get's into a brawl.. Well.. It's the Vesta, that thing is almost als large as a Sovereign and packs one hell of a punch! So in my point of view the Luna is an evolution of the Intrepid class. Don't get me wrong the Intrepid is a nice design, but it has some flaws, which the Luna perfectly get's fixed, while keeping her still as economically effective as the Intrepid is due to relatively medium size. I am sure she was designed with fighting the Borg in mind but I doubt Starfleet would send such a ship into a battle when they already have far better suited ships to deal with them

[@braddl9442]

So maybe Luna class was something they had planned for the borg fleet but then changed it during the dominion war to be more flexible.

[@38tales]

I loved the Luna in Star Trek Online. I rolled around in the USS Phobos for quite some time back in the day.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Good choice of name Mars4lyf!

[@Arbyfig]

Yeah I always saw the Luna class as a light cruiser, in sto its a science vessel, so it makes sense, but I can also see its pod being swappable for multiple mission profiles.

[@jacobfoster9185]

They always say it's only got 2 forward torpedo launchers and no pulse phaser cannons...but in almost every image online it CLEARLY has 2 more of the torpedo launchers above and beside the deflector dish as well as what look like phaser cannons on the bottom side of the saucer towards the front...AND either phaser cannons or torpedo launchers below the dish on the belly !? As well as the 2 on the pod up top. Just focusing on the forward ones. I find it inconvenient that the pod has so few launchers...it could easily have as many as the acura class AND yes still have extra sensors. Also what happens to the aquatic crew members when they are emergency beamed out or escape pods etc ?

[@VT-zc9ln]

We played a Star Trek game a while ago and we used a Luna class as the hero ship. The multifunction pod was used in many different ways to facilitate the story. It makes a great ship for storytelling.

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[@thespecialneedsgroup]

What? Electronic warfare is, canonically, the _most_ important priority in fighting the Borg. Exploiting flaws in their communication network lead directly to the destruction of at least two of the cubes that attacked Earth -- sending a false order to regenerate in the case of the first, and Picard being able to listen in on their damage control efforts in the second. They're a hive mind. Disrupting their communications renders them helpless.

[@DeadBoy665]

I honestly think you got the spot on. You got into the details very well in this one and honestly I think this is probably one of your better ones.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Glad you like it.

[@joeswanson733]

starfleet basically makes the compact version of every next gen heavy cruiser they have. nebula class for galaxy class miranda class to constitution luna class to sovereign class etc.

[@birdmonster4586]

That Nagus Impression was spot on. I could feel Wallace Shawn in the room. On the subject of the video. (Wall of text, don't bother yourself too hard.) EW and recon are underappreciated components of Trek Warfare for sure. I feel New Orleans would make a good EW/Recon ship Change out those modular pods for EW/Sensor units. I don't feel as though the design of the new fleet, or anti-borg fleet, as it is sometimes called, is so specific to the Borg threat that it suffered against other threats. Having ships that can brawl, provide fire support, etc is a pretty universal requirement. The Nova is new, But should be quickly producible so I wouldn't hold that against it, But it is a quite slow ship by 24th century standards. Maximum speed of Warp 8, even if that's the Top sustainable speed and not the absolute maximum, isn't great for a modern Federation ship. But why not create an Akira Variant or some-such that replaces the Torpedo pod with the Sensor EW capabilites of the Luna's pod? It's already proven and in service, and they are practically the same size and Vintage (within a decade of each other, the Akira is not a slouch in technical terms and could definitely take on new technology) so I'd have to assume it could take on the capabilities. Add some additional armour plating to toughen it up, Something which I would hope the Akira has the growth potential to accept and may have even been done over the course of the war. Of course, Because it's me, I have to mention the Intrepid, also known as the center of my universe. It is new, Top of the line and packed with bleeding edge technology, including sensors. So I do feel like it could handle the Recon job as well Luna. I don't feel there'd be much of any distinction there. I don't know how it would do with the electronic warfare side of things, I could see it being refit internally for it. Like removing most of the science labs and decreasing cargo bay space to make room for EW equipment. Maybe it could put that secondary deflector to use for EW stuff? But under a wartime refit much of that space might have already been taken up by other stuff. Unless it was a Wartime intention to use Intrepid for that role. Of course Intrepid's other main value as a Recon ship is it's speed. No other ship in Starfleet is listed as having a cruise speed as high as Intrepid's, so it could without doubt outrun anything else on the battlefield. It's compact profile also makes it less noisy than a larger vessel like the Nebula. I feel it would make an excellent mid-sized Recon ship. But it would perhaps suffer when it came to providing Fleet EW. Which I feel could be covered by the Nebula

[@barrybend7189]

2:13 in Star Trek Online Rom actually finds out Communism doesn't work so he later just makes a more regulated but fair Ferengi Commerce board and makes more profits. It saves the Galaxy from the Hurq too to boot.

[@barrybend7189]

The Luna a replacement for the Nebula and Miranda.

[@NotQuiteSteele]

Don’t know if it has the sheer adaptability of the Nebula to fully replace it, but I definitely think it surpasses it as a sensor/monitor vessel for the Federation borders.

[@TJRex01]

That ad made the video,worth it

[@troyspencer753]

This is an amazing looking vessel. It's like an the Akira and perhaps a Miranda class starship had a child... Thanks for another fantastic video! 🎉

[@vortega472]

Another good one, I've only been able to watch Lower Decks with clips, too poor to get a Paramount+ streaming account. So I like the individual ship exploration you post. I find that Electronic Warfare (EW) was best explored in the Table Top Game - Starfleet Battles, They not only explored EW - but ECW and ECCW - Electronic Counter (and Counter-Counter) Warfare. I love the fact you explore this, not only here but in other videos. I'm old, I still have my SFB stuff and wish I could find other people to play with.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah SFB is an old classic.

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Raid Shadowlegends, sigh. Atleast you know you have broken the mold as a content creator once you get to do a RSL ad. So congratulations to that. :)

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

thanks i consider it a big milestone for the channel.

[@jamieslingsby9907]

I run a Luna class Starship in my simming. in the history of the class written in the wiki. (paraphrased) was originally designed for exploring the gamma quadrant and was armed accordingly, quantum torpedoes really powerful phasers etc. the design was shelved after contact with the dominion in favour of more combat orientated designs. After the war it was assumed the federation would go back to its explorer roots and the Luna was revisited and updated again and became a very good explorer type ship for the post war period. fast and good endurance despite its size, initial run of 12 ships completed by 2379. Ending with the line of 'The Luna Class has been developed to be the Constitution Class for the late 24th and early 25th centuries.'

[@jamieslingsby9907]

I run the ship as just that, a science explorer in the late 24th century

[@Amoschp524]

Always thought of the Luna Class as the being the new Nebula-class to the Sovereign, a ship with similar mission profile but cheaper like the Nebula was to the Galaxy.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

But in this case its a lot lighter compared to its parent design compared to nebula or miranda.

[@Amoschp524]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Thanks for the video! I was surprised at how small the Luna Class was fro what Ithought it to be; before had only seen a couple of artworks and the angle of the pictures made it seem like a chocks boy at least as large as the Sovereign Class.

[@Cauin450]

Judging by its on-screen appearance in Lower Decks and the back story that's been published on it in books, by yourself and others, my theory is that the Luna class: Titan was a long-range Explorer/fast-attack cruiser. Starfleet has finally re-learned the lesson that the galaxy is very, very dangerous place if you want to keep going into the unknown. It doesn't actually need a gigantic armament, it's real weapon is its speed, manoeuvrability and subspace radio. Seriously, if Riker needs to send out a distress call what turns up is variously nicknamed: 'Daddy's Home,' 'bIjatlh 'e' yImevQo'!' & 'Lloann'mhrahel's ra'khoi!' and it's captain will be the scariest bald guy in history! The Titan is Riker with warp nacelles! If it could cock up one of them up on something, it would. Also, could we stop talking about the Space Canoe/Disruptor fodder, Oberth. The damn thing was obsolete in Star Trek III. It has less screen time than some of the kit-bashes at the end of Wolf 359. The NX Enterprise could hang in a fight with the Klingons longer than it! What was with that Cardassian ship in the picture chasing the Titan, but it's nacelle wings seem to be on backwards? Did the Cardassian monks change the style of their cloaks? As for the Luna nicking other ships jobs, it's not actually their jobs, these are assignments. They go where the Admiralty says they're going. Anyway, somehow I don't think anybody's stealing the Intrepid's crown when it comes to extreme long range exploration!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

That's a legate class attack cruiser a little bit more aggressive than the Galor

[@TheCsel]

My thoughts on the Luna is that with the Borg threat emerging, StarFleet started their new program with Sovereigns, Akiras, etc. More combat oriented ships. However, the Borg are still a big unknown, they are a threat but no one really knows when they will actually attack again. To the Federation the Borg might not actually attack again for another 10, 20, 50 years? So while planning all these combat anti-Borg ships, they didn't want to fully abandon the generalized exploration and science cruiser. But they needed these generalized exploration vessels to be smaller and cheaper than Galaxies and Nebulas, but still bigger and wider role than the Nova; Basically a smaller Galaxy or Nebula without the overkill luxuries and excesses, but still capable of doing the same job.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah although the intrepid would be expected to do that job. But I think her cost made starfleet reconsider and look to the anti borg fleet for a cheaper technology.

[@TheCsel]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 exactly I think the Intrepid was an attempt to miniaturize and cram all the Galaxy's equipment and some upgrades into a smaller package. While the Luna is a "lets remove everything we don't need to do the same job as the Galaxy" and put it in a smaller package. So its still capable, but a lot cheaper and not overkill. Plus after the Dominion War and resources free up, there's always the possibility to give them a bit of an upgrade if needed, repackage them for specific roles like electronic warfare, or just phase them out for the next model without too much expense wasted.

[@thomasthibodeau8628]

I really like the video, but your background music for the first half of the video kinda sucked, didn't know if you could re-edit the music. Other than that love your channel, keep it up 👍🖖

[@witchdoctor1394]

Seems to me like Starfleet was forced to diversify their defensive doctrines by having to face the various forces arrayed against them (Borg, Dominion, Cardasdians, etc...). Whereas Starfleet was used to previously dealing with the Kilngons, Romulans, etc., a standard 'shield doctrine' was sufficient and most Starfleet vessels had little to no armor and an adequate hull structure but excelled at deflector shield technology. The Borg could still be mostly handled through a strong shield doctrine but inspired the development of using armor to supplement defensive shields. The Dominion forces used polaron based weaponry that easily cut through deflector shields and thus forced Starfleet to enhance development of a fleet using an armor doctrine for defense. Facing the Dominion also spurred the development of a 'Hull' defense doctrine for the larger Starfleet vessels like the Galaxy class. By removing the excess, fluff systems, the wartime Galaxys could tank enormous amounts of damage before suffering critical system damage and hang in pitched battles far longer and required much less maintenance and repair times. It seems to me like the Luna was one if the 'test bed' designs that toyed with the idea of a 'shield doctrine' version of the Akira. There's probably quite a few ship classes in Starfleet that seem like an overlap of other designs but are, in reality, just a different defense doctrine design. Having a ships with similar roles but different defense doctrines seems like an idea that Starfleet would go for given the diversity of antagonist fleets and unusual phenomena they encounter.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah well when facing the klingons and romulans in the 23rd century starfleet ships were generally heavier and less agile. So worked best in formation. However the cardassians employed rigid formations to compensate for their weaker ships and of course against the borg: formations are a death sentence which lead starfleet to develop ships that were more klingon in design.

[@freelancenerd4804]

Thanks for this! My favorite ship in the new era trek!

[@enterprise-h312]

10:31 Didn't we see a Nebula-class turn on a dime using its warp capability? The "bigger is slower"-mentality works if warp is not applicable but how often is that the case? 12:32 The Sovereign-class is more of a flagship.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Nebula has different geometry compared to galaxy so its probably slower. But given its more squared off shape perhaps it is easier to handle at warp with a shorter turn radius.

[@dls1970]

In terms of design longevity, the Titan-Prime herself should've lasted at least 75 to 100 years. When we saw the Titan-A in 'Star Trek: Picard' and how apparently parts of that craft were directly constructed from the original Titan. My curiosity is this: What happened to the original Titan that go her so put through the bollocks that she ended up as shipyard-bait...? (ADDENDUM: The same holds true for the Enterprise-E, and the Enterprise-F was still WAAAY too young herself to get cashiered the way we saw - she wasn't even 15 years old yet, best guess.) Hopefully these questions will end up getting properly answered.

[@soulbreakerthelastmanalive]

Picard doesn't exist it's not real. It is a Romulan fake.

[@OmegablueWolf]

they wanted to trade on nostalgia with a lost era style ship but required it to have a name and tie it in to TNG some how so the titan got chopped up and mated to the hull of a hundred year old ship to make it a franken ship. there isnt any inuniverse logic they just wanted it to be a lost era hull.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah I headcanon it as a starfleet publicity stunt. I feel like in picard they chew through new ships so fast in an effort to give us new shiny things.

[@joshk96]

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[@Rocketsong]

Luna is a science/explorer designed to replace the Nebula and Intrepid class. Easier to build than an Intrepid, with more modern warp nacelles and heavier weaponry. She's not part of the anti-borg fleet, rather Star Fleet took advantage of the technical advancements and construction techniques learned from building the anti-borg fleet to build her. And if war does come, well, she makes a decently armed and armored recon asset.

[@julius-stark]

And then they cannibalized them to make a completely different class of starship lol

[@Nostripe361]

I could see the idea that the Federation never really needed a serious EW ship as most enemies they fight seem to be more about raw firepower or are behind the federation in sensor and EW tech to begin with. I could see the idea being that your average starfleet ship can handle whatever it is attacked with and whatever it can't handle can be subdued by a close by Oberth or Nebula while the main ship keeps the enemy occupied. Its not till the Dominion arrives that the Federation finds a force that can give its engineers and computers a run for its money and so the Luna is now a needed component of Starfleet battle doctrine.

[@Sephiroth144]

True- but having a dedicated platform that specializes in it, when you have fleet operations, could make sense. I mean, think about Operation Return; what is a few Lunas could've borked the Cardassian and Dominion sensors- sure, the Dominion had more effective weapons, but a 5% reduction in hits would have a survival increase on the Federation side. (Or if they could've scrambled the communication of the Dominion fleet...)

[@Nostripe361]

@@Sephiroth144 I mean this was also the federation that had factions that were already looking at mothballing ships like the defiant class after wolf 359. I could see some pacifist admiral pushing the idea that a ESW is somehow too aggressive and not needed for a peaceful research organization

[@Sephiroth144]

@@Nostripe361 Counterpoint; they could push the idea that by using EW/ECW/ECCW that they could disable a possible threat without needing to actually destroy them.

[@Nostripe361]

@@Sephiroth144 I guess it depends on which admiral was in charge that day. Starfleet admirals seem to jump between evil, genius, and highly incompetent; no in between. Maybe a couple of good ones got the Oberth and Nebula pushed through before the pacifists that admonished being prepared for battle got in the way.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@Nostripe361 Or the good ones are quietly getting crap done in the background, but we never get to see them because they're doing the boring stuff that makes Starfleet "go". Seriously, given how top heavy Starfleet seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised finding stuff for Admirals to do isn't itself a daunting task. (Like, is the Academy filled with Professor Admirals?)

[@_Omega_Weapon]

There's always some "controversy" amongst Trek fans when it comes to ships. For instance, you've often said a 700 meter long ship is "huge!". It's a decent size to *me*, but not "huge". I'd love to see a mile long new Enterprise or Starfleet ship. We can always debate about how'd they'd work inU, and there's some design flaws or things that wouldn't work well that we could point to objectively, possibly. I personally like the Luna class. Not my absolute favorite but it's a cool ship. Just got the Eaglemoss model of it too. Regular size, not the XL unfortunately.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

A friend of mine gave me the XL model. We do get the odyssey class. Which works as a long range explorer.

[@froddy32623]

Did you get Wallas himself to voice Zek?😅

[@raw6668]

The Akira is also, I think, a good post-war starship. It is a huge evaluation ship that could work moving colonists to or away from a colony. It also has a lot of scientific equipment to perform explorations, and it borrows a lot of its design from the Galaxy actually, including its massive shuttle bay. It is like the Intrepid and Akira starships that seem to be between the Golden Age and the Anti-borg Starfleet. Also, the Vesta seems like it was less designed to be scientific and more to be an anti-starship starship than even the Sovereign. It had phaser cannons, an anti-starship weapon, and a general do-all weapon called phaser arrays. Its armor was more built up than any other ship in the era and was larger than a Sovereign. And its main weapons were quantum torpedoes and transphasic torpedoes. You know, anti-borg torpedoes. Also, the only know Vesta I know, the USS Aventine, was used more to run interference of hostile parties, investigate possible attacks, conduct dangerous salvage missions in enemy territory, and perform attack missions, especially against the Borg and Breen. In fact, did it ever perform any exploratory missions that were not investigated for possible Breen or Typhon Pact involvement? I am drawing a blank, but I did not read all of the books. The only thing suggested is an explorer was due to the class being called a multi-mission explorer cruiser, which they also call Sovereign class, and it is obviously a battlecruiser (a heavy cruiser that's firepower is close to a battleship or dreadnaught).

[@maxjackson1579]

The prettiest damn class in Starfleet is what she is

[@cpt_bill366]

I usually go for more top-of-the-line big ships, but your breakdown left me loving it. It really is nice to consider a recon ship that can be so independent.

[@scpguy1381]

In my mind it looks a lot like a budget sovereign. Kind of like the Nebula is to the Galaxy Class

[@DStrormer]

Thanks to its versatility I feel the Luna class is arguably one of the best ships the Federation ever built (at least from the 22nd to 25th centuries). It can fight, it can stealth, it can science, it can move fast. It may not be at the peak of any of those capabilities, but the fact that the one ship can do it all is just exceptional. Also, if you take into account the Titan novels, its capacity to support a wildly diverse crew compliment gives it an almost Galaxy-level ability to act as a people-mover/diplomatic vessel in peacetime. Excellent design, excellent concept, and as much as the Titan-A was a fun ship I do genuinely wish we'd gotten to spend Picard season 3 on board Riker's Luna class Titan.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah arguably the culmination of the Universal cruiser concept. That we see developed across all the major powers

[@elisekehle8520]

You write great fanfic. I'd love to hear you explaining what parts of canon lead you to these conclusions! Some of it does seem to have roots in beta canon- especially your descriptions of the Akira- but others seem quite original.

[@ellebleisch6853]

I agree they definitely stepped it up hahaha really fits in with the ad. But those female's in the game wear cloths so I don't think quark will get it.😅

[@Avtarangel]

In the Titan book series it explains the design purpose of the Luna Class. They were designed as long range Exploration ships for exploring the Gama quadrant however the outbreak of the Dominion War put a stop to those plans & put a hold on the production of the class which wasn't helped by the engineering accident aboard the U.S.S. Luna herself that Destroyed? or at least damaged beyond reasonable repair that ship. After the Dominion war the class finally went into limited production with around a dozen ships being built.

[@scpguy1381]

Luna vs Akira seems like a good comparison to Sovereign vs Galaxy clSs

[@Robb403]

Has anyone created a detailed history of the invention of the transporter? Seems like that could be a series in itself. Imagine the experiments and the failures a people put in solid objects and such.

[@Eiskralle1]

To me the Luna class seems a bit like a more substantial successor to the Intrepid, almost. More emphasis on combat utility, but the general feel of its capabilities is quite similar, just slightly scaled-up

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

The exception would be the USS Titan. Riker basically turning it into his little warship and oversized Jazz Album. :P

[@MaverickBlue42]

When the Luna class was originally introduced in beta cannon in STO, long before Lower Decks was an idea, it was geared towards science and sensory suites, so it has purpose in both war and peace. Was one of my first tier 5 ships when the game was only a little ways into free to play.

[@thomaszinser8714]

It wasn't actually first introduced by STO. The origins of it in beta canon is from a series of books from 2007, although it was still very much intended to serve as the long-range research/science ship of the 'anti-borg ship' generation of vessels, with the delay in her introduction being due to the Gamma Quadrant being inaccessible for Dominion war-related reasons.

[@Atharun18999]

I've always seen the Akira and Luna classes as two sides of the same coin. Both were ways for Starfleet to take the technologies from the Sovereign Class but at a lower cost , with the Akira focusing more on combat and the Luna focusing more on Exploration (with elements pulled from Voyager's lessons learned). Basically scaling the Sovereign down to, say 90% of the effective power, but at 78% of the cost in resources. Cheaper and easier to produce but still with the teeth.

[@khidorahian]

Finally, its here

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

We've waited so long for it.

[@khidorahian]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 and now it lives, and nobody else will get why

[@evolve991]

LOL derka der. Excellent breakdown,man. And ,yeah, you won't get Kirk to pick any dilythium crystals.

[@spencerjones841]

vesta has the slipstream drive so its honestly in a entirely different category than the luna

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah slipstream is a propulsion revolution.

[@magister343]

I'd like to see a Federation ship where the saucer section houses a Vulcan-style Warp Ring that can propel it more escape battle while the engineering section uses its nacelles to maneuver in combat.

[@davidjordan697]

The Luna definitely took the intrepid’s job (light explorer), along with the nova (light science vessel) and even the California (internal housekeeper and diplomacy)

[@farshnuke]

Literally paused at the start of the third titan book so I am full of love for the Luna

[@danverss6176]

This has been the best raid ad of all time

[@FreeThePorgs]

Looks like an upgraded intrepid class, improved systems overall which would act as a escort for a vesta or odyssey class in combat. Part of starfleets push to resume scientific exploration and break away from dominion war battleships. A ship with long range and decent firepower but not bristling in guns and weapons like a dedicated warship. A luna class could hold its own in a fight but easily overpowered and would need to call for help with a Klingon vorcha or romulan d'dedrax class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Or a Vor'kang ;)

[@dustind3960]

Luna class started off as being science ship maube as a platform to support sovergine amd luna class were kinda to take up a lot of tue peace time duties of the mirenda class ship jobs. Luna class ship had the weapon and defences to protect itself just not a primarly as from line battle ships. During tue dommion war had starfleet would of been smart instead of putting 2372 the luna class on the back burner starfleet would of been started to replaced mirenda class ship as early as 2373 near to federation core with lina class ships sectors

[@Virtue2721]

Luna class is just Akira class 2.0 but not as well armed. Proove me wrong.

[@king_br0k]

Calling the Oberith Class a glass cannon is overstating its firepower...

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I did do a short om the oberth variants... you'd be surprised

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

Anon: I dont like the Akira, it needs an engineering hull! Me: Here's a Luna class. Anon: I love it!

[@jaredevans8263]

Some beta canon sources state that the Luna class has six type 12 phaser arrays. Not many in number, but they hit hard

[@cesare753]

Omg that Grand Negas bit was too funny

[@jasonwhite7905]

A stand alone heavy recon vessel? In that case, it's class is well named. Who would want to test Borg or Dominion instalations,, except a Lunatic.

[@djluminol]

That was so accurate I'm wondering if you hired the actor that played the Nagus to do that reading.

[@Vagabond820]

Regardless of you feelings on the game, you got to appreciate the use of the ferangi to plug raid shadow legends. Bravo. Bravo.

[@katherineberger6329]

The Luna class strikes me as the "hatchback" version of the Sovereign. We don't want to start a fight but if you want to, we will fucking end you.

[@walkergamble4504]

I always considered the Luna as a replacement for the aging nebula class, sharing similar mission profiles

[@sartainja]

Luna Class ~ like the U.S.S. Enterprise and the U.S.S. Reliant made a love child after a night of heavy Romulan ale drinking.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It was a hell of a night.

[@chickenpermission]

1:23 THRU 3:13 is the ad, you can skip easily to 3:13 to get the gist of the video.

[@ycplum7062]

As a geberal rule, passive reconnaissance assets (aka scouts) are almost never electronic warfare assets. Use of electronic warfare (e.g. communication or sensor jamming) automatically gives away your presence.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Basically it is a hybrid class, that although most at home as an electronic warfare and fast scouting vessel. Yet unlike a lot of the anti borg fleet vessels, it is perfectly adaptable to a role in peacetime as exploratory vessel, making use of its above mention special capabilities to scout out new worlds and new civilisations, yet still keeping watch on potential threats and enemies, that might eventually prove a threat to the federation.

[@brandondowning6243]

New drinking game...take a shot every time he says "electronic warefare".

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It wouldn't be one of mine if you couldn't play a drinking game with it.

[@Ol-T1864]

I always thought that the electronic warfare aspect of the borg was never considered. Imagine if they could jam the collective consciousness, adaptive shields, or repair systems

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Thing is isn't the borg connection hardwired at least within the alcoves. I feel like most of the systems are hardwired so cannot be jammed. But you could cut they off from the wider collective.

[@leaaronsanchez]

After seeing a picture of the USS Titan after Star Trek Resurrection. I always saw it as a armored multi-purpose. More so since it was sent to the romulan sector, pictures I sent fighting it was never alone, teamed with a Defiant or Steamrunner.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah and that fits with my assessment

[@shanenolan5625]

We are all one happy fleet ( Khan, the wrath of Khan)

[@That80sGuy1972]

So, it's the most modern incarnation of the original vision of the TOS Constitution Class UFP ship, got it. It DID take that job... but only for the time being, like (in retcon canon) Miranda/NX did before the Constitution, like the Galaxy did, like the Intrepid did, like the Sovereign did, now it has that job.

[@iansaviet600]

I'm wondering how many intrepids you can produce instead of 1 Luna, I think that its compact size and cheapness carves it a niche as a nova + rather than a Luna -

[@Rocketsong]

3:2 Lunas to Intrepids. Those moving nacelles can't be cheap to build.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Intrepid was expensive for it's day. And wasn't produced in huge numbers. The Luna benefits from economies of scale by using anti borg parts.

[@ArbitraryConstant]

suspect there's a desire to modernize in general. the average fleet age is a huge liability against peer adversaries; a fleet's top speed is a miranda's top speed. the federation had ships that could sustain warp 9.9+ during the dominion war but not enough to fill out a fleet. if such ships had been available in sufficient number it would have taken far more resources for the dominion to deter raids.

[@richard1701able]

I always thought of it as the light cruiser variant of the soverreign.

[@Josh-iv2bw]

Ferengi selling Raid is so fitting...

[@WillFredward7167]

I was legit impressed by the voice