"Fight like you were taught and you have a fair chance of being killed. Fight how you know your opponent wasn't taught and they cannot defend themselves." -Musashi, The Five Rings. I've been a fencer, a Kendoa and I've practice Wu Dan and Shaolin swordsmanship ranging from the Jian to the Dao. In all the sword fights I've been in through sparring and tournament there have been no harder opponents than those ignorant of formal training and its simply because they lack knowledge of the forms and therefore there is no form to defend from their lack of form. They swing wildly and you wait for an opening but they give nothing. Maybe a leg. Maybe they turn their back for just long enough. Maybe you can side-step and get behind their blade. The hardest opponents are the worst fighters.
@chanwu895 жыл бұрын
This is the best demo of Jian skill that I’ve seen for a bit. Thanks so much for sharing!
@BS-bd5uq4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Many of the techniques shared similar concepts with rapier & military sabre treatises, especially for the parry and counters
@themirror22122 жыл бұрын
right
@itinerantpoet13412 жыл бұрын
Yup. Just like in Europe, the modern wudang fencing that comes down through Li Jinglin was transformed into sport to preserve the art, after the age of sword. Unfortunately, you don't see very much sophisticated point fighting from most practitioners, but I was lucky b/c my teacher held he view that "if you want to get to me, you have to come through my point" and could back that up. A key distinction between practical European fencing (preserved in FIE) and practical Chinese fencing (preserved in Wudang) is that, while both involve pris de fer, Wudang, and the more conservative subcategory of Tai Chi sword especially, look to maintain continual blade-on-blade contact, right up to the point when you break for a clean strike. You can only safely break contact, however, after putting a little extra energy (momentum) into the opponent's blade to make them momentarily lose control. The real internal sword art is deep, very few can do it well, and even fewer at a high level.
@tlitzanto Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's one movement very similar to the "'passé" in epée fencing.
@EternalArtsTex5 ай бұрын
@@itinerantpoet1341 I mean... I find comments from people who have no idea what they are talking about alot on martial arts channels. This is not the case here. Everything said is like spot on from my experiences and what I have learned in my 30 years in CMA including Wu Tai Chi, Myjhong Law Horn Kung Fu, Wudang Sword and Wudang Quan(Fu style martial arts) Probably one of the most spot on comments on youtube still.
Just remember that for real wudang "swordsmanship" all movement comes from the waist, and you need bagua and hsingyi in addition to tai chi. The thrusts should be *explosive*, like a spring uncoiling. And real wudang uses more waist extension than tai chi. These are all legitimate techniques and applications, demonstrated correctly, if not very internally. You need to train your waist every day, and just let the arms and legs follow. The muscles should be relaxed but tendons fully extended at all times, otherwise you can't keep constant weight in your sword. Understand also that striking without first having controlled the opponent's blade is dangerous and, over time, non-viable. So also learn the deeper art of sticky fencing. Learn to counter, and guide or knock the opponents blade off-line to create openings to strike cleanly. And remember that Wudang *never* goes force against force.
@NoOffensePies4 жыл бұрын
When you see demos without weapon chasing, it's usually pretty good.
@Feilu8886 жыл бұрын
The grip presented here is quite different from that described in the Manual (武當劍法大要) they are taking these techniques from. The grip seen here is a modern grip that has a number of serious problems. The more serious of is that it will quickly result in broken finger in free swordplay. The reason why it is call a guard it it protects the fingers, keep your entire hand behind it.
@Baihu1086 жыл бұрын
Feilu888 Agreed! The grip they are using is a great way to get your fingers smashed in during swordplay. The guard is there to protect the fingers, keep them behind it!
@utskungfu6 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, thank you for you comment. We should aware how the sword grip correctly when we were taking the photos. Thank you for pointing out the problem. So others and us can improve in the future. :) Gordon
@MikClarke6 жыл бұрын
The grip being demonstrated is a modern wushu invention, it does allows the sword to move more easily in the hand, and as such is appropriate for showy solo forms with lots of flourish. However, it is dangerous and impractical in actual sword fighting, for some very good reasons explained here: steelandcotton.tumblr.com/post/171312061846/a-modern-and-incorrect-chinese-sword-grip
@appa6095 жыл бұрын
Idk the guard is really narrow. I don't think it'd do much to protect your hand. Even european single handed swords are often used with fingers over the crossguard sometimes.
@tonarsilverwolf64854 жыл бұрын
@@appa609 also in Chinese swordsmanship, evasive technique is used to protect the hand from the opponents blade. The guard is there to stop the hand from sliding on to the blade
@TheGohan294 ай бұрын
Musashi said that you can learn to perfect your art through viewing the skills of other practices. While the sword I have trained in is katana and korean gong this has helped open my eyes to new maneuvers. Even with two hands at times and just the single edge
@tatumergo3931Ай бұрын
Don't forget that the mune of the katana can be also used effectively!
@emptyemptiness83723 жыл бұрын
Nice to see so many attacks to the wrist. My first sword sifu always tried to get me to focus more on them but i was young and attacked the stomach chest throat and head especially in sparing letting me win quick with a violent kill shot....however....eventually i was to encounter a home invasion, i had my jian and dao within reach but could not bring myself to use them as i didnt want to kill, i ended up hurt in that real life encounter. Ever since i have practiced wrist attacks as well as lower leg attacks because if i am ever in that situation i know i can defend myself, disarm my attacker, end the violence and we all survive. In this modern time i think this is practical. Edit: the country this happened in most home invasions are carried out with knives, bats and machetes as guns are uncommon for street level common crooks.
@riceboy2873 жыл бұрын
Make no mistake, wrist strikes are very lethal. One cut on the ulnar artery can leave the person dead within minutes if bleeding isn't stopped.
@dragonfell50783 жыл бұрын
It's better to prioritize neutralizing the threat than worrying about harming or injuring them. If a person is invading your home, they are coming in with the intention of, or willingness to harm, maim, injure, even kill. Their crime is dangerous and violent by nature, to defend yourself in your own home is simply common sense. Of course it would be better to not kill them, but in that split-second moment that can be the difference between life or death, sometimes you just have to go for it and worry about the aftermath later. Try to take them alive if it is reasonably practical, but remember that they are invading your home armed. If they are willing to harm others, they should not be surprised if they are harmed in the act. If an enemy surrenders though, you can no longer harm them. Restrain them and call the cops (I'm sure you know this). I wish you well, and I hope that you are safe in your travels. Peace be upon you.
@andysif3 жыл бұрын
actually, attacking the wrist is not about "didn't want to kill", but more about disarming and avoiding a double kill. attack to the head or torso also exposes yourself and can easily result in a double kill. attacking the wrist is much safer.
@kyokushinkan_HongKong2 жыл бұрын
the counter attacks formula of wudong or taichi fencing is: wrist>arm>leg>torso> neck or head
@alfong82793 жыл бұрын
Very good demonstration, thanks!
@KevTarot8 ай бұрын
Seiji Yokoyama dawn of heroes
@richardbcot30404 жыл бұрын
thank you so much l am very happy you put this youtube
@mikewinburnАй бұрын
This is brilliant!
@kevinfung7116 жыл бұрын
多謝無私分享
@viniciuscatais5 жыл бұрын
很谢谢你们!
@franciscoantonioramirezgar36632 жыл бұрын
Good. Day. This. Is. Francisco. Antonio. Ramirez. Garcia. I. Am. Filipino. Citizen. I. Am. Here. In. Republic. Of. The. Philippines. I. Have. Pet. Dog. I. Have. Philippine. Passport. To. Travel. After. Covid. Video. Shown. Of. How. To. Hold. And. Right. Use. Of. Swords. In. This. Video. In. Live. Streaming. Thanks. So. Much
@黑洞男3 жыл бұрын
不是在耍劍 是劍法。。。 簡單,不花哨
@mr313374 жыл бұрын
Dude in the blue pyjamas is quite good. Pity he only does 1 move at a time.
@mns87325 жыл бұрын
Thanks from Washington D.C.
@別把我看扁了大叔4 жыл бұрын
感謝
@fareastpride946 жыл бұрын
has anyone tried test cutting those back cuts? are they effective?
@elmohead5 жыл бұрын
Yes they are. Obviously not as damaging as a normal cut, but it's quick and can be unexpected. It will cut deep on an unarmored bit of flesh.
@Whiskey_Tengu4 жыл бұрын
I think the intent is lost here in understanding. This technique is more interested in being a disarming technique. Getting a nice cut into the wrist or hand enough to cause them to drop the weapon, would have been all that was needed. Wudang sword carries much of the Internal Martial Philosophy which aims not to maim or kill if possible. An unskilled swordsman, for sure is going to want to win by any means necessary and may not have the luxury of nice clean cuts or thrusts to non vital areas of the body in order to simply immobilize or disarm. That said, for test cutting, I would be more impressed by the skill of someone who cut halfway through a candle rather than clear through a thick piece of bamboo. One certainly is more skillful than the other (if the end result matched the intent that is, accidentally cutting halfway through a candle if the intent is to cut clean through, is obviously not skillful).
@itinerantpoet13412 жыл бұрын
In a lot of cases those back edge cuts, which you see in "spreading wings" and "old scholar goes fishing" are setups for more determinative cuts. The best cuts and slices are those that involve twisting the waist, such that the cut is a circular arc, while the sword is straight, which naturally presses the blade deeply into the opponent's flesh, even when applied at high tempo.
@corpsetconsciencegg19213 жыл бұрын
MERCI MERCI
@lmichael43072 жыл бұрын
please tell me the music used in this video. it is beautiful
@utskungfu2 жыл бұрын
英雄的黎明 .The Dawn Of A Hero 橫山菁兒 1992
@lmichael43072 жыл бұрын
@@utskungfu thank you
@rimroth52243 жыл бұрын
Are there similar techniques for the dao?
@utskungfu3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Dao's techniques are similar but the way of doing this will depend on the kungfu system's body mechanic . One common point is try not hitting opponent's weapon with the blade :) Gordon
@孤獨英雄3 жыл бұрын
請問洗劍與撩劍有何不同之處?
@utskungfu3 жыл бұрын
其實是同一個, 只是叫法不一樣
@KeytoKungFu6 жыл бұрын
Very good stuff
@antonalfredendaya21583 жыл бұрын
Can the sword techniques of Jian sword be applied with Longquan sword?
@utskungfu3 жыл бұрын
of Course, but you have to choose a jian that is suitable to you
@raystargazer74683 ай бұрын
i ordered exactly this f*cking sword just two days ago
@mushintao948621 күн бұрын
You win!
@zorbataichi65brown195 жыл бұрын
Hi Very good class I am very excited to see these skills. Every body teaches Forms, forms no applications. would like to learn these different moves. I live in Victoria 1000 km from Sydney. I will be coming there for school holidays later this month. I practice Wu Tai Chi I know the Wu Jian long slow form but my teacher has no applications. Will you please take me for intensive lessons in your art please. Maybe you have teaching videos. I am older male english teacher down here. Give us an answer or other contact Thank you very much!
@utskungfu5 жыл бұрын
Hi we are glad to see you love our video and you willbe in Sydney . Normally, we do our sword class in Ultimo near Chinatown on Monday. But we dont do Wu style Tai chi sword so we might not able to give u all answer of the sword form. You can contact us via email utsjingwu@gmail.com or our facebook page m.facebook.com/pg/utskfc/community/. Gordon
@Whiskey_Tengu4 жыл бұрын
Zorbataichi, being a Wu Style practicioner myself for over 9 yrs now (and a martial artist for over 30 yrs), you can imagine we've likely viewed the same Internal martial arts videos over the years. While I can appreciate your enthusiasm for wanting to learn so deeply, I've seen your comments over the past several years, and I have refrained from responding to you until now, because I just thought you were a kid at the time, possibly. However, after all this time, and seeing you still asking the same questions concerning applications, I have to ask...were you bullied often in life? What makes you so keen on wanting to learn to fight so badly? This is not an insult, I'm genuinely curious because I've seen you blast every video about form and all you care about is how they can be used to hurt, which tends to be the end result of martial applications. You seem to demand it as if you're entitled to be taught this knowledge...on the contrary it needs to be earned. Perhaps it is not your intent to come across this way, however, you should know that you have and continue to do so to anyone who may have come across your frequent inquiries into fighting applications in the manner of which you do. You are interested in the internal martial arts. No true master would ever bother to teach someone with a heart so concerned with how to inflict violence and it would be irresponsible of the master to show you after the fact. I hope your approach to learning and seeking the true art will evolve over time, perhaps try a different approach. Just know that if I can see where your heart (interest lies) any real master will see right through you and you will never be shown real skill by verifiable masters...Especially within the Wu Style, which measures the character of a person before any real skill is shared. That may sound frustrating, but think about it for a second. Would you sell a gun to someone who kept asking where the best places on the human body to shoot were? Please reflect on that for a while. Besides, if learning to actually fight with any efficacy is really your goal, there are gyms dedicated to learning to fight and will get you there quicker and better than the traditional route. Any reputed MMA, Boxing, BJJ or Muy Thai gym will get you into fighting shape and sparring matches quicker than the internal martial arts path ever will, so what is your true goal? To be good at fighting, means you have to fight frequently against many different opponents and of a variety of different disciplines. You won't get that experience from any traditional school the way they are taught today, and if they are, then they are also incorporating modern methods of training and fighting, which should be that way anyway. It's part of the natural evolution of things. I wish you all the best on your martial journey and am confident you will find true mastery, is in mastery of your own urges and needs...eventually ;)
@zorbataichi65brown194 жыл бұрын
@@Whiskey_Tengu Thank you God, you took along time but answered me finally. I take it you have a psychology degree. I suspect you have Year 10 high school. So thanks for the consultation, from your Self-Righteousness Pty.Ltd. Sounds like you are 'one of the sick men of Asia.' You've seen how a formerly a great martial art Taiji Chuan from Yang the Invincible legacy totally humiliated and trashed in seconds in a couple of challenge matches on KZbin and you still argue for shit training, wobbly masters, secret bullshit, and studying your own urine. When these routines were designed they were adopted and used on ancient or medieval battle fields to inflict injury or death. Because most humans are born with a conscience they had to be tempered, with Buddhism or Daoism or Christianity, for the Knights in the west. You and your mates, don't know and can't teach shit. I hope you are not teaching, you can't identify or establish student needs or target their improvement, and taylor their lessons. Your type has depleted already fading internal martial arts. I am angry at people who lack pride and excellence in what they teach, and do not fully promote their art in ALL ITS ASPECTS. Just repaying your essay in kind. With all due respect
@Whiskey_Tengu4 жыл бұрын
@@zorbataichi65brown19 and with that you just proved why no one will ever teach you. Best of luck to you.
@zorbataichi65brown192 ай бұрын
@@Whiskey_Tengu What is all this sanctimonious pontifications, I have stumbled on here above from years ago. Are you claiming some sort martial virtues, none of which you have. Thirty years a martial artist you claim they were surely wasted, too gutless to show your face and hiding behind a an empty FAKE account! Chicken shit, or drunkard on whiskey!
@michaelspyrou17844 жыл бұрын
PERFECT
@陳太和-l7j6 жыл бұрын
實在受用
@GhostBlogger4 ай бұрын
👍👍👍❤️🙏
@benly60652 жыл бұрын
does anyone know the title of the music in this video
@utskungfu2 жыл бұрын
英雄的黎明 .The Dawn Of A Hero 橫山菁兒 1992
@selfsameday74483 жыл бұрын
精彩
@tombslasher3 жыл бұрын
Any broad sword? I was on train in Sydney saw guys wear Chinese kick boxing shirts. SAN...something.
@utskungfu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mate, we didn't do it because other ppl have done a few good one already. 🙂 The t shirt may be come from a Sanda school in Summer hill . You can search that in google if you are interested
@tombslasher3 жыл бұрын
@@utskungfu You guys ever do weekend seminars on Chinese weapons for people study Chinese kung fu that dont touch weapons but want to learn?
@rikt1541 Жыл бұрын
hope this will get stress tested
@Anish.Thayil6 жыл бұрын
A free English translation of the work "The Major Methods of Wudang Sword: Huang Yuan Xiou (武當劍法大要- 黃元秀)" is available on brennantranslation.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/wudang-sword/
@spacelinx5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the link. That blog is a treasure trove of old Chinese Kung fu basic techniques and philosophies.
@61zulu775 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the link, some of the books are long out of print and impossible to find. The trranslation is quite good.
@chihoangcao66225 жыл бұрын
How about wudang sanfeng taichi 13???
@elumiomerk40135 жыл бұрын
Do you think any of this could be good for knife work?
@utskungfu5 жыл бұрын
I don't think it will work because it is different weapon so it's length is different too.
@elumiomerk40135 жыл бұрын
@@utskungfu yeah probably, and hands come in in knife work. Chinese swordsmanshiop looks so cool and graceful though.
@BZY-bu9wr4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not. Knife work is quite different and intricate on a whole other level.
@elumiomerk40134 жыл бұрын
@@BZY-bu9wr Ah yes, I've learnt a lot this past year.
@wirawanasril44632 жыл бұрын
👍
@蔡建弘3 жыл бұрын
背景音樂是什麼歌~
@utskungfu2 жыл бұрын
英雄的黎明 .The Dawn Of A Hero 橫山菁兒 1992
@Nuxia108 Жыл бұрын
The real question is can you assure the cut or slice? There is a method, but it requires real neijin and courage, because real wudang takes place body to body. The outside wrist jab battles are what we teach beginners, and a real Wudang fencer will draw their blade back, forcing you to thrust, so that you can engage blade to blade. The "Wudang Essentials" manual is really the "Basics Manual", and leaves out essentials about strategy and how to apply for real use. I understand why they didn't want to pass that on publicly, but today almost no one practices enough to really be able to do it, b/c you have to be training full time for a decade at least, just to gain basic competency to free spar the real way, wood or metal, with no protective gear. But trust me when I tell you that slicing the top of the wrist is nothing, because the few tendons are protected by bone, so you should favor pricking with the point into the back of the hand because you might damage or sever a tendon.
@Nuxia108 Жыл бұрын
Because I like UTS and I think you're sincere, and my lineage from Jinglin is the most famous, and sihing says we're "all one big family", I'm going to share a "secret" my Sifu taught me, which is to assure the cut or slice, you have to press the blade into the opponent's flesh, then twist the waist. You'll understand when you try it. That's why need intensive waist training to do capital W Wudang, and if you don't have access to Fu style basic training that comes down from Fu Zhensong, I highly recommend rigorous, intensive drunken boxing basic training morning and night. Drunken is almost certainly the first form of true internal boxing because humans have been fighting drunk since beer was invented. Drunken jian is also a great way to develop some real internal. #Sakra Amituofo!
@羊-r7t3 жыл бұрын
請問為什麼中國劍都要比劍指 劍指的作用是甚麼呢?
@utskungfu3 жыл бұрын
劍指作用在不同門派有有不同解法, 有門派認為是手持劍鞘作防禦和攻擊。 不過主要是左右兩手平衡和形成三角互助之勢, 除此之外把手指持訣可把兩臂合一, 手指持訣是集中一點, 更容易把力量傳到持劍手的劍尖。 即"集中催分散" Gordon
any good wudang sword historical sources? who used them? any famous swordsmen? famous duels? was this a civilian weapon or also for military?
@tonarsilverwolf64854 жыл бұрын
ever since the Han dynasty, the Dao has been the dominant military sword and the Jian relegated to civilian and court use only
@itinerantpoet13412 жыл бұрын
Swords were used in battle in China up into the 1930's in the Sino-Japanese War, and the instructors of those troops, including Fu Zhensong, famed for Bagua saber, were teachers who passed on the art to us. One very famous swordsman was Wang Zi-Ping, who fought in the Boxer Rebellion. Li Jinglin, through whom most modern wudang fencing comes, was a Warlord and famous duelist and dubbed "Miracle Sword".
@sx0lx0123 ай бұрын
These are sword dance moves only, and they do not have any real value in combat. Student practitioners have to gain experience from real combat sparing.
@Baihu1086 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of problems with the modern grip they are using. Aside from exposing the fingers to cuts, With just three fingers around the grip, one can not maintain a firm grip when cutting. They are using very, very light, historically inaccurate “weapons.” If they used real weight weapons the problems with the grip they are using would become clear very quickly.
@YamamotoKazuo6 жыл бұрын
Should be labeled 13 ways of loosing your index finger
@ZhangLee.6 жыл бұрын
look when they use the wooden for practice clearly it didn`t really need to hold that way when fight , didn`t like it just don`t use it
@ZhangLee.6 жыл бұрын
Joseph Valenciano inside out is for blocking , that is most of chinese trandition sword Techniques do , outside in is what for thrusting
@deanfim55085 жыл бұрын
Baihu108 sir there are two types of swords : wen sword(light sword for politician(remaining culture)) battle sword(for soldier(usually two-hand holding)(lost culture)
@61zulu775 жыл бұрын
That is the problem with learning Wushu and using ultralight weapons, giving oneself a false sense of security and learning bad techniques
@angelhurtado552 жыл бұрын
this… isn't that different that different from the European saber systems and fencing…
@lmichael43072 жыл бұрын
good techniques are common across cultures, after all, we belong to the same species, we all have 2 arms and 2 legs, thus we all have the same range of motions that can be achieved.
@angelhurtado552 жыл бұрын
@@lmichael4307 yeah, the mechanics of the human body is the same everywhere any time, but gotta say I expected it to be different, more distinct, with their cultural background and all, CMA are in large part different from HEMA
@utskungfu2 жыл бұрын
@@angelhurtado55 The angle is slightly different but depend on different Chinese Sword system. We only demo one of the system in here so we cannot represent every system in CMA. 😊 You could research Qing Ping , Emei and Kunwu.
@angelhurtado552 жыл бұрын
@@utskungfu Qing Ping, Emei, Kunwu, got it. Since were on it, I got a questionsince there is overlap between Chinese and European sword styles, do you think is feasible for a swordsman to use a saber the same way an oxtail? Say one with a similar profile…
@utskungfu2 жыл бұрын
@@angelhurtado55 I will said yes, i don't think is their are any different between that. There are a lot of fusion between western and local kungfu in early 20th . For example, Hung Gar Chi Fa Dao (Commander Saber). This is a form to use saber kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYDJpoaZeq58r9E
@Mindful7Kung7Fu75 жыл бұрын
if I attack you so unprecise and half assed all your moves work, but Im sorry I dont see a chance for mamy moves in real life !
@2.nonchalant8945 жыл бұрын
Well they are demonstrating, not sparing. No one is going to go all out
@Whiskey_Tengu4 жыл бұрын
For sure the nice looking form and postures don't look as pretty in actual sparring. But the principles absolutely work. Plenty of Hema videos out there for you to look at and when slow-motion or pausing, you can find these "principles". Focus on the principles not the exactness of form. The form is just there as a basic guide to initially train the principles.
@itinerantpoet13412 жыл бұрын
It's true that real Wudang technique requires significantly greater relaxations and speed. This is why you have to practice tai chi and hsingyi every day, and ideally also bagua. Using it with external technique is not likely to work.
@aardvarkhendricks65559 ай бұрын
It's time to lose the tassel. It doesn't have a place in dueling.
@ElricWilliam4 жыл бұрын
Im self taught myself. I challenge one of your students. I am based in vancouver and would like that blood and iron or another organization take over as a measure of our talents.. To deny me is a work for cowardice.
@Whiskey_Tengu4 жыл бұрын
Oh please, there are plenty of Hema clubs around you to go test your skills with. Or go find Scott Rodell who is on the same continent and teaches fighting with the sword in actual sparring. If you want to test yourself, there are plenty of better options closer to you.
@itinerantpoet13412 жыл бұрын
@@Whiskey_Tengu Does he though? I see a lot of vids of him cutting stationary objects, and none of him actually sparring. His translation of the Wudang essentials manual omits the two person section, and I've never been able to determine who he actually learned Wudang sword from. Techniques I've seen him demonstrate on his channel are non-viable for real fencing. He doesn't even seem to know how to put sufficient tension in his arm to put real weight in his sword, and keep it from getting knocked away, and he doesn't seem to understand how to use Wudang technique to control the opponent's weapon.
@@lmichael4307 look, if you Chinese want to play, don't use that copycat miao dao against the katana. Fight against the nodachi, but we all know Chinese fighters like to cheat.
@はじまっていくたかまっていくたかまってい7 ай бұрын
笑死,一個伸擊面突進進去,什麼劍法都是笑話 與其說是武,不如說是舞
@小白张-c2h4 ай бұрын
你不如直接打手枪
@УильямБешеныйКоньРусланда Жыл бұрын
Хватит показывать нацыональные танцы...покажи в спаррингах приклад ное значение. Сказочные фейкометы