Wuthering Waves Review - Too Much Genshin Not Enough PGR

This was a lot more work than I expected
#wutheringwaves

[@Man-of-segs]

WuWa is literally Australia simulator: bunch of dangerous shiet want to kill you and rain falls upward

[@inser3882]

I wish Australia was real 😔

[@Brother_Zeke]

real

[@HanT5247]

As aussie this comment has me dead😂😂

[@DrSilvergun]

My first attempt at a review video Safe to say I bit off more than I could chew with this one. Spent a couple weeks on it and I'm still unhappy with the result. If I had the motivation I'd have started over and done another draft at the script. Regardless I think It manages to convey how I felt about Wuthering Heights and that's enough for me. Back to Arknights videos now.

[@K1z0ku]

Nah man I had fun watching it. Had a few laughs and just enough info to decide if I want to play it or not. Good job.

[@blackhammer5035]

"Spent a couple weeks on it and I'm still unhappy with the result" sums up my feelings on WuWa.

[@harunammie4898]

It was made obvious very early on that the teams that made the OSTs for PGR weren't the ones who handled the OSTs on this one, which is weird since from the looks of it Vanguard Sound picks up any game that comes to them so it is just straight up confusing as to why they didn't approached them.

[@Sweet_Jelly39]

I think from 1.1 they did work with VSS again (I see it somewhere but i'm not sure..)

[@JohnathanTrinity]

​@@Sweet_Jelly39 they are but as dialog director, not music or sound director. So nothing changes.

[@Blazuchan]

Some said Vanguard is also busy

[@whatamess8894]

Who said it wasn't them? literally the official vgs website until 2023 showed that they were responsible, but this year it changed now they are no longer. But anyway, it can be said that a good part of the ost were made by them, as they were responsible until 2023. Haloweak, wich was was listed to compose Wuwa's songs, is back on pgr only this year

[@synraxx]

@@whatamess8894 Pretty sure there's only one thing confirmed to be made by them, which was a cbt menu theme called FLOW

[@shariqikram5832]

Maybe the sponsorship was the friends we made along the way

[@tsukiri_masho]

Real kuro enjoyer were like "finally open world PGR!!" Though nowadays, Wuwa is mostly full of frustrated ex-genshin players that wants to keep comparing wuwa to genshin From Kurogamer side, I agree that this is too much genshin, less PGR. Wuwa standalone, its really fun. But coming from PGR, I know, I KNOW they can do better, wayyy better At least I appreciate the Monster hunter rise, DMC, Nier & Pokemon aspect of the game. I enjoyed the direction of the Core Passive aka Forte Circuit

[@Gorden121]

About the copying Genshin, I feel like whoever was in charge just wanted them to copy everything as closely as possible without having any clue whatsoever why things are in Genshin the way they are. There's no way you would even copy the crappy designs if you have any sort of incling about if it's good design or not. "I don't know if it's good or bad or why it's there to begin with, just copy it"

[@kiki123456able]

I do sometimes think this way when playing the game. The level-gating of main story quests, for example, is one of my personal pet peeves, and the reason i quit GI. My interest to the story just slowly dwindle while grinding the next quest, and by the end of it i just couldn't care less, which is a shame because i was hooked in the beginning. Its not as bad here in wuwa, even though it's still exist, but at least with the deeper/more thoughtful combat system, the "grinding" is much more enjoyable. We'll see how it goes in the future.

[@Kryshnae]

​@@kiki123456ablefyi, they said they massively reduced the level gating for patch 1.1. At least for the main quest the lvl req dropped from 14 to 9, which is roughly 1 lvl off where you ended after the first main quest. Not gonna justify thats a great idea but i guess they dont want the players to consume every content day 1

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

Nah I'd copy.

[@Cr3zant]

@@kiki123456able It's interesting, you claim the deeper combat system makes the grinding more enjoyable but I actually find the opposite to be the case. Having to think more in combat and actually needing to do my rotations every time makes the grinding way more tiring and boring for me. Especially when I have to trek across 30 miles just to get another spectro damage bonus on my fusion echo. I also don't really think Genshin's combat system is less deep, it's just focused in a different way. WuWa is focused more on individual skill expression for the characters on their own where the only thing that matters for the rest of the team is what percentage of attack the outro bonus gives, whereas Genshin's is about the team and their elements and how those interact as a whole.

[@kiki123456able]

​@@Cr3zant"Individual skill expression" is a great way to describe it. And yes, imho, having a more involved combat always works in favor of character action games such as dmc, bayonetta, etc, and I do consider wuwa and others like pgr or honkai3rd as one, despite them being mobile gachas. When each character, 5 stars or not, has varied movesets, combos, and varied interactions between said movesets and the enemies, it makes grinding not necessarily enjoyable per se, but more interesting and less monotone to do/look at, because at least you get to do cool moves while doing it.

[@Lichtonatus]

Title is basically my feeling in a nutshell. I dont understand copying Genshin to such a degree without including the 4 years of QoL improvements Genshin has had. People who dont like Genshin arent going to play a Genshin-like; People who *love* Genshin arent going to jump ship; People who love PGR are toing to be disappointed by how little PGR is in the DNA. It's such a strange choice for anything but a pump and dump, which Im inclined to believe this isnt.

[@ronsongathus9634]

it's not strange, it's classic textbook executive meddling. The top guys/investors don't care how it works and why, just copy what the number 1 did; the thought of outdoing number 1 with different methods is such a foreign concept to them.

[@Chrisbun1]

4 years of qol is not a lot for Genshin honestly. Star rail paces far faster since they don't hate their playerbase

[@Lichtonatus]

@ron - you're absolutely right if course. Someone who's never played a game in their life will have said "can you just make that genshin thing and put a new logo on it". @Chri - and yet, theyre not included. Awkward.

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

Can you give me some examples of these "QoL improvements" Genshin has? I've played since 1.0 and every year I see players completely cr*p on Hoyo for never listening to their playerbase about the improvements wanted for the game. And whenever I've seen updates, it's always been something somewhat useful, but ultimately small, or completely meaningless, like the recent increase to friends and inventory. I don't think it's really fair to say that any open world gacha game is simply trying to be Genshin. I say this a someone who plays 4 gachas, about to be 5 with ZZZ. There's not much that gacha games as a genre can really do differently from one another, similar to how fighting games are all similar in having a 1v1 or 2v2 fight, with similar movesets of having combos, parry, blocking, special move, etc, and a story mode. Tekken, SF, DoA, MK, etc. Another example is Souls games having similar mechanics and gameplay. If you want to compare games like this, it'd be more accurate to compare, for example, Genshin to BotW. Extremely similar gameplay and mechanics, but different genres altogether. Not to say WuWa is perfect, there are issues. I for one find it annoying I can't use echos to level other echos and the game is stingy with echo level up material. Tacet Fields and other domains are way too expensive for little rewards, and no console support let alone controller support for mobile. The story makes no sense to me for now, we're just thrown into the middle of everything, and the voice acting is awkward and kind of bad (especially Yangyang). But at least stamina isn't decreased when running, I can swap characters whenever, combat is more intricate and rewarding, scaling walls and terrain is faster and easier. Overall, I think WuWa is a pretty fun and refreshing game. The character and world designs are beautiful, and there are aspects that make it feel more convenient than Genshin.

[@Eclin]

@@The_Celestial_Foxi’ve played since 1.0 too, and you can’t seriously say they have 0 impactful QoL. In 1.0 we have: -120 resin cap -no condensed resin -Artifact domain where you have to manually pick the artifact drops and run towards the area every time -characters that went for expedition can’t be used -no hotkey for items and foods -cooldown not resetting immediately after abyss reset -etc Some of it makes you think why they don’t implement it in the first place, but imagine if Genshin still had these after 3 years and WUWA ended up just copying it as is(like they did for curreny Genshin). And they didn’t have to completely copied the cash shop and premium currency system, that’s just really weird imo. Just because it’s a gacha game they don’t have to copy everything, it just makes everything feels stale. Other gacha games doesn’t feel the same because they use different system, but Genshin, HSR, and WuWa is basically the same game asides from the combat.

[@DinnyForst]

I play both Arknights and PGR as main mobile games, and Wuwa still needs a long way to improve and reach same point of PGR QoL level. For now, both Wuwa and GI share many same elements from progression to UI/tone design at least for me. I wish Kuro goes back to their track and bring original vision at some point while improving core combat and engaging activities. Great review!

[@raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334]

"Everyone in this book was a dick" True, but also hearing that as a Limbus player made that line even more funny.

[@kaiser9598]

Limbus Company.

[@memogaming5383]

It annoys me that they copied so many bad things from genshin. They should've looked at hsr that fixed many of those things and has way better QoL

[@Barro1]

They didn’t even have to look at HSR (well obviously they have but not the main point here lol), they have PGR already that never had some of the GI irritating things to begin with. And yet they went and copied GI, like wtf man…

[@kyarumomochi5146]

@@Barro1 Kuro is known for doing this. they have a GGZ and HI3 style games with same mechanics afterall

[@reversal3628]

@@kyarumomochi5146 Wait few years and we will get a turn base game from them.

[@selekvid]

​Not true for either of those games, but you do you. ​@@kyarumomochi5146

[@SmokuZnadPotoku]

???????????? It's Genshin who first copied infinite things from other games. Why are people so pissed when it comes to other games "copying from Genshin"?

[@gardenolva0282]

The problem with WuWa is that yeah they're literally copying Genshin UI which can be a nothing burger but at the same time Kuro could've done something unique with the UI. Other than that, gameplay has its difference from Genshin.

[@Rilandas]

The most objective WuWa review I saw. But it's too objective, I couldn't really tell, if you liked it despite drawbacks or not.

[@DrSilvergun]

Good feedback thanks I'd say I like it despite it's drawbacks but it could have been so much better if it leaned off genshin that it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[@Rilandas]

@@DrSilvergun Yeah... Same.

[@yojo8667]

Seeing all the beta stuff involving the story pained me, it could’ve been a lot less boring and the mc feeling more antagonistic both makes sense and sounds more interesting than what the story has given us. But I understand, no one tends to care about these stories and tend to skip them anyways, I’ll just sadly go back into reading books like the Wuthering Heights…

[@Cyr.ai.]

good review, despite your thoughts on how it turned out. i think the title really does say it all, it sucks that i move on from genshin only to find more genshin :/ on the brightside, it really makes me want to play pgr now because of wuwas combat lol

[@DrSilvergun]

kuro 4d chess multimillion $ ad to hook gensin players on pgr

[@lynca9530]

title is biblically accurate

[@Gavin-N]

As a long time PGR fan and having watched the stream of the closed beta I must say I'm disappointed with how WW turned out. I know Kuro can do so so much better. the Surviving Luciem being a PGR chapter that is well known in the community for having AMAZING writing, and while I don't expect them to match it I know they have the potential to do so.

[@whatamess8894]

Fun fact, the new writer of ww is the same girl that made the story for surviving luciem.

[@Gavin-N]

@@whatamess8894 I'm gonna need your source for that mate

[@whatamess8894]

@@Gavin-N Unfortunately the information is on CN's social media, I saw this information because I had contact with someone there but I no longer have contact with that person to tell you where exactly to see it. Maybe if you look on Chinese sites like tieba, baidu etc you can find discussions about it. but she appeared on the live stream of survive lucem on the chinese server, but on that same year she left pgr team(and you can see that the writer for pgr is a different girl on live streams) and went to work for tencent and then she returned to kuro but working on project nami(the 3rd game from kuro that has not been revealed yet) but after all the drama on ww she was redirected to be in charge of the writing for ww

[@Vadikus2424]

@@whatamess8894 so the source is that we just need to trust you. Gotcha

[@whatamess8894]

@@Vadikus2424 you can see by your self, going on cn social media, like o said. I cant post link so you have to do that by yourself

[@peacechan4500]

Im genuinely convinced this game is genuinely kuro biting more than it could chew. The most telling is the Vanguard studio only on the title theme only. The very apparent rush job they did in voice and performance. Hence they just copy genshin. This is kuro gambit basically if they flop, which I genuinely they almost did, kuro genuinely gonna be gone. Thankfully the core gameplay and being actively involved in hearing input from playerbase save this game from death. Now would they make a comeback? Genuinely i dont know. But the odds is always good on kuro when it comes to upgrade their games. Problem is do the player base even care or patients enough for it. Before it got snagged by azur promilia. Basically making wuwa another cult classic that always always left you wanting more, kinda what fate befall PGR. Like pgr of old is not the same from pgr now.

[@NeoSpira]

yeah when i playing pgr, before wuwa, i was always hoping for an open world pgr.... not genshin-lite. the only thing im grateful for is the ease of travel but other than that... :c i just wanted open world pgr

[@somefoolishfool]

Would be nice. I enjoy WuWa, but I do hope they make it more original

[@puenboy1]

0:00 100,000 sleeper agents of Project Moon

[@intermissionmint5936]

This sinner prefers to take action rather than wait for logic to dictate his course. His thoughts and feelings are blatantly visible in his demeanor, and he has no intention of hiding them; his brashness may cause headaches (or physical injury leading to a headache) in the process of forming a relationship. Please do note that this is not an indication of serious damage to the sinner's thought process. If his fit of rage persists, please contact the human resources department. Once you realize that he is the type that tends to be simple-minded, you'll have an easier time handling him.

[@baldwin3750]

Yeah, WuWa kinda feels like Genshin mod, the problem is, it's copying some of the bad things instead of getting rid of it like the weapon interface you mentioned. I personally don't like that I need to unlock mc dupes (sequence) with collecting Sonance Casket instead of just completing main quest and some of caskets hidden with mutterfly I mean like for lore perspective it doesn't make sense that I need to exchange my power to this npc with his robot which I don't even remember his name, at least in genshin it kinda make sense, collecting casket/oculus is the most boring thing ever that you can done in exploration for both game and the rewards is mid, if I can get 10 limited pulls every level I'll never complain about this, those casket finder is pricey to make with 10 red ores which you need to make for free 4 star weapon if you're f2p, most people basically just using guide video or interactive map to find it. For the story, I think this is the case where devs need to have their own vision instead of listening to feedback, the story is much better in cbt than what we had right now, where characters are wary of us instead of being friendly when we first met, this kinda make Kuro confused with how the world should works in WuWa, should we make a threatening world or vibrant world like genshin, which is impacting their music isn't memorable enough or lack identity for crucial part of the story or town that need to stand out, boss theme that I like the most is Aix, the futuristic sounds fits really well with the identity of their other game pgr while Dreamless theme is great but it's too dark souls type kind of music, I think the world music is okay with those lofi-ish music style.

[@vuvoinh2366]

when the world needed him most, he came back and needless to say he cook

[@Eclin]

“Doesn’t feel like Genshin combat wise but it does at everyting else” is basically it for me. The mechanics aren’t 100% the exact copy, but how it works in practice, how it look visually, and the game loop are uncannily similar to Genshin. I’ve been long switched to playing HSR from Genshin since it’s release, HSR has the exact same loop and also adopt the same system as Genshin(with auto as the saving grace), and i don’t feel like doing it the third time with WUWA.

[@ohama4272]

Wuthering Heights.. Heathcliff, Clear All...

[@somefoolishfool]

Round and round we go

[@dhmc45]

"Kill ourselves NOW, Heathcliff! "

[@insideyoribcage]

@@dhmc45 CATHYYYY

[@caramelTime]

​@@somefoolishfoolholding onto pain..

[@intermissionmint5936]

@@caramelTime These strands bandage and shackle me… When shall I be released?!!

[@touchme4856]

I tried playing it when i was bored in lectures but it was sooo laggy for me that i just deleted it

[@Kramer8]

The obvious explanation why they took many genshin elements is just because it's makes players easy to get used it. I'm sure it will be changed after some patches since Kuro frequently updating UI in PGR.

[@Kramer8]

4:35 I think it's a bit funny when you said "similar gameplay" But what you just do is showing UI and currency😂

[@DrSilvergun]

@@Kramer8 cause it's what ticks me off the most :D

[@r.d.6290]

Why they took in almost all the UI inconveniences from Genshin too?

[@wyatten5057]

​@@r.d.6290they prob just doing the fastest route for now bc the ui isn't the priority rn for them, and they prob think they can change them easily again later like how they did with pgr's ui

[@locke03]

Someday we will get an open-world action gacha game that is not functionally a lazy copy-paste of Genshin Impact, but today is not that day.

[@StablePlutonium]

Man this is the one. This is the review I was waiting for. Not some either continuous glazing or some shallow conclusions based on few hours of play (I get the first impression thing but we should not based the whole game off that only). Although GI copy cat features you mentioned here are anyways revealed during first 3 hours of the game. But many unique features of the game are best analysed when one has given enough time to play and test many aspects of the game not just one aspect. - Describe the game, what it is. - Describe the game functions and UI/UX - describe it's combat - describe things you can do aside from combat. - describe the problems you seem to encounter during the gameplay. - describe the story(?) and side quests. In total this is the kind of review we want for ANY game. And you did it great. Thank you. I understand this game was rushed and would have been in way better spot if not for the crunch of rewriting the story and over world rework. It should be improving with every patch from now on. The foundation is good and devs just need to consistent with its development (and please for the love of God do not succumb to petty requests made by fan base. Sure a few suggestions wouldn't hurt but maintaining your own vision is greatly important for a successful product)

[@okaebuddy]

long time lurker but script was funny and commentary was good even if u werent happy with it. keep it up bro, great stuff also delete aix

[@DrSilvergun]

No more Aix Club!

[@meronpania]

bro you're so funny. i love the brutal honesty and your humour. great video!

[@QDRG64]

Extra fun fact about Danjin that's not very obvious, her dodge counter atk and heavy atk have i-frames throughout the whole animation. Have fun w/ that information.

[@marielcarey4288]

This title has me cackling Personal review: too much waifu not enough Lingyang

[@jikau7374]

main reason i don’t play WuWa is I am already spending for BP in PGR and AG. Never played GI but tried ToF for 2 days, and really didn’t like having to endless roam around the map to farm materials and currency to get a small amount of pulls which is similar to WuWa. It also started to feel more like a chore trying to find the last ones that you missed. Only way I’d play WuWa is if it was better than PGR or AG (AG nightmare bosses are actually more insane than the hardest of PGR) but to me it sort of isn’t, and doesn’t make sense to drop PGR after all the investment.

[@hug-the-raccoon]

Looking foward for more of this!

[@YumeBoi]

yo, even tho you're not super happy with it, I think it's a great and balanced reveiw: you could have easily leaned into shitting on either genshin or this game for more "engagement" but you kept it informative and clear. I just wander why you didn't mention the door mode, since you had footage of it. I feel like that's another pretty cool inclusion in the gameplay loop and the possibility of them expanding the characters abilities even more works well with philosophy of the game. I hate that this game tries so hard to be genshin, because it could be so much more but I guess that's too hard to explain to management and I'll end by agreeing on the story being kinda of a slog, but with some interesting hook to it that they have to flesh out more or it dies on the generic hole of filler gacha stories (like genshin)

[@DrSilvergun]

i sorta forgot to talk about the roguelike. :D

[@YumeBoi]

@@DrSilvergun damn, is it that bad?

[@DrSilvergun]

@@YumeBoi as a roguelike it's very undercooked. too short and too easy to get super overpowered runs,too samey encounters. I love the idea of every char having their own unique upgrades but there's not enough meat around it fun once or twice then it's meh

[@EggySnoodle]

Something I found annoying was missing my intro skill or the big hit on Chixia’s skill on an enemy right in front of me because I was fighting in an uneven surface

[@lol-ot7ng]

the stuff in the first few mins about all the technical issues are SO TRUE. i literally had all of the exact same problems, but the thing is, im stuck playing it on my hard drive and it sucks, it takes so long to load and its so laggy (still) even tho genshin plays perfectly on the same one. its so frustrating, ive just been playing on my tablet and it works fine but i'd really like to play on my computer, i guess not tho lol

[@gaburaisuknakrack4620]

i wish this had chapters so you could visually see the less than two minutes spent on the story

[@ilovehoneyberryfromarknights]

Huh you already read wuthering heights play limbus company and reach canto 6 Since it based on that book

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

Wuwa looks like Kuro works for Mihoyo, but something went wrong.

[@volfarr2901]

holy shit limpeak reference /j joking aside really loved your review as a long time lurker, hope this will gain decent traction and you can keep branching out in the future. cheers bro 🥂

[@DrSilvergun]

thanks bro

[@seakay17]

Hey first time watching your vids and I find your script pretty funny. Just a small comment on volume side, when you are explaining about Danjin, her voice is too high and I cant hear your explanation well. Unless its intentional as a joke.

[@DrSilvergun]

The joke is i'm bad at editing :D

[@sageyuuto]

the tower resets every 2 weeks btw, the end timer was bugged for like 3 weeks so some people might have missed some rewards if they don't actively check it

[@BillyONeal]

God that book was fucking awful... oh its a game review

[@doctorkuroshi]

So should I play PGR? I'm a casual (lore focused) player than grinder/competitive type. While I prefer to stay commited to one gacha game to focus on the gacha currency saving, but oftenly I also want to casually explore other anime action scifi game, and gosh, PGR has great soundtrack and ... well I still don't know. I assume if I like the aesthetics and theme of Arknights, I'd like PGR too, so...

[@DrSilvergun]

According to my friend who plays PGR - You can get every char for free if you farm regularly no 50/50. I've only played it a bit but story I read wasn't horrible. Combat is extremely flashy and over the top so if that's something you're into give it a try.

[@doctorkuroshi]

@@DrSilvergun many thanks!

[@kiki123456able]

If you're looking for a great story, sadly the first 8 or so chapters of PGR are, let's just say, not great, and the lack of voice acting also doesn't help. But shortly after that, the story gets exponentially more interesting, and imo there's quite a stark jump in writing/music quality for later chapters.

[@yearslate9349]

The lore side of PGR is a bit weaker than Arknights, but it is much more consistent in narrative theming and updating the main story. A new update happens every month, with every other update being to the main story. These story updates aren't small by any means either, so it's actually kind of wild seeing the story practically be serialized. The game is technically competitive, as the weekly game modes will rank you on a player leaderboard, but it feels more like a way to measure your own growth as a player. 95% of the rewards from these modes are given just for participating.

[@PrabuAzazel]

Wut ??? PGR more competitive because of Dungeon based and also there are leaderboards

[@pathalenvivaldi7811]

Perfect Dark Souls music cut in when comparison time happened. XD Also, hey I haven't played Genshin! I have some class now. :D

[@DrSilvergun]

KINGS FIELD!

[@pitagor2]

Banger review (I have not played Wuthering Waves)

[@RitmeFPS]

it's hard to find objective reviews, glad that i found one

[@a_verner]

Great video! Now i 100% sure i don't want to play this Sooooooooo, ZZZ review next? :)

[@ayatoshintaro7565]

Lol silverguns complaints are exactly the same as mine. I played pgr and thought they did so much better at pgr launch than wuwa. Theres so much I hate at wuwa even tho I like the gameplay more than genshit

[@DrSilvergun]

Cause Genshin knows what it is Wuwa is confused.

[@Pheonee]

​@@DrSilvergun this is so true... genshin knows what it is to such a degree as to be almost detrimental, since no matter how much the vocal minority online complain about lack of "endgame", genshin still insists on remaining a slow-paced exploration game with generally easy combat

[@jonnevitu4979]

genshin: 50-60 fps on fights 🗿 wuwa: fights the fps while on stand by 💀 I tried to play the game but...lmao

[@lapis.d3i]

Playing wuwa is like brand new genshin acc with dark apocalyptic theme, thanks for that I'm more interested to zzz. Gonna hop for new shiny things and decided which one I should keep or drop..

[@craz859]

good review and i agree w all the points. Still gonna play it cause im dumb and gacha games provide me a sense of fulfillment when i get a new chara. ( i still play genshit too so u know how bad it is)

[@soosboons4444]

As a person who plays Genshin and got into WuWa since launch I do like that they are similar enough (so I could pick it up easier while still having enough identity to not feel like playing a genshin mod like you said. I think right now just the settings and the combat make it a huge point for my enjoyment for sure (guns and scifi my beloved) and for many people who like the same settings to carve out a niche in the market. I hope they can iron out the performance isssues in the future and keep reinforce or expand on their identity more and to improve on what Genshin lacks. Also Chixia best girl.

[@squidtest]

With recent update, jinsi S6 R5 can one shot bosses even a freakin hologram diff VI. Shit's so broken that becomes a genshin character. Now every upcoming char need to meet that level of broken-ness to satisfy whaler or they stop spend their money for the game. And that's it we will gonna see a bunch of Damage check, instead of skill check even for a game than come from non hoyo developer

[@myonwontstfu]

Back in genshin I realized I don't actually like open world, especially when it's mobile. All it ends up doing is taking too much of my time with stuff like dailies that should be integrated into how you want yo play the game, not dictate what to do. And a bunch of other issues I had that piled up into a big mount. So I stopped playing it. And when people started hyping up this game and I took a look at what it is... it was a very quick "yeah I won't like this". I do play PGR, btw. Character designs is another big-ger reason, and while better than in genshin, they're still same-y and trope-y. At least PGR tries to be its own thing.

[@thanoof]

8:27 Wanted to play it in the past but when I gave it a try it ran at 15 FPS or something and lost almost all interest.

[@yearslate9349]

I miss 100% rate-up on new characters so much...

[@8kman0]

I have a feeling that the "boss junk" - i.e. ultra fast and hard to react-to moves from Bosses are big danger to this game. There is currently barely any lasting content in WuWa EXCEPT for higher combat challenges (Tower of Adversity and Holograms) - but this content in higher difficulties it is quite punishing. People like to complain about lack of challenging content in games, but in the end, most will not tolerate being wiped because they dont have great reflexes. For a while maybe, but then they will quietly leave for something more accessible. You have high-end combat in other games too ofc, but those games also have million other things to do - think many old MMO games high-end raiding, which make barely 5%-10% of what you can do in those games. Not only WuWa does not have that other content, it is not MMO. So there is no social aspect to keep you around.

[@pathalenvivaldi7811]

Here, Silvergun lets slip his favorite pokemon is Rotom, and probably the washing machine version. :D

[@Mysteltaint]

oh... prototype, nostalgic.

[@defaulted9485]

I have 3 worries when playing a 3D ARPG game. 1. It's far too removed from the QoL of games I've played. 2. It's way too similar to one that already exists. 3. It attracts the rabid fanbase that people are actively avoiding. So you can imagine how I feel reading that it's too much Genshin.

[@skyhight3]

The game was not rdy for release, i feel like a year from now after they fix/improve all the major problems and they add some more end game content, the game will be a banger. The complete story rewrite was stupid, they should have just altered some things, the current story is incredibly boring and full of pointless dialog, the lack of a VA director for EN made the voice acting very inconsistent, the auto player is always cutting the voice acting before it ends as well, it's so annoying. I feel like they were cutting corners bc the money was running low, but now they made a ton of money, and they need to fix a lot of stuff, they have no excuses left, but some of this things take time, so we will see. I can't rly recommend the game right now, but i think it will get there.

[@laststand2352]

cool review

[@adyammarprimadi8806]

see you another 3 weeks

[@byeguyssry]

23:26 Most likely, the parts you saw were the hand-picked good parts. This is because the original story had some parts that were better than the current one... but also parts that were worse. I haven't actually looked at the entire original story, but for instance, one part that people liked about the old story was when Chixia had her gun pointed towards you as she was weary of you. However, this was apparently after you fought monsters to help Yangyang (her friend) out, so this does still make sense, it just characterizes Chixia as someone very distrustful... which she isn't. So instead of placing this moment somewhere where it makes sense... they just removed it

[@DrSilvergun]

I saw a full playthrough of the first act unedited other than chixia being a bitch for no reason everything was outright better. It's entirely possible that there was pure shit later in the story that I didn't see. The chixia thing was hilarious btw She spent the whole first act being super mad at you for no reason

[@e100pavel]

I did not expect I'll laugh so hard my heart would hurt when I clicked on this. Personally I find myself being a target audience for this game more than for genshin. Even the story, while being riddled with issues, feels kinda... livelier than genshin's? Kinda too early to tell

[@vaynep]

review video ✘ funny video ✔

[@schlop1771]

Jaye 👍

[@juuryoushin6181]

Danjin is very cute Yeah that's all I have to say

[@SnowscapeEclipse]

not related at all nor do i want to cause anything but does anyone remember when Sucrose from Genshin's design was compared to Pandoria from Xenoblade Chronicles 2

[@Paul-vv5ql]

2:47 you waited for 3 mins on exposition when the skip button was smiling, just waiting to be pressed😃

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

I have to agree. It tries too hard to copy Genshin just because it's open world.

[@Pheonee]

YAYYY i love your scripted content! your scripts are funny and your assessments are very reasonable. thoroughly enjoyed this video. i have to try really hard not to be mean when i see people who purport to HATE genshin but LOVE wuwa because the games just don't have enough differences for that to make sense to me, unless the gap is purely aesthetic. also, I re-opened the game today after a few weeks' break and found my character in a place I'd never been before and did not choose to log out in, getting aggro'd by high level enemies, losing health to an environmental DOT, and then 25 seconds later the app crashed. so I gave it a fair try but it's maybe just not meant to be

[@DrSilvergun]

that's an impressive bug lul

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

As much as I love Wuthering Waves, that title isn't exactly wrong. The dormitory feature in PGR is something that I would want in WuWa because Kuro Games is very good at making skins. Like you mentioned, the multi-challenge is something that would make the materials farming less tedious.

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

I can be very patient with a game within 2 years and if it doesn't or barely improves, I'll quit the game (like I did with Genshin)

[@colonelsouffle3042]

It’s a bit of a shame, I was never really into Genshin or open world gachas and I hoped WuWa would be different because Kuro did such a good job with PGR As it stands I don’t know who this appeals to because Genshin players will just stick to Genshin, and PGR players won’t find much PGR DNA in WuWa either. It’s still funny that we got a Vera equivalent here though. Good review, I appreciate you being objective and elaborating on your points.

[@scottycheesecake]

I am somebody who has never played Genshin so thanks for that, I'm Arknights only as far as mobile gaming is concerned, no other games in my mobile devices

[@kael070]

Calcharo got sephiroth vibes, 9/10 i didn't even play the game 😂👌

[@burpium1767]

This game feels too uncannily similar as genshit and thus I'm not touching it at all 😂

[@lynling7830]

Fr, i thought beta players are exaggerating when they said it feels too genshin, now that im playing it, I couldn't agree more. Good thing it has a skip button, it made me stay and see where this is gonna go. I hope they put it in the main story too tho 😂

[@MarionFR]

Hello! This review is very VERY interesting, with all those details and observations, it's much different than popular loud WuWa - Genshin comparisons, discussions whether WuWa is a Jenshin copy or Jenshin killer, etc etc... One thing though - what WuWa lacks from PGR??? Despite this being the whole point of your review... you said practically nothing about it 0_0 You have only elaborated on 'copying' Jenshin. Maybe second part of your statement is obvious to you, but not for all people who watch your video, you know? Some even... haven't played PGR before, while would be very interested in your thoughts on that.

[@DrSilvergun]

tldr not enough fighting PGR is closed arena's where you fight enemies and bosses. It's doesn't have the open world loot cycle of genshin chest and such. So what a lot of people would want is for the combat to be a more central part of the gameplay. Instead it's like genshin where you spend most of your time chest hunting and only have some endgame content with difficult fights. If the openworld had interesting encounters more frequently it would play like a very diffrent game.

[@nbruns10]

I tried WuWa for about 2 weeks and it just felt too similar to genshin. Yes traversal is better and they've given plenty of free pulls. Combat is a little more complex, but then again, combat isn't as fun as when I play zelda, other MMOs with tons of skill buttons, or hollow knight. Other than those pros, exploration, UI, cooking, etc. all felt similar to genshin. Music and aesthetics are inferior to genshin imo. I do play genshin casually, about every other day, and I don't have it in me to play a game like WuWa that gives a similar feel and is as time consuming. To me the game lacks charm in a way. Where is its identity when it has such an info dump story and bland music tracts? Plus it outright runs more poorly on my laptop than genshin. I spent a lot of time adjusting my settings and updated my drivers to get the game to function pretty well, but it still has lag when I play. And the targeting in the game...honestly I think it's clunky. Is it a bad game? No, it's pretty good. Is it better than Genshin? Honestly, it isn't. People argue to high heaven it's a straight up upgrade in every way, but I feel like WuWa is only an upgrade in some ways and a downgrade in others. If Genshin wasn't stingy as hell and added new endgame modes before 2024 then people probably wouldn't hate on it as strongly.

[@elkingoh4543]

Omg, this Guy playing Total War!! What TW game you play, Rome 2??

[@DrSilvergun]

Have played rome 1 shogun medieval and warhammer 1 and 2

[@elkingoh4543]

@@DrSilvergun Based, you should make Total War campaign videos

[@byeguyssry]

22:02 Excuse me? That's the only enemy I hear complaints about lmao

[@DrSilvergun]

Diffrent sources :D I haven't heard any, even tho he's a broken piece of shit.

[@Barro1]

Was expecting a bit deeper and more thorough analysis from a 25m video honestly :D Nonetheless, no sugarcoating, no hating, so a nice one. I'm probably one of those enjoying wuwa less than your average player who've never heard of PGR because I really wanted Kuro to expand on PGR ideas and I'm still coping they are going to change those things they copied from GI to PGR-esque in the future (although very unlikely). Also it's always a treat seeing wuwa fanboys shitting on GI when they are mostly identical lol. Like how they hate that IGN gave wuwa a 7 when they gave GI a 9 yet ignoring the fact that GI got a 9 back in 2020 because it was THE first of its kind and it was during a covid, and if it were to release in 2024 in its 2020 state... I doubt it would've gotten anything more than 7. Also wanted to add that Kuro changing some irritating things here and there in 1.1 and I believe there was a rumor they've hired more writers soon after the release, so with all of that in mind I hope to see wuwa carving more of its own path rather than copying GI in the future.

[@DrSilvergun]

yeah it's why I said I'm unhappy with the vid as a whole. I cut a lot of stuff cause I couldn't make them work well in the vid. Really needed a 2nd draft but I didn't have the energy for it and I spent too long on this video to not post it. Lessons learned for the future I suppose.

[@NekousagiKorou]

21:17

[@adamvegas5951]

Well you have successfully convinced me to not play this game great review! Man I hate that UI also cool to find another prototype enjoyer

[@Vadikus2424]

While I'm still playing this game cause I'm hooked by the upcoming chars (typical gacha game moment), this game is an absolute flop. Just like what you said, EVERYTHING about this game except for the combat is absolutely horrendous. Even ToF 1.0 is far better than whatever this is. I'm so disappointed cause after all that CBTs and yet the game is still a piece of garbo. Can't wait for EoS in 1.5

[@stryke42]

A better Genshin is what they were aiming for. To me they succeeded.

[@dan2800]

Laptop HDD god forbid that it's a sin in the IT I wonder if genshin due to being composed of shit ton of small files benefits HDD due to if game is needing a chunk of data it returns faster because it's a small file compared to 5GB files mounted virtually also WuWa logging is pretty damn aggressive so that doesn't help HDD Genshin system of getting dailies points from collecting rewards from events is missing in wuwa From technical standpoint it's a hot garbage written mainly in fuckin JavaScript and really unhealthy amount of SQLite databases like holy shit I've never seen so many databases in one place add some python, typescript and fuckin batch all running on puerts a plugin for unreal engine to write games in JavaScript, typescript and others put all that together and you just got your self WuWa Also is that a Russian accent

[@enrichment3797]

Soft pity at 70 :)

[@Prodigal450]

Pgr has the same top up and battle pass but all you see is genshin asifthey invented batle pass and top up smh

[@mammothmk3355]

So.... *I guess the curse of " Whatever Killer" claim another victim.* Just as Killzone flopped hard trying to be "Halo Killer", Wuthering Waves will go the same route.

[@somefoolishfool]

Doesn’t seem like it at the moment, but it is a possibility

[@dazai-san47]

the game genuinely does look very pretty though. like the texturing and animation on the models is really, really good; the characters are super expressive and the different materials on their outfits are textured differently. but as you said it's a buggy mess and the story is just not it. there's some genuinely good parts in the story but the main quest is just kind of not well written bc it just feels like everyone is sucking rover's dick and none of the characters really have relationships with characters outside of them. the best writing in the game is unironically the NPC side quests because they're... not focused on rover. anyway thanks for the lock-on explanation i needed that

[@kiki123456able]

This is actually surprising to me because at first, I was thinking "why is my PC struggling with this, graphically it's basically the same as GI". Then when I compare them side by side, it turns out wuwa's visuals are actually prettier by quite a lot, and my mind just goes, "oh... I guess that's why"😅

[@Chrisbun1]

Its funny to hear about sucking rover off when Genshin suffers the opposite, as the traveller is the weakest charafter and gets no appreciation for their actions outside of Sumeru

[@SageRuffin]

@@Chrisbun1 While going Hydro certainly did Aether/Lumine no favors, many playable characters say something akin to "My life has changed so much after meeting you~!" with some sounding like they're about to nut just from standing too close (e.g. Ayaka, Nilou). Hell, Navia's release trailer has her specifically searching Fontaine high and low for Aether/Lumine and looking like a lovestruck idiot in the process (there's a part where she literally stumbles into foiling a robbery attempt), a far cry from the confident and stylish detective(?) we got in the archon quest.

[@dazai-san47]

@@kiki123456able haha i don't actually play genshin but i do play hsr. i'm an artist (and do fanart) so i do pay attention to design and whatnot, and one of the first things i noticed was the texturing and animation difference. i will say that this doesn't mean the character designs themselves are particularly strong. i don't think they're bad per se but while they're definitely more "realistic" (as in they make slightly more sense) than hoyoverse's, they're also less appealing imo, just because the designers stuck to the same palettes and themes, and the character silhouettes are kind of weak.

[@dazai-san47]

@@Chrisbun1 I don't play Genshin, but I do actually prefer that to whatever is going on in wuwa. One of the main reasons why I like the Arknights stories is that the Doctor isn't the center of everything. Their presence in the story is either nonexistent or important but not the focus, and they have different relationships with different operators; some like them, others are indifferent, and others just outright hate them. The Doctor is their own character, but because they are representative of "us," the players, their personality is very much muted. As a result they need to take a backseat to the characters with actually fleshed out personalities and backstories or else it shines too much light on how little character the Doctor actually has. Wuwa fails in this department because it can't figure out whether it wants Rover to be a blank slate for the players to project on or an actual character. It tries to do both and fails miserably on both fronts because of it. Rover has too much character and autonomy to be a blank slate (they are Cool and Strong and Smart AND Fast) but not enough character to carry the narrative the way the story wants them to. While Arknights hides the Doctor's lack of actual character by letting them stay on the sidelines, Wuwa sticks Rover into the spotlight and illuminates their cardboard personality for everyone to see.

[@ameri7260]

Well I want to play genshin but i hate the real genshin game , so ill play the upgrade Knowing kuro , the "genshin look" is just a base line for better stuff in the future, their 1.1 upcoming characters are already better than all genshin characters combined its not even close .. that alone tells much

[@ReCrystX]

Genshin player here, I have 0 interest in playing WuWa even before checking out what is it about. After I've seen things about WuWa, I'm glad that I made the right choice. Many things feels like straight up copy from Genshin, just like any so called "G killer" but worse because even the numbers of currencies and prize are 1:1. But of course, like every other "G killer", WuWa have somewhat different methods of combats and equipments (genuinely think that's the only appeal that WuWa has). But of course, WuWa was just released while Genshin is well over 4 years now, so comparing them isn't very justifiable, aside from the fact that WuWa team have somewhat 4 years to spectate everything that happens around Genshin and its playerbase, improving whatever Genshin is lacking. One of the thing that they successfully did is to bombard players with gacha currencies every 3 days or so, making them look "generous", which appeals to 90% (or even more, im just estimating here) gacha players. Genshin could never.

[@reedchanuoughh]

WuWa player here, yes this game copies a lot from GI, though the game never address itself as an GI killer in the first place. Even before the CBT 2 release, many people already realised that this game is more of a GI competitor instead. Bombard with gacha currencies is needed though, due to the disaster called "Wuwa release", they can do nothing but try to fix the issues give tons of currencies in hope that the playerbase wouldn't leave them. Just if you don't know the gacha brainrots will actively call out any gacha game that's open-world "GI killer" anyway. Kyostinv's Arknights: Endfield stream mods have to ban those who say "genshin" just because of how many people say "Genshin copy" or "Genshin killer"(spoiler: it's not) during the first stream.

[@ReCrystX]

@@reedchanuoughh No game really dubs themselves as the "G killer", it is the players. I've seen some fair share of gacha games giving out a crap ton of free stuff to make more people interested in playing, but at least WuWa has the ability to back it off with good gameplay and environments. I just hope that it doesn't come back to bite them in the back, when they stop giving out free pulls (I believe GI back in the day was also pretty generous, but look at them now and how the playerbase reacted). I've only watched a bit of Endfield, even I know that the core game loop is different, you could say that its like building base in Arknights, but 3D and you also get adventures

[@PrabuAzazel]

Smart review 👍 Not super idiotic and dumb review like what Kukki did

[@CrucibleOfHate]

I'm not going to watch this video because I can't play WW on my linix pc so I don't actually care, but from the beta I played I agree with the title. Punishing Gray Raven was ass in a lot of ways but it had one of the best combat systems in gaming, and Wuthering Waves just plays like Genshin Impact.

[@novyknec1113]

Kurogames is a flop as a company 😂 makes a hi3rd copy but gets released terrible, 2 years later it gets hyped by some song but now the "hardcore" gameplay is dumbed down. Then years later they attempt to release their take on genshin, release the same bs as genshin but somehow worse (shittier story, not engaging exploration, worse artifact system that looks good from the outside, uninteresting characters) Hopefully the upcoming releases learn to not copy genshin because people already have enough of it (it has been 3 years almost 4) and come with something new and fresh instead

[@user-jy4fp3xm4x]

The verifying files issue is because you have the game installed on hdd instead of sdd.

[@DrSilvergun]

cept i installed it on both lol

[@whompgromp]

king's field music... oh yeah nice review if only kuro didn't copy like 99% of genshin lol

[@wheelotime2581]

Damn game looks good but so much yapping Thank god for the skip button