X-Men Destiny - What Happened?

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GamesIndustry - Activision Expands Alliance Through New Licensing Agreement With Marvel
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NeoGAF - A post-mortem of Silicon Knights (Mama Robotnik research thread)
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Kotaku - What Went Wrong With Silicon Knights' X-Men: Destiny?
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[@MattMcMuscles]

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[@thaijohnson100]

love you mat

[@johnkimball9716]

Any possibility it gets a Switch port or is it too good?

[@nathanrodriguez8678]

Love your work matt your the best question can you do a what happened of battle field earth why is the worst movie of all time behind the scene.

[@matteddleblute4266]

Hopefully this jam comes to consoles

[@silverphoenix34]

So… it’s DOOM meets Call of Cthulhu? SIGN ME THE HECK UP!

[@CornBreadtm1]

"You can't give Juggs a health bar, he literally can't lose health..." SK devs: "Doesn't seem important." Marvel: "It's important."

[@vetreas366]

Marvel: "Also let me send you this encyclopedia explaining why that is. Here's hoping you're literate!"

[@TheOnlyTherazan]

Depends how it's handled too, I guess. Marvel's Ultimate Alliance 3 does show love and knowledge towards Marvel lore, and the Juggernaut fight has an HP bar as the win condition. The big difference is, in the post-fight cutscene, Juggernaut is neither hurt or even tired at all, and the heroes can only get away because Colossus locks himself with him in a Danger Room.

[@ozzyfanatic666]

@@TheOnlyTherazan Well said! Love MUA 3 for a lot of cool comic accuracy!

[@mattmur7725]

Juggernaut has a fore-field around his body that you need to penetrate to even inflict damage to him.

[@Babamarcus2632]

@@ozzyfanatic666 That videogame is the main reason I have the switch until this day

[@obsessivelyobsessed5263]

a "make your own mutant" X-Men RPG is EXACTLY the game I want in my life and I'm so sad this is likely the closest we'll ever get

[@vitorgabrielps]

With the recent success of the Marvel licensed Spider Man games and the release of Hogwarts Legacy, which has basically that same "create your own" premise but using the Harry Potter universe, I'm hopeful that maybe in the future we may have something along these lines. Don't lose your hopes.

[@satch4684]

midnight suns is it, not exactly that close, but kinda. we just dont get anything mainly focused on x-men anymore

[@VVhirl]

@@satch4684 Don't worry, when the X-men finally breach the mcu we'll have more x-men then we actually want

[@satch4684]

@@VVhirl yea quite a while away unfortunately. And ofc depends how that goes down....the games will copy the movies, which for me didn't work out well at all during the old xmen film era

[@ILove2EatUranium]

​@@VVhirlThat's not gonna happen for a long while.

[@crossbones116]

It's a shame because the idea of 'play as an original X-Man in the middle of a mutant conflict' is a really cool concept for a game.

[@johnnygyro2295]

While Magma wasn't an OC, X-Men Legends 1 looked like a better execution of the concept.

[@michaelcasey1648]

@ThunderChild247 technically Lego games count

[@LikeMadCops]

If they would just make X-Men legends with a character creation suite. The dream.

[@Esitaro3670]

​@@michaelcasey1648 oh man, i have flashbacks to Lego DC Super Villains, that was a good game

[@HeirofAzaran]

That's what everybody thought on this game was first announced. I would have given it a try if it turned out to be good

[@shuboy05]

I'm surprised the video didn't address the LONG Special Thanks section of the credits. According to Kotaku, there was so much employee turnover on X-Men Destiny that Denis Dyack REFUSED to credit ANY people who quit Silicon Knights by the time the game got finished. This is a massive issue since having your name in the main credits means it can be corroborated when potential employers go over your resume. Dyack basically stated that if you left during production your name WOULD NOT appear in the credits (and Dyack's wife being in charge of HR at Silicon Knights meant you couldn't complain without Denis finding out). It's still not clear what happened but TWO WEEKS before release Silicon Knights decided to credit EVERYONE except that those names would only appear in the "Special Thanks" section. It's believed that Activision caught wind of Dyack removing the credits and they forced him to add the names back.

[@Slop_Dogg]

It sounds like they got spooked by potential litigation.

[@lemon8890]

Seriously I don't want to have my resume tainted by have being know to make this garbage

[@darkhero-3097]

That Juggernaut story is gonna be a favorite of mine. It’s such a perfect comedy moment right there. “Hey, this boss fight is super inaccurate to the character, here’s a decently simple to mitigate that. Otherwise the parent company won’t approve.” “Ehhhhh it’s fine, who gives a shit.” *Parent Company literally sends source material and the freaking encyclopedia.*

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

On the plus side, free Marvel Encyclopedia!

[@christophergarcia9022]

they thought it was the 90s/80s where they could just throw whatever bossfight they wanted into licensed games

[@Aliens1337]

Sending encyclopedias was the most passive aggressive thing I have seen lol.

[@bryansellner2943]

So funny and tragic lol

[@victorpleitez768]

I bet you anything they blamed Julian for that embarrassing moment.

[@LeprechaunZombie]

That Juggernaut boss fight anecdote was just oof... Apparently the character's ACTUAL SUPERPOWER is just an "unimportant detail". If they're going to ignore stuff like that, then who did they even think their audience was?

[@lordlundar]

I do like Marvel's reaction to it though. Not just a refusal of the idea but a "here, READ THIS YOU IDIOTS!" response.

[@motherplayer]

I imagine this is an Ed Wood thing. "No one is going to notice that! Life is not about the little things, it's about the big picture."

[@Iffem]

@@motherplayer though in this case, the big picture was a building side sized mural of Juggernaut yelling "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE" while taking a Cyclops blast to the tits

[@ironmaster6496]

Not only is an important detail (bacauset that's literally the character's whole thing) It really shows how much they did not care about the franchise. i mean take the DBZ tenkaichi games for exampler there: if you are kid goku you can't turn into a giant monkey if there's no moon on the stage BUT if you choose an elite saiyan like vegeta and co they do the whole artificial moon thing like the show, was it neccesary? maybe not, but details like that and how Cell searches for the android when you want to trasnform him, or how you can do the fusions when you have the neccesary characters on your team and so on shows that the people behind the team CARED about the franchise and wanted to make it as fateful as possible which makes the game even better

[@seraphinamcholland8353]

Oughta be a quiz for licensed games "Show me you know this stuff before we let you have our property."

[@SuperNerdDaniel]

Denis Dyack hindering the development of an X-Men game is pretty ironic considering the dude has a last name that makes him sound like a C-tier comic book villain

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@Road_to_Dawn]

I freaking LOVE that backhanded burn Marvel themselves delivered sending the encyclopedia. Silicon says “Hey, what do you think about this Juggernaut fight”, and Marvel all but passes them the actual freaking source material xD That is GOLDEN.

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

It's a subtle way of saying: "Do. SOME. RESEARCH."

[@Kittysune12]

man i missed old marvel now disney marvel is just eh...we doing it for MCU funny moments compilations

[@EmperorSeth]

In fairness, Juggernaut was a standard boss in older Marvel brawlers like the classic X-Men arcade game. But I also get how standards may have changed for a larger, more narrative-heavy game over a decade later.

[@MIGHTYBOOSCH198]

@@Gatorade69 There was also X-Men Wolverine on PS2 where in a prison level you fight Juggernaut in an electric cage.

[@Gunplabro]

@@MIGHTYBOOSCH198 wolverine vs juggernaut is a classic match up tho

[@TheZackofSpades]

The real hilarious part of the story though is that (according to the dude talking, naturally) his advice was 100% ignored…they didn’t want advice they just wanted approval and moving on.

[@johnclasing4627]

Well, that's true but it's also true that Juggarnaut had a LONG history of being invincible dating back to XMen 2 Clone Wars on genesis (yeah, they beat the Star Wars movie franchise to the punch haha)

[@redgrave4492]

True, I still remember his boss fight in X-Men Legends. Though I'm pretty sure the resolution to the fight was the loss of his helmet then being mind controlled.

[@GenerationWest]

Julian Spillane is my hero after this, because good lord, man is Atlas trying keep this project afloat as long as he could. Not only did they take funds away to try to make another game later, but an X-Men game, something they weren't a fan of... I would've burned Silicon Knights to ground if the hands of fate didn't already did, and keeps doing it from the looks of it. I hate that this is the last X-Men game since then, gotta rebuild that franchise up by the time Marvel Studios uses them.

[@jdellabeat6245]

Especially we are in an interesting place in the current X - Men comics. Imagine a game setting in the Krokoa era that we're currently in.

[@koifish835]

Since Disney will likely be making a big push towards X-Men stuff soon I can see another game happening in the next couple years. At the very least we know Insomniac is making a Wolverine game so that's a step in the right direction. Maybe that could lead to a full on X-men game down the line.

[@jdellabeat6245]

@@koifish835 If there's any developer that I want to see make an X-Men game, it'll mostly be either Monolith Soft (I want a full X-Men Tactics-esque RPG) or Atlus.

[@ayylmao575]

Unfortunately, Atlas’s efforts in keeping X Men Destiny afloat only amounted to a Shrug.

[@JulianSpillane]

This comment made my day. Thank you so much!

[@MercuryCDX]

I remember hearing this game was rough. Wonder wh- "...Denis Dyack..." -oh.

[@ddjsoyenby]

"how could silicon kni *remembers dennis dyack was in charge without nintendo meddling* oh yeah that.......makes sense"

[@thinkstoomuch4445]

Unfortunately, Denis Dyack became somewhat of a tool after “Eternal Darkness”. He’s a big reason why Silicon Knights eventually went under.

[@ddjsoyenby]

yeah he was astoundingly incompetent.

[@thinkstoomuch4445]

@@ddjsoyenby Yep, makes you wonder how he was even able to led “Eternal Darkness” into a cult classic. Beginner’s luck I guess, but he should have stayed humble with his initial success. Instead, he destroyed all the good will people had for him.

[@CannotFindServerSA]

As I recall, Eternal Darkness was also a total mess at one point and Nintendo had to send Miyamoto over to rescue it.

[@brittanybecker170]

@@thinkstoomuch4445 , the game stick has its rough spots. I love but elder gawds, there are a few things that need more polish. * side eyes the menu system and that one boss fight in the cathedral *

[@brittanybecker170]

Thank you for saying this. Its sad to see him fall down the tinfoil hat hole.

[@thalesn]

Anyone that has ever attempted anything in game development will relate to Julian's last statement there. Many ignorant people say things like "oh, these devs are just lazy", but they don't realize that, in game development, even the simplest thing might have enormous complications and that a single wrong thing might bring the whole system down. So yeah... Just getting a game to a shippable state is a huge achievement, every time, and requires a lot of dedication. The "oh these devs are just lazy" thing is almost never the reason for the flaws of a game.

[@NGMK]

As much as I want to agree with you (game dev is hard work), SK clearly were phoning it in with the game and it came to bite their asses and it wasn't just management. Sure there were some that wanted the project to work (like Julian), but when core team treats their only funded as secondary if not tetriary objective while daydreaming about how great are the games they actually want to make, few good apples can't save the project. What I'm trying to say is that devs weren't lazy - they just didn't care (with the exception of the few).

[@seanm.collins9888]

Denis have been trying to make games for 12 years now with Deadhaus being the latest. Denis is a dreamer that have trouble executing. The only reason ED is good is because of Nintendo.

[@registereduser]

Feels like when a game comes out and it sucks, most likely there’s a WH episode that could be made about it.

[@RJRedtail]

​@@NGMK Saying the team in general was lazy still isn't fair. It seems more like the higher-ups in the studio considered the game a low priority, but the people working hands-on with the game were still trying their best with what little they had, and under poor leadership.

[@NGMK]

@@RJRedtail It literally is stated in the video that team started treating it as lower priority.

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

The sad thing is that an X-Men RPG where you create your own mutant is a really good idea. I would love for a good, bigger game based around that premise to get made.

[@Bman32x]

Mass Effect but it’s in the X-Men neighborhood of the marvel universe sounds amazing.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

As a comic book fan, I can tell you that your *onslaught* of puns are appreciated.

[@rainingcomplete3018]

A real dazzler of a reference

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Getting a guy who isn't a fan of X Men to develop an X Men game? Yeah, not a great plan.

[@Rodrigo_Vega]

This happens a lot. Companies don't miss out on big projects just because the people in charge are not fans of a franchise. If you are extremely lucky you might get someone who's just passionate about artistic media in general and even if they are not _fans_ of the IP at hand, they'll crash-course it's lore and try to get into (or at least respect) the core themes in it, and listen intently to any workers they might have who _are_ long time fans. If the higher-ups actively _dislike_ or misunderstand the franchise you are in big trouble. They'll try to "fix" the themes to fit it into something they'll actually like, disregarding the IP's own strength and alienating their own fanbase.

[@garrettcrowl1294]

Or making a Halo show without playing any games.

[@ironmaster6496]

@@Rodrigo_Vega That's just being a child and completly incompetent, regardless of if you like the thing or not it's your job as a game designer to do the best game possible and yes that includes DOING RESEARCH. i mean i didnt like doing my homework as a kid but you didn see me rewritng history or math problems to my liking and telling my teacher she an idiot for not getting it, its called being PROFESSIONAL

[@Rodrigo_Vega]

​@@ironmaster6496 assuming there are 'game designers' in charge, which is not always the case. Often you've got managerial, producer-types calling the shots. People whose line of work is much more focused on getting contracts signed, getting everyone payed, keeping hands on keyboards and deadlines on schedule. They see everything else as "unimportant details". And they _do_ kill companies that way. What you gonna do. It's the circle of life within this system: - Visionary artist-type who 'gets it' makes great game. Since the game is good, it's successful and the brand grows. - Now that the brand is huge it becomes unmanageable, and they bring a business-type to manage it; who doesn't 'get it'. - Franchise becomes stale by chasing unrealistic levels of growth and risk-avoidance. -Fanbese migrates towards next great visionary that 'gets it' and the cycle repeats.

[@parrishharris3008]

That's a definite fact

[@PuppetMasterIX]

17:05 This single edit demonstrated more love for X-Men than Dennis Dyack ever did.

[@Ramsey276one]

XD

[@storm99_]

I absolutely love how they released Edge of Time just a week or two after this game was released. I can only imagine the meeting regarding that in Activision corporate HQ.

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

Knowing this company, I say there was no such meetings.

[@faiyazhusain5912]

Well they didn't learn their lesson because in 2012 Activision released a FPS called 007: Legends in October of that year followed by Call of Duty: Black ops 2 three weeks later.

[@Gallant_Emerald]

Man, you can really see the pattern they went through. Even nowadays.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

I'm honestly surprised that you didn't mention Dyack's little tirade where he blamed the used games market for X-Men's Destiny's reception. Seriously from what I heard he wouldn't shut the hell up about it.

[@eternalmemoire4137]

As someone who's learning a bit of game design, God bless Jullian Spillane. Even for a new recruit, he still stayed with the project until it shipped, and was the most reasonable person within a studio that showed little to no passion with the project. I am glad that Jullian didn't spite the team members, he acknowledged the team workers for sticking around despite the odds against them, and it's nice that he's still working on games up to this day with great success. This is aspiring seeing Jullian's passion for games and understanding for media.

[@diabdia]

"Bobby, shut up!" literally laughed out loud when I saw that clip!!!!

[@XeronosKuro]

You would think that the name Denis Dyak would be "AVOID AT ALL COSTS" after the lawsuit and 2 freaking video game studio closures. I guess there are people that don't know much about his notoriety or just don't really care if they are working with him to this day.

[@Mephiles343]

I wasn't aware he had such serious controversy,Which is saddening,Because I'm in the deadhaus sonata discord,And I'm super hyped for a potential LoK spiritual successor,But it seems I got my hopes up for so little so far

[@B8GViews]

The Juggernaut story made my mouth drop. Why ask for his thoughts on a fight if you didn't give a shit about them? Must have been checking a box. His alternative sounded like a fun fight. I love video games, but it seems the majority of folks calling the shots in their development are just money-grubbing robots devoid of passion.

[@GeneralBolas]

That's part of it, but it could also be simply not wanting to do the work. His alternative would have required a bunch of effort. Now granted, this was a pretty damn important build since it was going to Activision and Marvel, so doing the work was kind of justified. But people often disregard criticism not because it's wrong but because they don't want to fix the problem.

[@ironmaster6496]

@@GeneralBolasWhich is always why you always have to do research when working with another IP and obviously this wasn't a little thing since marvel just straight responded with the equivalent of DO YOUR HOMEWORK

[@StarkMaximum]

"Why ask for his thoughts on a fight if you didn't give a shit about them?" They probably just figured he'd look at it and go "yeah it looks great", or if he pointed out anything notable, it would be serious gameplay flaws. Instead, he gave them a flaw based on the character they were depicting, which they felt wasn't important because they didn't care about the character.

that's exactly what they are, in terms. just people doing their work, and sometimes working with things they don't like. the players, the consumers are the ones with passion, and it's kinda delusional to expect the same from every dev

[@TheBlackAntagonist]

@ The fact that games like this can bankrupt the companies making them seems to me is, indicative that having some level of understanding or god-forbid, passion for the product should be standard practice. "They're just doing their work" You mean like soldiers in the nazi party "just doing their job?" Not to use such a heavy metaphor but, in cases like this you have to choose to be so out of touch with you're work.

[@storiesfromtheabyss9808]

Big ups to Julian Spillane for all that inside information on the game's development. Glad he made it out alright and is still helping make games.

[@cursedex80]

Activision and Disney didn't really need to do much to ruin it this time around, surprisingly enough, as Silicon Knights' management basically kept trying to play Russian roulette with an automatic gun. Your entire fucking studio depends on nailing one game, and you consider it a second priority? Holy fuck...

[@deadpoolnerd]

The original concept still sounds awesome for an X-men game. Have a semi open world ala say assassins creed 2, where you're a new mutant just discovering their powers. You can take on missions that either side you with the Brotherhood or with the X-men. Keep the mutant creator because I love that in games, and whichever side you choose whoever you do missions with shapes your mutant build.

[@blacktrack1014]

I remember having to rent this game at my local library in Jersey. It was the first Wii game I ever played and technically got by myself without my parents..... awwwww memories 😄

[@revalution1965]

Back when doing the most mundane thing by today’s standards was always a little adventure or fun memory ahhh miss those days lol

[@swinelias]

@@revalution1965 same haha

[@undone14]

I still get chills hearing the X-men theme song. Brings me back to 30 years ago watching on Fox 11 (Los Angeles Fox channel)

[@VladyO]

You know, they put Juggernaut as a boss fight in Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions and gave him a health bar, but *at least* they provided justifications for it: there's two fights against him--the first fight didn't really count and the second fight he was nerfed, missing his helmet and his Cyttorak powers were being muddled with.

[@emilysong2000]

By sheer coincidence, I was actually re-watching the Too Human What Happened episode yesterday morning, and knowing that X-Men Destiny would contribute to the final downfall for Silicon Knights, I was curious as to whether or not it, too, would get the What Happened treatment. I legit did not expect the X-Men Destiny episode to turn up the very next day (or the previous night for your Flophouse V.I.P. patrons)! It was quite a pleasant surprise, and the episode itself was as solid as I have come to expect from the What Happened series. These videos have become the highlights of my weekend, and I'll always be itching to watch-and rewatch-all the What Happened videos again and again! You're way past awesome, Matt, and don't you forget it! *gives Matt virtual fist bump*

[@AlanJ1993]

I actually finished this game a couple of times. Sucks that it wasnt released on PC because then we might have gotten mods that allowed to play as X-men characters that are in the game. Because honestly from what i can remember a lot of character seemed to have full on movesets specially because your character for the most part is taking some of their abilities.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

“ we might have gotten mods that allowed to play as X-men characters…” You just gave your own reason why is not on PC.

[@thesegaguy6279]

I worked in public retail at the time. Yeah, the copies of X-Men: Destiny we had stayed on the shelf for a long time. I'm pretty sure most of them ended up getting audited when we did yearly inventory.

[@sentient.studio]

Fun Fact: Code from Too Human can be found in X-Men Destiny. The most obvious one is an audio file that was never used for Too Human. It occurs during the bossfight with Juggernaut. A random voice will say, "Fly Aesir." And thats it.

[@joshsweet7512]

This was one of the most fascinating episodes in forever, especially for a game I've never even heard of outside of your excellent "Too Human" one. I love these insights and chats with developers!

[@SAPProd]

We could have had a Silicon-Knights-developed King’s Quest game?! Good or bad, I wish we could have seen that! And nice job inserting a mini-Wha-Happun inside a full-sized Wha Happun; that’s a pro-content-creator move right there!

[@michaelkenner3289]

If you're a king quest fan you might be interested to know. Ken and Roberta Williams (original Sierra founders) are making a new game at the moment. Just read about it in the news. First game they've made in twenty years.

[@SAPProd]

@@michaelkenner3289 I saw that! I’m very excited to see their work (hopefully they’re not too rusty), but it’s incredible that they’re remaking a game that served to inspired them to get into gaming! Glad to see them give back!

[@ViewtifulAce]

12:41-12:51 That exact thing was done in Lego Marvel Super Heroes, just with Jean Grey instead of Emma Frost!

[@bootsthecat6718]

I legit loved this game so much and told all of my friends about it. It kind of infuriates me that there are almost no X-Men games that let you make your own character

[@bootsthecat6718]

@@madder9166 the "mutant embargo" sounds like a storyline you would read in the actual X-Men comics :p

[@urielcagnotti]

The saddest thing to me is that overall this game seems like a great idea and would I love to be able to play an RPG, hack and slash style of game with X-Men on it, where I can create my own mutant.

[@dfdedsdcd]

Julian: "This isn't how that works, not how any of that works." Evan Exec: "That isn't important. No one will care." Disney: "Here is some homework since you obviously don't know what you are working with."

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

pre-disney

[@bridgetdenman6080]

I love the way you edit the commercial breaks. Its a small detail, but one I super appreciate!

[@ChicaneryBear]

Thank god we’re getting Midnight Suns and Wolverine. Mutants deserve a video game win.

[@saintkupo7164]

That "Bobbeh Shut Up" line needs to be used M O R E.

[@gargablargblarg]

I played a lot of this as a kid. It certainly wasn’t perfect, or anything close to it. But it was a lot of fun for a 10 year me. I’d like to see another attempt at an X-men game like this in the future.

[@spenserbeckerszs]

You will soon down the road. They are doing a Wolverine game (that has had a very short reveal trailer btw). It’s gonna be in the vain of recent PS4/PS5 Spider-Man/Spider-Man Miles Morales or Guardians of the Galaxy.

[@swatdude6450]

Yeah a lot of it's more apparent flaws were obscured by me just playing it when I was a kid, so I loved this game

[@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137]

When you are a kid you can enjoy any game like me I played a game called alpha protocol as a kid and I enjoyed it a lot but now I cant play the first level

[@SuperDrunkdragon]

@@spenserbeckerszs hopefully we’ll get a game about a few more Xmen but we’ll have to wait

[@bobafett4265]

@@spenserbeckerszs true I'm looking forward to that Wolverine game about as much as Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 game, I'm hoping that Wolverine is as much fun as the X-Men Origins game, but with added Open World elements which could work well for the Guy, he can scale up walls using those metal claws of his, let alone pounce with animal like agility that putting Wolverine in an Open World game would be AWESOME and could be quite refreshing when put next to Insomniac's Spider-Man games as far as Traversal in Open World games go for them.

[@athroughzdude]

I remember playing this that it felt like they hadn't actually made characters you could customize so much as they made three characters and then let you jumble them up. Since based on stuff you see in game and their designs that each one was designed with one of the three powers in mind and it felt like the Japanese girl and the Football player were definitely going to be Brotherhood and X-Men respectively. Bigot turned mutant was the odd one out, so it probably would have been better if they just had three stories reflecting different parts of the same story.

[@johnriff85]

*uploaded 21 seconds ago* Oh so that's what I'm doing for the next 22 minutes of my life.

[@ratchetxtreme6591]

Hopefully Insomniac’s Wolverine game will turn out way better then whatever this was.

[@ethanmarley678]

(Snorts) Like thats ever gonna happen....

[@LoungingPotato]

I actually played through this game 6 times--picking the X-Men or Brotherhood on each run for all three characters. I definitely enjoyed the game for what it was but at the same time, looking back, it was definitely lacking. God, this would have been fantastic had it gone to a better studio with love and respect for the X-Men universe. As an avid fan of the X-Men since I was in middle school, it really sucks that we haven't had a proper game since. Hoping that changes within the next few years. Maybe once the X-Men finally make their MCU debut, it'll open up people wanting a game for them. Might just be wishful thinking but I'm really just grasping at straws here lmao. WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE X-MEN GAMES

[@jackychang9148]

I remember playing this on the Wii. Then returning it within two hours. Thanks Redbox.

[@dikinebaks]

Marvel: Hey you ignorant tools, read this X-Men encyclopedia

[@LGF18]

Love this series! So glad I found it. I'd love a what happened for movies like A Sound of Thunder, Dark Phoenix, Man-Thing, Elekrra. Keep up the great work!

[@spenserbeckerszs]

From someone like myself who is a sugars X-Men fan and which of whom bought this for PS3 on launch day, I was incredibly underwhelmed. At the time I wasn’t even aware the game was intended to have a “create a mutant” element to the game. That would have been awesome! The biggest problem with this game from a consumer standpoint is that it feels like a very rushed action game that has new characters who do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to make themselves stand out in comparison to other well known X-Men characters (this point becomes abundantly clear when any one of the new characters wind up sharing the screen with someone like Gambit, Mystique, or even Wolverine). While being a mindless action game is fine and all it just had that “meh” feeling from beginning to end. I had wished it would have been something more but considering Matt’s video here, I can see why it wasn’t. I will now want to go back into MvC3 and see where I can find the new character’s “deceased” posters! I never noticed that lol! Thanks for pointing that out Matt! :)

[@RuffWarl0ck]

That poster was never in MVC3. It was art from the Facebook game Avengers Alliance

[@joshuaremo922]

Often times the publisher is at blame for the faults of the game. In this case Nintendo kept SK well on track to make good games, and Activsion of all things gave them plenty of time and resources to make a good game, SK just mismanaged it horribly.

[@CanadianRanger17]

Another day, another Activision failure. Clean them up, Microsoft. If you're serious about buying them out, get rid of Bobby Boy and every other scummy big head in there. Give Matt and all gamers what they want: Actual good things.

[@OrenjiMura]

You're aware that Activision name was part of the project but not the ones actually working on it? Lol SK is the main one at fault even before the budget got cut

[@jnut9494]

@@OrenjiMura I think he means the 2nd lawsuit

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

Yess this is my favorite show on KZbin. Look forward to it every weekend!! Thanks for all the hard work and research!!🍻🍻

[@VibinMoth]

Have actually been waiting for this one. As a kid without Xbox live I played this game through sooooo many times. Tried every build and every new x gene I found. I remember the drops being somewhat random, or at the very least plugged into some random number generator so the limited customization came through if you played through the game long enough. But man, were those boss fights boring. Also, the main villain was just a guy that ended up getting Captain Ginyu-ed by Bastion after he already killed Xavier. So prof X literally isn't in the X-Men game where you choose between X-Men and the brotherhood. Great video, been lurking and watching old vids but most definitely subscribed now.

[@riotd.r.8363]

I remember getting this game for Christmas that year. I really enjoyed it... for 2 playthroughs. On the third I kinda felt like I was just going through the motions.

[@GTA6VIGameguy]

That subtle Roddy sound bite is everything!

[@joesomenumbers]

We can publish your game as Silent Hill, or you can trade it all for what's in The Box

[@bificommander7472]

The box! The box!

[@chuckwagon253]

When I bought this game the GameStop manager told me “you will be returning this game”. Little did he know that I played all of the terrible comic book games I could like a mad man.

[@ChaosMechanica]

I love that at 17:49 MMcM casually has the map from Kamandi in the background. Great DC Easter egg

[@WarioSaysSo]

I must confess I actually enjoyed X-Men Destiny, but I fully agree that the game missed-out on a lot of potentials with creating your own X-Men character and choose sides. If the game had had more creative options and more options to tailor-make the characters, then it would have been something that could have been great. Gameplay wise, it does its job so to speak.

[@hhtptai]

Dennis Dyack really screwed his entire studio.

[@kevingriffith6011]

I don't envy the guy who has to "Well, actually" his bosses about what a comic book character would and wouldn't do. To someone who doesn't care much it can really sound like splitting hairs.

[@Marioroops]

I'm a huge X-men fan, and even I forgot about this disaster.

[@justme-ti1rh]

I still playing it today with x men legends.

[@Niteeri]

Oh my god 11:40. I'm SO glad you included MyWayEntertainment's dub of that episode. I used to watch them so much back in the early days of youtube. Man, I miss them.

[@pop-tartdepression393]

I remember playing this game quite a lot as a kid and I remember enjoying it. Mostly for the "get to play as your own x-men character" even if you didn't really get to make your own it was good enough for kid me, I think I still have my ps3 copy even. It's interesting hearing about everything the game went through nowadays and what it could've been.

[@nslater1388]

I loved X-Men legends and marvel alliance growing up. When this game was announced I wasn’t interested because I don’t want to buy an X-Men game in which I can’t play the X-Men. As simple as that.

[@GermanKinsmen]

I really wish someone would remake this game in the vision of what it was supposed to be. It could've been the best Marvel game until Spider-Man PS4, but it was a stripped husk by the time it was released.

[@doom3926]

This is the one X-Men game I didn’t bother getting specifically because of the OCs being the only playable characters. I respect what they were trying to do though and it might’ve worked out better if they were able to make it so it was just one customizable avatar you could personalize and make choices with, I still wouldn’t have been interested, lol but I do believe there is a place for an X-Men game like that.

[@brunodiniz4754]

Wasted potential: the game

[@JDotvaporz]

These videos really make my Saturdays. Cheers Matt

[@stellaroj]

It's crazy how deep the "Dennis Dyack fucking sucks" rabbit hole goes. So sure of himself, so inept, the X-Men deserved better.

[@GameGodZERO]

wow I remember really enjoying this when I rented it way back, iirc was 1 trophy short from platinum cause I just didn't have the time to get the last one lol, rip still admittedly kinda like the 3 OC player characters and their powersets, particularly the girl and her shadow powers iirc (was pretty easy to figure out which was "meant" to have which powerset)

[@TerravancerYoh]

I first heard this game through ProtonJon's Superman 64 Let's Play, along with the story of how every copy needed to be destroyed along with the failure of Too Human. Never heard much more about it other than you bringing it up during your Too Human episode but now we get the see the whole story and man, this was an exhaustive episode. Big kudos to Julian Spillane for illuminating a lot of this and good to see he's still in the industry and thriving too.

[@scumbagjesus999]

My god. As a avid comic reader I think you've covered ever x men title name pun wise. Bravo

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

11:34 Yikes, you nearly called the wrath of Cyttorak down upon yourself

[@mccarthy5825]

I remember my step dad, who was basically my dad, buying the original Xmen game for mega drive from the local video rental shop. Couldn't find it anywhere. I was OBSESSED with xmen figures, comics and the cartoon. I had Xmen 2 and Adamantium Rage but the best one was the original I think. When I got my Saturn for Christmas it came with Children of the Atom of course... I also remember getting the bus to the shopping centre near me to buy Ravages of Apocalypse TC for Quake... I started collecting Xmen comics from Xcutioners Saga to just after Onslaught.... I remember begging my mam to get me some Age of Apocalypse figures instead of a birthday present the next month... Good times.

[@patrickrobinsob1464]

The X-men quake was so fascinating. Such a weird idea for Quake.

[@mccarthy5825]

@@patrickrobinsob1464 I know right?! I was crazy into the comics then(started reading x cutioners saga and stopped after Onslaught) and LOVED Quake so... Oh another AMAZING tc was Malice...but the xmen game was weird and you fight these clones and all... Still it was fun but its so bizarre how the license got granted. Although Marvel were in the toilet then. I first found out about it on a demo disk with a gazillion things on it but seen it for 4 irish punts on sale in GAME and had to have it. The gameplay is so odd and the clones are hilarious at times... I recall the Psylocke one always getting stuck flipping into a wall. And the Wolverine one on hard mode would just soak up damage. It's a weird entry all right and I see what they were going for but if it was me I would have had like Cyclops, Gambit, Cable with his guns, as playable characters for their projectile attacks and had them fighting Sentinels or the Brood or something like that. To flesh out the roster have a team mate assist like the Mega Drive original so you get a secret like quad damage but it allows you to call Wolverine in to take out all enemies on screen or Jean Grey to heal you/give you a shield... Maybe Archangel flies by taking out enemies etc... I'd love some of the TCS to be remastered or sort of jazzed up like GL Quake. The official mission packs are quite good IIRC. Malice is cool because you get like these 'toyz' as in a little mini sub thing, a hover board and some grappling hook I think, sort of like Quake 2 CTF. Its a very big, open, desolate future setting and to just pop in No Target and god mode and zip around on the hover board is great fun. Cool weapons and a decent setting too. I remember getting it with some other add on and another copy of quake in a pack for like 10 Irish pounds at the time. Same day I got Dark Forces 2& it's Mara Jade add on pack for the same. PC games used to be dirt cheap if they were a few months old. Recently Nine Inch Nails, my fave group (including Trents soundtracks, the Watchmen TV series, Gone Girl and Social Network are my fave) who I got into thanks to Quake, released the Quake soundtrack on vinyl. Sure everyone had it on cd thanks to the game, but WOW I did not remember how fcking atmospheric and dark it actually was! ID said no at the last moment to the booklet being printed but Trent leaked it and it gives a bit of insight into Quakes development&sound design. The first time I put on my dads 90s big chunky headphones and played Quake in the dark... Man what an experience!

[@tonk82]

Whatever Dyack touches, ends in disaster. Not only is he incompetent at his job, he is always surrounded by shoddy money tactics. And let's not talk about the "i create a new company and use things from the previous one, the one that is being investigated".

[@darnell16player]

I didn’t expect this game to be up there considering my younger brother thought it was cool but after a few playthroughs of it I can see where like where more content and polish would have helped immensely now with this video.

[@childofcascadia]

What makes me sad is theres an alternate dimension somewhere in the multiverse where they didnt go with silicon knights and we got a mass effect level create-a-mutant xmen action RPG.

[@akaFantasticBros]

I really appreciate that Box roddy rich adlib 😭😭😭

[@TJXCooler100]

I honestly enjoyed playing this game, even with it's shortcomings

[@guiltygearalonecompl]

Same. It’s not a great game, but it’s entertaining enough. Kind of like the superhero movies of the time, it wasn’t fantastic but entertaining enough to make it through

[@backspacer92]

Nothing wrong with enjoying a game.

[@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137]

@@backspacer92 and I might add "even if it's bad"

[@DrayLoco]

Man this game sounded so cool when I was a kid. I hope one day this idea is revisited cause it’s awesome a Mass Effect type X men game would be so cool

[@zerotolerancd8743]

Y'know I heard DC did their version of this game and it was pretty okay itself It was LEGO DC Supervillains

[@RickeyDute]

I actually own this game and I played it to credits rolled. I enjoyed it, at the time, for what it was. But I remember this game being messed up. I remember in one level I had to quit the game and restarted, after being playing for 45 minutes, because one mob glitched out and didn't spawn, so the level would not progress to the next phase. The characters to me seemed so uninteresting except for Ninja Girl, and their powers were so unimaginative.

[@tjreed7797]

I remember enjoying this game back when I was a kid so it's interesting to now know what happened behind the scenes.

[@thabreez456]

That Deadpool game was so amazing though

[@Batmunk664]

I appreciate the "previously on X-Men..."

[@citizen-7xl5]

I’m quite literally playing this game right now, I’m on the 2nd level and the fact you need to have gambits ability equipped to sprint is stupid as hell but I’m now using it to just sprint past all the enemies so at least I don’t have to beat up my next fourteen dudes in red hoodies.

[@neverm0ar696]

What the hell I was JUST looking at the wikipedia page for Silicon Knights and this game, and then this drops minutes after

[@RadioTanooki]

As someone who's been listening to the Lasertime guys since they were with Gamesradar way back when, it's so cool to see them mentioned in this, I did not expect that! Good stuff!

[@AnonymousEnigma19]

When I first heard about this game letting you create your own mutant I was like 🙂, because I had a lot of mutant characters ideas from back when I was just a kid, but when they decide to only have three characters to pick from 😓 I just wanted to cry man.

[@EpicB]

Activision Blizzard needs a full episode themselves.

[@ddjsoyenby]

that'd just be d3pr3ss1ng screw bobby kotick hope microsoft sacks that bastard.

[@ViewtifulAce]

When the Metacritic scores were being talked about, I could hear Gambit's theme from Marvel Vs Capcom.

[@truerockfan]

I can honestly say I was completely excited for this game when I saw an ad for it. It was coming out while I was in college and my friend group were playing the Vs System card game and I was considered the X-Men guy. Eventually when I got my hands on it I was excited....but then I was about half way through and it started sinking in. I had told myself I was going to play all three stories, but when I started my second, I lost all desire to play it. I ended up just giving it to a friend of mine who had wanted to play it, so I figured I'd save him the financial hit lol

[@DefendUrPolicyDontScapegoatLie]

I rembered thinking this game would be like X-Men Legends (one of my favorite games). Marvel Ultimate Alliance I loved even more and when I learned it’s not gonna be like that I still had hope because I thought they’d have the ability to change your character based on powers of mutants.

[@thekiwibird37]

Man, that Juggernaut story really just sums up how much of a fuck they did not care about this game. Julian tried to save them the embarrassment there, too, poor guy. Seems like a guy with a good head on his shoulders that got the shortest stick imaginable over that game. Glad he found success elsewhere. I swear this game would've flourished under caring hands in the way X-Men Legends did. It had potential that they simply did not want to tap in to and that is SUCH a shame. I remember seeing it and the concept sounded exciting to me, but then I heard the reviews and avoided it.

[@FenixDown87]

I remember being so hyped for this when it was first Mentioned, then didn't hear anything else until I saw it in the Target discount section

[@fonzylopez5806]

releasing this game in 2011 AT ALL was absolute lunacy. that year had so many fucking huge games dropping it was unreal. and fall 2011 even moreso.