X-Plane 11 Flight School #4 - The ILS Approach

[@Bartonovich52]

Some other very important things for ILS Know the 3:1 rule for a three degree slope. Every three miles is 1000 feet. If they are having you joining 6 mile final but keeping you at 3000 feet AAE... (which they might do if there’s traffic crossing underneath at 2000 feet for the parallel runway and a jet on a 15 mile final) you’re going to have to dive onto the slope. Every ILS has a glide path check at the FAF or middle marker. This is to ensure glide path accuracy. Know the required decent rate. It’s 1/2 your ground speed *10. If you’re grounding 90 knots, you have to go down at 450 fpm to stay on slope. Don’t chase the needles once you’re on short final. Hold your heading and required vertical speed no matter what the needles do. You’ll probably get visual reference and be able to adjust rather than destabilizing your approach at the last second. One final bit of advice more applicable to real ILS flying is to not be afraid of the ground. Most pilots get unnerved when they see terrain rushing up in their periphery at a 200’ DH. Fly that slope to 20 feet above the ground.

[@HoustonGamerTVHGTV]

As an instrument rated pilot I confirm this is correct. Especially that 90 knot ground is for a category A aircraft. And he should lose 675 feet per nautical mile using the formula of ground speed ➗ 60 ✖ fpm.

[@ghostrider-qp6ug]

Jeff, thanks for again turning the rather rough and incomplete X-Plane trainer into something understandable. Hopefully their flight school is in beta too and will be improved/corrected for final release. Another excellent touchdown - very smooth!

[@MarkDavidBlack]

Jeff, thank you so much. I've been flying simulators for years on and off but always ignored VOR and ILS because I thought they were too complicated. My man, I finally got it. That makes my week. I feel a lot more confident now heading into Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. You da man!

[@mmnissanzroadster9]

Did they try these training missions before publishing?

[@chrisl6546]

Wow - that was a huge help (along with the previous one on following a VOR)! The instructions don't explain what's going on geometrically so it's hard to sort out what's going on if you miss and don't have any instrument flying training/background/anything. X-plane 12 also has an annoying feature that right as you're making the critical turn to get established, they give you a message and then it resets the view when you dismiss it. On my setup it resets to showing bright daylight with the instruments in shadow, and zoomed out, so you have to take your hands off the stick to adjust the view to be able to see the instruments at all again. I agree they're trying to kill you. First it starts out way out of trim so it's fighting you to get to 5000' and just wants to keep climbing (I've even gotten the stall warning at the start). Then to get to the 3000 feet you almost have to get the airspeed into the red unless you pull the throttle all the way back and then restore it as you get close and level out.

[@randomanon7040]

8:43 Yes, that could be worded much better. You're explanation is great. I had no idea what these guys were talking about until I watched this video. And the fact that you had all the same complaints about starting altitude, I did gave me a warm fuzzy.

[@trailingrails9953]

Just flew this, ATC never contacted, and it failed me for going out of bounds because of it.

[@deltz4546]

Trailing Rails init

[@katherineramirez742]

Me too, I don't know what to do😱

[@Emek410]

You go really slowly down and have to try again. I literally go at a 90 degree angle and flight school is like 'You are amazing'

[@beelzebub618]

It's almost as if these training missions were made by someone who doesn't fly.

[@fivezgamingftw]

Erlwers Ferserx yea

[@mikeprouty9391]

or the entire game.

[@airwipe1639]

Mike Prouty well, it’s not really a game but sure.

[@casaamaril]

I understand what you mean; like having to lose 2000 ft in a minute or so while maintaining the same speed. Especially since this exercise is intended to be done by beginners it's important that they have sufficient time to practise. That aside, I think X Plane 11 is a great simulator.

[@autogolazzojr7950]

@@airwipe1639 It's probably considered a game because there are missions and a flight school (gameplay elements).

[@xinvolume]

This is the best and more honest aircraft information that I have seen. He lets you know when the program and info is incorrect plus helps you understand what is correct and incorrect about the program flight program. It's nice to fly with and get a true opinion from someone who has an aircraft license, this is good information!!! Thanks!!

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

Hello Jeff! Is there a way to turn off the glass reflections on the instruments on the flight deck in XP11? Have you noticed that the flight deck is either too bright or too dark?Very harsh lighting! Even the icons in the upper right of the menu area are hard to see. I guess they are trying to ruin everyone's eyes.Honestly, the flashing reflections suck and are very distracting. Thanks for the videos.

[@kjemradio]

Jeff, when you first started flying how nervous were you? Especially with landing as that is the most difficult thing to do.

[@HighwayHeight]

I am about to go into my flight training but I have been in aircraft since 3 so I dont know how I will feel.

[@jamesoren7238]

+1 I did a few expo hours in school 20 years ago, but only recently (2 yrs ago) decided to get my PPL. I bought a TIF (trial day) and wasn't nervous at all - we did some basic aerobatics and had a lot of fun, so I got my log book and signed straight up for lessons. That first lesson, I really did feel nervous! It isn't just the flying - I don't think I ever actually thought my instructor would let me crash it, my brain just started adding in all this external stuff - like how much money I was spending and would the instructor turn around and say "You'll never be a pilot". I think really I was most worried that now I was trying my dream I might fail it. Like I said, the fear (that was very present) wasn't actually about being high up or crashing or the slightly claustrophobic feeling you might get at first. It also came back several times during my training. Maybe after I had a bad lesson, or made a mistake I thought I'd worked my way through, next week I'd be strapping in with butterflies in my gut. Honestly though, when I got nervous, it was always from the moment we left the classroom , constantly building until I was on the runway... then somehow, as we'd take off, it's like the fear just kept going along the ground. In the air it was more... getting frustrated when I made a mistake, or trying not to forget something. Honestly sometimes I'd be concentrating so hard, it'd feel like we'd barely been up 5 minutes when it was time to come back lol. The fear of landing wasn't really there for me once I was actually in the plane. I think the first lesson I had a breif "Oh shit, we gotta land now" moment, but the instructor did it of course, and even once I took over approaches and landings in my lessons, I always knew the guy sitting next to me also didn't want to become human jam. When I'd make a mistake, he'd always catch it, so it felt quite safe really. And really as you can kind of see in this video, landing isn't something you "wing" - it's a long check list of baby steps... so I don't think it's too nerve racking. Just follow the instructor's guidance, focus on each step and check it off, and before you know it, the tarmac's underneath you. When it came to my first solo, that's very scary. But again, it's scary BEFORE take off. In the class room going over everything with the instructor over and over I honestly couldn't believe they were about to let me take their plane up without supervision. When my instructor said good luck and shut the door, I had a sinking moment of thinking it was like closing the door on a submarine, and had a nervous laugh to myself. That taxi was probably the most nervous I've ever been in my limited flying career lol, but as always, once I got the go, all the training kicked in, and I don't really remember being too nervous, just very robotic that first flight, constantly ticking my plan off step by step in my head. I wasn't too nervous when I was up there, but I also wasn't really emotional at all until I got out the plane! Sorry for the long answer, I guess in reality, everyone is different, and we'll all be nervous, and we'll all be nervous about different things. What's important to remember is the instructors are fantastic and they're never going to ask you to do something they don't think you're ready for. And there's a thousand flight instructors around - there's usually 3 of 4 schools at the same airport - if you're not comfortable at all with your instructor, like learning to drive a car, just switch :)

[@Infinitepilot234]

Jeff, I had the opportunity to fly in a united A320 motion simulator @ the united airlines flight training center here in Denver, and being in he aircraft I realized that all the instruments are practically the same, just digital.

[@HaydenCMH]

Jeff, Im loving the Xplane 11 videos. Keep them up Sir!

[@zacharytaylor190]

16:11 i think that would be DH/DA for anyone wondering. The point where you MUST see the runway to continue. 200agl for an ILS. I like to practice ILS with 0.5sm visilibility and 250ft ceilings, as thats about as bad as it would be in real life. Train for the worst.

[@ninjafruit816]

I tried the A320 approach on iOS, and I swear they want you to reverse thrust with full spoilers and gear deployed midair to not fail from being too high...

[@ThatCanadianGuy-e1p]

Next lesson, get to tha choppa!!

[@jamesmcp99]

Jeff I really want to get simming, but I don't know what controller to get! I've been using the mouse controls in the XP11 demo and they're terrible; what's the cheapest way for me to get into XP11?

[@fawncashew]

I'm really enjoying these videos. I was planning on beginning my IATPL around now to get into commercial flying, but a bullshit medical thing has cropped up and I can only get a class 1 medical with restrictions for the time being. It's really got me down, but at least videos like this make me feel almost like I'm doing something. Thanks very much Jeff

[@jfavignano]

damn man keep your head up and you will fight to get it back! Keep up with the studies and thank you for the nice comment :)

[@WestCoastWookie]

Great Video Jeff! I love aviation and sm going to get my private pilot fixed wing, your videos have really helped me out in learning my way around the aircraft

[@Steve-Slacker-Philipson]

Thanks again Jeff for improving their lesson for us newbies. one major thing the miss is how to get the frequencies entered and how to find them for us newbies we need that info first.

[@WiccaRobin]

I'm just enjoyiing watching, since I don't have XPlane 11, its fun to go thru this with you. Helicopters will be fun I've never flown one .. My Dad was always againist them, and would not approve me, at the time. I did solo private at 17 or 18 years of age. he did aprove of that, until I told him I planned to fly communters until I had enough time, to move up. He said no way.. along with my mom, so I became a Truck driver and college was all for naught, until I got into hauling chemicals, then they wanted atleast a 2 yr degree. Then I was happy I had it.

[@NaderHassan]

Hey Jeff! Quick question, where you on the POSKY forums a while back? I used to be an active member on there, and I could swear I used to see you on there all the time.

[@jfavignano]

Absolutely man! Great days back in 2008 and I used to do flightsim radio!

[@NaderHassan]

Jeff Favignano yes! That's where I remember you from!! I used to listen to your radio all the time! I miss those days, great to see you doing well!

[@jfavignano]

Thanks man, good times haha.

[@SkyboundGaming]

Fantastic landing Jeff, and a great approach. I haven't started my Instrument flights yet, I did pass my ground school though, and my AKT. Hopefully get to shoot some approaches here soon. Quick question though, I know Xplane 11 is still in beta but I was surprised to see that the marker beacons didn't flash or enunciate. Maybe that was just on my end as I couldn't really see the top of the GPS panel. And loved how it said you were at the threshold when you above the Middle Marker.

[@Wessey]

Jeff, how about review or comparison of P3d and xp11? It will be very good listen to u about these sims.

[@jfavignano]

I am not paying $200 for FSX

[@squeecytrackks3077]

Jeff Favignano it cost $60 the last time I checked ( which was a while ago) for the academic version, which is the same thing as the $200 version.

[@GSOaviator]

$60 for academic version, and most FSX addons work with P3D as well. Once you use P3D, you never go back to FSX.

[@NKDesign]

I use P3D, but highly regret buying it after getting XPlane 11 :/

[@GSOaviator]

Get REX addons, Active Sky 2016, Active Sky Cloud Art, ENVTEX, and a PMDG plane or two and some 3rd party scenery and you won't regret it ;)

[@ellonysman]

I wonder if Jeff will finish the complete Flight School lessons?

[@gingerhuntwipf5088]

Very good but you forgot one of the moast important things your before landing checklists I also did not hear anything of what is the MDA you did good flying it but it's even as or more important to make sure all checklists are complied with

[@ghleeve]

hey jeff i play on mac book air and when it tells me to increase my throttle using F2 and decrease it using F1 i can't because those are the buttons to increase and decrease the brightness can you help and shift F2 or F1 doesn't work so its really annoying to have to look down and use the throttle manually

[@swift7493]

Change the keybinds?

[@IIIllllIIIIlllll]

HowToNotBasic HowToNotBasic I think you need to press function(fn) and the key.

[@ghleeve]

were is that button located on my keyboard?

[@kingakingz1596]

Hey Jeff Favignano i will truly appreciate your help, so i bought the full version of x plane-11 and i noticed that you have too and on the flight school mode you have the airliner mission and i do not. I was just wondering did you happen to pay for the airliner mission or did your x -plane 11 purchase come with it? I appreciate your time and your help thank you!

[@jfavignano]

I think they removed it as I don't have it anymore since the last few beta updates. The full game comes out on the 30th so hopefully it will be packaged with it!

[@kingakingz1596]

Jeff Favignano Yes sir, thank you very much!

[@BuckeyeBowers]

Thanks Jeff, just got my PPL and will be starting instrument training next month. This was pretty helpful!

[@BuckeyeBowers]

Thanks! I'll need it lmao

[@caribbaviator7058]

Wow not an encouraging comment lol @ Visionbyte

[@ellwaugh8796]

Really helpful for new pilots. Thanks jeff! Hope you and your wife are well

[@cowsgohuh7328]

I have been flying Cessnas from Ksea to KPDX and I get lost as to what runway they want me to go to every time. Thanks!

[@cowsgohuh7328]

Question. For an airport such as KSEA with multiple runways, how is it (the instrument) determines what runway they (air traffic control) want you to go to?

[@jfavignano]

The runway selected is determined by the winds. You ALWAYS take off and land into the wind. You can look up METARS (which we will go over in a future lesson) to have a good idea of what to expect when you arrive at the airport. Landing with a tailwind is downright dangerous. You would rather have a cross wind than a tail wind.

[@pilot83s]

Jeff update to Beta 2 no more flickering for displays in Cessna

[@jfavignano]

this was recorded before that was made available

[@stardjo22]

Thank you Jeff I'm learning a lot. When will this game come out.

[@wp202]

really wish there was more tutorials/scenarios on xplane 11 than the few they include in the flight school. fsx had dozens of them

[@ante042]

What’s the joystick your using to fly? Including the rudders and throttle

[@greghodges1786]

Your commentary is absolutely awesome!

[@franzamann1]

I have no idea what happening where do I find heading

[@akseldamgaardsteffensen365]

The only thing i don’t understand now, is how you get in contact with ATC so they can give you ILS instructions. Can someone tell me?

[@Skylinnk]

Hey, nice videos Jeff, really enjoying watching them.

[@alenmartinovic8378]

How you drive plane so easily, my go left right to much 😂. Did that plane have autopilot? Im started play before few days.

[@everythinggaming7938]

My plane does not stay stable its always pulling up or left or right how can I make it fly straight, without working so much with the stick?

[@rudavalek]

3 degrees descent it’s about 500 fpm at 100 knots speed right?

[@jfavignano]

Yes and no, speed an be what you want it to be. We always did 500 fpm descents but you could be at 110 knots. Same for final when you are landing at 70

[@chasestro5787]

Hey Jeff, I recently purchased JRollon's CRJ 200 for X-Plane 10. I have a major issue with the plane's buttons becoming unresponsive mid-flight. The only way for me to fix it is restarting my game thus restarting my flight. If you have any way to help me fix this problem, that it would be much appreciated.

[@ericc7936]

is there a plug in for report card and helpful instructions?

[@rsmatt48]

Hey Jeff, I was wondering what rudder pedals do you have and are rudder pedals worth it?

[@jefferyallen7042]

Hey Jeff thank you, for xplane 11 flight school. i'm going to purchase the yoke system , and also xplane 11. But I'm also looking forward to microsft flight sim.Thank you very much.

[@ellonysman]

Jeff, or anyone else...I'd like to see landing north to south final for cyxx in BC, want to see how well it depicts Abbotsford bccyxx

[@JFulls94]

When's the next video?

[@jfavignano]

this week!

[@JFulls94]

Awesome great vids keep at it, learning loads only starting into simming

[@jimle22]

I have flown this ILS training hundreds of times. fFnally got pretty good scores but you really have to nose dive the plane to reach altitude. They start you out way to high. You cannot do a normal decent rate and pass. Go figure.

[@F34RTEHR34PER]

I got 89% and 79% after a half dozen failed. It's like I had to drop the dang plane out of the sky to get the altitude right. Probably easier to use something besides the dang Thrustmaster Warthog stick/throttle lol.

[@dgtroop]

I've been using flight simulator products for several years... and what i'm beginning to understand is that all simulators don't give a lot of real world experience understanding... the thing I like is fs products walk you step by step through a ground school type of experience... maybe not totally accurate but much better than x plane... think I will stick with my fs products for a while … x plane looks to be a simm for more advanced simm or real world pilots to play with... thanks for the vidoes....

[@Awsome17203]

Jeff nice vids have watched since April 2015 this is awesome I play infinite flight it is about to be updated

[@danielr.l.mccullough600]

So you want ILS 100% if you're coming into BFS?

[@zino_]

Can someone help, when I'm crusing at hdg 160 and altitude 5000, the plane suddenly turns by itself to the left and causes the lesson to fail

[@superedilaviation7835]

hey favignano what graphics card yuo have or use for flight simulator

[@titojay]

where is your DME indicator? how would you activate that and know your missed approach point? pls help. thanks

[@noahholland3100]

Does xplane 11 have anything on a planes FMS?

[@MauritsVeen]

Noah Holland yes it has and i'm from holland 😄 dus dat

[@noahholland3100]

Maurits Veen sorry not from Holland from America my last name is just Holland.

[@MauritsVeen]

Noah Holland i know i didn't thought you were, but it is just funny that i live there

[@noahholland3100]

Maurits Veen yeah it is. I would love to go to Holland one day

[@MauritsVeen]

Noah Holland go in the summer! You don't want to come here in the winter, as it is rainy as hell and there was no snow in the past 5 years here 😭

[@felsner1]

Thanks for this!

[@peterwhite3]

Anyone know how he got the 'Other' tab in his flight school, my xplane11 dosent seem to have that

[@pastuh]

Joystick?

[@manleybrittainiii1009]

Thanks Jeff, that really Helped me

[@Chevette924]

xPlane 11 beta worth getting? Looks great so far, how does it feel?

[@airwipe1639]

[RAR]Chevette got it yet? I know it’s been a year and chances are you won’t see this, but...I git full version and it’s great

[@GreySamson]

Thanks, you should do the ingame tutorials

[@OldSkoolBiker62]

Hi Jeff.. Really sorry but I started laughing when it failed you due to your aircraft altitude.. I found your videos when I was needing help with VOR on X Plane (mobile) a couple of days ago while practicing on my tablet .. So when I messed up on the final turn towards the runway when training for the ILS I came looking for your channel again.. Again sorry for laughing but it didn't fail me due to doing a bomb dive when I realized how high the plane was when it gave me control.. Anyway just want to thank you for your very informative vids.. if I wasn't nearly 60 and my physical abilities were ok oh yeah and money wasn't a issue I would definitely be going for my PPL. but I have decided to go for just a few lessons just to experience flying.. Just before then I will be buying a new gaming PC, some flight controls and maybe the Microsoft flight 2020 (If out) So I can get a little instrument practice before going up... and after I will be able to sit in the safety of my home and fly around the world.. I haven't been on a flight sim for at least 12 years last one being Microsoft flight 2004.. Thanks again buddy.. and I have subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching many more of your videos..

[@jfavignano]

Thank you so much for the kind message! So happy this video helped you and you could find the humor in it 😁 keep at it man!

[@vinnychannel5069]

please make another my summer car video

[@rolfbauer8700]

Good vid, really enjoyed your remarks. Funny and therefore not boring.

[@haovan3971]

Hey Jeff! Love your videos !

[@Haildawn]

$8,500???? It costs $30,000 to get a private license here in Australia!!! 😫😫

[@jshepard152]

About $12k in the US now.

[@PhilDendron22]

Great Videos Jeff :) like the way you explain a little more than the actual game would

[@Inventi0ns]

Can someone tell me how to post an original comment?

[@Inventi0ns]

lol 10/10 will try again!

[@ttran544]

Yo! Earliest I've ever been to a jf video.

[@user-rf4vc7mt4d]

same bruh

[@patrickthompson3891]

I love your videos

[@inamahasan5276]

can you do some flight simulator 2017 video

[@madsquirrellennon4579]

hey jeff love the videos #LoveItAll nothing is beter to look at your videos when i have nothing to do.

[@aerofart]

Really enjoyed this video and the last. I’m new to aviation and Xplane and as I was practicing this Xplane flight school, I experienced many of the same crazy effects as seen here and thinking to myself the same things you express here, only in my case, I had some doubt as to whether I was actually doing something wrong, but this video lays those doubts to rest - I WAS doing it right, and yet, Xplane was making the tutorial very difficult and not doing a very good job at instructing. This video is FIVE YEARS OLD and Laminar is STILL using the same old tutorial without even fixing any of the bugs. SMH…

[@jfavignano]

Glad I could help you! Keep at it 😎

[@bobvog7123]

Good flying!

[@lalawyer11]

Thanks but it would have been much better if you flew a non computer guided flight and explained how to set the computer to direct you to the ILS

[@redwhitentrue]

I would fly with you any day, Jeff. You are a a very conscientious pilot.

[@jfavignano]

Thanks man!

[@hilltop2752]

Shoutout to my hometown Seattle

[@sethlauer4246]

Best city on the coast my friend

[@mateeenkhalatbari2664]

I already know this but awesome review since it's been a while Jeff

[@jbob1871]

Nice vid as usual have a great day thanks for making mine

[@flyingthoughanime8925]

Do commercial flights next episode ok Jeff 🙏

[@eduardolopes4498]

amazing video

[@JapanesePiano1]

Thanks Jeff for another Flight School video, teaching me a lot. Thanks!

[@jfavignano]

You are very welcome Jack

[@larissasousa5052]

A very good video by a very good instructor. Thank you for the objective lesson.

[@mrmotive7854]

Hello Jeff

[@z32_nick]

is it ok that I call you J Fav

[@kemarprovidence2936]

Mr. Favignano i enjoy your classes and i don't even have X-Plane. your the best teacher ever!... hopefully i pass your class with flying colors lol lol :) :) lol

[@jfavignano]

I am counting on you!

[@daniilovich05]

Do My summer car part 9#

[@dcooney4]

really helpful thanks sharing this , makes the learning curve so much faster

[@grummangreaser4701]

Bro, you getting over 20K a month of youtube. Congrats! Did you get your instuemnt yet? lol

[@T-Tailer]

4 th vid straight to ifr lol I wish it was that fast

[@thiscorrosion900]

What happened to training people how to use the APR button on the AP so you can do a real ILS landing? The proper way to do this ILS is to use the GPS 1000 and arm your approach a good 10-15 miles off as you come in on FAF, so you don't have to chase anything, it's dangerous to do so in real life, you want the GPS and AP to capture GS and LOC and let it bring you in. All you have to do then is manage your throttle and flaps. If you couldn't see down to 300-200 ft. mins. chasing that GS needle could get you killed. I don't get XPlane11 sometimes. I finally managed 3 ILS landings in a row practicing 10 mile finals last night, at two different airports, then I tried a full flight from Phoenix AZ to KTEX Telluride tonight, GPS all the way to 40 miles out, then I armed my approach ILS in from the FAF, and it didn't work. I was pretty pissed off. This was in the Cirrus Vision jet. I practiced all three ILS last night in the Cessna 172, and they all worked fine. This was using the GPS entirely the whole time. I"m getting fed up with the erratic nature of XPlane11, sometimes it works, sometimes not. I had everything set up: nav radio set, heading set a long time before approach, my approach loaded in the GPS 1000, everything. Intercepting at or under GS alt., and it still didn't work or capture LOC or GS. I"m about ready to chuck it. I can do a VFR flight great, no matter where, and do a great manual landing every time. I suspect it's XPlane being cruddy, is what it is. It's buggy.

[@englandgaming6861]

Good morning

[@jfavignano]

Good morning England

[@englandgaming6861]

+Jeff Favignano how was your day

[@BoxofDemons]

I gave up on this game, it is dreadful for new players, it teaches and shows you nothing.

[@alexanderdunlap9199]

140 for dual thats just for the plane here in ca

[@steviem8294]

I feel like I would have learned more with you just explaining how to do it instead of being so frustrated with the tutorial

[@ej4j4i38wGwgeb8]

:0 i was in a plane sim a few months back! and we landed like this! i didn't know it was called this in english!! lmaoo guess i gotta learn what i can while i'm still 14,, gotta start early ;>

[@laurentvandenbossche2201]

Thanks man, this is a great movie! I find it a bit sad explained in the game... But it's a good simulator game!