stop buying tube amps. here's why

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In this video, we talk about why we should maybe stop buying tube amps.
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[@RiffsAndBeards]

I def think everyone should stop buying amps. So more are available for me and Mark Lewis to buy.

[@xanderraymondcharles]

You sly fella, you 😈

[@adamstrachn]

Very sneaky Fluff...

[@gral9440]

No more tube amps => no more new material to virtualize => no more new evolution=> Q.E.D

[@ilovegreenock]

You get spoiled for choice now for tube amps on the market because nobody wants to buy them 😆 that's the irony!

[@gripphillips]

I agree with fluff please stop so I can buy them 😊😊

[@comradeshmoo]

You can pry my tube amps and walls of speaker cabinets from my cold, dead hands

[@lowtunedg9211]

Yeah stop buying them so maybe the ridiculous prices will come down

[@stug5041]

I’ll never stop. Nothing more satisfying than the feel of cranking a tube amp in the room. I won’t dispute the recorded argument - but I’m playing for me, my enjoyment. If you’re doing it for home recording, enjoy your plug ins. But the joy of playing, for me, is not plugging into a Mac book 😅

[@freezkeer]

amen to that.

[@youknowhuwitis]

Absolutely.

[@david.dvdpm91]

what about a modeler through a power amp and then to a cab? anyways that's what.a lot of bands do for stage sound, its the same feeling

[@stug5041]

@@david.dvdpm91 it’s similar, I would argue digital will never “feel” the same but in a band setting it’s 99.99% as good. Performance wise the audience won’t know or care. But my myself I want all analogue, the real thing. It’s just the most fun

[@chocolatecookie8571]

I agree. A plug in amp is good for the neighbours though, haha.

[@marhier]

I stopped buying them in 2004, when I bought the only one I'd ever need... 5150 II 🤘

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Such an awesome amp.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

great choice! one of the best amps ever made. Mesa, EVH, Marshall, Bogner, Friedman, Soldano, Diezel and ENGL make some of my favorite tube amps. Mezzabarba less known but fantastic tube amp custom hybrid of Marshall and Soldano.

[@Josh-ix2ot]

"Good tone is heavy and hard to carry" - Tom Bukovac

[@nocheckmarkgames]

"Whatever you gotta tell yourself man." - the guy standing next to him.

[@denverrandy7143]

Bukovac is tha Man!!!👍

[@mylogify]

With Tonex one, it's lightweight babyyyyyyyyyy.

[@ledthrax]

I was waiting for this follow up! This is gonna be good!😂

[@destroydestroyer]

You’re absolutely right. The technology has come SO far since the early 2000s, and modelers and sims sound just as good as tube amps these days. Hell, some of them sound BETTER than their tube counterparts. I love Helix Native, I love my Quad Cortex (won it at Balaguer’s Gear Fest last year, shoutout to Joe and team!). They do just about EVERYTHING I need them to, sonically. BUT there’s just something aesthetically satisfying about having a physical amp. I’m sure a lot of people can relate to this, but I LOVE turning knobs on an amp. I kind of like having a single amp where I’m limited to only the sounds that amp can make, and have to get creative with my playing. Having something physically in front of me just feels more inspiring than having a plugin loaded on my screen, even if that plugin sounds technically better, or is more versatile. I guess the point of my rant here is that yes, amp modelers and sims are DEFINITELY just as good, if not better than real amps, but I think we miss something really fun and inspiring about having a physical amp in the room. Does it just spending the money on a nice amp? Probably not. Is it the aging millennial in me doing all the talking? Absolutely, ya ding dang kids! End of the day, you gotta use what inspires YOU the most, right??

[@destroydestroyer]

Edit: “Does it JUSTIFY spending the money on a nice amp? probably not.”

[@seanbailey1156]

This is so true, I have a slime green KSR that just looks so good and sounds insane, I love messing around with it, admittedly these sims and modelers are closing the gap if they havent already. I have not been to a show in the past 3 years where a single tube amp was in sight, and it makes sense, but I will always love the look of a halfstack and amp.

[@destroydestroyer]

@@seanbailey1156 for sure! I remember seeing Coheed and Cambria maybe 10 or so years ago in Philly, and there wasn’t a single amp on stage. They sounded GREAT, but it just looked off. I guess this really is an example of “guitarists shop with their eyes, not their ears,” and it’s important to be aware of that. Still, like I said before, I personally feel more inspired and motivated to play when I’m turning knobs on a physical amp. It doesn’t need to be the best of its kind, it doesn’t need to be 2 ton stack (back surgery ended the big rig phase of my life #ComboAmpSupremecy), but it just needs to do “the thing” for me.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

my Helix stomp requires zero maintenance, is portable and free amp/cab updates. My grab and go jam tool.

[@destroydestroyer]

@@GuitarsAndSynths the Helix is an incredible piece of equipment. All of my tracks from 2022 on were recorded with Helix Native, and I have a Quad Cortex now for live use (I still prefer the Helix, but I won the QC in a raffle). I LOVE having an amp to mess with though, at least for recording, and with the QC, I can clone my amp so I won’t have to lug it around when I play out!

[@fullmetalsal]

It’s not sound, it’s the feel that digital hasn’t replaced “yet”.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

a small pedal tube amp fixes that issue and still portable.

[@vfxchris581]

Im Really loving the Andy James amp sim! Do you have the Preset for it?

[@TheGryf0xxx]

I literally just bought my first tube amp, and you come out with this!

[@markolivares6943]

It’s just his opinion, it doesn’t mean you have to stop liking tube amps.

[@TheGryf0xxx]

@@markolivares6943 Of course, my comment was in jest.

[@DreidMusicalX]

You can do both. Most of us do. I just think the prices are outrageous for all this gear. Tube amps or modelers.

[@mylogify]

Ok.... Now.... Stop....... Hahaha Jk.... Which one did you get???

[@stahliwood8755]

​@DreidMusicalX What people don't understand is that these guitar youtubers get gear free for reviewing it. I'm not hating I can afford almost anything I want within reason. Guitar youtubers are pimps pushing gear

[@randyblankenship8781]

I have been debating for a while to get a Quad Cortex but you still need to provide power to it to play through a cab. I dont play live anymore, but I would like the flexibility something like a QC. So $1899 for QC and some sort of power up doesnt make the prospect all that much cheaper. So is everyone using the QC just use FOH or computer to play through? Or are you using a power amp? If you are using a power amp which one?

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

50 caliber pedal power tube amp is cheap and portable and similar options for portable tube power.

[@user-nk8ww9ce9k]

Just bought an orange rocker 32 after I played a solid state orange. A whole new world….

[@nickhumbracht1546]

What about solid state amps? I have an orange crush 35rt and it sounds good..

[@scottdalrymple1716]

What are you using to power your digital modeler, or do you just send it straight to the board?

[@LipstickNsofrito]

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[@BDMusic2021]

Generally I have to agree with you. I do kind of think there’s a bit of a difference in how tube amps vs solid state amps vs digital modeling sounds, at least in room or just playing rather than in a mix, but at the same time everything sounds different. I think all these different things have their uses and inspire you differently, and if they sound different at all that’s a good thing because you can get more interesting and diverse tones. When I first got my helix I thought I would never play a tube amp again. About a month ago I got a new tube amp lol. That’s said, they are finicky and probably dying out. Just two weeks into owning this new one I had to replace the power tubes. I plan on continuing to use my tube amps but I also love my digital modeling. I would say that if you like the simplicity of a physical amp but don’t want to have to rely on tubes try something like the orange super crush. Incredible solid state amp.

[@OrlandoAponte]

@jtpark4046 actually did leave a comment saying that they were all plugins on the original video. I know that the Quad Cortex technically isn't a plugin, but it is digital, so I think it still counts.

[@sepiarain]

Came to comment the same thing.

[@xanderraymondcharles]

You were definitely the closest!

[@rhukyadarkstride5764]

I have been convinced to get an amp sim, but I'm not sure which one to get; either something from Neural DSP or Polychrome

[@heyoh6482]

when i finally get a new laptop you just gave me a list of amp sims to try thanks haha.. also sick riff have you ever done a lesson or have tab for it sorry i suck lol

[@Tanax13]

Focusing purely on tone might work for you, but not for me. Modelers sounds like 99% correct now. Feel wise, I'm sure they're also very close these days. The main problem for me is that modelers are completely uninspiring for me. You need to use a computer program to change your tone or menu dive on the unit itself. Real amps are literally reach out with my hand and twist a knob. Super easy, way faster and makes it more fun to me.

[@tkd4uandme]

I hear where you’re coming from, but I have one question. Do the lower gain sounds and such sound a good as the high gain tones? I am from the old school train of thought, that tube amps are the way to go. But honestly, if I was younger and on the road touring now, it would definitely be with a digital rig.

[@nejchumar]

3:02 whats the name of this plugin?

[@matthewperry2767]

You’re a light in the darkness, brother, and I appreciate you

[@sepherus]

I've gone sorta hybrid these days. I've got a Synergy Syn2 feeding into my HX Stomp. I've A/Bed the native sims dialed as close as possible to the Syn modules I've got, and even using the same IRs I can pick them out in a blind test every time, even moreso when I'm playing them. Once they get fed to a power amp (even solid state), into a real speaker it's night and day differences still. That being said, I haven't had the opportunity to play a QC or Kemper. Another problem is DIY venues don't tend to have adequate support to manage going direct. Most of the heavy music venues in my area are community centers, dive bars, and smaller stage theaters without their own sound gear. They get lots of touring acts through them too. If they're in your situation, they're asking to borrow gear because the promotors PA is usually just 1 stage monitor and 2 PA speakers. That all being said, the digital sims out there do sound great, especially in a monitor mix. For larger touring acts, going full digital makes total sense. I'd say if you're still playing the types of venues mentioned above, bring a few of your own wedges on tour to share, or a solid state amp and a 112 cab just to be safe.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

same here use my Line 6 HX Stomp when traveling and recording and tube amps/cabs at home. Probably will not buy any more tube amps. Too big and expensive. Maintenance is a problem too.

[@denverrandy7143]

I'd love to see Fernandes guitars come back to north America.

[@aeugmk2]

Fan-damn -tastic guitars man!! Love 'em!!

[@TNTGoBoomBoom]

Yes!

[@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams]

Played a Fernandes Monterrey many years ago. One of the finest single cut guitars I ever played and relatively inexpensive

[@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams]

Played a Fernandes Monterrey many years ago. One of the finest single cut guitars I ever played and relatively inexpensive

[@gral9440]

I’ve got a 2008 Revolver Deluxe MIK and it’s a awesome guitar.

[@johanjotun1647]

I have a Crate palimino v32 2x12 combo tube amp, it is utterly crushed by my son's 22" dbl kicks and 22" HHX crash and china, i can't hear what I'm doing let alone him hear me, we have to wear hearing protection for the kit alone, Would love a vid about your opinions on what amps can hand with drums and bass basement/barn setting in a metal context. keep dropping your advice.

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

I’ve been buying preamp kind of things to run in direct and then use an IR. I have a JMP-1, ADA-MP1 and just got the Revv G3. Have my eye on the KSR Vesta. I like the feel of doing it this way and I mess around a lot less knob tweaking. As to the speaker IRs, I figure that the people who made them have preamps, mics, studio spaces and engineering knowledge that I can never achieve in my bedroom so it makes sense to use them rather than trying half ass mic my own stuff.

[@PikaStu666]

Good video. It's weird, my favourites were Tone 1 and 2, followed by 5. My least favourite was the Quad Cortex which surprises me, but that could just be down to the EQ settings for that particular patch. I've had my eye on the Andy James plugin for a while, and I've been keeping an eye out for a used Revenant pedal but they're like unicorn sh*t in the UK.

[@joeyzeeguitar]

I agree 100%, but! there will always be something special about MOVING SOME AIR!

[@denverrandy7143]

Andy James I.R sounds excellent,Ray. Correction:they all sound killer!!!😜👍

[@jesterraj]

well i never played thru one so how will i know if i want one.......Caribbean viewer here!

[@thebloodychord]

I'm about to make the financial decision to buy a quad cortex solely for the reason that I had a shoulder injury about 7-8 years ago, and after the recovery, it just gets very hard to have to carry around all of my heavy gear.

[@TommyGunn-CURSED]

Test 4-5 had me fooled. I love my tube amps and usually record with solid state just to get rid of the inconsistency of dying tubes and worn parts. Seeing how far the modelers have come, I may have to pick one up. Would make touring easier with load-in and load-out.

[@Raijinx13]

Amen got an axe fx 2 years ago and never looked back !!!!

[@jarredbaca8112]

Ok, to be fair, I think I was super damn close 😂 I picked 5 as the amp and that’s probably one of the best neural DSP plugins out there 🤷

[@sillyness3456]

Local openers like Trivium and Revocation… However I agree with the general point. The Axe FX II and the Kemper were already basically indistinguishable from the real deal back in 2012. I still own a tube head and two cabs, as I still can’t make up my mind about selling them, even though I exclusively use a Kemper for years at this point.

[@jkrunch2166]

I just sold my JSX because it was collecting dust while I used my helix for all my recording and live shows with my band. I still have my Laney Pro-Tube Lead that's from the 80s and some lunchbox heads, but honestly that's all that I think I need. I do want to get the Revv G20 amp at some point though, in case I ever want the option of having a hybrid tube amp/modeling rig.

[@ralf-danielwirth5381]

There was a moment when I heard Overkill during soundcheck. The technician played the bass and everyone stopped talking and listened to this distinctive bass sound. We played a show on Saturday and I did the line check with my JVM. The faces in the audience reminded me of exactly this overkill moment. I use an EQ in the FX loop and play Drop C. The sound is very unique and stood out from all the Kempers that evening. Maybe I can reproduce my sound digitally. I'm definitely having a lot of fun with my tube amp and it's just ruining my back. As long as I can still carry the amp, I'll play tube amplifiers.

[@timjenkins502]

Got my helix 4 years ago and have never looked back...so mich easier in all aspects, real gigging musicians such as myself would probably agree. The sound is there and at 10% space and weight

[@robspectre1973]

I’m partial to hybrid tech like the Kraken V4 180. Put a GupTech Quebec pedal in the FX loop and an EQ up front and it sounds Huge! I’m interested in a QC with an Orange pedal baby. Considering cost, the new tech is so much more affordable and the mass amount of sims available are making tubes obsolete. I got tube amps and love them, but if I was starting now it would be modeling amps and power amps

[@peterbatten596]

Like you said, we all know why we love them. But if we’re talking metal, especially baritone or extended range, amp simulators have one HUGE advantage, which is not having to deal with the head space/room, making those lower registers much more clear when dialed in right. The only tube amp I have left to my name is my Engl fireball because out of all my years playing, that is my own personal favorite of all time (and that’s a bold statement) but it’s simple: a clean and overdriven channel that can hit every tone (including cleans all the way to the 9 string). But yea, I’m pretty much on your hot take.

[@tonychavalia844]

Id like to see you try a Tonex. I used to bash modelers and could never get good sounds. I also have a headrush and never got great higher gain sounds. I have a Tonex running on effects loop thru my Headrush pedalboard, its a sleeper setup not many people are doing.

[@StupidGuitar]

Yeah that’s one weakness of the Headrush. Its high gain sounds are pretty weak.

[@themog4911]

I just got started buying tube amps, now I've got to sell them? :(

[@davej8045]

I had a fancy (to me) Boss GT whatever with Midi and lots of other different available options within a click or two that sounded really good. There’s something about being able to sculpt what I’m looking for from a tube amplifier, cabinet, guitar and a few analog pedals. A much older retired friend was telling me about all of the different sounds possible through his Kemper and the benefits but that stuff just isn’t for me.

[@richardjones2811]

The only reason I use tube amps is because I haven't got a clue about anything else. What would I need? I know monitors obviously but what goes between the Guitar and the monitor speakers?

[@babyenzo.]

I had the same problem for a long time, I ended up going to a friends a year ago and he was playing from his PC I asked him thoroughly how? And ran through everything. I pretty much had the plugin(s) in mind I wanted to try out “neural dsp” anyhow all you need is a computer or laptop like me I run everything through my MAC, focusrite interface, krk double monitors and xlr cables to connect to my monitors through my interface. You don’t exactly need this exact setup there’s preferences to monitors and interfaces but it’s what works best for me…

[@richardjones2811]

Thanks for the information but I don't really want to have to use a computer, just something to generate the toneand amplify the signal to the monitors.@@babyenzo.

[@babyenzo.]

@@richardjones2811 to each their own, I don’t mind getting everything set up. I’m happy with the tones im able to achieve w what I got. I’m coming from a boss katana 100W combo, I hated that thing. Now I got pretty much where I wanna be as far as sound goes

[@Mommythief0069]

Hahaha, dang, they're all plug-ins!!!! That's crazy. They all sound amazingly good.

[@TheMountainDemon]

I have tube amps, solid state, and modelers. They're all great in their own right. I have as much fun with my Helix and FRFR as I do w/ my Archon and Mesa cab. Honestly, I watched this video while doing something else. Every time I heard what I thought was a real amp, I would turn and look and found I was wrong. Good job on the mislead there! Bottom line: whatever makes you enjoy playing, do that. There's no wrong answer. Additionally, I have put my amps up against a modeler and FRFR, to even test for myself the "amp in the room" argument. If the modeler and speaker are good, it is just as satisfying. At least to me. But, it's all down to using the gear that gets you to that place. The zone where you fade away and the music is all that exists. Keep rocking, y'all. \,,/

[@51TomasLopez50]

I agree that in a recording studio, no one could tell the difference. But being in front of a tube amp vs a modeler with a power amp. there is a difference. Not better or worse, just different.

[@alexmbrenner]

I actually switched to a solid state amp heads and use pedals for dirt. It’s way more responsive especially if you chug a lot. I’ve owned so many great tube amps like Bogner, Ampeg and Peavey Classic series. Recording I use modelers as they feel better to me and are easier to control. Really love the amp comparison. 🔥🔥🔥

[@Kami_81]

The thing with amp modelers, since the technology is continuously evolving, the shelf life is more limited vs tube amps. A bit like a iPad, it will reach a point where there will be no more updates and support for your current version and you will have to buy the last gen. On the long run, digital will end up being more expensive than tube amps imho.

[@sqlb3rn]

a brand new 6505II 120w head is cheaper than a quad cortex or a helix or a FM9

[@DiegosaurusThesaurus]

Sunn amps are coming back going. Pre-order yourself a couple of those. Awesome solid state amps!

[@-cobainism-]

youre right, but theres just this feel thing with a tube amp, or even just a real amp in general.

[@ocelotl23]

They might not ve better but there is something about plugging in a tube amp, it makes me feel different, idk maybe is iust nostalgia .

[@xanderraymondcharles]

I also think they look so cool too. That goes a long way

[@draleigh8881]

Crazy! Haha i was going to say none of them sounded like a tube amp but i was like ray hid one in there he had to so i picked tone 2. You dirrty dog you!! 😂

[@jamesryder9158]

Don't forget the maintenance especially if you don't know what you are doing, taking your amp to a tech is nerve wracking

[@jimsimmons2674]

I agree and let me add some of my opinions,i have tube amps and also modeling amps and modeling floor units,when i play my tube amps they have to be fairly loud to sound good in the sweet tone zone,many of you guys may live in a apartment or even in a house where you cannot play at louder volumes so a tube amp is not really a good choice,a modeler would most likely be better also the cost of a tube amp and now the higher cost of replacement tubes may be a put off for many of us. I run my modelers into the effects return of my tube amps and get good tones that i like,i also modified my Peavey Vypyr 15w combo with a 1/4" output jack so i can run it into my Marshall 4x12 1960a cab,i use the clean fender deluxe green amp model on the Vypyr to run my other modeling units into and it sounds very good and tube like!It is amazing how loud it is for 15w into 4ohms!You can buy a used Peavey Vypyr 15 for around $50 or $60 and that is much cheaper then buying other power amps for your modeler!I took the peavey metal amp enclosure out of the amp box and put it in my rack space. If you do not have any guitar speaker cabinets try a good FRFR for your modeler or studio monitors,i heard the new Fender Tone Master FRFR Powered Amps sound good,i like to run my modelers into a real guitar speaker cab for more life like tube amp modeled tone!

[@tomashrabkovsky3691]

A few weeks ago I bought the Kemper rack version with foot switch for 1300€ and I have to say that it is amazing and I still have the Orange Rockerverb MK1 and the transistor Orange Crush Pro 120. I want to create multiple profiles of the Rockerverb and sell them both. The same goes for pedals which I don't need because I have everything in kemper (if not better). All in all, I always like to play a tube amp and maybe I'll buy one just for fun and then pass it on to someone else in the future

[@BazonBlades]

There is absolutely no way I would ever give up playing through an actual tube amp rig. But I also have nothing against modern digital tech. It has to be a God send for touring pros. Being more compact, light weight, consistent, dependable, etc. makes modelers very appealing.

[@trunks828]

Always been a huge fan of twin reverbs with different drives but since I went down the quad cortex route life has been good. Recently getting a frfr has helped big time for monitoring and stage volume. But agreed digital is the way to go. My neighbors agree 😂

[@SamBrockmann]

Another reason for folks to stop buying amps (although not necessarily cabs) is the new Tone X One by IK Multimedia.

[@rcameron4091]

I hear ya . The modelers are more versatile . I've been using 100 watt Marshalls for so long it's an adjustment to get used to certain aspects . Used the Fractal Fm9 mark 3 going to try a couple more .

[@robertdonosobuchner3129]

I have all on my pedalboard...a 100w tube amp included. I have the Amp1 from Bluguitar and you can add everything you like, or if this is not enough try the new AmpX... Small, compact and very lightweight... I like tube amps and I enjoy the sounds and the feeling. For recordings the other options are better and much easier.

[@deadgoon7460]

As a tube amp owner, you are correct. Amp sims have got so good. That hurt me to say that but it is true.

[@sawogolec2286]

For touring modelers - thats a fact ;D but i cant imagine playing in my garage some quad cortex, tonex etc when i have Laboga Hector + 412 cab

[@bourbonick]

I mostly use an Orange Pedal Baby 100 and stack drive pedals with a noise gate. Can't afford fancy shit, nor do I have the room.

[@sublimingmule6356]

So, I agree with you, however, stacking your test so nobody can even guess correctly seems like a scummy way to make a point.

[@beefnacos6258]

Eh

[@georgecaplan11]

I decided to get a Katana Artist for home practice. A friend got a small Marshall amp and had problems within 3 months and then again after the warranty ran out. The Amp tech to fix it is not located conveniently. No one ever seems to talk about the real issue being that Amp techs are becoming like the dinosaurs. It depends where you live but in some places an Amp tech could be many many miles away. Plus the other factor eg here in Australia is that tube amps are becoming ridiculously expensive to buy in the first place.

[@chaoschaoforever]

Hey Ray, I'm understanding your point here that we don't need giant freaking 100 watt tube heads anymore like giant Marshall heads, Dual/Triple Rectfiers, Diezels, and stuff like that, but here's my question, what about mid sized heads that aren't massive and heavy like the Mesa Mark or the 5150III 50w heads or small lunchbox amps like the PRS MT15? They can fit in a rack, are cheaper and sure they may not be as big and beefy as the big boys but they're cheaper (maybe not the Mesa stuff lol), take up a less space (a lot less if you're going the lunchbox route), are a hell of a lot lighter and don't require as much upkeep as their bigger brethren. Sure you're limited to that sound so that flexibility isn't there but what if that's the sound you always wanted? They won't sound too much different from the big bois either to even notice. Just sort of food for thought.

[@andywallet9960]

the thing is , that it's not about how tube amps sound vs digital , it's about the feel , the feeling you have when you are standing and play in front of you amp and cab , i love that feeling and i will always do , thats why i bought a new dual rectifier last week XD

[@travisspaulding2222]

I agree. That's why I got a Fender FR12 for my Quad Cortex. It gives that pushed air feeling to go along with the amp sim. The only thing I say that the amp sim doesn't do as good as tube amps is when you roll off the volume on the guitar, tube amps response is much better.

[@zanzabar4ky7]

You can still do that with a non tube amp. So long as it is going through a guitar speaker it all seems about the same vibe unless there is latency

[@cleverg1555]

Modeler into a power amp into cab and it’s the same exact feeling

[@StupidGuitar]

the amp isn't what's giving you that feeling, it's the cab. No reason to have tubes at all anymore unless you're using your amp to do squats or dead lifts.

[@danarchism-dissident]

Yo... Didnt you tour with Monuments in the fall?? You gon' tell me that Browne is on a modeler?!

[@Mr_Woodchuck]

His two dual recs sounded killer for sure.

[@danarchism-dissident]

@Mr_Woodchuck he did a more recent Premier Guitar Rig Rundown and I'm pretty sure he was using a stereo SLO rig in the states this time.. Last time I caught their show(with Olly too), it was the inverse of this video. They were the only ones with real amps. And it was the Dual Rec... ...and it was fucking amazing

[@Mr_Woodchuck]

@@danarchism-dissident For the last US tour he used 2 Mesa Dual Rectifiers (Multi watt version) in stereo.

[@danarchism-dissident]

@@Mr_Woodchuck my memory is trash.. it could've been the same in the video I saw.

[@ChakraOver9k]

Amp modelers is where's its at. My Sonicake Matribox sounds killer. The Quad-Coretex and the Tone Master Pro are top notch 🔥

[@Canadianwheelchairguitar]

I got a Boss Katana MKII (Modeler) & a Revv G20 (Tube). They both sound REALLY good. I use the Katana for teaching so a kid doesn't have to haul their amp to a lesson. I'm using my Revv because I like the feeling from it as I play it. I do play my Katana but I play my Revv 99% of the time. I don't see the sound being different enough to say one is better than the other though. I say it's a matter of preference to the player, like all guitar gear should be. If I was still playing live shows I'd probably take a Quad Cortex for the shows but I'd be more willing to take a mini tube head & a 2 X 12 Cabinet & practice at home through that mini head & cabinet. Nobody else will notice, just I'll know what I'm using.

[@WhiteTiger27]

I see they didn't have any adjustments to toning is one tell n anyway..my ears said #2---n #5..where the best sound...🪓💨🔥

[@spross216]

I love both. I’m not so campy and dogmatic about that sort of thing. If it sounds good, and it’s fun to play, then I’ll use it.

[@Hogweed666]

Us gen xers love the look of a wall of amp backline too... Still have a Marshall half stack... Which is pretty much just furniture now... 😂

[@Eged282]

I don’t use tube amps anymore because my old back so I’m with you on this topic..in a way..HOWEVER, nothing beats a real tube amp sound-wise..obviously. Another point is that the best amp modelling programmers have the “ears” and the know-how for it because they have had tube amps for a while.

[@josuesamaniego182]

When you’re in a smaller DIY scene that doesn’t have good PAs or places to play, you definitely need a better amp. Tube amps punch through whenever you have to play loud though a cab with no mics. I use my Helix through a Marshall Origin 50w w/ a 2x12 for that reason. Loud enough if I need it but I also have the XLR out for whenever I get a chance to play bigger venues. Best of both worlds. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@josefkainrad]

It probably has to do with what speakers youre using to listen to it. Because I'm wearing Bose QC 45 and I could instantly tell the first one was an amp sim. The only one that sounded like a real amp, imo, was Amp 2.

[@cscoioscscoios2768]

I completely agree, in a recording you will probably never be able to tell the difference between a modeler and a real amp. BUT, on a daily basis, playing guitar, practicing I want to push air and feel what I'm playing. That's why I use a tube amp!

[@satchrules101]

100% it’s to me a way better sounding than any digital amp .. real is real bottom line!

[@StupidGuitar]

The tubes don’t push air though… the cab does

[@MetalKris90]

I hate the feeling of strain on my hands after walking multiple blocks with a 4x12 and a tube amp. Parking at venues are the worst let me tell ya!

[@hierrogm]

Well sure makes a difference live …well for me it does ..as someone who has all the modlers ..my tube amps just smoke the modlers I have ..and I run my modlers with tube power amps

[@nyxie_5146]

I'm seeing a lot of people talking about wanting to feel and move air. Most bands now that use QC also have a Seymour Duncan power amp so they can use their Quad cortexes that have captured their old amp heads, as heads themselves. Sounded great with knocked loose live. Seen a few bands using hx stomp as the amp and another using a pod go and sounded amazing, guy with a Kemper that sounded bad. Same story with the tube amp guys, awesome sounding Engl, Peavey, mesa and Marshall, bad sounding mesa and peavey. I would prefer an actual amp for aesthetic but my circumstances of transport and only starting in a band says rn to go get a pod go for now cuz easy to move around, just get a power amp to run a cab with it. Still plan to get an actual amp as soon as possible cuz they're awesome tho. Also didn't see the last video but I knew straight away with this one that there was no amp cuz I agree with your point. Ive also found that there are a lot of minute details in the difference in tone tbh and not just in high gain but also in cleans and ambient tones. Almost everything can work the way you want it to if you know what you're doing, great video as always! (also lets stop buying tube amps so they lower the pries so we can all buy lots of them!)

[@jarednarine8773]

side note: This riff slaps bro 😎

[@minimini4276]

yes the sound is the same...but its the feel when you stand in front of thecabinets...sims dont push the air the way a tube amp does...for me its all about the feel sims cant recreate that

[@bluntforc3studios198]

The only thing I use sims for is recording soooooo much easier but always prac with real amps

[@brandonbryson3317]

For me, it’s the feeling and the sensation of having a loud amp going through a 4x12 cab. Can’t get that with a plug-in or modeler.

[@cleverg1555]

You can if you conect your modeler into a power amp like the seymour duncan powerstage and conect to a 4x12 cab

[@jetkid8]

@@cleverg1555 still won't fill the space like a real amp, the digital is more linear in the direction of sound, won't fill the room, or you will need a very high-quality, expensive frfr cabinet, say, to push 700 watts of Seymour Duncan, in order to ultimately squeeze out of it something like a 50-watt tube amplifier

[@sepiarain]

Dude, I love you and your content, but there was DEFINITELY a comment which said 'It'll be a trick question, none of them will be a tube amp' and I saw the distinct possibility that that would be true. I have no horse in the debate, what I will say is I felt nostalgic the other day and went back and listened to Perfection in Pain by Corporation 187, Silent Night Fever by Dimension Zero (both released in 2002) and Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation by Darkest Hour (2003) I 100% thought, the guitars sounded absolutely GLORIOUS compared to modern metal production in the melodeath/metalcore genres.... they were captured so nicely and organically on those albums, they'd aged so much better than I'd expected. Thunderous and gutsy, shifting so much air in the mix but also tight and punchy.

[@vorpalblades]

Dimension Zero rips.

[@nazarakgamer]

I have a BOSS GT-1000core and some good preamps like the KSR Ceres. But, dude, I really want a 5150 or 6505. I'm about to buy it at least to have it at home or local gigs. I'd love a tube amplifier.

[@antoonhermans8953]

I have been playing my fender tonemaster deluxe reverb now for almost 5 years doing pubgigs in a classic rock coverband , and yes , not one person has noticed it's an digital amp , so go figure .

[@LB-qf3ef]

I rather enjoy playing my modeler into my hot rod deville 212 and taking the effects loop out signal and going into my solid state ampeg micro stack with a 210 cabinet. The mix is so much fun, at home, but i would never lug all that around. I just love all the sounds.

[@sole__doubt]

You dont have to tell me that, Im a Chuck Schuldiner fan. \m/

[@jjgson69]

I've been an amp guy since my first Fender Musicman Bass amp in 1975. Buying a POD and Bass POD when they came out started to change my mind, and I still use em both to this day, but never have live, only in my home. I don't own any other modellers and I didn't start with Software amps until a couple years ago. I honestly don't care much for playing thru my computer and monitors, and most of the time still find myself plugging into an amp. However, after getting the Friedman IR-X a couple months ago, I've barely plugged into my amps. When I do plug into an amp, (this is really going to make you laugh) it is the IR-X into the effects return of my mini Soldano, into a 1x12 cab with a "12 Zakk Wylde EV speaker. Sounds frickin' awesome!!! My SLO and 4x12 sits idle in the corner. :( For myself, preamp pedals may be my future over plugins.

[@babyenzo.]

I do want to get a POD 2.0 it fits exactly within my criteria, would you recommend it? I get a lot of mixed opinions on it but majority of people say it’s still ahead of its time and sounds great…

[@jjgson69]

@@babyenzo. If you can pick one up cheap go for it. As a test and for fun, in the past few months I have created a number of Tonex captures of several different amps from both the POD and Bass POD, and uploaded to Tonex. A couple of my captures have been in the weekly top 10 and most downloaded. If the haters only knew! Ha Ha.

[@broncoxy]

what I'm hearing as a guy who never had a tube amp or even played through one is that no matter what we choose these days, it'll sound great~

[@adamstrachn]

Pretty much true. I have tube amps, Katana mk2 and several plugins. They all sound very good, but the tube amp still feels the best to play. It's not that noticeable unless you play them back to back though. Digital is quite impressive these days to say the least.

[@sqlb3rn]

until you show up to a local venue with your helix asking where to plugin to the karaoke PA speakers.

[@martinexoticsusa]

Welp, the Orange Super Crush 120 is Orange(per them) Rockerverb 100 in solid state...and its dang near close

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

As much as I love massive tube amps and own a few, hardware modeling amps into FRFR cabs are the future. Here is why- most do not play stadiums and want to record to a DAW and modelers make that way easier and quality of tones has improved on modelers. The maintenance of tubes is a pain as few can repair them. Love the feel and sound of my tube amps but since I play at home, recording simplicity is key. I probably buy a Fractal Axe FX III into small pedal power amp and cab instead of buying another expensive tube amp like a 5k Diezel.

[@philipandersen4406]

I love me a good tube amp BUT if I was going to play multiple shows other than local, I would use digital. If it was just a hand full of shows a year within the area I would be ok taking an amp still

[@Brattynn]

Personally I like both. To me, I feel like a real amp plays different. I wouldn’t say it feels better, just different.

[@DavidAllenMD]

tube amps are amazing but for me i stick with my katana head lol i got a kller tone . solid state is more reliable. i wanna ge ta pod go but for me ts not about tone more then its about money to upkeep it

[@BradRocker]

Dude what is that TONE #2 Sim ? Need help ......sounds excellent.

[@periclesgomes_]

MixWave : Mike Stringer

[@BradRocker]

Thanks Man@@periclesgomes_