Upgrading your guitar speakers is DUMB.........here's why.

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[@BenjaminRoethig]

I'm now waiting for the Kyle v. Glenn cage match 😂😂

[@belligerentamateur]

you won't see it, we are friends in real life. I'm not attacking Glen at all here, just offering a more cost effective option to the same problem

[@BenjaminRoethig]

@@belligerentamateur I know. It's tongue in cheek. I've learned a lot from him in my own search for tone.

[@beefnacos6258]

Glenn is a dork.

[@KelticKabukiGirl]

​@@belligerentamateur Not an attack, but a heavily passionate debate would be fun to hear.

[@KelticKabukiGirl]

@@beefnacos6258 and a Giant nerd, so he uses Scientific Method while testing shit in his Evangelion Cosplay outfit 😅 Kyle is right about the cost- benefit ratio, buy a cheap cab if need be, but just trade it in or sell it and save for a nice cab already loaded with Higher quality speakers.

[@natrixxvision6997]

This sounds more like a capitalism problem than an actual speaker problem.

[@BobHarley]

im 18 seconds into this video and i 100% agree with you

[@ShawnWrona]

Would you prefer communism?

[@MugenHeadNinja]

ShawnWrona Yes.

[@natrixxvision6997]

@@ShawnWrona Democratic socialism. No more corporate welfare. How’s that?

[@sjohnson4985]

It sounds like you're saying it's not worth it to improve your tone? That's a strange take. I'm sure many people agree with that. For me, though, I'd rather have empty pockets and a tone that I'm happy with.

[@chrisbyrneguitar]

I think yours and Glenn's videos approach it from two different points of view. You're coming at it from the resale value and how buying speakers may not be a good return on an investment if/when you come to sell them, and as you say with how cheap cabs cab be had, it makes a lot of sense to wait for a good deal. Glenn's comes at it from an engineers point of view in what makes the biggest change to your tone and in a dollar to tone change ratio, assuming that you're not intending to sell the gear down the line. Both are very valid points to consider when purchasing any new gear, not just speakers.

[@blgdinger3]

This 100%

[@joeywilson5998]

💩 Thank you for saying what I was gonna say! They are discussing 2 entirely different issues. One is about bang for the buck monetarily and Glen is talking bang for the buck tonally. Art vs commerce. And if your tone is trash (or you just not happy with it) then you will end up having to spend money, Glens trying to get you to spend less over all by not chasing tone wood, pups, amp styles when that doesn't offer much in the way of tonal changes

[@DanHovington]

100% right, he is talking about money and Glen is talking about tone. Most of us don't buy gear with resale in mind, if I buy a guitar or amp it's because I want to keep it.... If I sell it it's because I really did not like it or am super strapped for cash.... I still have my first electric guitar I bought about 30 years ago.... Swapping speakers is like modifying a car...you'll never get the money back...but you might love it more....

[@jesselovell5567]

💩

[@traviswoyen2243]

I'd say it's not even a tone vs. value argument. I don't think Kyle came even close to saying that some speakers don't sound better than others, rather that you're better off money-wise just buying a better cabinet than replacing speakers in a cheap cabinet, especially as the number of speakers in the cabinet increases. Now, there's a case to be made for something like buying a stereo 4x12 and putting 4 different speakers in it for more recording options, but that's very much an edge case. Most guys buying speaker cabinets aren't doing hardcore home recording.

[@mhillaxeman]

This advice makes sense if you are a hobbyist who buys and sells used gear. His same advice would go for new pickups, hardware or any other upgrades to lower cost gear. But if you actually gig or make serious recordings you might want a fine-tuned rig with upgraded speakers as an investment in your music career. (And you can alway put the original speakers back if you decide to sell an amp or cabinet.)

[@helio1055]

Exactly, he’s just a guitar hobbyist. Not a musician. Pretty sad

[@Chucksguitargeekery]

This is definitely a valid argument for 4x12 cabs. I’m in the 1x12 combo amp world, I still think upgrading the speaker in a cheap combo is worth it. But, keep the stock speaker and swap it back in if you want to sell the amp.

[@needsLITHIUM]

This. I use small lunchbox amp heads, exclusively, and as such have a single 4x12 that I mainly only use for recording. Otherwise, I have a few different open back and closed back 1x12's that I bought as empty unloaded cabs. I know the tones I generally go for, so I know which speakers have that general sound - Seismic Audio Quake12, Celestion G12H-100/G12K-100/Hempback, Mojotone Greyhound, Eminence Swamp Thang/Cannabis Rex/Guit-Fiddle, so basically all the dark speakers with a rounded off top end, because I go for extremely bright, mid forward tones, or else Swedish chainsaw. Speakers like that just balance these tones well. I have had the same 3 or 4 favorite overall amp voicings for YEARS (Orange OR/Rocker/Terror/'Verb, 6534+/EVH 5150 III EL34, Peavey XXX/6505+/Invective, Blackstar HT, Laney Ironheart, and vintage Marshall - JTM45, Plexi Superlead, Origin, or JCM800 - with chainsaw tones). The only other amp that's interesting to me outside of my usual suspects might be a Hughes & Kettner Triamp, or a Victory Kracken, because they do multiple tones from my tried and true preferences. My convoluted explanation has the following point: If you know what sound you like, and have a plan - which it's clear you do - then keep doing what you know works for you.

[@honkytonkinson9787]

It’s also fun trying out different speakers in a small combo. Much cheaper than trying out different amps and can be as fun as trying out different pedals

[@needsLITHIUM]

@@honkytonkinson9787 using 1x12 and 2x12 cabs with cheap amp heads lets you do both

[@AngusNB]

I have been using two 1x12 Krank cabs for years. I have Eminence Texas Heat 16Ω speakers in them that I use with an Orange OR15, Vox MV50, Peavey Bandit and an Orange 35RT.

[@thisdyingsoul76]

I do the same. I use heads and I have a couple of different cabs with differing dimensions loaded with different speakers. I keep the original speakers even if they are crappy and put them back in if I sell the cab. If I decide my good speakers don't suit the next cab, I either start swapping speakers from the other cabs or I trade my good speakers for something else if they don't get me desirable results.

[@lowqualityguitarvideos]

Celestion Seventy 80 are my favorite cheap celestion. $30-50 per speaker used. Once broken in, they have great harmonic content and balanced tone. Work for lots of cabs and tones. Wont do maybe some specific vintage mid humped tones but add an EQ and you can get there. The reason I like these speakers is you get the basic Celestion tone, a good mid sized magnet, overall balanced tone and can tweak with EQ and cab dimensions. And they are cheap, and everywhere. Once they start getting broken in on the used market (ie: all the ones people ripped out of brand new cabs) start getting used and the tone smooths out, I can see them being more widely embraced and understood. Theres some bad intel online that these are only made for modelers. To my ear they are basically a V type with less mids.

[@joekt22]

Try combining pairs of hempback and evh celestions if you're looking for metal. replace the evh's with cream backs if you want a warmer tone. Speakers matter more than anything else in achieving the tones we all strive for no matter the genre.

[@davidfaustino4476]

That's easily the worst speaker in Celestion's lineup behind the Rocket 50.

[@micksterminator3]

​@@davidfaustino4476Ive got one in my monoprice tube amp and it ain't too good

[@calebmckinney1442]

For my first (and only) cab I got it custom made by my friend. It has Mojotone speakers and I love how it sounds I know it wont hold much value but I supported a local artist and helped support our local hardcore scene.

[@Mikey__R]

I love this! If you got exactly the cab you wanted, I don't see why you'd want to sell it on. I've got an Eminence speaker waiting for me to build a cab for it.

[@needsLITHIUM]

I have nothing but small branded cabs and unloaded cabs I put speakers into myself, as well.

[@douglassmith5466]

What is the tone improvement on a behringer 4x12 v30 cab and an English ir Mesa cab usually going to be? I put 2 v30s with the 2 stock fender cheapo speakers I n a beat up cheapo fender cab and for death metal detuned he loves the setup. He uses solid state behringer bass guitar Amps and an MXR fullbore Distortion and he seems to like it.

[@Folk661]

Interesting take. I think you’re right about the investment angle. However I personally like to load my 4x12s with a few different speaker options for recording and blending tones in the studio. Powerful tone sculpting tools, that’s where the value is for me. I have a Marshall 1960b with g12-75’s and Marshall Vintage. And a Mesa oversized slant with Vintage 30s and eminence dv77’s. In the studio the options are plentiful.

[@rickyturner2742]

That's why I use a 2x12. If I'm going to get bored with Vintage 30s in my Zilla Fatboy, I'll go and buy Hesu Demons or something else. Plus I'm not buying and selling gear, so I don't care on resale value on my gear.

[@PhuketMyMac]

I upgraded every single 4x12 cab I have (3 of them as of now) and I am very happy I did. It took me time to find the right combos (different flavor of speakers into the same cab) but that was worth the effort and money.

[@ScottStieg]

A good parametric EQ does wonders for tones if speaker swapping gets exhausting.

[@Mikey__R]

Or even a rackmount 31 band graphic patched into the effects loop.

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

Mmmm, true but it doesn’t solve all of it. Different speakers FEEL different too. Some speakers feel kind of soapy, like V30s while T-75s feel very immediate and snappy. An EQ isn’t gonna do that. There’s other characteristics too, but I’m not gonna get into it

[@Rowe4900candymachine]

I wish there were more parametric eq pedals like the empress one.

[@ScottStieg]

@@Rowe4900candymachine I own the their latest Deluxe Para EQ, it's independent gain controls are nice. Source Audio EQ2 Programmable EQ Pedal is ideal for multiple presets though. My fuzz, dist., and HM2 pedals each get their own EQ. Very handy, especially live.

[@ScottStieg]

@@UseTheSupeRsonic 100% agree that it will not solve it all, they go a long way though.🤘🤘

[@tygrbyt3684]

definitely viable for combo amps, upgraded my 6505 112 speaker to a warehouse speaker and the difference is night and day

[@alexdenton6586]

That’s true but changing the speakers is still the best way to drastically change your tone A speaker is the ultimate filter

[@belligerentamateur]

what's true? nowhere in the video did I say changing your speakers won't change your tone. also, his comment reads like a Glenn Fricker Stan. I promise I'm not trying to insult you, but I would work on completing your thoughts a little bit more so that you don't come off as parroting someone else's exact words

[@alexdenton6586]

@@belligerentamateurwell , wasn’t expecting that

[@johnyang799]

Did you even watch the video?? Yea what's true? He basically said don't upgrade cheap/crappy cabinet. Instead get a good second hand cabinet, perhaps from guitar center. The reasoning is that firstly new speakers are expensive. Then you devaluate the speakers by using them and putting in the cheap cabinet. After that you may not even get the tone you want. So if you get a good second hand cab with good speakers in there already there's much higher chance you get great sound. And you can resell them without a big down in money if you don't like the sound.

[@Colin-o9t]

Speakers make a huge difference, i have done swaps on almost all of my set ups. Most notable was replacing the standard celestion evh in my iconic 40w combo with a uk made creamback.. chalk and cheese. Worth every cent..

[@garyshelly6555]

It's the same exact thing as guitars, you buy a $200 guitar and put in a $200 set of pickups it is not now a $400 guitar.

[@RodneyHale-g7w]

Absolutely. Got a used Bogner Uberkab 4x12 off GC pristine condition for $600. Saved $700 vs new.

[@BigTyronie]

I saw a friedman with V30s for 500$. And a bogner 2x12 with v30s for $400. I kinda want the bogner cab just to run amps thru

[@tj1486]

Every gearhead imo should have an idea of the used selling price for pieces of gear they have or are interested in, and how fast they could flip it. But that being said, some things are just going to be a sunk cost in this world given the nature of the market and the number of niches. Like the eminences you mentioned, resale value is pretty low, and you may be holding them listed for 3 months, but as long as you know that and are willing to drop a decent amount to try them out and know they may not move quickly if you wanted to resell, then I say go for it. I fully appreciate the business aspect to anything, so you don't lose money, but sometimes it's just about paying to have fun as well. I'm happy to lose a little bit of money to just say I tried it and maybe did or didn't like it. Speakers in particular I find to be fun to swap in and out, and they can really do some tone shaping in nuanced ways that you can't do with pedals or changing heads etc. Bottom line, every musician should be cost conscious and learn how to value their purchases and know their risks etc. Also since you asked. 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩JK though love your content.

[@aacgoudie3642]

Interesting approach, that works for the individual. I'm almost 40 and haven't parted with any piece of gear I've bought since I was 14

[@hoboroadie4623]

I could maybe sell something for a profit, but I have only ever given away bits, and just because someone else needed it, not to dispose. I did buy an overdrive once that I didn't want to keep. Once.

[@travismiller7679]

Marshall mode four cab is a great cab you can find used at a decent price.

[@tubo628]

ABSOLUTELY! Patience pays off. I just got a '99 Mesa Rec 4x12 for 350! Great vid 👍

[@susancorgi]

that's great deal wow

[@Qban220]

Vertical HESU 212 with daemon speakers for $380. Almost new. 😎

[@nathandeparis9852]

What would happen if your trying to load a Marshall 1960A with Tone Tubbys' does that help in keeping the value? the 1960A I have has vintage 30's in it.

[@samuelsanchez3213]

Hey Kyle. I scored a Engl pro 412 cab on GC for $899 used!! It was a 3 hour drive for me and I traded in my Carvin Legacy 412 to put towards it. I ordered casters for the Engl which ran me about $60 from Thomann and shipped to my door in about 3 days from Germany. With my trade in and casters I was in it for about $750 for a brand used Engl Pro cab. I couldn’t be happier!

[@theophany1770]

How different is it than the Carvin. I've got a Legacy 412 and it's great

[@lekkerblankastudio]

nice

[@jconner3891]

Congrats man.

[@markscohier9308]

Nice. But you can get good casters from Home Depot way cheaper than that.

[@CS-ru4xd]

@@theophany1770 Pretty different....but not in a bad way. I have a Legacy 4x12 cab and an Engl 4x12 and I like them both in their own way. The Engl cab is a bit tighter and focused and slightly darker to my ears and the Legacy is more...IDK...in your face. Both have V30s and both built well!

[@alexanderbreien2748]

The discussion of buying new cabs or upgrading speakers is something I’ve personally never gave too much thought simply because of how hard it is to compare the difference it does. So when I bought my first head i decided on a harley benton 2x12 with v30’s and was happy with it, I only recently found a SUPER CHEAP Marshall 4x12 mg412a for 140 bucks. I know it’s not considered like a true Marshall cab but I decided to just check a short video on it, really liked the sound and bought it. One of the best investments I’ve made when considering the price and how good it sounds.

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

Glenn's entire channel revolves around the idea that the guitar, the amp, and even the guitar player themselves doesn't matter,... as long as you have the right studio equipment and engineer. That why ALL of his comparisons are ALWAYS about how the recorded MIX sounds, and never focuses on the sound of the guitar in isolation on in a live situation.

[@rogerforsman5064]

Only time you hear guitars in isolation is on KZbin guitar channels! Not in real life!

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

@@rogerforsman5064 I think that would have been a pretty valid statement 15-20 years ago. But nowadays, I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people buying guitar equipment are hobbyists who spend 99% of their time playing unaccompanied in their own homes.

[@SoloSabbath]

You mean to tell me Spectre Sound STUDIOS is about recording music in a studio? I would have never guessed. /s

[@JROD-xs6fn]

Apparently you don't watch his videos or comprehend his message. He caters to people that are on a budget and/or tour in the real world. I remember how proud I was of my carefully selected and purchased equipment(latest, coolest, tone machines) and the great tone I was getting when I was a kid............all of that went out the window recording in a studio and even worse playing live. No it is not mandatory to have a custom guitar, carefully chosen pups, latest greatest boutique amp and cab. Most of the time you are subject to whatever the soundboard, sound guy and house PA equipment, ability. What sounds good to the sound guy might sound like shit to you especially when you put a full crowd in a room changing its dynamics. If your a hobbyist in sitting in your room and have a good supply of funds then by all means buy all the latest greatest gear you want. Nothing against it but if you're someone just starting out as a musician(you know, a "starving artist", that means limited funds) Glenns channel is invaluable.

[@FortessofShred]

P.S. I'm 42, with no car. I grew up, literally rolling speaker cabinets down the street. If you want it, you'll figure it out.

[@ShawnWrona]

I did the same thing. Found a 1978 Marshall 4/12 and rolled it home because I had a mustang that wouldn’t fit it… got it home and it had blackbacks in it. It’s my main cab now❤

[@imcrazedandconfused]

Or you just get a brand new 2xV30 loaded HB cab from Thomann for less than the price of the V30s alone and call it a day... Money does not buy a good sound, but speakers do. In guitar rigs, in bass rigs, in recording studios. So, I don't get this video at all. Don't upgrade the most important piece of your whole signal chain because it does not hold value? Really, this is the idea? Guess what, crappy speakers will always give crappy result. No way around that. Clickbait video, I guess. You need 4x12 cabs in 2023? Nope. Guess what, when recording, every single speaker sounds different. More is not better, it's just more.

[@huntergalloway3944]

I don’t sell cabs. I definitely don’t buy them new either. I usually just buy the cab already loaded. I paid 300$ for a 90s Ampeg cab with V30s. There’s an Egnator cab near me with V30 and Rola G1265 for 350$ and it just sits because it says Egnator lol.

[@thisperfectworld]

Help me find it?

[@phantomflame0658]

Egnater cabs are very well built and usually come with nicely paired celestions or Egnater branded such as Elite-80 (tweaked Classic Lead 80). I'd grab it in a heartbeat but I suppose people don't know anything othet than Mesa and Marshall

[@KelticKabukiGirl]

@@phantomflame0658 I have the Tourmaster 2x12 combo with partially open back and the tweaked bass response but they are Celestians. I want to harvest them but am selling the amp, I already have a lighter pedal platform amp but its too low gain and need the money

[@jasondorsey7110]

​@@phantomflame0658picked up an egnater 1x12 with a g12 heritage for less than the speaker would cost new, put an ev 12l in it and it sounds great, and put the g12 in a crate tube amp and that was a nice upgrade too

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

AAAAHHHHH! CASE BY CASE BASISSSSSS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@spoonerluv]

If you're of age, you can rent a U-Haul or Lowes truck for very little money if you're driving in town. Maybe a bit of an off the wall recommendation but it's super clutch in a pinch.

[@dan_kay]

Only in the US...

[@needsLITHIUM]

@@dan_kay and everywhere else can still do a taxi or a ride share...

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I haven't done this for a guitar cab, but definitely rented a truck from Home Depot and Lowes for an hour to get appliances, furniture, etc.

[@richardclark.]

or just maybe think about having a car before you buy some more guitar stuff. maybe get off of moms couch and cut down on the edibles.

[@spoonerluv]

​@@richardclark. Not everyone has a car that can fit a 4x12 megamind

[@EzyoMusic]

I replaced the T-75s with random used speakers that interest me, in my 1960 but kept the T-75s, which I will put back if I ever sell the 1960.

[@MrBikboi]

Wholeheartedly agree especially for 4x12s.

[@EPortillo5000]

I have upgraded my Marshall MG15DFX that comes with a generic chinese speaker with a Celestion Super 8, that same upgrade is done by many people and some other just put a line out to connet it to a cab. Indeed upgrade a behringer is not a wise move and cabs can be found for cheap but in this case a combo with good electronics and crap speaker is different.

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

I just keep the original speakers, and put them back in when I sell a cab or amp,... same with tubes. All the European stuff comes out, and all the Chinese stuff goes back in, when it comes time to sell or trade. I just assumed everyone did this.

[@mikeruppe]

I have bought Marshall 1960 cabs all the time for $350-400 and they have the gt75’s that are my all time favorite speakers, good points in this video. Buy used! Get good quality for less money 💵

[@27retrodaze]

I spent $1200 on a brand new Soldano 412 w/V30's and that thing is priceless to me... All my guitars and gear have been through looking for deals and finding them... But i splurged on my cab... 🤘 💩💩💩🎸☠️🎛️🥁💩💩💩

[@devilslide01]

I know it’s not 💯 % the same, but before I bought a cab , or speakers to change, I would cat the torpedo captor X and load it up with celestion IRs and figure out what I really like. I’ve had this Blackstar Artist 15 combo which is totally not a metal amp, but at times I use it as such. I’m not in love with the sound and am wondering if it’s that it’s a V “Type” speaker, that it a 1x12, that I need a parametric eq, or a combination of those things. I think even a 2x12 would be an upgrade and is cheaper than that captor X. Just my thoughts, been playing 38 years and 💩

[@joekt22]

The speakers matter more than anything else ... change them

[@Joseph-y6p]

No one makes the cab I want... So I'm going to have to build it. I think you are miss representing Glenn's argument. He largely talks about putting better speakers in say a vintage king... Thing, what ever they are called. And that could be a 1x12 combo, or a 2x12, You an always buy second hand speakers... I NEVER sell gear! I collect it, and hoard it lol. Seriously... I have a problem... I'm lucky, I have a studio. It's rehearsal rooms. I have a room there and I teach. I used to manage the whole place. People leave gear ALL THE TIME! It's crazy what they leave! So, I hoover up hear all the time! So for me, it is a good idea, because the stuff is free lol. But I get not everyone is in my position. Got a 4x12 with pre rola greenbacks in it. OOOOFFFF! And a 60's AC30, with original blue speakers! Anyway, I've subbed XD

[@josephglassman9844]

Good video, Kyle. Yes I agree with most of what you are saying here. It makes sense when buying and selling but We need to use all Marshall cabs with Greenbacks in our band to get the sound we need when playing live. I enjoy your videos and I want to see something about bass equipment if you can. :)

[@Albee213]

I agree and don't at the same time. I stopped tone chasing years ago and just use what I have. That's how you get an original tone vs someone else and if you tone chase it will never end. I would rather jam then worry about my tone. I am no gear snob but I do prefer a few brands and also like it to match. Not important, but its what I like. So, unless something is terrible sounding or broken, I just leave it alone.

[@collierpj]

💩I have swapped out speakers and found some bargains, the best being the 1960BV for £200. I just bought a Hughes and Kettner Blue Vortex, comes with Celestion Rockdrivers, for £75. Speakers I'll buy second hand where possible. I recently installed some FRFR speakers into a 1960A cab, (2 2nd hand 2 new) so I could run IR's instead of swapping speakers.

[@JonDeth]

*With my formal background in the science of electrical/electronics engineering I will tell you that in general, the entire electronics industry robs their customers blind in some manner or another.* I also figure you know their secret which is they have an inductor on them which is an attempt to clean them up since Behringer amps are so terrible lol. They did a good job at stealing the Sansamp, but as with almost all semiconductor based circuits, it falls short, theirs worse than others. If you can get the right series of these cabs, they're loaded with Jensen MOD's which is actually one of my favorite modern speakers, especially in 10's. As far as the cheap Celestion Rocket 50, I have some floating around and they're hugely overrated and overpriced. They came in my ancient low budge Crate half stack cabinets. I also have some vintage Carvin BR-12's and these blow away the Celestions, but the MOD's are a good equivalent. My only regret for selling the Behringer cabinet I had is I paid $200 for it new back when there was no tax and shipping was free. As far as replacing any speakers in general, most people would be far happier modifying the tone stack for their amp. It's one of the biggest problems with solid-state amps, but I would have to write a dissertation to explain what exactly the companies do wrong in their designs, and also make the point that after 20 years of being neck deep in electronics, 10+ years after going to college, it's intentional. *The solution isn't exactly pretty, but it is absolutely simple.*

[@KelticKabukiGirl]

💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩I am saddened by the lack of Poop emojis, this man gives so much and asks for so little!!💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

[@lucasmunoz6951]

I bought a used Mesa Boogie Traditional 4x12 loaded with V30s from Guitar Center for 600 bucks about 2-3 years ago...just gotta keep your eyes open guys.

[@SlobodaBalint]

Those deals are unreal... in the EU it's so much harder. First there are not many people selling, second thing they give you a Kustom combo for 200€ 😅 good used cabs go for around 600€ (Orange, Mesa) and I'm talking 2x12s, cuz that's what I hunt for.

[@christophvoid6763]

This seems to be the advice for collectors witch in that case yeah keep it stock and get yourself a Gibson while you're at it But for most of us modify our gear it's working musicians who don't care about reselling gear we just need something that gets the sound and gets it cheap

[@An2oine]

He is trying to say, "Don't buy a cab to upgrade. Buy one with your choice speaker, used if possible." Local sales on cabs. are inexpensive. Cabs. don't get shipped unless they are special.

[@m.a.6478]

My hot take: Before you buy new stuff: - turn the f'ing knobs on the gear you have - invest time into practice - try to suppress GAS

[@bb_lz9790]

💩 Great video and I appreciate your comments. Kind of ironic that you're advising against changing speakers in a 4x12 but then offering several scenarios where you've parted out 4x12s thereby requiring the buyer of the empty cabinet to reload it with speakers... Beyond that, I agree with your comment about GC's more than reasonable shipping prices on big speaker cabinets!

[@slayabouts]

You're wrong in everything you just said💩 Kidding, love the channel. I think the key point is that you shouldn't upgrade a cheap cab if you plan on trying to turn it around. There's nothing wrong with upgrading one if you plan on keeping it, just hold on to the cheap speakers and swap the speakers back out if you do wind up selling it or, like you said, sell them separately. I think the marketplace still hasn't caught up with the current wave of information on the importance of the speakers

[@needsLITHIUM]

So you're saying swapping speakers is only a good idea if you never plan to sell the cab, and either keep it and the speakers forever, or just trade out the speakers and keep the cab itself forever? What about if you buy an unloaded cab and put the speakers you want in it? Every point you make is valid, but only if you're constantly chasing GAS. What if you only make forever purchases, and don't deal in used gear unless you're the one buying someone else's used gear? Glenn Fricker put some new speakers in a Behringer 4x12 cab, and it sounded amazing. If you're selling stuff and swapping out gear, yeah, it's a terrible investment, I agree, but if you're only concerned with the sound, not the financial investment, are financially stable but not necessarily wealthy, and plan to only sell stuff in emergency situations, I don't see an issue with it.

[@Revolvor]

If you want v30s get a harley benton cab. The cabs are about as much as the speakers alone.

[@shawnupchurch998]

I came here to say you are crazy if you think replacing speakers is dumb, but after listening to your reasoning you have a good point. When it comes to resale its definitely not worth it. I see why people do it though. It definitely does improve your sound and a lot of people don't have the money to buy a celestian loaded 4x12. So buying a cheap cab gives you something to use while buying your vintage 30s one at a time. Once you have 4, then swap them out. Save the cheap speakers and put them back in if you ever decide to sell.

[@francobuzzetti9424]

i get your point on value and i really love the idea of just getting a good cab with speakers you like already in it yet i still think the speaker thing is a matter of "$ per frequency response shift" it's better to spend 300 on a speaker than spending 300 on pickups. what I'd do is just get an frfr speaker and an IR loader overall you raised great points on the video!

[@JasonTheMunicipalMechanic]

I have been looking for a 4x12 Mesa cab and I saw two on guitar center used for an ok price. I didn’t look into them because I assumed the shipping was gonna be ridiculous. I just looked and you are right about 36 dollars. Lucky me there gone now but Ill keep looking and now I know. Wish I saw this and knew a week ago.

[@susancorgi]

"Some people have comment lock and load before watching.." .lol love it. Great advice ever for the cabinet upgrade and i did that once bought a dirt cheap cab box and upgraded with V30 and it sounded so crappy for some reasons so i sold it and lost money, because buyer did't care about the speakers as much as the brand of the cab box, so never again,. Now with just 2 x 12 Mesa cab V30 i bought it for 500 usd, and now it sounds 100 times better. 2 x12 is enough for my bed room.

[@greghitt1704]

💩🚽 I put Eminence DV77 / CV75 in X pattern in a cheap Marshall Valvestate cab (just to round out the options) - double 💩💩 The States has a fantastic used gear market. I often grab pedals or guitars when I’m there but 412’s not so easy on the plane back home. I built my own cabs with new speakers to round out the options.

[@cruller23]

Good info. Cheap MDF cabs sound cheap. Sure, nicer speakers can sound better, but it’s not worth it. Wait for a better birch ply cab, those can sound good with cheap speakers! (I’m looking at you, Marshall 1960). 4x12” cabs have never been cheaper, though. A benefit of the smaller amp fashion. However, I fully believe that it’s worth changing speakers in combos, if you know what you like. Always keep the original speakers when you resell, though.

[@orbitalclass]

The point in changing your speakers is to change the tone. Speakers are definitely the easiest and fastest way to change your overall tone

[@MrNEWDY]

Fwiw I live in the expensive area of Seattle and I was still able to score a marshall oversized style cab with 4 UKv30s for $400 So you're pretty spot on here, 412 cabs don't hold a lot of value. Love that cab tho.

[@aaronguffey6353]

Upgrades can be a awesome deal but you are correct the price isn't worth it. Cheap used can be a winner!

[@florian_thrash]

[obligatory yelling at you comment]!!!!

[@AlexSMarie]

I don't think Glenn would disagree, it still the same point that the speaker makes the tone difference, and it's in good faith of saving viewers money.

[@belligerentamateur]

Never said he would disagree

[@junglemast3r]

Even iff you aren't interested in re-selling your cab, you would spend so much upgrading speakers you might as well buy a loaded cab, HARLEY BENTON CABS ARE AMAZING TOO.

[@trojanhman8136]

What about the cabinet itself?

[@TSBrinster]

I don’t usually comment on things, especially if what I want to say is not positive. BUT, in this case, I feel compelled to do it. You aren’t looking at this in even close to the right way. Nobody should listen to you, unless they are looking for advice on becoming a music store owner, or are going to get involved in the buying and selling of music gear. For a player interested is finding the right tone, creating a unique sound, or is in any way concerned about their art, you aren’t helping - and you’re doing damage. First of all, buying gear solely on the basis of its resale value will make the buyer become trapped in the everyday, pedestrian existing paradigm of tone - by definition, what is popular is what everyone is doing. It’s a good way to be stuck using the gear that everybody else is. Next, some of most interesting sounding gear has come from obscure places, from things that nobody wants. Eventually, the demand for it will spike (Josh Homme’s Peavey practice amp is a good example), but initially it wouldn’t have much of a resale value. Next, if you’re a gigging musician and can find a way to upgrade your 4x12 Behringer speaker cabinet, waiting and saving is not going to help you on the job. It sounds like a good idea, what you say, but it’s not applicable to the real world, for working people. If your sound is lousy in the job, you probably won’t have that job for very long. A better piece of advice would be to tell the player to save the existing speakers, so that upon resale of the cab, it can be sold with the cheaper speakers - and the more expensive ones can be rehomed in another piece of gear, or sold separately. The only monetary concern that an artist should consider AT ALL when purchasing some gear is “how can I afford this?” Everything else is secondary to the pursuit of quality and the growth of creativity. Even if it’s fiscally unwise, a decision that results in better art is never a mistake - if making art is your goal. If your goal is to make money, you’re better off in another industry.

[@TSBrinster]

I’m looking at some of your replies to comments that say things that are similar to what I’m saying, and I’m kind of shocked that you would be so smug and dismissive of your viewers. Your advice isn’t all that clever or insightful, and I actually don’t think that it would be that helpful for a working musician. And , using the example of the Behringer cab, if that’s what a person has, the fact that there are better cabs out there to be had is irrelevant to the immediate need. If a person can make that MDF cab sound better in time for the gig tonight, I would hope that they would do it. And figure the rest out later. Because keeping the crappy speakers in the crappy cab for a couple months while you wait for the perfect investment is a bad idea. Much better to swap out the speakers, and later buy a better cab without speakers and put the quality speakers into that. If you care about serving the needs of the viewing audience, you should take the criticism (that it’s a matter of improving the sound, not a financial issue) and adjust your content. Either that, or make sure that you are very clear that you are making this video for collectors or flippers, and not musicians. Because nothing about your approach speaks to the needs or values of musicians. I can’t help but think that you revealed a little bit too much near the start of the video, when you said that you weren’t much of a player. I can’t help thinking that maybe if you were more of a player, you would understand the indignation of those who have made sacrifices in order to play, who have poured a lot of money into their art with little hope of a ROI - because they value the end result, and not how much they can get if they sell their tools.

[@J2Metal]

I get your POV but in the end it’s investment vs enjoyment. Yeah you can buy a “good” cab cheaper than building one but is it the “right” cab. Hobbies are often lost leaders when it comes to money and investments because the idea isn’t to make money but enjoy the hobby (unless your hobby is making money, haha). When I went out looking for an amp after I got my first career job I didn’t go out looking for a “good” amp i went out looking for the right amp for me. I’m sure I could have saved a ton by looking for deals and ended up with something I was satisfied with but what I bought I was overjoyed with and to me enjoyment is what I am investing in rather than resale value. To each their own though. Oh and 💩

[@dominuslevian9266]

So if your opinion is only based on the resale price of the equipment you get which its not targeting real musicians but music related sales ppl... The main dumb thing I made this morning (this far) was falling in this clickbait video.

[@belligerentamateur]

Sounds like someone didn't comprehend what was said in the video.

[@LPMojoGL]

Last year I got a full JMP stack with G2-65s. Flipped the speakers and slant cab. Dig V30s, Greenbacks, H75s and G12h30s much more. Kept the straight cab, loaded with GBs. Have another 4x12 with V30s, a 2x12 with V30 H75 mix (my fav mix in a 2x12) and a 1x12 that I load with whatever for whatever. Oh, and have some Scumbacks in my Marshall 4104. :) Speakers and cabs def change the tone. 💩

[@Mr.Goldbar]

I'm kinda on the opposite. Resale value is something I don't care about at all, and sometimes I go with the lowest resale value on purpose. Looking at gear as stocks rather than tools is a destructive mindset in my personal opinion. The last thing I wanna do is selling gear. I'm done with the trial and error, I decided that I'll never ever sell another guitar or any other piece of gear in my life and I'm in a point in my life when I can do it. I found my thing, I know what I want and I know how to get it, and if I end up upgrading it's always good to keep the old stuff as backup. Locking myself in the resale value spiral ends up just giving me more anxiety and not allowing me to enjoy gear to the fullest or find cool stuff that's under the radar. It's easy to say "well just get a new cab" if your taste is something as common as a V30. If you're more experimental in what you want, like let's say different combos of Celestions or companies that are not even Celestion it's much easier and cheaper to find a cheap cab and putting these in rather than order a custom cab with these speakers, especially if you're into vertical 2x12s. And some of us don't live in the US or anywhere that has a huge used market like that. I imagine I'd go for a Marshall MX cab and just put whatever speakers I'd want in it.

[@AVM-Music]

I started out the same way: buying, selling and trading, but I’m no collector: I’m a player who buys most of my stuff previously used in order to make the journey cheaper. Doing it this way means I get to experiment with sounds and gear, keep what I like, move on those that I don’t. For me: music is like modifying cars: the money spent doesn’t equate to money returned, but it’s the journey and the experience :)

[@cruiserdavid8570]

💩You have some great points man. I’ve had the same experiences. The cheaper cabs end up being worth, at the most what the speakers are worth used, and that’s it. Their are deals out there if you look though.

[@bvanhoosen]

Sometimes Guitar Center gets inundated with 4x12s and then prices the used stuff SO LOW. I’ve found some crazy deals on vintage Marshall cabs. 💩

[@morko5150]

I think both you and Glenn are right, you just have different perspectives. Your point when it comes to being money efficent is definitely true, especially for people that can't afford all the expensive gear. However, I watched maaany Glenn's videos and his main point is that speakers and cabs matter the most when it comes to tone. He never really showcased the speaker swaps in cheap cabs as the ultimate solution, but as a better thing to do than changing the pickups, as a different speaker can really change the tone. And I think he would actually agree with you, as he hates spending too much money.

[@belligerentamateur]

absolutely, I never said he was wrong. I merely used him as an example of people talking about speakers on the internet

[@EXRICHEX]

What about just upgrading the mic'd speaker? I have 2 4x12 B52 cabs that are well built, but the speakers are meh. Most of everywhere I play will be mic'd, so couldn't I just get away with buying 2 used celestions and taping off which one to mic?

[@WTWASTHAT]

I'm very lucky where I live old Marshall cabs (english made) are $450ish all day. Sometimes less for slant cabs. Some days you'll get lucky and they'll already have v30s. Worst case, they'll have g12t-75s and i can just sell em.

[@claycountryxwing10]

I feel you and Glenn are basically saying the same things with these speakers. Upgrading doesn't always mean buy new like you have said and sometimes it's still cheaper to replace something. But what Glenn has basically said is that you will get better sound from your speakers then anything else in the chain. The speakers are the most important part.

[@CS-ru4xd]

💩I recommend asking the GC you are getting the cab from, before buying it, what method of shipping they are planning on using. I say this because I had a cab shipped from a GC outside of my state and they shipped it "Freight" instead of UPS and the freight company (It was Yellow Freight) could not get their truck up into my housing plan and therefore took the cab to the nearest Yellow Freight hub( which was across town) and I had to retrieve it myself. I pitched a fit and since I ordered it through my local GC, but had them ship it directly to my house, the manager (somehow) got my shipping and 50% off the price of the cab refunded to me for my troubles. All said and done, I ended up paying $150.00 for a Carvin Legacy (Bottom) cab which I still have. 😁

[@lalalol36]

Lol. I had the same thing happen and that's how I came to own my first shipping pallet. Lol

[@TheStrykerProject]

Well, 💩❗Thanks for the info, Kyle. Your thoughts are much appreciated. I guess, in brief defense of Glenn, I think his reasoning behind his claim is different than your reasoning. I hear your point of view as being 'investment driven', while I believe Glenn's point of view is 'change what you already have with bigger impact at lower cost'. For example, I think Glenn is sayin, if you already have a setup (amp, cab, guitar) and you want to improve the tone, spending $170 on ONE speaker (and micing the new one) will change your tone (hopefully for the better) than spending $200+ on new pickups, or $400+ on a new amp or a new set of tubes. I agree with that, given the evidence, and I've done that, to my delight. However, I totally agree with you, as well, when considering the INVESTMENT value of the gear. Instead of swapping out my speaker, I could have spent $250+ on a used, loaded cab and come out *ahead* with the investment! But...there's another argument in Glenn's favor: I don't have the room for a full half-stack speaker cab! Again, I definitely appreciate your thoughts and I agree that used gear can be a gold mine!

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

I buy shitty 412 cabs loaded with good speakers for cheap and give away the cabs for free sometimes. Swapping speakers is the biggest improvement you can make if you’re not satisfied. 212 cabs are the way to go. Easy to move. Loud enough for any application. Hook a few together.

[@rezarcher]

The question is who are you trying to be, the guy who owns the music store or Eddie Van Halen? It's a valid point however, i would say middle ground, buy your celestian speaker upgrade used.

[@重信房子-t8n]

Agree by a Part: 1. Why do you not like your AMP Tone , did you not test the AMP befor buying ? 2. 1st try to dail in your AMP and EQ and Pedal the AMP, maybe there is even the option of an Pedal replacing the Gainstage of your AMP instead. 3. Mostly the Speaker of your AMP was choosen well by people know what speaker will fit in there the best. To change the Speaker you get an totally different AMP in Sound, just the Basic does stay the same And you have to know the speakers , the speaker you play atm and the speaker you wanna buy you have to know the direction it will go even before you will change. You have to know all that will change and all that you got atm, or you will end up unhappy again. Upgrading is also the Wrong word , you will end up with a different tone, does not say better or worse , it might be just fit for what you are going to go for when you know what you are doing or maybe not at all. Also to mention , you have to play a while new speakers , the sound will still settle after the speaker did work some hours. Money does not play much a role. But there is no better speaker, the tone is just different , its the same with pick ups there is just a difference in tone and not a better or worse. When you got a very boxy totally cheap amp or an Hi Def Expensive AMP you got an Lo Fi filter in front, they will be similar in Tone because there is no better at all.

[@MrKilllthelightt]

Poop emoji! People putting eminence in their cabs are literally so frustrated that they are throwing money out of moving car windows. I did replace a speaker in one of my combos, 6505+ 112 I switched it to a V30, but the original speaker was badly damaged.

[@ALBUMHUNTERS]

Thanks for the reasale caution, Kyle! It's the same way with guitar modding: just because you tricked out a Squier Affinity DOES NOT mean it will sell for the same amount you put into it. After watching Jim Lill's vid on speaker cabinet geometry, I think I'm just going to build my own 2 x 12, put a Hesu Demon and Hempback in it, and not care about the resale.

[@SalasKaleb]

Pretty sure most folks are buying gear to rock out not as an investment, mostly because guitar equipment is a terrible investment.

[@blondoband]

Alrighty - don’t know if this will help anybody make some decisions, but here goes: I have a pair of 212 Avatar cabs, one closed back and one open back. For those unfamiliar, Avatar is brand of guitar & bass speaker cabinet manufacturer. I purchased the first of the two cabs in 2017, with stock Chinese V30s. Fast forward some years, I got rid of the Chinese V30s. I end up getting a pair of (new) UK Greenbacks, a pair of (used) G12T-75s, and just about a month ago, a single (used) UK V30 (I have more speakers than cabs currently 😂) I have opened up those cabs each handfuls of times. I’ve gone back and forth. Here’s the point I’m trying to make. Over the course of about 7 years, I’ve tried all sorts of combinations. My tastes have changed gradually. And I can’t say for sure that any current setup will always work for me. However…. I have forever accepted that I’m making a relatively blind purchase with each. I spend months with a particular setup, I gig with it live, and every gig I treat it as a bit of an experiment. There is no definite answer for what will work for you forever; and in that regard, my dude’s advice is completely sound. You can change so many variables while you do these things. To me, it’s always been fun. I’ve learned so much in the process. To save yourself from giving up on something, the best advice I can give anybody is simply: if something isn’t working, and you feel the need to change something, change as few variables as you can at a time. So, if you are wanting to buy new speakers, before you commit to a pair, or a set, try just one. These things are investments.

[@chrishall5176]

Ok so I see both your argument as well as Glen flickers as well. Here is me happy medium... be patient and buy quality cabs with good speakers in then, and if you get tired of the tone in said good cabinet upgrade the speakers and sell off the good speakers you took out of them the offset the cost.

[@truescotsman4103]

My fender combo has a vintage 30 in it. Are you telling me I'm not supposed to try to upgrade that? You think a vintage 30 can get a fender sound?

[@damonwolf7222]

I had a Randall Kirk Hammett Signature Series XL cab with the 100 watt Celestions in it that was AWESOME and I got it for dirt cheap at Guitar Center. 💩

[@Deckardkane420]

this sounds like such a jew opinion on speakers/profit, we want a sound not our $$, we want to use our $$ to keep our gear and have the sound we want from speakers that have a strong true tested lineage. I know several people who upgraded cab speakers and in 10 yrs they still rock the shit out of their upgraded cabs. upgrade to the speakers you want people and get your sound and product you want and if you love it you will never sell it, rock it.

[@belligerentamateur]

Wow dude, you are the turdiest of turds using terms like that. Do better.

[@Deckardkane420]

the world is full of it(turds), so get the sensitive skin of yours some roughness, cuz life will never be a cake walk and be a better MAN and not let words hurt that sensitive glass ur made of. I grew up with friends calling me sp1c and i called them shit back and we are all still friends to this day and we laugh and tell non-PC jokes and terms to each other all the time, new gen full of p4ssys, there's no doing better, you get tougher skin like a man, cuz the world is a tough place to live, nature over nurture, nature always wins, nature is unforgiving as is the world so get some toughness and dont be such a fxg @@belligerentamateur

[@emailchrismoll]

The line 6 v30 cab was amazing

[@B31L]

its what i use right now its pretty cool

[@travisspaulding2222]

Got mine from Guitar Center for $200. They didn't even bat an eye when I showed up to the store to pick it up with my electric screwdriver to pull off the back to make sure someone didn't rob the speakers out of it, lol. I was so close to pulling the trigger on a Harley Benton 2x12 when I saw that. It was cheaper and a 4x12. Win/win, haha.

[@CS-ru4xd]

Was? Still is.... when you come across one! lol

[@BigTyronie]

I had one of those from the first batch. The head was sold after six months lol but the cab was used with a bogner/line6 head and then a bogner uberschall

[@emailchrismoll]

built way more sturdy than a Marshall too@@travisspaulding2222

[@Doughnut3340]

your not wrong but you are arguing resale vs tone. glen is offering advice to upgrade the tone. sometimes we can only afford what we can afford and its more cost effective to swap a speaker or two. currently rocking a yamaha 2x12 mismatched cab. i love the one speaker but the other is muddy. it makes more sense to swap the one speaker and create my own sound. to each his own though!!

[@rustynales4597]

You're right especially when you can get a used mesa for $700 on a good day

[@DownDeepFishing]

Ok, one, I'm not gigging and don't need a 4-12 cab, but I do need a great sounding amp. So I'll buy a used celestion speaker so my amps sound even better. I use wet dry configuration. And it's awesome.

[@johnharrison8109]

💩💩 I thought I was going to disagree, but you make great points, however I’ve found that for myself I’ve bought the upgrade speakers and save the old speakers so when I sell that piece of equipment I just reload the speakers it came with and load my preferred speakers into the new gear. If you’re not doing that then yeah upgrading speakers would be a waste of money.

[@AndiPicker]

So the issue isn't really "don't upgrade your speakers" it's "don't pay full retail for speakers that you can get cheaper second hand".

[@waitin4winter]

So…you’re not actually saying upgrading your speakers is dumb. You’re saying don’t sell a cab with upgraded speakers, sell the speakers separately.

[@zerosoma33]

Bought my Crate Excalibur half stack from a stoner kid for $140 in 2005. Sold the head on eBay for $250 and kept the cab this whole time. Have used it on 6 records and 3 EPs. Countless shows. It’s super tough. It was in a flood and the bottom two speakers were ruined, but since it’s built like a tank with a Line-X type exterior the water did nothing to the exterior or the frame. Flipped that baby over and replaced all the speakers with Greenbacks and Ampeg G12Ls. Back in business. That cab was the best investment ever. 💩 oh and here you go Kyle

[@richardclark.]

i had a crate practice amp i turned into a monitor for our drummer. it came out of the back of a pickup going 60 mph down a country road and bounced about 50 feet. we plugged it in when we got to the bar and it fired right up! lol

[@ooDemiurgus]

You make a lot of valid points. I don't "replace" speakers (unless I need to because it's toast) But, after listening to every speaker out there from Glenn's video, I built twin 2/12 cabs. I got cheap Sonic empty cabs off Amazon in a groovy orange color, (actually pretty solid birch plywood) and I loaded them each with a 150w Celestian redback for the lows and a 60w Celestian Cream back Neo for the mids/highs. They sound awesome! In stereo! I don't worry about resale, these are for my home studio.

[@mitchellofficial591]

For me personally I think being able to actually know how to dial in a tone is important. You can fluctuate so much tone variations between your volume and tone knobs on your guitar and shocking to hear... YOUR AMP TOO. Before deciding its absolutely necessary to change out or spend money on any equipment.

[@billbob4856]

Same with modding cars. $3000 lift or turbo =\= $3000 value increase. Most of the time the value decreases.