How Challenger Junglers End Games Fast (and why you don't)

[@Eagzv9]

Remember to activate your windows...climb tiers: eagz.gg Lots of recent coaching sessions: patreon.com/eagz (and Agurin should just run from Drake to Baron in the final clip)

[@SorakaOTP462]

KMSpico. Google it, can't add more info or youtube may auto delete this comment.

[@SorakaOTP462]

KMSpico.

[@alibabapirce9782]

its all cute until you take in to account that often shoving that wave means one of our laners will throw out a tantrum cause you farmed that wave and will either leave game or even worse he will start trolling you 24/7 :D sometimes even if shoving wave is better choice we shouldnt do it because it might trigger menially weak laners to lose game

[@ahnadiri]

@@alibabapirce9782 ur not really jgling if ur not perma mute all bro

[@Eagzv9]

@@alibabapirce9782 are you a jungler or not bro, take that shi

[@sairozeth7446]

I really love these short videos discussing different jungle macros. It's easy enough to digest and long enough not to be easily forgettable

[@Eagzv9]

thanks for the input bro and comment

[@smeargut1809]

Worst feeling when you ace the enemy team and your team backs to buy with camps and drakes up.

[@Eagzv9]

are you included in that smeargut? 😊

[@nooneatall5612]

What a great lesson man, many times people teach and they just give you some nebulous concepts, this one was crystal clear.

[@Eagzv9]

well yeh it’s me…thanks though haha

[@jahdiddat1989]

i feel like these videos make me think about concepts id never think of as simple as they are, appreciated

[@Eagzv9]

np bro

[@flux8690]

Easily the best league educational channel on KZbin, much appreciated

[@Eagzv9]

means a lot ty

[@DarthExylum-w7o]

I LOVE that you give multiple examples with explanations. Makes it so easy to understand. Thanks Eagz, am on my way to not being shit

[@Eagzv9]

np man

[@Skelettie]

This really helped, I never realized that I wasn't utilising enemy death timers properly, the only time I'd really ever think about a death timer is the enemy junglers to see if I can steal their topside/botside camps. Really informative, great stuff so thanks man :)

[@Eagzv9]

thanks so much for the comment bro, glad you found it useful

[@Skelettie]

@@Eagzv9 Lost 5 games in a row after trying this ⚰

[@iamrhebeastuwoeship]

Love this video, showing the bigger picture.

[@Eagzv9]

thanks bro

[@LuckyGnom]

The advise here is really good and teaches good habits. However, good macro habits in low elo don't mean sht most of the time. I was really happy to see the dragon example at 1:50 because this is something that I like to do and always encourage my soloq or clash teams to do. So, the problem here is that people in emerald and lower don't understand this. I summon herald (or even worse, ask to siege without it cuz I don't have it) and in a majority of cases people will just refuse because "there is a dragon, we need to take it". Even if one guy will go do the dragon it will already be 4v4 not 5v4, hence I'm forced to go and take dragon with him and slow the game down. Same with 5:00 example. :( I feel like learning how tf is Kanavi 12-4 at 15 minutes is way more important in low elo.

[@Eagzv9]

so if you play like a challenger in low elo (in regards to what's taught in the video) it won't work...ive had this comment a few times...yes, sometimes your teammates won't go to baron with you, and yes they might not go with the herald play, but as long as you still get something out of it (like a drake, waves, tower) it's fine

[@TnTyson81]

Big fan of this type of content. Wp Eagz 👍

[@Eagzv9]

ty bro

[@antares6998]

the style of taking excerpt of different level games and walking through alternative moves is very pedagogical

[@Eagzv9]

thanks bro

[@mondongo2783]

very good and clear video 🤠

[@Eagzv9]

thanks man

[@miguelcoelho7365]

After start watching your videos a couple of weeks ago, I am 16!!! back to back wins in my games as a jungle, 8 of them in ranked. I feel confident shotcalling in games, I always know what to do, and only once in these 16 games I was gapped by the other jungler.

[@Eagzv9]

ayy keep it up bro 👊

[@TechGuyDane]

Great video sir. This is great short form content that is easily digestible and immediately actionable. Keep it up!

[@Eagzv9]

thank you man

[@TwixTheBengal]

Super informative tips in such a short and simple video. Great job

[@Eagzv9]

thank you bro

[@seany3127]

Seeing your vids again lately has had me absolutely dominating.

[@Eagzv9]

i got you seany, i saw too many vids full of bad info, time to take over again

[@seany3127]

@ been a Nunu 1 trick for 3 splits and this split since getting into keshaeuw. Mostly play it tank now though. Diamond 3 splits running, haven’t been able to play much lately so this split stuck in emerald, slow climb. Watched “accelerated jungling” and won like 9/10 games. I’m so much more dominant now! Think I can finally go for masters this split with how good it’s feeling!

[@Eagzv9]

@@seany3127 that's amazing man glad that video helped

[@jakegrey5405]

really thank you for these tips.. they are really really helpful ..I main mid.. but secondary is jg and i always been pretty bad there when i got it.. But now I (thanks to u) can focus on the things that matter and grow more..

[@Eagzv9]

np bro thanks for the comment

[@leroyjenkins1032]

This is a good idea if your team groups for the objective.

[@Eagzv9]

if they dont respond to your pings then look for something else (waves, towers etc)

[@MrEpile]

loving the new content!

[@Eagzv9]

thanks bro

[@Oinkiepiggy]

Thank you coach eagz for teaching me to win quick so that way I can end the game faster to avoid having my drunk step dad coming into my room and beating my ass with his belt.

[@circIe3]

Definitely will think about towers a bit more as objectives when jungling

[@parasocks1613]

Great content! I really like the subversion, it helps exercise the mental and provoke real understanding!

[@Eagzv9]

thanks man

[@rokasb9441]

Most important lesson - not everyone is safe :DD

[@josefkun7466]

Great video I always try to do things like that, but usually my team doesnt listen haha

[@Eagzv9]

if team doesnt respond then waves, towers etc

[@charsasd7294]

That beard make you look wisder eagzy

[@Eagzv9]

wiser and wider combined?

[@charsasd7294]

@@Eagzv9 🤭

WAIT WHAT? BRO I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR RETURN. Last video i saw of you is how to hypertrack. I legit was waitingg how did youtube not show me that you uploaded? omgggg im so mad now ANYWAYS THO, I FINALLY HIT DIAMOND LAST SPLIT. GOD BLESS U!! time to watch amazing content again, happy eagz is back

[@Eagzv9]

thank you bro haha

[@Wonderboy205]

Because challenger jungles have challenger teammates that also know how to end a game fast.

[@Eagzv9]

so they wouldn't be able to elevate their teammates in low by pinging plays?

[@nostress-lh3kc]

70% of the times they don't give a sht about your ping because they think they know better. How to manage this​@@Eagzv9

[@SkyaTura]

Did you ever played iron/bronze?

[@Eagzv9]

@@SkyaTura then do the next best thing (waves, towers)

[@Wonderboy205]

@@Eagzv9 imagine thinking low Elo players listen to pings

[@suhhhkyle]

My favorite part is when we get a 1-2 kill advantage, and I ping dragon/baron pit obj or a turret. My teammates do not respond, and of course I try to take it alone resulting in me having to leave early, or just not try at all. Then late game, my team spamming jungle diff 0 objs. :)

[@Eagzv9]

if team doesnt respond then waves, towers etc

[@theteamxxx3142]

just 1 thing the baron play 4 vs 5 can win u the game or lose the game and this happens in competitive a lot where an western team starts baron being 5 vs 4 and either gets aced or baron stolen . I think u just have to consider the enemy comp and see who's fed and who's dead . The enemy jungle is alive ? it might be a flip . The enemy comp is high range poke and they can melt u over baron or engage comp and win 4 vs 5 because baron shreds ur res , CCes u and damages u ? be careful the baron bait might now work in practice . If the enemy jungler dies instead of the sup ur not playing a flip u just have to be careful about getting engaged and not properly turn around while doing baron

[@Eagzv9]

they have insane baron dps and enough hp, can always turn if need be with diana and yas - i could point those things out but it’s not the point of the video

[@celloj3703]

I think this is called the “inside out” rule, which I actually follow more consistently than some other rules. My midgame tends to be better than my early game, and it gets kinda frustrating sometimes when the enemy jungler is 5/1 off my teammates and I can’t seem to path to a lane that isn’t pushing. I play scaling junglers so I can’t let the game snowball out of control

[@Eagzv9]

yeh kinda, i say ‘out to in’, so you reach out first then come back in

[@IC-23]

either I'm crazy or league stereotypes propagate themselves. Fairly new player KZbin just back to back to back gave me 3 different role guides. The top lane one told the player it's okay to be selfish, but patience is key at the end of the day. The ADC one sung their praises, YOU are the main character, YOU are better than your teammates etc And this jungle guide is telling youbto focus on the bigger picture putting your team before yourself...

[@Eagzv9]

is that what you took from the video bro? to play for teammates…it’s to play for ending the game (by taking away from enemy team)…if your teammates don’t help then waves/towers

[@IC-23]

@Eagzv9 oh no I understood what and why you did what you're doing I just think it's funny that each underlying tone in the video corresponded to role stereotypes

[@tarasina6201]

Although this is really true, but I'm not sure this aplies below diamond, cuz I can guarantee that in example with hecarim, if he took top wave in platinum for example, a lot of toplaners would've been tilted, cuz laners have a reflex that when jungle takes waves, no matter situaton, they immediately get tilted. Otherwise great video, and of course not all players are like this, but still something to consider

[@Eagzv9]

if they tilt bro for you getting closer to the enemy nexus then no problem, they would tilt off something anyway, strong mental

[@guppybass]

hey Mr.Eagz. Love your videos they help me a lot. Genuine question for the plat example: all available minions are dead by the time hecarim finishes the blue and the wave is already crashed and bouncing back to teemo as he is walking back to lane right? iirc lane creeps give u much less gold and exp as a jungler before 20 minutes. from the teemos perspective if my jungler takes this full wave and turret as i am walking back, i'd be very tilted as i now have nothing to do besides overextend for the next wave. do you still take this risk as a jungler in solo queue? i understand the gold income from potentially taking the full wave and turret is good for me as the jungler but is it worth to risk my laner going afk or running it down mid in this specific scenario?

[@Eagzv9]

if wave is dead then he gets tower and a stupid amount of gold from that and next wave, why would teemo be mad when his jungler is getting fed and ending the game

[@ahnadiri]

you sure it's 20min? i read somewhere that it was 14min, and rn chatGPT is telling me it's 7min but i dont trust it

[@FrostFangTCG]

Unless you have my teammates where you killed 3 enemy champions without taking a death and instead of going to baron they chase a fizz through the jungle

[@Eagzv9]

then waves, towers

[@xxsamperrinxx3993]

5:04 40 *seconds*

[@SirButterlegs]

My biggest weakness is CS and it is rarely a 6. I mainly play mid lane Akali, Syndra, Aurora, LeBlanc, and Naafiri.

[@captainteemo2380]

well cs is not your weakness, bad recall timing is. If you master your recall timing and waveclear, the cs score will automaticly increase. I got mostly a 7-9 cs and i dont even win lane most of the games but i only go in trades after pushing waves which leads to me never being behind.

[@Eagzv9]

pick one of those champs

[@sanji1259]

me doing herold, team watching, talon and alistar coming to kill me 2on1 on herold. enemy does drake. gg :D

[@pretzels1208]

7:00 agurin is actually red team here. Blue team is enemy.

[@Eagzv9]

yes, blue team is friendly team

[@BlextheFat]

Ye understandable but try communicating to your iron/bronze/silver/gold/plat/emerald/diamond team that you can do Herald/Drake/take mid when enemy are down a member. Until Master people dont understand these concepts.

[@Eagzv9]

then take waves/towers

[@Andreas-fn8mo]

Okay so I ran into a little issue yesterday where I got easy picks and kills on the enemy midlaner and sometimes adc early. I was fed. Tho I kept on giving objectives because each time we wanted to go for it we got outnumberd. So my question is, if I am strong but out numbered on objectives, what do I do?

[@Eagzv9]

look for something else - will make a video on this bro

[@ancientgear7192]

So in essence capitalize each opportunity you get to steal resources from the enemies

[@Eagzv9]

exactly

[@Theseaisus]

As a supp, when I want to get into jungling, I tend to get super lost. Chaos breaks out, I skip camps and die at objectives - while I think about all the things I „learned“ in videos. How do I get that repaired? How do I get back on track without being my own hindrance? That would be nice to cover

[@Eagzv9]

you dont have to always contest a dragon bro, if you cant then go do something else

[@Theseaisus]

@ I know brother, that pain was already a lesson, I’m more about the pathing getting broken, if that’s even a thing to people in higher elo ^^

[@JongSukHuy]

I play farming jg like diana or hec should i lv3 gank top after finish 3 camps bot side if its killable

[@Eagzv9]

why not?

[@suMONerOfD]

I love such contents

[@Eagzv9]

good to hear bro ty

[@cluckytheeducky]

Youre trying to gain blue team gold while taking red team gold is a beautiful way of putting damn. Btw why do you say eagz as if it aint you lmao

[@Eagzv9]

gotta make sure the people know bro haha thanks for the comment

[@Yamuleth08]

I'm a hardstuck plat midlaner but the First call was obvious herald

[@RelaunchAfter30]

How do you get your team to listen to you? In bronze, people will not do objectives no matter what

[@Eagzv9]

ping, and if they dont respond do the next best thing (think of waves, towers)

[@skoodlemoose]

right off the rip i can tell you this is hilarious and stupid. After a mid pick 3 of my 5 team mates would be recalling or wandering off somewhere random, or tdming mid after i leave and all dying. And the rift would take me so long to solo that the enemy corki would respawn and head to contest me, or the remaining 4 enemy players would rotate over uncontested. Never in a million years do i make any play that revolves around my team mates doing something smart Edit: next couple of concepts are good but that first rift herald play would never work in low elo

[@Eagzv9]

then you still get the dragon…as long as you get something the enemy team cares about that’s all that matters

[@berkegursoy9724]

great video but i think you are wrong about agurin part. At 21 mins with no tank on team forcing a baron because you have a pick on enemy support could be disaster. It is a 4v5 but baron is hitting you and even if you try to turn there is giga fed ksante that can easily frontline and you wont be able to burst him. Maybe if they had someone to tank the nash at 21 mins yeah.

[@Eagzv9]

the yas and diana easily have enough HP - you're right about it being risky if they don't have HP, but they do...even think Agurin realised this when he looked at Yasuo when his recall is on like 4.5 seconds and noticed the HP

[@Clbull118]

What do you do when you're Iron 2 and your teammates are so dog that they're 0/3 by 10 minutes, flaming you because you aren't babysitting their hardstuck asses and even if they land a kill, they ignore any and all pings from you?

[@miguelcoelho7365]

Calm them down, use chat to talk to them. I usually ping all my rotations for example, so that everyone knows where I am and where Im going to be. I'm Iron 2 btw currently xdd. Don't ping them too much, instead, ping once, maybe twice, and type in chat. Hope it helps

[@miguelcoelho7365]

Also, shift the blame away from them, don't tell them they suck of course

[@danieltodorov3863]

Bro said use chat to talk to them lmao

[@robinrougijainen1771]

legit just deafen and play the correct plays that are happening, not the correct plays in theory. Like if youre going for a gank and see ur laners backing off, instead going for the gank just dont go for it. Identify your teams strong players and throwers and play around that. sometimes they can change thruought the game. dont get toxic and mentalboom in any situation, comebacks are real you just gotta play patient and wait for their throws.

[@Eagzv9]

why you mentioning teammates bro, does them flaming stop you from gapping enemy jg?

[@elgatochurro]

been saying this for years and people jsut dont wanna lol

[@ahnadiri]

banger

[@Eagzv9]

tyty

[@KinginTurqoise]

Isn't this the clown who said don't take drakes even if you have no camps up?

[@Eagzv9]

if no camps/kills and you cant grubs then drake is good, a lot of the times it isnt though

[@itsemmaoce]

listening comprehension of a spoon ahh mf

[@lorenzosacerdote7612]

6:40 is reaching, you probably wouldn't have got that tower and would've stole your toplaners wave. Stealing enemy camps also denies the enemy team gold and xp

[@Eagzv9]

which is why i say blue is a great start - who is defending top tower? two are dead, two are bot, and vel koz is low…

[@riotkatarina951]

⁠@@Eagzv9hec going top there does nothing, him denying bot camps at least achieves something. Realistically taking that tower would only make sidelining even harder for his own team there since the enemy team could just freeze at T2.

[@Eagzv9]

going top to get tower which is a stupid amount of gold, next wave into a reset is bad because they can freeze at T2…genius

[@philipvdv332]

some of ur takes are great but some of them really suck

[@Eagzv9]

they all suck this is for shaco only?

[@philipvdv332]

@ ooh that makes sense then

[@Eagzv9]

i was joking, this is jungling bro, what sucked?

[@Eagzv9]

hurry up philip

[@TheJollyAlex]

This video feels like bad information. I tried this because usually I would full clear on lillia and use dead time to make plays. I tried this method you suggest and it lead to me being massively behind and delaying my item spikes. It should come with the caveat that objectively sometimes it might not be right to make a play based on a midlaner being dead etc because it may make more sense to go back into a full clear so you can be more effective later on.

[@Eagzv9]

‘dead time’, oh no…

[@1gianlucore]

very useful video but agurin has been the best non pro jungler in the world for god knows how many years so i trust him to see the bigger picture and have a good reason to pick the safer play over the more oppressive one.

[@Eagzv9]

did you not hear him say...we coulda nash? (glad the video was useful tho)

[@itsemmaoce]

he legit says "we should have baron" in the clip

[@axelblaise2933]

"oppressive" uh

[@oranaro9000]

bro come on activate windows, it costs 10 bucks

[@Eagzv9]

typical heca player