Xenoblade 3 DLC Expansion Teaser ANALYSIS! (Secrets & Theories)

[@Killertamagotchi]

a funny plot twist would be if Xenoblade 1,2&3 were just simulations and it was actually part of Xenoblade X 🤣

[@kingofcheshire]

X being some sort of simulation is more likely if they ever decide to make it canon to mainline games

[@nathancain4174]

Just finished X. They ended it like they were gonna make a second one.

[@someoneontheinternet5223]

I know this might sound far-fetched, but I‘ve seen a handful of people speculate about this sprequel that founders Ortiz and Rhodes might even be reincarnations of Klaus and Galea. Honestly, it would be pretty cool to have them make a final appearance at all, for him having been the one to start this whole saga and known to have been a scientist and her, who was also known as the benevolent natured goddess Meyneth. Or Ortiz could simply be Juju after his redemption arc of learning how to fix a buggy by himself, idk Only time will tell what exactly awaits us in this new story, but either way, I‘m hella excited!

[@dachking6657]

The Jujonis will be canon

[@XenoBits]

I really like this idea! I think that would be so cool!

[@princessoscar3089]

18:55 this aged shockingly well! Besides getting the mom wrong... xD

[@Jetbladewarrior]

Now I can't unsee Camarovie being Pyra and Rex's son. It kinda makes sense red hair Flaming element if his eyes are either Yellow or Red it makes this much more sense. For Mythra and Pyra's swords it could mean Pyra and Mythra no longer fights by Rex's side due to taking care of their child and Rex being a Chad as he is decided to make Swords similar or they no longer need to be by Rex's sides so the swords transformed into Weapons that Rex can wield on his own. Remember Pyra and Mythra can do break the laws of Blade Rules that are normally limited like having a baby or giving half their life to revive Rex so it's not total crazy that they gave Rex the ability to use their swords at will and Summon them when needed. That's why they look different. That's my crazy speculation.

[@Xenado22]

Kinda cool if it were true

[@Jetbladewarrior]

@@Xenado22 Yeah definitely.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

The conduit disappeared so pyra and mythra would basically lose their reality altering powers

[@Jetbladewarrior]

@@potatofarmergyro1720 if that was true then they couldn't be revived from the Core Crystals.. They even sacrificed themselves yet after the Conduit was destroyed they revived sure their Core Crystal was completely undamaged but even they looked they knew they may be dead forever. Yet they came back with their memories from the looks of it. If they didn't remember they wouldn't married Rex and had kids with cause no memory of him meaning they would have no love interest. So yeah.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

@@Jetbladewarrior I mean the conduit is still gone so they won't be able to use their powers klaus literally says that to rex

[@angeldude101]

Regarding the seventh founder, I kind of want them to be M, partly to have her restoring the city mirror N destroying it, and partly for the absolute mindscrew from having one of the seven founders of the very anti-Moebius City to be a Moebius themself. I could also mention that Xenoblade 2 also had a character who was a main party member in both the base game and Torna, that being Mythra, so having Mio as a party member again wouldn't be unheard of.

[@Dr.Farewell]

I don’t think being released from the flameclock system means they were cut from the reincarnation process in aionios. I think it’s just referring to those who are linked to a colony’s clock and freed like we see in the base game. Ethel for example was freed from her colony’s flameclock and was still reincarnated

[@skynet0912]

My own hope is that we play a prequel segment for the most part, getting a sense of the plans in motion to have Noah and the gang be made into Ouroboros, see how the flame clocks came to be, as well as explain some of the smaller details, like why Nia can use her own weapon, as well as spectral versions of both Aegis swords. And let's not forget about Melia having Shulks Monado, and Poppi being in the keep. To me, all these small details we get no explanation for, hints at a DLC that is set mostly as a prequel with the founders, but might also have a final chapter segment about giving us closure on the whole "finding a way to walk hand in hand again" that Nia and Melia talk about, like explaining the flute music young Noah hears in the after credit scene...

[@Linksond]

I think that the Bionis Leg segment is definitely in Aionios cause when the shot zooms in we can see an angnian settlement as well as some agnian levnises

[@dachking6657]

Weird idea that’s probably not true, but what if Alvis has something to do if not actually is the “light” which the two worlds used to communicate with each other? “I used the light to communicate with the other side! Which I somehow became aware of?” That makes very little sense, but could be explained if they were simply being vague about the fact that the light is Alvis, who is the only true common denominator between the two universes right now. I mean, dude could definitely show visions to the two queens (perhaps even visions of the future, ie the worlds ending). Maybe true, maybe not.

[@dachking6657]

I do want to point out that this may be a prequel in the endless now, and that the areas present here may be destroyed by the black fog and the annihilation effect by the time of base game

[@FireFury190]

I honestly think Vandham and Doyle are likely Noah/N and Mio/M's kids. I don't think it's too farfetched to say that the granddad Vandham is referring to could be Noah's father from the old world. If we're led to believe that Shulk and Rex haven't aged because people who are from the original worlds that aren't part of the Flame Clock system stopped aging in Aionios, then I don't think it's hard to believe that Noah's parents could still be alive. And that they likely raised Noah and Mio's kids after both of them passed and eventually became N and M. I also think this would make idea of who the founders are flow better. Them all being the kids of the previous protagonists. Both by blood and not. Having 2 of them be grandkids does mess it up a bit. But then again so does the adopted kids with Reid and Cassini. I also think it's possible that Shulk and Fiora had another son who isn't Crys and they are the ones that became Ortiz. After all, Rex has more than one kid. Crys and Cammuravi could likely be a part of the story if the goal of Rex and Shulk is to free their kids. But its ends with Crys purposefully wanting to stay in the Flame Clock system and Cammuravi dies before he can be freed.

[@JohnSmith-lh3ht]

Also, I do think we should expect either some mention or minor appearance of various supporting characters. Particularly Fiora herself and Pyra/Mythra. It'd be kind of fucked up to have all that Shulk and Rex and none of their respective heroines/main love interests/wives.

[@a-zfan3229]

We saw with Ethel that you can be freed from the flame clock but still be reborn

[@XenoBits]

Yes, but Ortiz and Rhodes were disconnected entirely from the system. They lived to be 80 years old, well past Homecoming. Mio was in the same situation as Ethel, and yet Mio still fell victim to Homecoming. There is clearly something more to Ortiz and Rhode's situations.

[@shutthepupup]

I love that not only do you put forth the idea that Ortiz is shulk's son, but that you specify it is only "maybe with Fiora." Granting that Ortiz is shulk's child, which I think is very clearly the most likely option at this point, it's very possible he is Shulk and Melia's kid. Ortiz's crest looks an awful lot like a set of High Entia wings. In addition, in the xenoblade 3 art book, we can see that Ortiz was originally a high entia. Given that this same page features what looks like a 3D render of Noah's model, it must have been pretty far into development. We know that the founders are going to be crucial characters for the dlc, so it's not unreasonable to say they should have known at least who the founders were going to be at that point especially considering that the other founders seen in the image, while somewhat different looking from their final game designs, are pretty clearly the same characters that appear in the final game. Combine this with Ortiz's in game crest being a pair of high entia wings, looking at it it's pretty difficult to say it's anything else, and it's possible Nia wasn't the only one of the pair that got her guy in the end.

[@bozodluffy1818]

I’ve watched a few people analyze this trailer, and your video is head and shoulders above the other ones I’ve seen imo. Amazing video great break down! Edit: BRO CAMMURAVI BEING PYRAS SON WOULD BE EPIC

[@XenoBits]

Thank you so much! Also, I've been saying Cammuravi is Pyra's kid since seeing that picture and I really hope I'm not wrong.

[@Paradox1012]

That last theory is also mine and i feel it is plausible. The citys descendants demonstrate to us that origin can and does "predict" (in a messed up way) "Future Lives" as Melia states in origin. The events of this game COULD be both the Past AND the Future BUT as a REPEAT outside of aionios. Agnus and Keves DO exist now, in the future, after noah and mio met up when the worlds reformed and had Vandham or vandhams dad?. Its simply slightly different because aionios and origin were/are a SIMULATED FUTURE. Fuckin Futures past story would truly be an ouroboros. and the modern city people we see in 3 will be character's within xenoblade 4 or something.

[@WhiteX124]

Damn my guys got pretty close props!!

[@JohnSmith-lh3ht]

I can't imagine Shulk and Fiora not having had children in the same length of time that Rex did with three women. I prefer to think Ortiz is one of their children, put into the Flame Clock system. As I don't think they would have had just one, and it would make sense if they had three.

[@DARKMalice9000]

What if the Seventh Founder is Alvis? Hear me out what if the Fourth Wave is a Test that Alvis is administering and to see if his vision can come to pass. Like he joined Moebius Zed for a reason to get rid of what they are as a concept and as a being. That is my though on the Seventh Founder

[@netherfire50]

I do think its possible that a presequel can happen. Imagine Melia or Nia explaining the past actions of the founders as the player plays as the founders. But also you play after the endless now is destroyed trying to reunite the world's. Who exactly is a question for another time considering a team for that side would be different.

[@diamonddotzip5678]

Maybe listening to the Japanese trailer would clear things up, but I honestly think that the "he's a heartless machine" was said by someone else offscreen. The voice sounds somewhat different, and while it's been a while since I've played the original xenoblade, i think it sounds somewhat reminiscent of perhaps Dunban? I'm probably wrong but it does sound like it isn't the same person talking, at least to me

[@lukiia9854]

Honestly I think Ortez is just Shulk too. Thinking about it, Shulk's main character arc in xc1 follows him breaking the chains of his world and defiantly following his own path. It would then follow that he, as a Kevesi soldier, somehow lives until 80, uses a sword of his own making instead of one the world gave him (perhaps his junk sword or some form of monado) - of course, he made his own True Monado at the end of xc1. His skill in mechanical engineering and unrelenting will further prove this too. It's not 100%, but I'd say it's certainly more than possible

[@tyoshiro6447]

First of all, you did really great making this analysis, but there are a couple things that i want to ask. First is, N & M in the main story had a son, when he's grow up and marrying someone well either he get a son or daughter or both. And they're gonna be N&M grandchild's. When you said M's granddaughter and N's grandson, it's like in some point in their reincarnation cycles, N & M didn't meet and married with someone else and had their another own family lines? then second, its about homecoming. When someone free from the flame clock, first i thought they can't be reborn again, but still Ethel is reborn again. So I thought the castle flame clock is the true flame clock, but when both castles are liberated, there are still so many colonies under the shackle of flame clock, that's why in the beginning of the last battle Melia and Nia releases those colonies from the FC. Then is it origin's the true FC, so although you free from the FC you still bound with the World "system". Back to the homecoming, actually it is the real "reward" because they're not gonna be reborn again and out for sure from this non ending war game and the souls are actually going back to the origin. So Shulk and Rex are they already inside the origin because they're already kicked out (killed/getting old) from this war game from the start before the system applied? the war in the main story's already going for 1000 years, so where're both of them if they're bound to the system? or are they not bound to the system? and how about with the other founders which is already bound with the FC system, like the founder of Ortiz, he's not been reborn again after dead? or did he, in some point reach the homecoming? sorry about my bad English, but I hope you understand about what I'm asking for. Thanks!!

[@Nerwrax15]

Man, if your founder choices are correct, Rex has the most busted family tree ever lol.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

Like 2 protagonists in his tree and if the founder of house vandham is related to him too then it makes it 3 protagonists in his family tree lmao

[@JesusDaLawd]

22:30 nah the hand is still there its takes place in Aionios and maybe itll give us an after the game ending too because they still have that wierd 3nding with kid noah

[@mistressminerva3382]

13:50 "He could adopt a potential child of Melia, but i think thats just the Melia sympathy talking" - Yeah ... its impossible , because you are talking about a Founder , and there is no High Entia Decendant within the Founders of the second City or else there would be more Winged People running around in the City of the Main game. But i could imagine that Shulk following Dickson in some way and adopting any of the kids from the rest of the XC1 main cast , or even adopting a total stranger. That said , what i absolutely dont want to see , is that he adopts a re-cycled Fiora. 17:40 "Rex is not related to this girl" - you make a good point , but Rex has at least 3 kids by that point , so lets ignore Mio for this and we still dont know where the other 2 kids and their Mothers are. 18:50 "I think this founder is Mythra and Rex's daughter" - In the Photo i cant make it out which of the kids is a boy or girl ... Cammuravi as Pyras kid ... seriously ? I dont see it. 20:40 "7th Founder" - There is the posibility that its M , given the fact that M had contact with Nia and later Ghondor within the Main plot. But it could also be Alvis , and that might be the reason why he had to be removed from the records. Riku is a weird option here , if he is actually that much older than the re-cycled kids it makes no sense for him to be oblivios about the fact how reproduction works ... it would also be very strange from the Keves military position to have a Nopon in their ranks who can outlive all of them. There are lot of unanswered questions about Riku so i dont want to play this Wildcard just cuz i dont know what else to do with it. My Lineup for the Founders are : 1. Vandham -> Fei / Jo-Jo Vandham -> Grandson of N/Ms Child and Great Great Grandson of Rex / Nia Gives the whole line about "Like killing Granddad was not enough for you" more weight by implying that N killed his own son when destroying the first city. 2. Doyle -> Granddaughter of N/Ms Child and Great Great Granddaughter of Rex / Nia 3. Ortiz -> Shulk / Fiora Son Re-Cycled , but defo not Chris for the same reasons you mentioned 4. Rodes -> Tough ... i have no idea , could be a re-cycled and related daughter to Morag or Zeke but i have no clue 5. Reid -> Shulks adopted one of the main XC1 cast daughters or a total stranger , unnamed 6. Cassini -> Rex mentored one of the main XC2 cast daughters but not his own , so potentially Zeke + Pandoria or Morags daughter , unnamed 7. Unnamed 7th Founder -> M or Alvis , someone who had to be removed from history records for non trivial reasons So i see 5 + 6 the unmentioned characters to be just like N/Ms son , as long as the Xenoblade games dont actually references them they will be completely unimportant for the story to be told . So my guess is that for Reid and Cassini we will just play as Shulk and Rex again , and the kids will just be around in some way , like Mikhail was in Torna. The Plot could also include building City 2 , and before the DLC plot ends Shulk loses his arm and Rex loses his eye.

[@JustaGr8GuyHere]

I think with the loss of the conduit came the loss of Pyra and Mythra’s sword.

[@sonoftime4879]

I have my own theory Personally I believe the game will go in this order You started as the new kid (Vandam) Shortly after the destruction of the old city maybe there's even a sequence where you can't win a fight against N Then you go on the run to look for your sister. You'll find her but then get ambushed. You are then saved by Shulk and Rex They tell you the truth about the old world about how they create a machine called origin to stop their world from destroying each other but Alvis intervened And it backfired. After a bit of exploring You'll eventually find a Large shard of origin After Shulk try some tinkering Strange green energy comes forth and a familiar looking presence is seen the new kid realised this is an oraborbous stone a story he heard back in the old city. There go looking for more and that when there see two armies at war that when the next to characters join After Rex try to break there Clocks to stop the fighting but failures to do so but after some Talking with the last 2 party members. A young mechanic is able to destroy the clock people are shock It turns out he also found a piece of origin and he used it to make lucky seven Him and a Medic from the other side join the team. Then the really qust beings fine a way to use this new power and find Alivs What happens next I don't know I'm really curious though is who the 7th party member is I'm hoping it's somebody from one of the past games Let me know what you all think 🤔

[@Gabe_29]

I think the woman we see in the painting during Colony 0 will be important in the expansion

[@oneish7454]

I have a feeling they might pull an N/Noah type situation with the Shulk look alike in House Ortiz.

[@Midna78]

Haha, I also thought that it might be both, prequel and sequel.

[@jaster26]

Vandham and Doyle can't be N and M's grandchildren because... well it's in the teaser. "Like killing grandad wasn't enough from you" N can't die since he's alive during XB3, so N can't be his grandad. On a separate note, I think a presequel is very likely if we look at the other 2 story expansions. XB1 had a major theme of the future, and it's extra story is a sequel. XB2 had a major theme of the past, and it's extra story is a prequel. XB3 has a major theme of the present, and since we know this defiantly isn't happening at the same time as the main game, a presequel is the next closest thing imo.

[@XenoBits]

People have 2 sets of grandparents

[@lemmyxpro]

Cammuravi is Pyra's son? Yeah... I'm not so sure about that...

[@LHJosh]

House Ortiz gotta be Ju Ju.

[@TheDanksNewGroove]

8% represent

[@silentlore2458]

How the hell did I miss that announcement. Bro, if this comes alongside botw2 then I'm gonna set botw 2 aside 💀

[@famillesabot5719]

Botw2 or tok is for May. The fourth dlc is for way after.

[@Paradox1012]

@@famillesabot5719 i wouldn't be surprised if it came out in june or july tbh if they showed it this early in the year. remember the release date for 3 was actually moved UP by 2 months lol. MY bet is july because the gap between the last wave and this one was 4 months.

[@nishquikpops]

I think Cassini and Reid are Ghondor and Shania ancestors

[@danieltinsleykhvsff9622]

So does the monado replica EX have a different design or not?

[@Paradox1012]

it seems to have been upgraded again.