"Ximming should be allowed" | OW2 Hot Takes #22

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[@Bean._.]

Hot take: ximming ruins the console experience just as much as hacking ruins the PC experience. You have to be unbelievably skilless to support ximming

[@raymartinez7039]

The GM experience is terrible in console. There’s ximmers at least every other game

[@TheMysteriouswatcher]

I don't think you know what a hot take is

[@guywithopinion]

That's not a hot take

[@somedude6991]

"Hot take" lol

[@jaetherogue562]

Not a hot take

[@soccerburn552]

Hot take: Zen, Sigma, and Echo float so they shouldn't trigger Junkrat traps.

[@Izanagi520]

Oh god no, never, rats awful enough as is, the last thing us rat players need is traps getting negated by floating designed heroes.

[@pro60noscope52]

To float some force must be pushing down, any downward push would still trigger a trap. As they all float just a foot or less off the ground, the traps still catching them.

[@TwiggyBadger]

"I'm not saying your complaints aren't valid, they're just very loud" LMFAO

[@yougek663]

Hot take: we should get some compensation if someone in your team leaves mid game in a comp match. Now its just a waste of my time

[@0li-0li28]

Not even a compensation I want a full on no effect on my rank because I lost from someone leaving itz just genuinely such a stupid feature in comp, and the fact that you’ll get penalized if you leave after them

[@tgs5725]

​@0li-0li28 the reason they don't do that is because games that implement that system have people abuse it by 5 stacking then right before they lose they have 1 person that will Alt-F4 to prevent any losses. And when they get temp banned hop on a new account. And you cannot perma ban people for leaving because people's internet shuts off sometimes.

[@guysensei3114]

I had a game today where the enemy tank left in the first round and after the match I got an Sr boost for "uphill battle" lol

[@ianchambers37]

I would be happy with not taking a loss. Frustrating getting a loss i cant do anything about and it being 20 to 40% at a time. Especially since leavers are so prevalent now in comp. I average one every 3 to 4 games. Sometimes two games in a row.

[@UnrebornMortuus]

this would make people flame more to make a rage quit please lets not make ow2 realistic thats like real life with social consequences and blame games

[@GingerHoax]

hottake; remove Mauga's charge protection, and give it to Rein.

[@Cl-lR0ME]

just give to both, but id rather rein have it 🤣

[@austinbailey4154]

As a hog main I am so annoyed I can’t hook mauga to protect my supports. 😢

[@PrimeKeroHS]

Let Mauga keep it but not have him resist every single form of cc ever and let Rein charge with his shield up 😜

[@aSuperPi.]

I don’t think either should have it honestly

[@ongabonga4378]

Maybe just make him not fall over on the ground when orisa uses gold now 😭

[@nietbarkie1380]

Hot take: Blizzard indirectly encourages GM players to smurf on console. Once you are in GM you play atleast against 1 ximmer (MNK) most of the time. Therefore most of the games feel miserable and you feel powerless. The only reason you lost is because you played on controller instead of cheating with a xim. Blizzard does not fix this issue . So as GM player you either have a miserable time or smurf in plat lobbies and roll them, instead of getting rolled.

[@michaeltaylor7160]

People who xim just want an excuse to say they don't suck on console and want to dominate the entire field. It is beyond unfair on console. The reason I stopped playing on console and swapped to PC was bc xim players literally killed the game competitively, you can't compete. And for whatever reason, even though it's cheating, they are NEVER punished.

[@sldarwin5615]

I’ve literally thrown games because someone on my team was dimming, and I’ve still somehow won most of those games. Xims are pathetic losers who want to seem good, but get railed on pc servers lmao

[@cat8506]

not to mention almost all of them are boosting a mercy pocket and play on alt accounts all the time

[@jasonh908]

I bought a cheap version of xim, and when playing soldier it would lock on like aim bot. I didn't play on console very long, but it totally is hacking without hacking

[@UKRobs]

It's not punished because it's undetectable, the whole point of Ximming is not to play mouse and keyboard on games that don't support it's to convert keyboard and mouse input to controller input for the game to read as input and that's a very difficult thing to make a system to detect.

[@everilliem3292]

​@@UKRobsR6S managed it.

[@JesseHallett]

Negative endorsements - I'm imagining an "F You Received!" notification popping up several times after a match

[@sgt_butter7127]

lmfao i’ve never seen a pharah complain about having a mercy pocket before this

[@Atsuru]

tbf, a mercy pocket post pharah rework is less effective than it was before. if it came down to pocketing a pharah or pocketing an ashe (for example) I would pocket the ashe.

[@danielortega5088]

Hot take: Sombra's Hack should NOT force swap Wrecking Ball's ball form. Not all CC cancel ball form, but out of all that do, Hack is the most forgiving and rewarding. Rein's shatter (tank ult), Hog's hook (tank skill shot), Sigma's rock (tank skill shot), Ana's sleep dart (support skill shot), Sombra's hack (dps auto lock, short cd, that can be used while invisible). You tell me which of these feels odd.

[@Zambiez]

I forget, does hack force Ram out of Nemesis form? Edit: I have been informed he is not forced out of it so I agree, one of them should be changed for consistency sake, preferably ball (I don't want my boy Rammatra to get destroyed by Sombra)

[@TheMysteriouswatcher]

​@@Zambiez it does not kick him out of Nemesis, just prevents him from using his block

[@danielortega5088]

@@Zambiez it doesn't. Hack doesn't cancel any other form change in the game but ball form. Not ram, bastion, or orisa's gold, neither ults like dragon blade, primal, or valk.

[@3amAfterlife]

I'm pretty sure Sombra doesn't stay invisible while hacking anymore, just as a heads up

[@Zambiez]

@@3amAfterlife correct kinda, I believe she is a very easy to notice transparent purple

[@Jaydash-]

Not having a strict solo queue option, completely ruins solo queue

[@bencrystall6822]

Hot take: All tanks should receive a 50% passive to all negative affects. Like they have done to the sleep duration. Think anti-nade, burn, new dps passive, stun duration ect. I feel this would be great for an experimental if they still did them. This percentage could even be modified. I just want to see if this could make tank feel more like a tank and a role to create space rather than playing a corner.

[@thomashigginsmusic]

Pull that down to like 20% and that’s fair

[@binkusbonkus9034]

Hot take: Overwatch devs pandering to the competitive players has stripped many of the characters identities from them for the sake of competitive viability or "feeling more fun to play against." I personally know casual players who were pushed away from the game because their favorite hero in the DPS roster started to feel like their whole playstyle was "just shoot the gun." Torb, Reaper, Symmetra, and Mei are the examples that come to mind. Torb and Mei more than the others. Torbjorn throwing out armor packs, building up his turret, and ulting for a level 3 turret all gave him a sense of identity that made him fun to play. Now he has a turret that builds itself, and a button that makes him shoot faster. Mei's ability to freeze people, along with the rest of her kit, made frustrating to play against. But it also gave her an identity that made Mei players buy into the character more. Now she is just a right click spamming bot with a wall made out of paper. Edit: Removed bastion from the list because he actually gained an identity in the rework.

[@jaredparks4713]

Full disclaimer, I only played the original OW for roughly 6 months back in mid-late 2016, but to me, the appeal of Torbjorn at the time was that he was basically OW's take on Engie TF2. Hearing now that he doesn't give people armor or interact with his turret basically at all is just depressing to hear, especially since from my understanding, Brig does something similar, so why can't Torb keep his Armor at least?

[@Everetses]

⁠those torb and sym changed were made so early idk if u can say they pushed casual people out. The game was like 1 year old. bastion is arguably more dynamic now with his mobile turret form and nades giving him unique movement options . Mei lost a freeze which was just an insane ability idk why you would want to play against that in comp or casual. And reaper has been the exact same hero for all of ow. I think you know a couple ppl that feel this way and they just don’t like the feel of the game anymore and that’s ok but plenty of casual players enjoy it, and your examples are pretty poor

[@Everetses]

Actually scratch that, it sounds like you literally don’t play the game at all anymore and don’t know what you’re talking about. Just play the game with some friends some time and form an opinion for yourself. It’s pretty different but not worse at all

[@binkusbonkus9034]

@@Everetses Actually I play the game every day! I do understand what you are saying about bastion. It did make him more dynamic and he is more fun now than he was in Overwatch 1. Reaper used to have to pick up little soul drops from people he killed, which felt more flavorful to me. Reaper is better competitively now because of the lack of this, but it doesnt feel as arcady and casual as it did back then. Torb Was completely reworked and it was 1 example of them changing a hero for the sake of competitive viability instead of identity. Same can be said for sym. Mei's loss of freeze was replaced with nothing at all, so she lost part of her identity and gained nothing in return. Overall, I agree with what you are saying partially. Understand that your comment on Mei losing freeze proves my point about characters losing identity for the say of them feeling "more fun to play against." I still enjoy the game, but the dps roster specifically has almost entirely delegated to "shoot gun" characters. Many of them have lost the utility and character that made them something more.

[@Everetses]

@@binkusbonkus9034 sorry I thought the first reply was you expanding on ur thought and I was like??

[@blue_tetris]

I've been a Wrecking Ball player from the very beginning, and I appreciate that hot take about Ball as a DPS. But rather than remove him as a tank, I want them to figure him out as a tank, in the new metas. Then maybe they can propagate his movement style to a DPS or support or someone else, to let that particular skill-set function in other roles. It'd be fun to swing around like Spider-Man, as a different sort of hero. With how they've moved flight around the roster, I don't think it's impossible to do the same for Ball/Doom skills. People find tank to be a hard role to ease into, because it often requires movement/knowledge that cannot be accessed as a DPS or support. And there's no sense in making everyone so specialized--that's how you get rock-paper-scissors swapping.

[@Terminacer]

Possible Hot Take: I feel that the Damage fall off, mainly for Ashe and Cassidy, are a tad bit too harsh. In my opinion, it makes it a bit less fun to play and my gripes mainly reside with Ashe. It could just be me, but I would like to see a decrease in her damage fall off because she doesn’t feel fun to play at a distance. Thanks

[@FawXnSawX]

They should just allow full kbm functionality with no aim assist on console and put them in PC lobbies for real.

[@GoldBean2752]

yeah, the problem is that ximming inputs as a controller I believe, so it'd be very hard to detect ximming.

[@GoldBean2752]

and console producers would not want people to use kbm because they want to sell the $50 controllers to everyone.

[@sldarwin5615]

@@GoldBean2752I don’t know shit about all that, but to me I thought it would be easy to find kbm inputs on console servers. Just find the players with only 8 movement inputs, instead of 360 since controllers have a full circle of movement, while pc only has the 4 buttons. I can spot a xim in a lobby in 2 different ways. If they can’t slow walk, and if they can’t spin forever. I thought it should be easy to find xims, but as I said, I don’t know shit about the technical side of that

[@P3bbIes]

@@sldarwin5615 xim uses an adaptor to override console software and allow for a kbm input, its insanely hard to detect since you can't just ban the use of adaptors(my headset uses an adaptor) and you can't just ban someone because their movement "seems" like a kbm because they aren't slow walking, you need concrete evidence of a kbm input. Itb be like sending someone to jail because they kinda looked like the guy at the scene.

[@Lord_Nikon33]

​@sldarwin5615 what do you mean about not being able to spin forever? KBM allows full 360° movement. The mouse is your reticle. Yes wasd is how your character moves forward back left and right but the mouse turns your character just like a thumb stick the difference is that you get your full arm to do so not just a thumb.

[@TheMysteriouswatcher]

Hot take: maps should have more interactive props and, more importantly, environmental hazards other than just falling off the map. Think in the style of a PVE game but more on the smaller scale (one small prop on the map can boop an unfortunate player getting close, one can inflict small amounts of damage, one can change the geometry of the map etc etc etc, only creativity is the limit). Right now the only such thing I can think of is the launch pad in Oasis and the walls on the objective in Meka Base that go up and down intermittently. I think more diverse and more interactive props and what a lot of players call "stage hazards" could serve to make the game more dynamic and unlock way more strategies and compositions that were previously not considered. English is not my first language and I feel like I butchered the presentation of my take but I digress

[@tbtlhart]

I disagree with your point on the dps passive indicator. As a tank, I do find some cases where I want to know if my healing is reduced. It can give me an idea of how far I need to disengage on doom for instance. This could eliminate some down time before re-engaging.

[@realfishscience7842]

But youre not really disagreeing, he was giving his take on what would help as a support. Im not thinking it should be removed and i think karq wasnt either i think hes just pointing out as a support that that indicator isnt very useful. Which as a support, i dont look down there but i got tank/dps friends who take more cover now. So yeah good point here made that for the non healing roles it helps and while i think he could have phrased it slightly better but this is clearly done in one take so you cant be too critical about that so yeah. I think hes right idk who to focus when i play bap and sometimes i throw two grenades then go back to the tank and that wasnt nearly enough healing and the dps dies 🤷‍♂️ if only i had a way to know so i could have thrown an immortality or hit my shift but nah

[@raptor8631]

Hot take: Sym turrets need to go. They are annoying to play against, and they don’t feel good to use/ they are somewhat useless in most scenarios. I also feel they don’t fit the character fantasy either, like she is a master architect and she makes these tiny laser turrets? I feel like if you replaced them with some cooler construction she’d be less annoying, cooler to play, more interesting in gameplay, and fit her hero fantasy better. It’s time for the car wash to close.

[@aramavecilla9641]

Hot take: sombra is the most unbalanced dps to play against. She has the ability to get in and out without hesitation, run away, silence your abilities. And you can only counter her by playing sombra or making your team focus her. And i say all pf that as a sombra main, shes the best flanker with little to no risk

[@prestonmitchell9135]

Also sombra doesn't counter sombra the best, you want brig, you want bastion, you want kiri, rein, etc.

[@roland8357]

The main issue I have with Sombra is the invisible part. No hero in pvp shooter should have a invisible ability that's not on a short timer/long CD.

[@femtrapta5874]

That's the thing, whether or not you agree she's unbalanced or strong, she's just has no risk

[@bencrystall6822]

@@prestonmitchell9135 I'm also a Sombra main, brig, bastion, kiri and rein are solid options, but ultimately a counter-pick Sombra will always shut me down. If I am getting too much value, often the enemy Sombra will hover over their supports with hack out and as soon as I appear will hack me and the team will turn around and kill me. My only real counter-play at this point is to switch or play with team and poke. While this may seem equal, with both me and the enemy sombra both playing poke in a standoff, she is essentially winning. As before I was getting much greater value in the backline than I am here, and now being forced to rely on my other dps to out perform the other dps. I would much rather face a brig, bastion, kiri or rein who I can wait/bait out cooldowns or wait til they are out of position then punish than be forced into stalemate.

[@Giimbapp]

@@femtrapta5874she does? Unless if your ing old lobbies a bad sombra will get chased down

[@aSuperPi.]

3:50 Hot Take: As an extension to that hot take, to make ball a dps you should make ball smaller, remove the knock up with pile driver so it’s just for the damage, nerf his health obviously, and remove adaptive shields and replace with a sonic the hedgehog spin dash.

[@natrium0_0]

What about the take on 3:14?

[@lime_chip]

They could give Rein over health generation when he uses his charge. Like he generated 25 over health per second, so the longer he’s charging the more health he’ll gain. Probably have to make the over health expire after a second or two after charge ends to not make it OP

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

I don't really like it being tied to his charge cuz that means unless he charges for a long time it won't do much I'd rather he get DR or movement speed

[@athena3177]

You want a hot take? Sombra should be reworked into a support hero. Make her spawn and buff health packs, she can hack allies to buff ability charge speeds, use a short stealth/translocater for her movement/escape and a toned down EMP as her ult. There is no world in which she will ever make a good dps hero, her basic kit design of being invisible and taking away players abilitys is just inherently bad and unfun and can never be balanced as dps.

[@salinaember9527]

true. she can go around the map hacking multiple packs and when an enemy heals from a pack, it marks them with virus.. if an ally heals from a pack, it doubles in output. increase respawn rate as usual, same abilities, etc. and virus ability on enemies allows teammates to drain steal health as they actively damage them. then give her a radius aoe heal like lucio, with her invisibility circle around the team.

[@robotempire]

I love sombra and played her almost exclusively for years. I agree this is a hot take, but I can see the sense of it. Sombra seems impossible to actually balance as dps, so do something radical like switching her to support. She does make a lot of sense there.

[@sums6653]

Hot take: q times with 6v6 were actually faster before the game was DEAD-DEAD in like 2020 then now, because tank feels even worse to play now, it just feels shorter because towards the end of the content drought is fresher in our minds than just a few months before that when we had a month long good patch. (when seagull returned to overwatch and gave it praise for a whole video)

[@_Deez]

Maybe a hot take? I don't really like the idea of moving heroes to different roles. Mei, for example, gets floated around a LOT, but i honestly like her where she's at. I think she would fit in, but she provides unique utility not seen on other DPS heroes, and i think it would be a shame to lose that and put her in a role where, while she would fit in well, isn't exactly lacking for a "big body, defensive utility brawl" character. I'm not saying it isn't something that shouldn't be done, but I would prefer it to be extremely rare.

[@Roccerford]

All anti-death support abilities should have downsides other than cd. Rez forces mercy to be a sitting duck and lifegrip forces disengage. Lamp and suzu are all benefits and no downside.

[@aspottedfriend4289]

Lamp got a massive 25 second CD

[@valhallaspectre]

@@aspottedfriend4289that’s not a down side. LW’s grip is almost as long and only works for one character.

[@epicbagels6102]

Fire take right here. Idk how you’d balance this tho

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

​@@aspottedfriend4289he just said other than cd did you not read it?

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Suzu should either only give damage immunity or only cleanse both is overkill

[@linesonbb1101]

Hot take: they buffed fire strike to 120 dmg…just make it 125 so it can two shot. Bap window + firestrike is a fun meme. I’ve died to it

[@jacobbaartz7710]

Hot take: The devs dont have a support design problem; they have a "We dont know how to design characters that dps enjoy facing, that players also enjoy playing" problem.

[@chaseadams598]

Honestly I don't think it's possible to have a character dps enjoy facing that's also fun

[@jacobbaartz7710]

@@chaseadams598 Right? "Oh wtf bro, why are they allowed to be threatening, they're called 'supports'" "Oh dude, they have all the bailout abilities wth" Like, pick a lane

[@jonathankigozi3373]

Respectfully, Lucio boop is a huge counter to charge, or at least for me as a Diamond Lucio, plus speed amp can with a boop keeps anyone out of swing range. If I hear rein yell “HAMMER-“ and I’m near my tank, I boop rein at and angle to mess up shatter

[@kingmoosh2004]

it wasnt really as much before the boop buff but now with the lockout time yeah i agree it really just shuts rein down

[@nixsnowsong6732]

hot take: Lifeweaver's thorn volley dps playstyle is significantly more impactful than healbotting or even 50/50 between healing and dps. Faster tree, higher pressure, high ground contest

[@PaulPickle]

I agree! His thorns are so good! Im more in the 60/40 range though. I mostly heal and do positioning work for my team. It's all about knowing what action is best to take next, what I do depends on what the team is doing. I love blasting them with my thorns when its my best opportunity, super satisfying. I've noticed he's surprisingly good against flanks too. I rarely get killed by gengi, sombra, or tracers. I also love how much chaos his petal platform can bring during a team fight. It won me a lot of battles. Aggressive weaver is the best! And manipulating the fight into your teams favor is also very important!

[@matiasvillarino4344]

Hot take: people only support 6vs6 cause thats how ow used to be, if the game would have always been a 5vs5, the idea of one more tank would never be popular. People dont want to try a 4vs4 or a 7vs7, only 6vs6 because they are mad that it didnt work because blizzard abandoned the game

[@moai4110]

People want 6v6 becausd back then tank wasnt such an abysmal experience

[@dailylemonade589]

semi hot-take: I think they need to reset the scoreboard for every round in competitive match I had soo many games where the team were doing extremely well on attack. but, on defend, the team were barely doing anything effective causing us to get rolled back. and then when third round came about, trying to tell teammates that we shouldve done more on the previous round (i.e, tank should int less, dps shouldve done more damage, support stay with team to keep the team to survive better) always been hard since they would argue their score on the scoreboard were already good (which mostly could come from the great attack round that we had). I understand that the scoreboard is not the best representative of what is truly happening in the match (moira with boosted stats but lack of impact, sombra tracer could produce lesser overall dmg numbers while being impactful, etc.) but I think if they reset the scoreboard each round, it would be healthier for the team and the players themselves as it allows us to keep track on our performances each round and would probably results in more consistent performance throughout the match.

[@TheIndulgers]

Hot Take: Widow feels worse than ever. The range and damage nerf in combination with the universal health bump, headshots often don't kill and merely tickle tanks. Yes, the hit box is a bit easier to hit, but the payoff is substantially less. Then they individually nerfed Widows hit-scan size following the projectile change. If I'm able to quickscope a diving tracer or sombra, I should be rewarded with a kill. Heroes tanking sniper headshots is not a good feeling in a shooter. Edit: They can keep the range, hp, and projectile size nerfs - but give her back her damage.

[@r.qgames6950]

Hot take: Mauga’s playstyle, as braindead as it can be sometimes, is EXACTLY what Overwatch 2 needs if they truly want to commit to 5v5.

[@Gimnbo]

I've very rarely seen any "diff" other than "tank diff," and it always comes from the supports with no map knowledge who are mad that their tank won't run down a narrow choke into an Orisa.

[@everilliem3292]

Ahhhh yesss, when you are running a brawl tank mirror, but they have Lucio/moira/mei and you have mercy/weaver with 2 random flankers....... 100% a tank diff game. Bad support picks are simply an Instant loss for some games, but they are delusional and just scream "omg thank diff, you're so bad"

[@ianchambers37]

From my experience its 6/10 times the dps screaming it in chat towards the tank and 4/10 to the supports even if most of the time its the dps playing poorly and refusing to take any responsibility for their own faults and decision making or blame for walking down the middle of the road or b*tching about heals when its clear to a blind person you simply cannot outheal stupidity, bad positioning etc. I've even heard support diff from my own dps when our two supports had both more damage and healing than their two supports, lol. Good old comp overwatch 2 experience.

[@alias1448]

An idea for Junkrat could be that his mines leave a aoe fire on the floor after exploding so he is more of a zoner rather than a one shot hero

[@Harucardiel]

HOT TAKE: make a grappler hero, i dont care if the character is F tier, mauga charge makes me feel like i should be doing a running powerbomb or something like zangiefs Siberian express fyi I'm a support main but i main grapplers in the FGC so im fully aware of the glue i sniff.....i just wanna sniff glue in other games too

[@toddtrisdale8866]

Hot Take: Wrecking Ball should become immune to knockback while he's in his piledriver animation

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

I think he should just have cc immunity while on fire

[@toddtrisdale8866]

@sebastianrodriguez8992 he's on fire way to easily and frequently for it to be balanced properly though, maybe if he had way less health but immunity to CC is a dangerous mechanic

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@@toddtrisdale8866 true but he doesn't have DR so maybe it balances out I don't think cc immunity by itself is op but each instance we have is also layered with a ton of DR so it would probably be way less effective for him but still really helpful

[@krazywiki]

Hot take: Pharah is a great character being held back by 2-3 ridiculously effective counter picks. 3 changes I want: 1) Targets hit with direct rockets while in the air should take more damage. 2) She should be able to cling to walls and ceilings using her fuel at 5-10% its normal burn rate. 3) Her melee damage should be increased up to 25% by her vertical speed for jump jet uppercuts or falling market gardeners.

[@rychus215]

Hot take: Mauga’s guns should function kinda like a faster version of ashes gun meaning that one can be a machine gun but the other should have much lower fire rate for a much better accuracy

[@gummostump4217]

I don't mind this idea, but fire rate doesn't really matter. More accuracy could be counterbalanced by any reduction in damage, be it fire rate, drop off, or simply less damage overall. The way you reach the lower damage would just be a matter of gunfeel.

[@derrekmacmillan8379]

Flamin Take: Mei should be changed into a tank. She already has a higher hp count, her wall is great for making space, she has self sustain with her ice block. Her ult is one of the best zoning ults in the game. She creates a fantastic amount of space with pretty much everything she does. She's got all the right workings of a tank. Just make her hit box a bit bigger give her some more hp, change up some number for balance and boom, new brawl tank.

[@Nisalv]

12:38 this is the realest thing I've heard in a long time

[@Frostingale]

i reckon that the comment in this part of the video is a mercy main that thinks that they should be unkillable with infinite utility. hero should be half gutted

[@BloodRain222]

no good doom complains except getquakedon. only trash dooms complain but mercy’s of every rank cry

[@czekskii]

Hot take: Season 9 is the best season of Overwatch since Orisa was added to the game. Tanks got addicted to the healing creep crack and will get over it with time and some tweaking, but Blizzard actually cooked this season.

[@epicbagels6102]

With Mei and sym doing what feels like 10,000 dmg a second and neither of them even having to put their crosshair on you to damage you I have to disagree man. I feel like this is the worst season I’ve ever experienced with overwatch.

[@kpkazan]

​@@epicbagels6102symm needs the help she is the worst dps in the game with no identity, she couldn't brawl bc she was squishy, her poke takes too long and she can't dive

[@czekskii]

@@epicbagels6102 skill issue tbh

[@tgs5725]

Hell no

[@nadavshabat1823]

detecting ximming is definitly possible I belive its already a thing in siege althugh im pretty sure they dont ban them or lock them to pc lobbys they just troll them a bit.(im not sure tho)

[@moai4110]

They are given a massive input delay

[@nolski4590]

I think to fix rein, they first need to give him double firestrike back, meaning increase the damage to 125 per. Then, they need to give him just like 40% damage reduction while charging and I think he would be viable again.

[@jakjak9797]

I wish they’d do something-anything-to deal with ximming on console.. it’s so bad in the region I play that I have honestly started to fall off and play other games now (after 8 years of ow being my primary game) .. the game is so jank with xim players because it’s not just that they are cheating, but they often come grouped with other xim cheater teammates and/or a mercy pocket, which just makes the game feel awful on the other end playing legit (often solo) with a controller. Overwatch has certainly disappointed me many times in terms of canceled features or balance but OW remained my main time/money-sink throughout, I haven’t wanted to quit it all as much as I have in recent times with how prevalent and oppressive ximming has become, and a part of me feels it will never be dealt with not because they can’t, but because it’s such a significant number of players now that it would damage them monetarily with these players not spending money on skins for multiple accounts, I feel the fact you don’t hear devs talk about it anymore speaks volumes and I’m not going to keep playing just hoping it will be fixed or addressed in some way, if I do I’m just supporting the cheating, so I’m backing away and investing in other games now.

[@whoizrez]

Mild take: There needs to be a TDM mode in ranked. Basically no objectives and the only thing that matters is kills.

[@tgs5725]

Na that would suck. 3/4ths of the roster wouldn't be playable

[@sohtak7208]

Hot take: People need to 'git gud' when it comes to Kiriko. She receives SO much hate for no reason. Bap has an immortality field, I don't see HALF as much complaining as that as I do suzu. Or even Ana, who I personally think is the most busted support. She counters SO many heros with a simple nade and she can stop any ultimate in the game with a simple sleep dart on a 14 second cooldown but people just seem to give Ana a pass for some reason? Like hello?

[@haputhegnome3891]

HOT TAKE: You should see ally health bars Every time, dps passive including status. YES IN UI. Yes you can stop the game and see who is alive. But in the middle of the fight is hard to know who is dead and when you should back off. Then maybe people whould stoping charging alone 1v5. In the lower ranks. I know they do that so the UI of the game is not that intrusive. But More Information is needed now that game is changing.

[@nickelsremy9286]

you playing on pc? if yes you don't have to pause the game

[@strikecaptain121]

Thinking on that guys idea for Ball as a DPS, honestly it would've been interesting to have had Doom and Ball swap roles, probably would've made Ball more viable in the earlier half of this games lifespan too.

[@ccricers]

Hot take: Cassidy's roll should remove the Burn effect.

[@ianchambers37]

Not a bad idea. Or even maybe lessen the damage a bit so it doesnt totally nullify their attack which is fair. Like if its say 20 damage for 3 seconds, do only 10 or something instead(i duno the damage stats so just an example)

[@beanz6228]

Honestly as a Tank player i feel overwatch is the most fun it's been since 2018. Every match feels fun and like i have a strong role on my team. It's a little easy to get blown up but that can be negated with better placement and targeted pressure. Tank (at least to me) is the most fun role in overwatch and it's incredibly rewarding to actually feel like you can make an impact but still have to actively try to do well

[@Daedivh]

So-cold-it-is-frozen-solid take: I understand that a big part of her character fantasy throughout the lifespan of OW as a franchise has been Mercy being able to resurrect people, but she would be much easier to fine-tune beyond just movement if she didn't have the ability to clean someone's slate of mistakes in that manner. There's just too much innate power in it both on paper and in practice (even with a cast time and HEAVILY reduced movespeed during) and makes her a nightmare for the devs, as well as making people's efforts feel nearly entirely wasted (assuming she lives past the rez). At least, for a cooldown-based ability. Perhaps swap Valk and Rez and tune the various knobs relating to both if she MUST keep it? (I played all of OW1 for context)

[@AnaTheBanana123]

Hot take: Sigma rock's vertical and horizontal hitboxes should be flipped. It hits ceilings way too much and the model can literally clip through a player on the side and not hit. Also Sigma rock damage should be buffed back to 90 because he can't rock to balls combo anymore. Second take: Ball's skill ceiling is as high if not slightly below tracer's because most of his tech is tied to map geometry and they release new maps, so Ball's skill ceiling will keep rising as people learn every tech spot on every new map. Third take: Reaper needs a secondary fire/ability that gives him a way to damage people outside of his primary fire. Every hero in the game has at least two different ways of dealing damage (excluding ultimates and melee), except tracer who doesn't really need one given how powerful she is; and reaper, who really has no way to deal good damage outside of mid-close range. (Sombra and maybe Pharah used to have this problem before their reworks). My idea is an impact grenade or ball of death or something that deals like 30-40 damage and gives them a debuff that makes attackers lifesteal x% of damage dealt on an 8 second cooldown. Fourth take: Pharah right click lowkey sucks. 8 second cooldown for an ability that her conc already does is kind of worthless

[@tgs5725]

Reaper doesn't need any more damage. He fuckin slaps already. I dominate with Reaper. And 2, your Ball take isn't a hot take. It's literally what everyone's known since Ball came out. He's top 3 highest skill ceiling character in the game.

[@dmaster2]

Hot take: if you are in competitive and a player leaves the remaining players should be able to switch roles to make up for the missing player. Obviously lock out roles if that player is too high for that lobby. Game might not be an auto loss if we can change around our roles to make up for whoever left.

[@antoineszturemski329]

Hot take:tanks should be balanced in terms of match up, ex: if you have dva a zarya enemy would deal less damage to you and receive more, same with like orisa vs jq, ram etc... it would ease up the severity of tank swapping since countering is a mental thing too, people will think its still winnable despite that

[@zpabz4910]

Hot take: Cassidys ult should be changed to like a golden gun like from Destiny 2 he gets 6 bullets each doing 100 body shot 200 headshot or smth like that. I guess id be really similar to sojourns though.

[@rubenwallace563]

6:00 you’re a support player. But as a tank main it makes SO much of a difference knowing if I’m getting shot by another tank or healer or a damage hero.

[@garionkyles8720]

Hot take: Hanzos arrows should get stuck in enemies like Junkerqueens knife, but they have to pull them out, which does damage.

[@Greenjoker4]

Anyone else hate how junk mine interacts with genji deflect. It doesnt explode when you press detonate and it makes no sense. Does genji have a detonator in his pocket or.

[@ashtyn9498]

Genji just uses his ninja abilities to steal the detonator

[@kpkazan]

Yes as a junkrat main but no because when he deflects it, it turns into his mine by the games rules and it would be stupid if he deflected abilities and they just fizzled out or didn't work anymore

[@doggess9928]

Hot Take: Elo hell isn't nearly as bad as people want it to be you get "bad" players for the rank you're in at all ranks, the biggest reason players are hard stuck is that they are simply in the rank of their current skill level and/or lack other essential skills for climbing the ladder such as better adapting to their teams playstyle on a level greater than simply playing a synergistic hero. Remember, no one persons common sense is identical to anothers and there is always more ways to improve you haven't heard of yet or have ignored above simple aim training

[@MeMyselfAndK]

Hot take: Mauga doesn't have bad hero design. He merely exists in a state of OW where Tank is unfun to play; we do not have a frame of reference for the big guy who doesn't die and blasts dual miniguns like the badass he is. I would go as far as to say that more heroes like Mauga need to exist, which are built upon the immersive player experience and enjoyment as opposed to having so many moving parts since we already have so many heroes like that.

[@Meese12]

Honestly i see his issues as a symptom of 5v5. If he didnt have to be the team's only tank and was retuned to be squishier and have more spread when firing one gun at a time, i like the idea of a low-range tank who excels in tankbusting. He'd be like a reverse roadhog who jumps out of position tanks instead of punishing out of position squishies, but because he was designed as a solo tank to be played against a solo tank, he was given enough survivability that he just became unengaging and hard to balance. Edit: i realize my proposal is just Big Reaper. Still cool, but less unique.

[@Gahgow]

HOT TAKE! Many of the maps hinder flyer's (particularly Pharah's) opportunities to be effective with the existence of random signs, posts and railings that need to be shot or avoided in order to hit/land your shots and maneuver properly. Until these are removed, flyers will always be a at a bit more of a disadvantage than other standard DPS'.

[@Raksoforback]

Hot take: the recent twitch drops should be Battle Pass skins, not shop skins. They brought season 1 and 2 skins back to the hero gallery, then waited an entire season before starting to give them for free so that majority of people actually interested in the skins might've already bought them, which does look quite scammy - they could've started the drops the moment the skins came back to shop but that would make less people buy them, waiting to see if the skin they want appears in the drops, and I guess we can't have that. If the drops were BP skins instead, it would be more both fair and interesting. Interesting because there is currently no way to get those skins if you missed that season, and fairer for the same reason - even if they were giving away the premium tiers, someone who bought the BP for them would still have had the opportunity to use them a year earlier.

[@hoolly]

i guess the problem with dps passive is also likely the others - not every hero benefits that much from the passive like others most punishable as brig is literally positioning aka playing in the leftclick range - you will get punished kinda fast

[@beanz6228]

Hot take: bastion needs a rework. His turret form melts pretty much every single hero in the blink of an eye and it just feels like his kit is almost entirely geared towards burst damage that means he either comes in and destroy your entire team (with some support ofc) or he wastes cool downs and gets blown up. Bastion needs a rework that diversifies his kit and gives him more options to do damage beyond just dumping your cooldowns into an enemy till its not moving

[@reddieredtoonsss]

Hot take: Rein needs a speed boost. He relies entirely too much on a Lucio matchup. Maybe a very slight speed boost after a charge, much like Ram’s speed boost during Nemesis form.

[@ItachiUchiha-dh3jh]

I will say, that playing as a tank the dps passive having an indicator can be an actual life saver.

[@Arcadifie]

Hot take: Rein fire strike Bap window should one-shot (at least 250hp targets.) Even though they're steering away from one shots, and I agree they should, Rein & Bap is a combo that only works with an ultimate, so it's not like it's a frequent thing. It can also be easily countered, provided you're running the correct tank. As for Shatter Window Fire Strike, it requires two ultimates and coordination, so I think it should be rewarded, so why not bring it back

[@RookieSnow]

Hot take: tanks shouldn't be affected by the DPS passive, or at least the effect should be reduced for them (even if their HP has to get slightly reduced again). This will allow the one and only tank in your team to actually tank damage without fear of being melted by insane -unhealable- burst damage. Also greatly strengthening the relation between tanks as healers, as they would naturally be able to mitigate way more damage together, while still making it so fights don't drag like before, as squishys remain being punished for bad positioning. Healers would have to prioritize staying with their tanks while DPSs have to play smarter knowing that they have to look more for opportunities to melt squishys rather than just focus firing whatever is in front of them.

[@SnarkyShane]

Hot take on the subject of Junkrat: What if his nades became cluster bombs? When he initially fires they're clumped together (I'm thinking tied together with string for thematics) and are still a single 120 damage projectile, then after 1st bounce they split into 3 smaller nades that do 40dmg each. This would let his "spam around corners" playstyle cover a much larger area and make it much more difficult to avoid his damage. 40 per bomb isn't much (6 hits to kill) but it would spread the dps passive and just be a ton of bulk damage for supports to keep up with and it plays perfectly into his mad bombardier aesthetic

[@Kavukamari]

Like hogs old scattergun but a bouncing projectile cluster

[@lucernarii4618]

Hot Take: I see a lot of people talk about Kiriko being bad for the game, but imo baptiste is bad for the game. He can do as much, sometimes even more, damage as any DPS. He can heal as good as anyone in the game. On top of that, with his lamp and self heal, you have to burn through 250 HP of health, 50 health of lamp, and another 80 instant HP from his self heal with 40 HP over time. This is coming from a masters support main btw

[@Gimnbo]

Hot take: Mauga metas are a good time to experiment with 2 DPS players/2 support players/1 tank bot, because when I play Mauga mirrors I feel like a god damn NPC.

[@olleicua]

Mei is designed like a tank, Zarya is designed like a support, and Doomfist needs a major rework (as in change out one of the abilities). Mei's kit centers on survivability and tactical damage prevention, Zarya's kit focuses on keeping her team alive and plays further back than most tank, Doomfist is hard to learn and even people who are good at him don't like how he's set up right now.

[@alexyehendal9495]

I have been saying this for a long time. Give Rein the ability to charge with his shield up, but disable the pin when he does. And also give him a short range jump attack like he does in the Glory and Honor video(2:15)

[@parajon]

Hot take: rework the tank passive and give them something like "debuffs are halved in effect or duration." This would remedy the numerous problems with abilities such as discord, anti nade, dps passive, hack, etc. which arent as problematic on the other roles. It also removes changing specific abilities just for tanks like anti nade. Maybe they could remove the knockback reduction to balance it out, since tanks will have much more survivability with this.

[@purplezeppelin6583]

Hot take: reins fire strike should be changed to a lightning strike, that channels through enemy players when it hits an enemy. This can split up enemy teams and give rein a bit more viability in game. Also, they should give him two pin ability charges

[@starboypluto]

Junkrat oneshot was one of the few ways you could express skill as him and without it he's been condemned solely to a spam character

[@ivanmartinez7787]

why don't you play an actually skilled character instead of a granade spammer? if you want to express skill you could just play genji, tracer, widow, cass, echo and many others.

[@CT--tm2zm]

@@ivanmartinez7787because that was half of his kit? Maybe people want to play funny bomb man

[@cremenbutter3831]

​@@ivanmartinez7787 but he is or at least was a skillful hero i personally haven't played him in so yet so i dunno how he's doing rn but he absolutely was a skillful hero in previous seasons

[@VampiresAreRealGuys]

@@ivanmartinez7787 stop walking into grenades

[@ivanmartinez7787]

@@VampiresAreRealGuys I don't , but its free zoning for a low effort character, junkrat should always stay irrelevant in diamond + ranks. If you are diamond + you should be able to play an actual skillful character and if you are below diamond everyone is eating granades, free points no buff needed.

[@Frogga_UFO]

About Zarya not being Orisa's counter. Im Orisa OTP and i 100000% agree. Thankfully most of the people in Masters understand that and very rarely tell me that i should switch because "Zarya counters me" Playing against a good Zarya is actually way easier than playing against even a bad Dva. The only thing you need to do is to ask your team not to shoot bubbles and just play around covers when she bubbles, this way Zarya loses all her value, and then just switches to someting else. Good counters are Dva, Sigma, Ball, Winston, Hog. Good Ball is by far the hardest one in Push mode

[@gummostump4217]

Hot take: ow1 sombra only needed tuning, not a rework. Hack had plenty of tuning points (duration, lock-on, which abilities get silenced, etc) and her subsequent reworks have been needlessly laborious for devs AND players to figure out.

[@kaialsh4321]

Hot take: if they sell the old overwatch, i would buy it.

[@garionkyles8720]

Hot take: Overwatch gamemodes need more objectives. Like rescuing civilians or a map that changes depending on the winning team. Rn gamemodes are a lot of the same.

[@KeenyDaJoo7]

Hot take: Devs should try Mei as a support. I think it'd be cool if her primary fire and secondary fire did heals and damage (just less damage). Her ult could have anti-nade effects and do heals. Idk why freezing people would heal them, but idc just do it

[@GoldBean2752]

Hot take: 6v6 should be added again, and tank should be separated into two roles: tank and brawler. Brawler would be what is currently off tanks, like junker queen, hog, etc. this is to avoid double shield meta.

[@Skilletking2010]

And then separate dps roles into their sub categories.

[@ace2311]

I see it. I usually have the same thought but with supports where you have one main healer and the other playing a mixture of dps/healer creating opportunities to move in. You could have someone like mercy focus mainly on heals and damage boost and have a Moira or kiriko flank and create opportunities for some massive pushes

[@Koriiii]

6v6 should come back but theres no reason to split the role up again. MT + OF, MT + MT, OF + OF can be good combos and limiting these will ruin the potential for the role to be fun. No need to worry about Double Shield because the cause of that META was entirely balance and nothing to do with the format or 2 shields on 1 team. 2-2-2 allowed players and teams to be flexible and come up with ideas and strategies that were niche with their comps. It is a good thing

[@TheMortalKombatent]

@@Koriiii yeah they should keep tank as tank now that double shield isnt possible anymore. also doom winston comp would go so hard

[@samjohnson7325]

Sombra having a 3 second cooldown that completely turns off a bunch of ults and abilities is broken, also she should have a camoflauge instead of invisibility that is easier to spot when she is moving,

[@tgs5725]

I'm still mind blown that perma-Invis as a passive ability exists in a competitive shooter. She's basically the fuckin Predator. I think 5 years from now we will all look back at OW laughing thinking "can you believe we had a freaking invisible character?! Who thought that was okay??"

[@kjk8193]

hot take: season 9 is a good time to give mercy back the boost of healing on critical allies that she had a few patches ago. it would feel good to use against the dps passive

[@nateu360]

Hot take: There can be no “perfect” meta, as long as the devs keep patching and adding in heroes the “meta” will be 1 of 3 things dev motivated, playerbase caused, or an accidental bug, quick fix QOL change that exploits the game. See seasons where a hero’s simple strong/ weak debut or issue overstayed many patches. The devs load themselves with issues to create, players to complain and the game to eventually expose

[@comixfan]

Ximming should not be allowed as it's cheating per Blizzard themselves. Just permaban all ximmers.

[@plsbshiny2533]

xim is a third party accessory, people dont play it because they cant afford a pc but they play it because they cant win without it

[@Blueninja-hj7qk]

9:50 bro saw the siege roadmap for this year and thought, "Huh, they should do that for OW2"

[@Blueninja-hj7qk]

How ever I don't like this, not cause I xim, but cause I use my keyboard to type in chat. Way faster than using the controller keyboard

[@leipomon]

Hot take: bring back the nano speed boost

[@AnaTheBanana123]

The beyblade returns

[@FabricatedPheonix]

Hot take: Let rein charge with his shield up until he grabs someone. Once he grabs someone the shield goes down and acts like his normal charge. At least give him some overhealth armor during the charge

[@somedude6991]

He would be the most broken rush tank in ow2

[@FabricatedPheonix]

​@@somedude6991He deserves a little bit of time in the spotlight

[@parkerstinsley]

Hot Take: bring back Assault maps. We as a community whined about these maps until they got removed, but I think with some simple adjustments (like what they did with Watchpoint Gibraltar a few patches ago) these maps would be great to play. Especially since 5v5 helped solve the 2nd point defense stall issue by removing an entire tank from the team. I miss Hanamura and I’d love to play it in a competitive setting again, not just arcade.

[@J4Washington]

Hot take: Tank passive should be changed to give them some type of buff when they're debuffed. That way the tanks get rewarded for tanking abilities & teams get less reward out of chain CC'ing/debuffing the tank

[@garionkyles8720]

Cold take: The battle pass should have a legendary skin for every single hero in the game without exception.

[@masynnshupe3237]

They should have a rein buff where he gets charged for his next attack from his shield so if he breaks his shield that would give him a 5 % buff to his next attack excluding charges or if he takes 300 damage to his shield that would give him 15 extra damage to a hit or a charged hit

[@Saroniss]

Hot take: Mercy needs a complete character overhaul. I understand this is a hero based shooter and not a strict first person shooter, but having a character who is most effective when they aren't shooting anything at all is bad game design

[@fredsterthegamer]

Crazy you brought up the party frame, they said in dev blog that they were going to add in season 9 and we are half way through and still haven’t received it yet

[@garionkyles8720]

Hot take: Hanzo should be able to cling to walls mid wall climb and then shoot his bow from that spot. Using some kind of dragon magic.

[@Arr0wzWii]

Hot take: Ximming should not be allowed at all, it gains an unfair advantage against players, which is cheating. If they want to play with mouse and keyboard that badly, then they should be playing on PC. Better yet, let players use mouse and keyboard on console (No Xims) like Fortnite and Modern Warfare, but they ONLY get put in PC pools.