Xinjiang: Fact-checking Adrian Zenz: An Interview with Prof. Björn Alpermann by Prof. Felix Wemheuer

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@vocnotvoa7707 3 жыл бұрын

Before you believe these lies, simply ask following questions (1) Why even China’s president could only have one child due to the one child policy from 1979 to 2016 but all the “persecuted” Uyghurs and Tibetans were allowed to have multiple kids? (2) Why China has never criticized Palestine but always condemned Israel? How about the US? (3) Any mass persecutions are always associated with refugee crisis much less a genocide which is the uttermost form of persecution. In addition to genocide, our allegations also include incarceration of more than 1 million or about 8% of the entire Uyghur population in concentration camps and forced labor as well. If our accusations are true, we must have seen a notable refugee crisis like those we have seen in many other places but why our satellites which can read a license plate clearly can’t show us a single image of the refugee camps along the border or Uyghurs flocking to the border desperately trying to escape from China? Why we are only given so called satellite photo evidence of “concentration camps”? How do you know that these properties are concentration camps? Simply because they are enclosed with a continuous wall? In China, I saw all the schools from elementary to college, hospitals, factories, etc. are enclosed with a continuous wall. Why in one such evidence, you can even find a big garden in a “concentration camp”? Why BBC needs to blur the date on the passport of a “concentration camp victim” simply because the printed date indicates that her passport was issued and renewed while she was detained in the “concentration camp”? (4) why no Muslim countries join this game of disinformation against China? (5) Why you dare not to watch following videos to find out the truth? (1) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYvIpH-tfaycoac (2) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gn26dWN7m7WMl7s (3) kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3mQYZ-Vr7mihJY (4) kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4mxc4F_a9Zkac0

@world_explorerdawood731 3 жыл бұрын

Of course muslim nations will not join this game, because they knew thats a lie. On the other hand, you should also go ask yourself, if all theses things about China does to Uyghurs are true, then why Taliban chose China to be their number one ally and bestie, why Taliban did;t chose US or Russia even muslim countries to be their number one ally? have you thought about that?

@qinby1182 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, this was no "fact check" this was an endorsement. I must say when they use "they have to learn Chinese in school" as proof of "Genocide" (cultural Genocide) you really understand how they are trying to find SOMETHING. If that is the length you go to... I had to learn English in school, was that also "Genocide" The most important fact. The people who gave you this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGfJY6Bqo5aBjNE Is now giving you "Uighur Genocide, Slave Labor and Concentration Camps" and this is the reason kzbin.info/www/bejne/an-WaWisgM2Lj7M

@ruekurei88 3 жыл бұрын

@@world_explorerdawood731 Because the Taliban has no friends, not even other Islamic nations. China is the only one willing to help them out, because they have a vested interest in Afghanistan's stability, given their location. If you haven't noticed, no other Islamic nation has actually called out China because they'd rather maintain good economic ties. Same with most of the world actually, they'd rather be quiet and maintain good economic ties.

@world_explorerdawood731 3 жыл бұрын

@@ruekurei88 There are no such things as genocide, or forced labor,as well as tortures or sterilization, its just Angelo-american's propaganda to destabilize China. Those testimonies you heard are just people who tried to seek green card oversea and for their own political gain. Xinjiang is not like North Korea at all, anyone can visit there freely, there are even islamic institutes in Xinjiang.

@orthodoxekukengemeinde1020 3 жыл бұрын

You're not talking about any of the evidence mentioned here. Your comment is thus useless whataboutism. If you wanna have an objective discussion about Zenz, read his paper, check his sources, and come back.

@HaraldinChina 3 жыл бұрын

as he correctly IMHO says China aims at cultural transformation, why does he then go on to label it cultural genocide instead? In that logic Europe has culturally genocided the Sinti and Roma cultures, and now the minorities of smokers and of machos experience a cultural genocide, as we try to achieve cultural transformation. From what I've seen among young Uyghur women, it could also be called liberation. Many Uyghurs don't want to live in an agrarian, conservative, Muslim society. I agree it would be preferable if we could research in detail how many Uyghurs prefer modern life and liberal Islam over what they had in the 1990s. Last thought: in Saudi Arabia we'd be the first to cheer for a radical cultural transformation/genocide, eradicating the conservative clerical institutions in favor of women's rights. So we should not be so judgemental when it comes to China. After all, they didn't kill 2 million Muslims in two illegal wars over the recent 20 years.

@artouditou08 2 жыл бұрын

Womans liberation?! While they are being raped by chinese prison guards?? Why call it "Cultural transformation"? Maybe call it suppressing of freedom of belief. It is insane that you have made this assumptions while having internet access, completly insane and deranged.

@HaraldinChina 2 жыл бұрын

@@artouditou08 Why would you use all these insults if you had arguments? Conservative Islam forces women to cover their hair, the parents decide who their daughters get married to, they aren't allowed to look for work outside the village. That's why I call this transformation a liberation of women, because I have seen the young Uighur girls in their 20s, dancing and shooting TikTok videos. Yes, a tiny group of extremists surely did get imprisoned, that's far better than their Islamic fellows across the border, the Taliban, who were killed by US bombs for 2 decades. That clearly wasn't a successful liberation of the women.

@HaraldinChina 2 жыл бұрын

@@artouditou08 BTW on my channel you'll find actual video footage from Xinjiang, as I've been there and don't rely on US propaganda you find on the internet.

@MarkMiller304 2 жыл бұрын

They banned the hijab in France but it’s for “women’s rights” not cultural genocide. The double speak is so blatant is comical.

@gnojpumpar 3 жыл бұрын

Zenz’s first published book, “Worthy to Escape: Why all believers will not be raptured before the Tribulation,” he and his co-author, Marlos Sias, urged Christian believers to subject unruly children to “scriptural spanking,” condemned homosexuality as “one of the four empires of the beast,” and argued that Jews who refuse to convert to evangelical Christianity during the End Times would either be “wipe[d] out” or “refined” in a “fiery furnace.”

@Zerpentsa6598 3 жыл бұрын

There are many western "analysts" and "experts" who have never been to China or understood Chinese civilization who write "scholarly" rubbish. Zenz is one, but there are several. For this "professor" to say Zenz "has advanced the study" is really laughable. He has lost credibility.

@-Ahmed8592 3 жыл бұрын

Zenz simply looked at Chinese government contracts for the mass construction of camps that corresponded with testimonies that some Uyghurs and Kazakhs had begun to offer about their experiences in Xinjiang. He’s right

@scchai6256 3 жыл бұрын

Zenz ....ha...ha....ha..... i think you are good enough to mess up usa and europe, keep them busy with your study and busy with sanction...taking away the 5G...etc etc. However China is making his high speed rail running faster and faster, launching more satellites into the space, making the 6G ready after fad up using 5G. We are struggling with 4G.... I think you are one of them to be blame as the fxxx culprit to slow us down and let China runs faster....and faster. At the end we mess up our own life and the chinese is living with better life just because we have too many such square headed scholar...do you agree or not?

@Zerpentsa6598 2 жыл бұрын

@@-Ahmed8592 Are you serious? Do you know how social research should be conducted? Go get your diaper changed.

@kentoishot 2 жыл бұрын

Given the data and access constraints inherent to this type of research, I think Zenz did do a lot for the field bc he acquired so much evidence. However, as this professor pointed out, how Zenz interprets and analyses that evidence leaves much to be desired.

@LiterarischeAktion 2 жыл бұрын

Adrian Zenz is simply a liar or crazy.

@sayilu 2 жыл бұрын

Adrian zenz would block anyone on twitter if question him even in good manner. He’s gone crazy.

@MarkMiller304 2 жыл бұрын

He is crazy, you read his crazy Christian book?

@DrCryn 3 жыл бұрын

No word at the high degree of mechanization in Cotton Picking nowadays in Xinjiang? So there is no real need of forced labour

@orthodoxekukengemeinde1020 3 жыл бұрын

watch at around 10:00. The argument is debated there.

@DrCryn 3 жыл бұрын

@@orthodoxekukengemeinde1020 at 10:00?? No they don't mention it there.

@orthodoxekukengemeinde1020 3 жыл бұрын

@@DrCryn They talk about the sources and aeguments ofZenz regarding that point. The source being an official report. Fact-checking means looking at the sources and the source- specific interpretation. That is what they are doing, nothing more nothing less.

@peteryoung8541 2 жыл бұрын

@@orthodoxekukengemeinde1020 No they don't only mention increased mechanisation of cotton industry. This fact is NOT even brought up in the discussion. Prof. Alpermann stated the following in summary: 1. WUC complains Uyghurs are NOT included in cotton production, they are importing Han workers; and 2. When more Uyghurs are included in production process WUC now complains of slave labour. Basically he is indirectly stating WUC can't claim both. As for the 10:00 mark Prof Alpermann is referring to "transforming agricultural workers into docile industrial workers". This is a process Westerners should be familiar with, industrialization leads to cultural transformation. For proof see resulting assimilation of minority groups on America, most Asian have lost the ability to speak their mother tongues, thus the infamous language laws of Quebec in Canada protecting French as a language in that region.

@seshhhh191 Жыл бұрын

Super Video, danke für deine Arbeit.

@mariomastadon7650 11 ай бұрын

To become a German citizen, you need to learn the German language and culture, is that cultural genocide? All minorities in China are part of the Chinese culture and all have to speak the Chinese language, Uyghurs and Tibetans are no exceptions. However, the Tibetans and Uyghurs have a written language which they get to learn at school. The arabic language is featured on all Chinese cash notes... People always speak of gender equality, when China targets and gives Uyghur woman the opportunity to work, help them earn more than the men do, become financially independent, enabling them a better chance at choosing the man they want to marry and not be forced into a marriage planned by their parents, and MOST important, not be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, it's a bad thing? Really? Do we have to add a sinister motive to everything the Chinese do? I can think of many things us westerners have done in the past that we have conveniently swept under the rug...

@alyasagan3620 3 жыл бұрын

Xingxiang all based on report but zero hard evidence...your creditability is gone if you talk about research

@schang8964 Жыл бұрын

Cultural erosion has affected Han Chinese cities, where historical walls, buildings, and local dialects are vanishing. This phenomenon is not limited to a specific minority group, such as the Uighurs. Instead, it appears that the loss of local culture is happening across China, irrespective of location or the particular minority group involved.

@walhdamaskus2408 7 ай бұрын

Thats what happen in germany, in america in many countries too. Thats call standardising and officialising or commonising langueqes.

@schang8964 7 ай бұрын

@@walhdamaskus2408 why you tell me what i just said, how should i reply to this?

@walhdamaskus2408 7 ай бұрын

@@schang8964, nothing or just to wake u up to have piss time before bedtime.

@larrygerman7211 3 жыл бұрын

I just love these "China experts" who have probably NEVER been to China let alone Xinjiang. Uyghurs are considered the same as any other ethnic minority in China. Since China gives added privileges to minorities, why would they treat Uyghurs different?

@walhdamaskus2408 Жыл бұрын

Its really hard to predict or estimate something that wasnt or isnt exist, u can only exaggerate or overestimate ur claims.

@RoyalMICHAEL Ай бұрын

Alpermann macht sich echt lächerlich, dass er einen Extremisten wie Zenz überhaupt ernst nimmt!

@troutstalker4744 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to the comments here, it saved me from watching this garbage.

@agitouhd 2 жыл бұрын

Comments from CIA bots. Nice try.

@christopher.2042 2 жыл бұрын

So fact checking with a guy who is just slightly less biased against China? Not critical enough.

@christopher.2042 2 жыл бұрын

That speculative reason for the supposed forced sterilization is super far fetched, the Chinese communists want to restrict birth so they create "facts on the ground" of already low birth rates? Doesnt even make sense.

@fenxian Ай бұрын

Fact check: can this professor of Contemporary Chinese Study speak Chinese? Can Andrian Eenz speak fluent Chinese as Wiki claimed? Easy, just open your mouth!