XJ9's MTX survey thoughts - New server with no MTX? Will Jagex talk to me on discord?!?!

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@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
I also wonder if they should make it single account only (not multi logging/alts).
@aaronw-arrior9974
@aaronw-arrior9974 Ай бұрын
Osrs has minigames and bosses and such as alternative ways to train. Wintertodt and such. Feel like things like elite dungeons is fine because its far less exp overall. Its faster starting maybe but yeah
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
It depends on the content and if people use it to avoid the content entirely. People avoiding dungeoneering entirelyt by doing sinkholes/elite dungeons is bad. Those should be considered non core training methods. Dungeoneering get's trash talked all the time because "it's dead" but it's only dead due to trash systems in rs3. You would still be "training" the skill, as you would get bonus exp. But you would still need to do your typical stuff to train it. The gate of elidinis boss and croesus for example would not give bonus exp, and instead give flat experience. They don't cheese anything. My concern overall are people cheesing agility/dungeoneering/runecrafting. Anything else idc. Elite dungeons makes you high gp/h and good combat exp (doing full runs btw) and passively trains dungeoneering. It doesn't matter if it's "less" if people WILL use it in mass to avoid dungeoneering. Also, elite dungeon cheeses the 1st 80-90~ levels of dungeoneering, as it's far better to token farm than train dungeeonering legit early on.
@aaronw-arrior9974
@aaronw-arrior9974 Ай бұрын
@XJ9LoL I dunno personally I've always hated dungeoneering and I know a lot of others who find it to be a mini game itself. Pretty similar to raids on osrs or gauntlet. Dungeoneering could be considered one of my favorite skills now because I can train it passively by doing dungeons that progress my actual account tho with not just rewards but the items from the dungeon themselves. Just a remnant of a lost time. Like if we wanna revive a mini game let's to pc and make void augmentable 😆 that'd be hype. But yeah I mean fixing dung would be interesting. But I'd rather them lean more towards fixing it with Ed style content
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
Most people who say they hate dungeoneering barely tried it and do not understand it. The game server should aim to be like 2010~. I even argue daily challenges perhaps shouldn't even exist so that you can login and not feel the need to do something. I can log onto osrs right now and not feel like I need to do a specific thing. I can do whatever I want. I am assuming you train dungeoneering via elite dungeons? I am not even being that mean about it, I just think dungeoneering tokens should be flat exp. Not sure about the minor exp you get from the dungeon itself, which I think is in the realm of 1-5k an hour (killing mobs give dungeoneering experience, so small I don't even remember how much). Doing elite dungeons IS NOT dungeoneering. So that is why I feel it should be bonus exp so you have to train it the traditional way. Dungeoneering is a unique skill with floors, unlike any other skill, so I think an exception/different rules for it should exist. I do not want people to get 120-200ml dungeoneering by just doing elite dungeons/sinkholes/daily challenges and never stepping foot inside a dungeon. That is dumb and osrs would make fun of the game and no one would care, including myself. And then if the game mode dies, don't act surprised that the server died. It isn't just TH that is an issue, it's the overpowered 1-5 minutes of effort 200k+ experience boosts that rs3 has that osrs makes fun of. And no, void augmentable = no. That is complicated and leads to more issues. Let's stick with MY SIMPLE solution instead of wanting participation trophies and saying "I got 120 dungeoneering by doing elite dungeons" instead of "I got 120 dungeoneering by conquering all 60 floors". That would be hype. Elite dungeons isn't dungeoneering, simple as that. Dungeoneering can use a few qol changes, that is it. Nothing needs to be majorly overhauled. No real "fixing" required, just qol.
@aaronw-arrior9974
@aaronw-arrior9974 Ай бұрын
@XJ9LoL so. I actually learned dung in order to sell floors can do large solos in under 10 and yeah think it's bad. If I wanted to play a mini game I would. Dung tokens are vastly slower than farming dungeoneering at level 85+ unless your like speed farming ed4 in groups. I just hit 104 dung today from grinding out elite tectonic and doing ed trilogies. Maybe put 1.5m tokens into exp. But yeah hated dung on release hate it now. Only learned because selling floors used to be absolutely insane gp compared to what I could get bossing. But since have gotten a lot better. Osrs had it right by breaking dung into mini games with applicable rewards. Dung in rs3 is just dated to the times. But hopefully with all the new stuff they add in some real content for it. And if 99 from Ed which is drastically slower is a participation trophy when it required actual combat to stuff with gear you have in the actual game. Whether token farming or not. But yeah dg has been a split in the community since launch gonna be hard to fix. And also yeah dailies are targeted to make you wanna do things. So don't do em. I gave up on not having fun and doing the efficiency bs ages ago. Why I stopped doing dung. Got 99 on my iron from the 50-80k xp/h running the dungeons can be for xp.
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
Well, you pretty much just repeated what I said in regards to tokens being the best to do 1-80/90. That is pretty bad in my opinion. Dungeoneering in rs3 is a skill, in oldschool, it's raids (not a skill). Token system vs drop system. Idk, weird to say I think because I don't consider dungeoneering dated. It's just the systems made it pointless to do. Also, saying "just don't do it" is a poor argument. If it takes 1-5 mins to do for 20+ mins of saved time, why wouldn't you? Just don't make it exist or make it bxp. It isn't complicated. Clearly this conversation won't go anywhere and it wouldn't surprise me if Jagex talks to themselves like this, constantly making irrational comparisons and justifying doing nothing and making everything easy and wondering why osrs is vastly more popular than rs3. Rs3 needs to do something instead of nothing like you suggest. So no, it isn't hard to fix. Thank you. Sorry, getting a bit "meh" over these conversations. Everyone types the same talking points of "but irrational comparison X" and then says "let's just do nothing/don't do it then" and then "hard to fix". It doesn't get anywhere. I often wish I was the lead @ jagex so I could fix the game without these annoying obstacles all the time in regards to change.
@ghostmachine6285
@ghostmachine6285 Ай бұрын
This topic has come full circle. I started in rs classic we complained xp rates were terrible rs2 came slightly better rates rs3 came even better rates now players complain its too easy 🤣
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
I think it's mostly because people keep looking at the end game when they think of starting a new. They forget that quests are a good path forward in progressing your skills and unlocks. They just cannot imagine going through the "grind" again when it really doesn't take that long. Runescape isn't all about PvM. That is cool to hear you played since classic. Funny to hear about the gossip during those times from you. Haha!
@Sirblader11
@Sirblader11 Ай бұрын
The biggest issue is that skills and xp rates are based around mtx. No one actually wants to do laps on an agil course to 120. Instead of removing silverhawks from the game, make them a boss drop, like portables.
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
Idk about skills and exp rates being balanced around mtx. Says who? The exp rates are just as fast/faster training traditional. MTX methods (such as protean) is just a lot more afk. I did agility on osrs, my 1st 99. Agility can be fun if they do it right. The hallowed agility course is rewarding and good exp rates at the same time. It requires more effort though. I think the notion that you need to get 99/110/120 is a bad way to look at runescape. Runescape became this way mostly because RS3 allows you to skip all the hurdles you would traditional have. OSRS 99's have prestige because you cannot just skip hurdles or afk things that aren't meant to be afk'd (such as agility). I think silverhawks have to go though. Agility has always been an active skill. If you are an afk player, tough nuts. Agility is fast if you were to train it traditional. It is only slow if you afk, which is the point of a non afk skill. Clicks = exp. Doing nothing = no exp. Having silverhawks be a boss drop isn't the same as having dragon dart tips from a boss. You can buy both with IRL money (bonds), but silverhawks make you able to AFK agility, which osrs players would laugh at and QUICKLY X out of their RS3 client. I am also heavily going towards "no" on skilling portables. They are very extra and cause congestion @ spots and makes the game world feel empty. The only problematic portable is the construction one, but I feel fort construction along with construction contracts mitigate it.
@Sirblader11
@Sirblader11 Ай бұрын
Also ill push back on the idea old school players would come back to rs3 if they remove mtx. The combat system is the biggest thing osrs players hate. Its why they quit in the first place.
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
They can use legacy/revolution if they don't like it. I think the MTX is the biggest reason now. OSRS players have learned all the ins and outs I think there is a taste to try out something new with runescape.
@splaydev6798
@splaydev6798 Ай бұрын
im new to runescape in general but i've mainly heard people complain about mtx, from veteran friends of mine to randoms on the internet, i have heard the EOC complaint too but it is definitely mentioned less than mtx
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
Yep. It's mostly because OSRS has changed quite a lot to the point you couldn't compare the current state of OSRS to 2007. Gameplay and mechanic wise, it is a lot different. Some osrs youtubers have also tried rs3 recently. I think they would go harder on it if a new server was made with new rules.
@Xabraxus
@Xabraxus Ай бұрын
preaching to the choir
@XJ9LoL
@XJ9LoL Ай бұрын
Eh, I think my take on alternative methods being bonus exp into flat exp might be a bit controversial for some.
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