"IT'S TIME TO END THE GAME, ONCE AND FOR ALL" Blizzard: We hear you!
@LasPlagasOfficial4 жыл бұрын
lol
@thvl20184 жыл бұрын
Ironic
@linjudy56444 жыл бұрын
Every voice count
@MGstaR174 жыл бұрын
This summarize up Blizzard's attitude to this poor game.
@dizzyheads4 жыл бұрын
I'm confused on why Illidan faced the camera when he went infront of Arthas
@pavelgalitsyn34174 жыл бұрын
You know, this is much deeper than you think. These clips were made that bad completely intentional. Tha PAIN you feel watching it makes you to understand Illidan's pain much better
@Calebblue1014 жыл бұрын
Lmfao I was not prepared
@Piffo064 жыл бұрын
thanks god deathwing wasnt in wc3, all his pain and agony must become real shit if animated in that way
@alfredthebigasshousespider96504 жыл бұрын
he had us in the first half, not gonna lie :)
@mrrey34814 жыл бұрын
I think I'm gonna need a lot of alcohol to gorget about it. This cinematic is the most painful thing to watch. Even watching somebody getting punched in the balls isn't that painful
@conradpham4 жыл бұрын
So deep!
@vowsofwolves35264 жыл бұрын
We've come to the point where Blizzard screwed up a cinematic
@fizzbrew4 жыл бұрын
BMM Productions it made me laugh. One thing I never critiqued them on was their cinematic. This is shit. Lazy game freak levels of shit
@darkspyro19914 жыл бұрын
Thing is it is not even blizzard work. War3 reforged was outsourced to malaysian studio that did work on sc remastered. They didnt even bother to work on their flagship franchise.
@Gredran4 жыл бұрын
Ziemniaczany didn’t have the budget/employees is more accurate
@peticadsa52974 жыл бұрын
@@Gredran blizzard didn't have money and employees? lol shut up please
@Gredran4 жыл бұрын
BADBOY OFFICIAL dude, last year Activision axed over 200 employees from various departments, and also made Blizzard rush the game out. You ”shut up please”
@RichterBelmont22354 жыл бұрын
Somehow the original blocky models looks more animated and life-like than the new HD models. Exquisite camera works of the original also plays a big part.
@ismaelsantos53784 жыл бұрын
Because the originals took themselves seriously. If you try to replicate what it would be like fighting with those weapons (warglaives vs two-handed sword) you would achieve a result more similar to the original than the reforged. The audio is also better, adds more dramatic impact to each blow.
@Affenpeter4 жыл бұрын
@@ismaelsantos5378 old models were designed by actual professionals with years of experience in a top studio. New ones were made by diversity hires who probably came straight from college and played the game in their childhood. Just my guess.
@calronkeltaran4934 жыл бұрын
@@Affenpeter someone who played this in their childhood would never to this to a game they loved as a kid
@x8sNaKe8x3 жыл бұрын
The new arthas looks like he is cosplaying his old self. His gear and sword looks like it's made from cardboard box
@afeef21523 жыл бұрын
the new HD models were made by some indie lazy-ass live2D riggers artist that relies only on drawing a single panel characters and rig it instead of making a full motion made of different layers.
@saifullahhabid11333 жыл бұрын
Me: *a star craft player* Blizzard forgot about me :( *After reforged * Blizzard forgot about me :D
@sakib91023 жыл бұрын
they actually did a better job remastaring starcraft.
@saifullahhabid11333 жыл бұрын
@@sakib9102 true
@cookiegamer6703 жыл бұрын
@Natgal no they are right in saying happy when blizzard forgot about them after the reforged
@cookiegamer6703 жыл бұрын
@Natgal that's cool and all but 1: I play Starcraft 2 so I wouldn't know the problems with it other than this cut scene and some other stuff. 2: I USED to play the original Warcraft 3 quite a bit back but they fucked up on releasing it this early. 3: That is cool that you can play Naga in multiplayer however, you could already do this with maps. Edit: added "quite a bit back" after warcraft 3
@cookiegamer6703 жыл бұрын
@Natgal True its always good to stay positive but man this shit is garb- I mean, _needs more polish_
@Ranadinn4 жыл бұрын
You know what? I'm fine with the original Diablo 2 We don't need a remastered.
@Ranadinn4 жыл бұрын
@Cthulhu See warcraft 3 :p
@SpookyMarine4 жыл бұрын
Cthulhu Diablo 2 fans: How can they fuck up a remaster of this game? Activision/Blizzard: Observe
@鏡-i5d4 жыл бұрын
@Hurr durr 22 u are asking too much for thrm already
@linjudy56444 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I got you. But I still expect.
@Ratboy-xd4 жыл бұрын
@Hurr durr 22 theyve had skill point resets for a couple years now :p
@TheDavX774 жыл бұрын
The new one looks like it was done by a single person in his free time.
@lastkisswow24334 жыл бұрын
In free time and for free to be honest
@65firered4 жыл бұрын
@@lastkisswow2433 As a side project... during vacation.
@edwardness74974 жыл бұрын
are u saying single person because it doesn't have any love in it?
@TheDavX774 жыл бұрын
@@edwardness7497 It feels weightless, rushed and soulless. Doesn't look like something that was made by a company, let alone by bloody Blizzard.
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
The general reforging (other than creating the new models) feels really lazy :(
@thinhvo38934 жыл бұрын
The classic version while look shit, at least it has smooth movement between arthas vs illidan. Reforged version look so awkward and stiff it not even funny.
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
I legit thought it's stop motion
@SimaoRodrigues...4 жыл бұрын
Remember the classic was released in 2002. Back then it looked great.
@krapper65994 жыл бұрын
@@SimaoRodrigues... Nope. It was bad even by their standards
@thinhvo38934 жыл бұрын
@@SimaoRodrigues... it was bad. Even back in the day. It was their first attempt to use in game cut scene.
@Taijifufu4 жыл бұрын
@@krapper6599 everyone knew it was in-game and for an in-game cinematic it was very very good at the time. No one thought it was bad.
@datemasamune29044 жыл бұрын
Illidan: The Frozen Throne is yours, human. Let me step aside. I'll leave this world, and never return. If I do, you'll be waiting. Arthas: You have sworn to destroy it, Illidan. It must be done! Illidan: Never.
@XxBlqckXx3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ms.yawhaw88313 жыл бұрын
Yay
@BlockImmigrants3 жыл бұрын
That’s the alternative ending lol
@HOMM43 жыл бұрын
Bro, there was a text with the same “reversed” style as you wrote here , but the dialogue between Jaina and Arthas before the stratholm , could you find it and share here ?
@axechop2 жыл бұрын
The true reason Illidan was called The Betrayer - he swore to destroy the Frozen Throne and tried to betray that vow.
@personalizedoxygen56004 жыл бұрын
It’s seriously astounding how much blizzard screwed up this remaster.
@matthewgaviola88854 жыл бұрын
They thought they could largely get away with laziness as they had for a while, they were mistaken.
@rosharosus96814 жыл бұрын
this just look like a Chinese movie..
@korpiz4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it’s a real travesty. I ended up not even buying it.
@Sideritis4 жыл бұрын
@@rosharosus9681 Malaysian programmers did under contract with Activision. The old Blizzard no longer exists!
@major_trollum4 жыл бұрын
I couldnt have said that better myself, even how the fight plays out is embarrasing from a manouver point of view, it reminds me of two giraffes butting heads
@filipvadas76024 жыл бұрын
Illidan looks like he has no clue how to use his own weapon and Frostmourne has ZERO weight behind it in the new one. Enough said...
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
I'd have no clue how to use his weapon as well ;]
@olycatastrophen73184 жыл бұрын
xLetalis Now time for witcher :)
@MrWillypanda884 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis I mean.... Blizzard should probably understand how to use it.... They made Heroes of the Storm, and Illidan works great there. Here he looks like he will stab himself at any moment now.
@KKKuma4 жыл бұрын
@@MrWillypanda88 Different team I believe. The Reforged team try to make it like modern WOW trailer and Heroes but I think they are not the one who made those.That is why the model look great when standing still but weird in motions.
@TheMeta1414 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis it's literally like this is his first time wielding it in a fight he just swings it no style or anyhting
@milosstojsavljevic39144 жыл бұрын
Idk reforged looks cool and all, but the old one had so much more life in it, at least for me.
@amiramduby4 жыл бұрын
Music too! the new one feels totally lifeless
@Hogoku_YT4 жыл бұрын
Man it's so intimidating the grafics are awesome af but everything else just sucks
@kerianhalcyon27694 жыл бұрын
Legit, this feels like some intern pet project. Someone hired the most useless, disposable people possible in order to make this game, and then they slapped some expensive-looking art assets over the top to cover their tracks. Ride the hype, use the fandom to its full potential, and then lay waste when it's over. And then there's going to be a meeting over a table with Activision and Blizzard board members talking about how people clearly don't want another Warcraft. "Look at all the bad reviews. Look at all the refunds. This made zero money. Let's continue making stuff that actually makes us capital instead." And just like that, the RTS genre vanishes. Just like Command & Conquer.
@DeusNyx4 жыл бұрын
Amen. The music gives it such depths!
@Hogoku_YT4 жыл бұрын
@@amiramduby also can anyone tell me how to fix the login problem for reforged I searched the internet and it says I need a CD key which isn't available in my country! Is there any other way
@thundageon59624 жыл бұрын
"Arthas looks like a 55 year old drunk carrying a sword"
@goergebobicles13514 жыл бұрын
I mean, he's supposed to look withered and all from being undead. But yeah, the fast pace and that split second assault when Illidan tries to flee back into the air are just ruined here.
@D_E_V_I_L_K_I_L_L_E_R4 жыл бұрын
And illidan forgot to use his sword lol
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
He looks pretty much like on the original cover of the game... I mean I understand the rage, but just don't sit on the sheep wagon and nitpick bullshits. Tho the cinematics is still light years from Blizzard quality and the facial expressions kinda suck: codeshop.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/74d4146f-1c68-4cd9-a0fe-f3dfa0cf4c06.jpg.jpg
@EldestOrion4 жыл бұрын
They tried to imitate DMC5 doing it well and it didn't really stick.
@maestro41114 жыл бұрын
Yeah. He just 21 year old drunk with a sword...
@dylanfarris76474 жыл бұрын
"Hey were a company thats known for making astonishing cinematics. And we are getting a chance to remake the fight scene between our two fan favorite characters in the game that solidified our company as being amazing." "SURE ARE! Go assign it to Jim the new intern. We only have a $50 budget for the scene."
@drdnout4 жыл бұрын
Jim from Malaysia.
@stoheha3 жыл бұрын
Not just that. This scene was always intended to be a cinematic, but they lacked time to do it justice in the original. When Reforged was announced my first thought was seeing the original vision for this scene. As you can imagine, my disappointment is palpable.
@filipedoliveira9046 Жыл бұрын
@@stoheha Yeah, it was always kinda disappointed that they didn't make it a proper cinematic in the vein of Thrall and Grom Hellscream vs Mannoroth.
@jaimegutier273 Жыл бұрын
@@stoheha is right. Why in oblivion didn't they make this as a full cinematic battle? They have no excuse after 20 years. This is just like a big middle finger to everyone else.
@Jen-Yueh_Hu Жыл бұрын
@@stoheha This is why I want Microsoft to buyout Blizzard to fire all the fuckers there, the same way Elon Musk fired all the fuckers at Twitter.
@jamz87854 жыл бұрын
I really love how blizzard managed to made a battle between 2 of the most iconic and epic characters looks like something boring...
@jarettlee62424 жыл бұрын
It's funny that the classic has a more intense fight.
@jpxboxdstation4 жыл бұрын
It's not funny.... Nothing about this issue is funny, we waited so long... T.T
@heavysaber94314 жыл бұрын
@@jpxboxdstation sounds like game of thrones season 8, we waited for 2 or so years, and we got delivered a half baked peanut shitcake
@MarioChaparroLampard4 жыл бұрын
They both suck
@marciaquispe44724 жыл бұрын
Actually, classic is dumb as fuck Illidan retreats and while in the air arthas leap and finish him off What the hell was that
@capnqueer22864 жыл бұрын
@@marciaquispe4472 I mean, it's dumb, but they certainly didn't phone it in.
@daluestortoises64694 жыл бұрын
Using bare hand to catch a sharp blade is coming toward you. Very smart move, Blizzard.
@jktuert86303 жыл бұрын
It is not bare hands tho. And even it was - he looks more like one of his gauls than an alive from flash.
@Aibadenshi3 жыл бұрын
If you catch a sword and able to hold it, barehand or not it will not cut you. Yet, at least till it move. But it still pretty dumb for Illidan to do so.
@snappycenter78633 жыл бұрын
@Roy J And he still got cut by it. Look at that cinematic and you'll see his hand bleeding fel blood.
@annhentaiuser66584 жыл бұрын
They could at least give a brief moment of Arthas dodging Illidan's blades or something while he reaches out for his Frostmourne after being thrown away instead of casually running to it and Illidan does nothing.
@GlassGolem4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of the disarming, I think the new version gets who's the hero/villain mixed up - Illidan is the dark hero and Arthas is the villain protagonist. The Original clearly establishes that in the first clash - Arthas is overpowering Illidan, making Illidan the underdog we should root for. Meanwhile, the New version doesn't stop at merely having Illidan overpowering Arthas - he straight-up disarms him! This establishes Arthas as the Pure and Just hero, who must vanquish the darkness of- hurg... pah! Sorry, threw up a little there. For extra stupidity, most examples I've seen of the "villain disarms the hero" trope either save it for the end of the fight or have the hero immediately disarm the villain so they both have a fist fight over retrieving their weapons; NOT at the start of the fight as cheap way to tell us who the "Hero" is.
@Bleza_2jz4 жыл бұрын
Exactly this. The way the scene showed Arthas turned his entire back making him vulnerable to a fatal blow and you just made Illidan wait and stare at him? Further proof that this was a horribly choreographed scene.
@tnnetnattninuttn46274 жыл бұрын
@@GlassGolem None of them is the good boy here. Illidan is not here because he wants to save the world or anything like that (unlike his preceding battles in w3, where I would agree with you on him being the dark hero). Lich king rebelled against Legion, which is the bad guys faction, that created Lich king. And as a result Kil Jaeden gets angry and forces his other pawn Illidan, who even tried to hide, to go and kill the Lich king. And Illidan goes cuz otherwise Kil jaeden would kill him. And judging from the rebellion of Lich king against legion it looks they may wanted to make him turn good. That would actually make Arthas the hero here because he came in the last minute to save the rebellious LK from vengeance of his evil masters. And since they gave up making strategy games (where this would be a nice plot twist that was being slowly built up) changing to MMO they kinda needed LK as the main boss for WoW expansion to attract people as he was the most famous iconic "baddie" figure they had along with Illidan who was a boss an expansion sooner. Even the two factions of Illidan's army here became bosses for the sake of selling the MMO even though they weren't really evil. Also few comments sooner I read that while it is not properly shown in the animation but it is only in book how Illidan lost to Arthas because he was boasting and unerestimating Arthas which I guess would by your standards make Illidan the bad guy. Nevertheless what I wrote is how I percieve and feel about it and w3 was a lot about morally gray characters so I know that everyone could have different feelings about it and it is open up for a discussion. (btw I am not considering Legion expansion here as it came much later.)
@GlassGolem4 жыл бұрын
@@tnnetnattninuttn4627 That's an interesting perspective, but I don't think it reflects what actually appears in the story(s). For starters, while Illidan has done fowl things, they were generally done with good intentions: absorbing the skull of Gul'dan's power was to better slay the demons invading Azeroth; melting Icecrown Glacier was to destroy the Lich King Ner'zhul, a "mutual enemy" of the Night Elves. Having said that, his lust for power and lack of concern for consequences are very unbecoming of of a hero, even a dark one. But Arthas? Any good intentions he had for taking up Frostmorne withered a died after he killed his father and slaughtered his countrymen in the name of Ner'zhul. What few "free willed" actions he takes as a Death Knight serve only to be cruel, petty, and fuel his own megalomania: turning Silvanas into a sentient slave instead of a mindless automaton; having everyone call him "king". Even betraying the location of the Skull of Gul'dan was for getting rid of Ner'zhul's jailers. Here's the interesting part, though: while skimming through WoWwiki articles, I learned that BOTH Illidan and Arthas were redeemed; but their respective arcs were very different... Illidan develops a nasty case of insanity in WoW, forcing him to be put down. His body survives, however, and is stolen by an alternate universe Gul'dan (just roll with it), but his spirit assists stoping Gul'dan, ultimately resulting in Illidan reclaiming his body and slaying the self-proclaimed "Darkness Incarnate ". With Illidan's insanity (mostly) cured, the Naaru Xe'ra, a being of pure Light, claims that Illidan is the child of Light and Shadow, destined to end the age demons. And Arthas? After gaining complete control of his body post-merging with Ner'zhul, he launches a full scale assault on the lands of the living. The ensuing counterattack being a means to acquire more powerful servants to conquer the world. After Frostmorne is shattered and the Helm of Domination knocked off his head from a mortal wound, Ner'zhul's influence is removed, and in his dying moments, Arthas is redeemed. Oh, if you're wondering what the deal with the "good" Lich King running around after that? That's Tirion Fordring, a completely different person who was good the whole time, and willingly took on the mantle of Lich King after Arthas's death to ensure the mindless undead do not attack the living. So what do I think that means for the final battle of WC3:tFT? Well, though Illidan is hardly a "good guy", there's a great deal of "grayness" to his actions; and he does seemingly have a full redemption in the future, so having him in a slightly heroic light could be justified. But Arthas? He's not a hero in this fight - and he never truly becomes one in WoW either. He's a slave; unquestionably obeying the Ner'zhul's orders, even as the Lich King's power whanes. Even when he assumes control, he's still a slave to Ner'zhul's desire for conquest and domination. ...Which is why the remade cutscene makes me puke: it keeps ramming down my throat that Arthas is the "hero"; complete with having him use skill and agility to best Illidan, who uses overwhelming force to win - when, based on their weapons and armor(or lack thereof), it should be the other way around!
@gtktk30974 жыл бұрын
@@GlassGolem Agreed
@seleth60684 жыл бұрын
Wow. I always thought the original fight was too short, made Illidan look really weak, had a dumb conclusion, and was annoyed it was only in-game graphics and not one of the amazing cinematics Blizzard was known for. Somehow the proper cinematic version in Reforged looks and flows worse and has a dumber conclusion. This makes me appreciate the original more.
@ShinOrochi4 жыл бұрын
Just here to says that this "proper" cinematic from the Reforged is also used in-game graphics too lol
@Jesus-wp7dg4 жыл бұрын
Shin Orochi Oh you were also spreading false info on other comments as well. Recheck ur facts mate
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
I agree it is not Blizzard quality. But do not be a like hunter bullshiter sheep lol. We can consider this a fan made version, then everyone will start appretiating it...
@darwinwaterson39614 жыл бұрын
These "sheep" that hate reforged are peoole who played the original Warcraft 3. Their opinion is more important than some white knight's defending a failes game.
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
@@darwinwaterson3961 I've played WC since WCI and to be honest I preferred WCII style over WCIII :D I hated those square looks and the kinda fixed and close camera angles :D But it had its atmosphere and generally it was a great game, which I loved and played through several times. But. You sheeps are terrible. We are not talking about the game itself, only the graphics, which, you do not tell me was better in the original just because you want to belong to somewhere, to the sheeps :D Even if the graphic is not Blizzard level here either.
@Grivian4 жыл бұрын
The reforged one looks like a parody of an anime battle
@OceanHedgehog4 жыл бұрын
The weapons in the new cutscene are too bulky - it's because they were going for the WoW aesthetic even though the WoW weapons look like that partially because of engine limitations. But by having Frostmourne look so thick that it's practically a club (compare how it looks here with the WoTLK trailer) and Illidain's glaives looking similarly fat, its a huge contributing factor to the scene looking clunky.
@JH-zs6vh4 жыл бұрын
PresidentWordSalad The swords in general have the same aesthetic as BFA’s swords, the footmen weapons look like plastic or those balloon swords you get from a stinky renaissance fair.
@K4lr0b4 жыл бұрын
Also the armor is way too bulky. But still the old fight was so much faster and looked real.
@AOTLTng4 жыл бұрын
I fully agree
@giovannitorres93374 жыл бұрын
Its also that Illidan is much more massive than Arthas. Nelfs are tall, but not giants. Why the fight looks so clunky as well because Illidan’s meant to be the fast and agile one, cannot really have that if Illidans a fucken big ass brute.
@dantefromdevilmaycry98574 жыл бұрын
2018 Me: All they have to do is copy and paste, and make it look better... (I thought how could they even screw it up?) 2020 Me: Aaaand they did it, they found a way to somehow screw it up!
@someorclad97384 жыл бұрын
That level of incompetence is stunningly stupid. Makes you wanna use that silver instead of good ol' steel eh, sir Witcher.
@TheCrimsonElite6664 жыл бұрын
Geraldo, save us from this meme hell!
@thvl20184 жыл бұрын
The garbage level has upgraded every year ngl
@MrZomfgasauras4 жыл бұрын
Leave it to blizzard to screw up a (If it ain't broke, don't fix it) game with a remastered version. I wouldn't be surprised to see them remaster Lost Vikings and screw it up like a botched plastic surgery that makes you look like a 28 year old lizard.
@dantefromdevilmaycry98574 жыл бұрын
@@MrZomfgasauras Bill Burr... is that you?
@Mallador-ed4eq4 жыл бұрын
Ah, Yes. A ten thousand-year-old demon-boosted ninja elf with superpowers swing two blades in the way an orc grunt would swing two axes... in slow motion.
@kamchatmonk4 жыл бұрын
Well, all of that pompous stuff only gets in the way. Hooves slide on ice, they're impractical for a bipedal creature, wings get in the way and they're a big target, warglaives have center mass in your hand so you can't add the weapon's weight to the swing, plus Illidan has no armor. His battlegear is all looks, but he still can't impress Tyrande)
@Mallador-ed4eq4 жыл бұрын
kamchatmonk yep. The only redeeming quality in this fight for him is supposed to be martial arts, fel, and speed. But this shows almost non of those skills. But Arthas, who has more armor, still can’t beat this big dumb animal. He looks like a drunk meth addict and fights like one too, so I guess I didn’t expect much more.
@abhabh68964 жыл бұрын
@@Mallador-ed4eq They should have made him like necromancer from Diablo II but they gave him a very ugly face, his face should have only been slightly discolored, nothing more.
@quanghaho25303 жыл бұрын
the first part of your comment states his problem.... "ten thousand-year-old".... if only he was 1000 years younger :( lol
@Brett779023 жыл бұрын
kamchatmonk wings get in the way as much as your off arm would. It’s a part of your body and you’d be able to move it accordingly, the ability to fly gives him a large advantage. He has demonic powers, I don’t think he’s exactly concerned about hooves sliding on ice. I mean he has magic. Also been fighting literal demons with their own insane powers, I don’t think using the weight of a sword in his swing vs a glaive makes that much of a difference at that point. Pretty sure he could rip Arthas in half with his bare hands, let alone his ridiculous speed. Illidan one of the baddest mofos out there, don’t hate on the mans just cause they let Arthas take him out for the plot
@Mooncat254 жыл бұрын
Original: Illidan's ultimate was probably still in cool down, or there was simply no time for him to transform. It is fine. Reforged: WTF USE YOUR RANGED ATTACK SINCE YOU HAVE ALREADY TRANSFORMED!
@imadeus_ww4 жыл бұрын
It's simple : Illidan did not have proper control over his demonic form, which is why it acted straight and dumb. Which is why he retreated to Draenor ruins, to learn his own dark side, take control of it and help the ones in need to do the same. Power means nothing if you cant control it.
@gracefuldice19564 жыл бұрын
@@imadeus_ww Where the heck did you get that idea? We can see in Illidan's missions that he uses his demonic form successfully. He wins a fight against two infernals. Illidan is definitely more powerful by a lot If we study them and use logic, so Arthas winning this makes no sense. I wish they made Arthas win in a way that would make sense. For example, he could set a trap for Illidan- Anuburak could hide under the snow and Arthas would fight, slowly retreating, to lure Illidan and Anuburak would suddenly come out behind Illidan, stabbing him in the back, which would give Arthas the window to finish him off with Frostmourne. That would make a lot of sense and it would be much more interesting. So Arthas should have won by outsmarting his opponent, rather than outpowering him which is bullshit.
@imadeus_ww4 жыл бұрын
@@gracefuldice1956 : No, Arthas cant just one-slash-win this fight Arthas: Haha, Frostmourne goes whoosh
@gracefuldice19564 жыл бұрын
@@imadeus_ww OK, whatever it takes to win. That's what he should have done. Summon 50 infernals or something like that. That's exactly my point.
@imadeus_ww4 жыл бұрын
@@gracefuldice1956 POV: This just happened this way. Let's just wait if Sylvanas gonna get enough POWAH to rewind universe to the moment when things gone wrong and change it.
@hieloz3 жыл бұрын
"You lied to your players and betrayed the Devs that work for you" . What's happening to you Activision?.... -Muradin Bronzebeard.
@boskoboskovic13063 жыл бұрын
"Is profits all that matters to you?" Muradin Bronzebeard
@ms.yawhaw88313 жыл бұрын
FOR THE BRONZEBEARED
@snappycenter78633 жыл бұрын
Activision: Spare me Muradin. You weren't there to see what a rack my newest employee has.
@itsmezaam39013 жыл бұрын
For the Gold !!!!! ~ Thrall
@stefangorodetsky6124 ай бұрын
When used to be Blizzard 😭😭😭
@MaiHand4 жыл бұрын
old one- stylized, quick paced, straight to the point but fully understandable reforged- long, needlesly choreographed, looks like lazy claymation
@gerardlacroix60154 жыл бұрын
Old one - Simple but effective soundtrack and sound design, which adds to the dynamic of the scene. Reforged - Trying to go back to that Wotlk intro cinematic, failling, leaving a fight scene with a barely present music...
@MaiHand4 жыл бұрын
@@gerardlacroix6015 yes a more indepth version of what i said, include that the animations of Reforged looks about par with the old one, which is really not great considering the time gap
@theguiltypaytheprice.48994 жыл бұрын
Do not insult claymation! It is much worse then it. Atleast claymation has its charm, the reforged animation looks more like a cheap chinese knock-off
@MaiHand4 жыл бұрын
@@theguiltypaytheprice.4899 im not insulting claymation, i like claymation but like verything else there is such a thing as bad claymation and that is what the movement in the cinematic reminded me of
@zerlichr4264 жыл бұрын
also arthas 3:35 didn't cut off Illidans dick and we know it's canon version
@senateop96804 жыл бұрын
I am saying this as someone who is studying animation and Vfx- The newer animation is so dull and lifeless, there are almost no emotions portrayed on those faces. Also the lack of any soundtracks/ost is a huge minus. The old one, while outdated, is a lot more lively and CONSISTENT. The main difference is the consistence in each cutscene. In the remake, their moves are inconsistent, sometimes they swing faster or slower, there is no impact felt when their blades cross but their BODY LANGUAGE suggests nothing, as to why this inconsistency occurs. The old one is all high phased, even anime like, perfectly comfortable with its choreorgaphy and feeling
@jewii38244 жыл бұрын
I completely and utterly agree with you. However, if they made these animations for all the cut scenes, I doubt as many people would be complaining.
@O1OO1O14 жыл бұрын
So you're saying WC 2020 is like playing Fire Emblem Three Houses?
@Sonlirain4 жыл бұрын
No/dampened emotions on their faces is even kinda canon friendly. Arthas is almost an empty shell at that point and illidan is a demon hunter who sacrificed nearly everything he had for power. Now the rest of the cutscene...
@tylerulfmann45864 жыл бұрын
Senate OP for me the biggest problem was the sluggishness of the fight for the new cutscene these are two powerful beings one a demon hunter amped by fel magic the other a death knight with a blade that destroyed entire armies and they move like they are mud up to their knees with strikes that make it seem like they are throwing heavy dumbbells around instead of precise light weaponry
@senateop96804 жыл бұрын
@@tylerulfmann4586 that too
@lastkisswow24334 жыл бұрын
Truth be told fan made machinimas stand on higher level. Even putting music into this was too much for Blizzard
@bigbud68424 жыл бұрын
Yeah that seems like a really strange choice. I think they wanted to really show off their fancy sword sound effects
@yellowbeard14 жыл бұрын
Check out a series called Astartes, it’s a fan made series of videos about Warhammer 40K space marines and it’s so much better then the Reforged cutscenes
@felmargego25344 жыл бұрын
JoseBV did a better job than Blizzard at reanimating cutscenes.
@MattBG673 жыл бұрын
For the 2020 they could have at least made Arthas a bit more fluid and not so stumpy, it makes you wonder how it's physically possible for him to beat Illidan when he looks almost paralyzed.
@StevieMark-dn5sd4 жыл бұрын
No love was put into this “remaster”. Blizzard has a brilliant track record when it comes to cinematic clips. TF was this
@Jesus-wp7dg4 жыл бұрын
This wasn't made by Blizzard. It was some Malaysian company that was put in charge of the art production for Reforged
@xAugustx114 жыл бұрын
The Shinoobi and who made the call to put them in charge? Who paid them to do it? Blizzard. This is a blizzard product.
@Jesus-wp7dg4 жыл бұрын
Ridley Um no it’s not? They weren’t the ones who produced it so it isn’t their product. Sure, it’s their fault for trusting the company but that’s about it. It’s just that everybody loves to bitch and complain over things they have no control over. If you want to hate on the devs, thats fine by me. Just hate on the right people and don’t sound like a toddler doing it
@onetheother92704 жыл бұрын
@@Jesus-wp7dg, fr?
@ScrewY0UguyS4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen any expensive cinematic that wasn’t shown during their marketing campaign? That’s right.
@priotesecosmin59234 жыл бұрын
This is just sad. Mangling a classic for a quick cash-grab? At least make it a cash-grab that lets players create their own damn maps (without calling it your "intellectual propriety").
@dtczyk89764 жыл бұрын
lol but it is their intellectual property. Gamers are so entitled, even to other people's assets.
@ChuckPickle4 жыл бұрын
@@dtczyk8976 imagine using photoshop and then having adobe claim whatever you made because you used their toolset that you payed for.
@priotesecosmin59234 жыл бұрын
@@dtczyk8976 Like Fumoma said. You are not getting it, are you? Imagine writing a whole doctoral thesis in Word or PowerPoint and Microsoft comes in saying that the entire thing is theirs now. Imagine spending years making a game in, let's say, the Unreal engine. Well, it's not your game, right? It belongs to Epic. You did use assets from their engine, didn't you?
@Rubinrus4 жыл бұрын
@@dtczyk8976 it also means that they cannot allow some maps into a public multiplayer.
@punalmanalan23464 жыл бұрын
@@dtczyk8976 You are hypocrite....
@Flaeren4 жыл бұрын
18 years later, and they still managed to make the most iconic fight in the franchise look underwhelming and lame.
@Kspice90004 жыл бұрын
Love how their weapons are weightless yet they still swing like drunk slogs. Reminds me of of Randy vs Towlie in this last season of South park.
@Keyce00134 жыл бұрын
To be somewhat fair to Arthas, he's one of the undead before the campaign even begins. He can't even feel the chill cold of Northrend, let alone the weight of his armor and sword.
@robertushaposan20484 жыл бұрын
Even cartman vs midget far better than reforged arthas vs illidan
@rist984 жыл бұрын
The importance of good audio and use of music is hugely clear in this.
@TheBeansChopper2 жыл бұрын
You'd think someone would actually post-edit music into this or something, but apparently there wasn't even enough time left for the Malaysian audio engineer to give it a look lmao
@alexisguillen84004 жыл бұрын
This felt like one of those dream fights where you can't put strength in your punches. The first time I got that cinematic I felt it was bland, and now I don't.
@iamotaru4 жыл бұрын
Most boring interaction and fights ever seen They are supposed to be masters of their own weapon but in this fight, its like kids wielding sticks
@mattieg37084 жыл бұрын
Masters of their own weapons and some of the most powerful beings in WC3. Illidan is hyped up to be stronger than any of Archimondes lackeys while Arthas is empowered by Lich King, so you would of expected some anime like battle but nope.
@alanolympus23994 жыл бұрын
Some of the most powerfull beings, but i could 1v2 both of them with just my fists if they were to fight like that
@thefiresworddragon9274 жыл бұрын
iamotaru Hah. Guess the community has fallen. They are willing to bastardise their own love to yell at a remake of that very love.
@YorenSt4 жыл бұрын
2:41 That's one hell of a landing. Consider how high he must have jumped in full armor. Arthas should have used his super human jumping abilities more often.
@Lorfo114 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Death Knights had that kind of super human strength/abilities. After all, they are infused with powerfull death magic. But even with that, that kind of landing is plain bullshit "Anime Landing".
@kittydaddy2023 Жыл бұрын
that was his weak jump
@datooo234 жыл бұрын
Even though the old fight-scene is shorter, the whole scene is more dynamic and the physics look more realistic - the impact of the weapons smashing into each other is much more pronounced and can be felt to another degree.
@katamas8324 жыл бұрын
Everything I could find wrong with this cutscene: 0:53 Illidan lands crouching slightly, but at 0:55 he only straightens his back, and gets into an awkward position 1:22 Too long of a run, either have him closer or cut to him already near Illidan 1:25 Zero, and I mean ZERO weight behind everything, it feels like the weapons are made out of plastic, no, more like paper, just more solid. These are superhuman beings figthting with oversized swords, yet it's like me and the boys fighting with plastic swords. 1:32 Frostmourne gets launched back straight, but somehow starts rotating sideways? And the blade shifts to the left for a moment, which makes no sense. 1:43 Illidan parries Frostmourne, a heavy long sword with extra bulkiness because Fantasy like it's a plastic sword with his equally heavy warblade like it's a plastic sword used by a skinny guy. What happened there shouldn't be possible 1:45 Watch that in slow motion. Arthas is sliding back, on ONE AXIS. He's moving backwards standing still. That's something even an amateur animator wouldn't do unless the camera angle masks it away, but here, it doesn't. 1:52 Slow motion, and then Arthas' head suddenly shifts. Such a move would break your neck 2:32 What the hell is that position? These are so obvious and easy to improve, for a Triple A company, putting out something like this is disgraceful. I was considering returning to WoW with Shadowlands, but seeing how Reforge turned out, I'll rather put my money else where.
@Aztonio4 жыл бұрын
Cool analysis...but wtf does this have to do with WoW ? xD
@katamas8324 жыл бұрын
@@Aztonio Just seeing how much care was put into this, I wouldn't have expected any quality into Shadowlands. Fortunately I was proven wrong with Torghast.
@xsardes3364 жыл бұрын
@@katamas832 are you sure abaut that...in these 2 months they managed to ruin thorgast and add 5 or something like that LGBT charactets out of ass. Where the fuck is refund option for preorder?
@Jesus-wp7dg4 жыл бұрын
@@katamas832 A little late but the cinematic wasn't made by Blizzard. It was made by Lemon Sky Studios, which is the company that was in charge of remaking the assets and animations for Reforged
@Nicolas_hr4 жыл бұрын
@@Jesus-wp7dg But Blizzard said yes to this crap, don't try to tell us that this isn't their fault
@rivv89094 жыл бұрын
That smile at 1:02 makes me cringe, it's like when you raise facial animations by 200%
@asmrchannel96224 жыл бұрын
It's like when you don't drop Invincible
@meris84864 жыл бұрын
I half thought he was gonna say 'nothin personnel kid'
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The facial animations suck bad. But the rest is not that terrible as sheeps are sheeping about for likes.
@meris84864 жыл бұрын
@@HunGerMovies It's not terrible, but it should be amazing this is Blizzard we're talking about they have a very high standard for cinematics that they didn't hit
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
@@meris8486 That is true, but I was referring to comments which claim that the original ingame cinematics is better, and Arthas looks like a drunk here, when he pretty much looks like on the original cover of The frozen throne expansion lol. Except for the facial expressions, that is kinda cringe.
@manofhonor16854 жыл бұрын
Arthas looks so weird and dopey when he does that little smile before he charges. He legit looks like he has downs 1:00
@eafesaf69344 жыл бұрын
Maybe a reference to the entire team
@JrKengu4 жыл бұрын
@@eafesaf6934 LMFAO
@punkrockloser74 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, like wtf was that grin.
@manofhonor16854 жыл бұрын
@@eafesaf6934 I feel like they intentionally put that in there. Could you imagine how hard they're laughing when they put that in there. Just wheezing and cackling so hard they almost pass out and cant believe people are actually buying it
@mba60313 жыл бұрын
@@eafesaf6934 11 months late but I'M DEAD LMFAOO
@MrFiremagnet4 жыл бұрын
Before: fast paced and stylish, every single move is clear and readable. Now: slow and clunky, can't even see half of their moves.
@Gebirges4 жыл бұрын
That's how real armored guys move, slowly. But yes, the weapon swings were too slow.
@PommelKnight4 жыл бұрын
@@Gebirges No it's not. Armoured knight were quite fast. Search for Knight running on YT.
@panareasy67494 жыл бұрын
@MrFiremagnet the two cutscene was bad but the old one had a reason (lack of time and money) the second haven't any reason
@arvidtonning63484 жыл бұрын
Gebirges armored guys? That’s a really bad excuse. We’re talking about Arthas Menethil wielding Frostmourne. Moving around is not an issue for him...
@Needler134 жыл бұрын
@@Gebirges lol no it isn't. Plate wearing people have a lot of moveable joints so they were pretty agile.
@tedhodge48304 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, they even managed to ruin the one cutscenes they reimagined. That is so corny, lol.
@Amiko_Ami124 жыл бұрын
@Gula Valenzuela ahh yes the classic excuse of: "Try doing it yourself and you'll se how hard it is! Like, just no. I don't need to be a Baker to say that this bread is bad. Just like how i don't need to be an animator to say that the animation is bad.
@Amiko_Ami124 жыл бұрын
@Gula Valenzuela But the thing that's still bs argument, like why do i need to become an animator to say that animation is bad, i don't need to become a baker to say that this bread is shit.
@7dayspking4 жыл бұрын
@@Amiko_Ami12 He didn't say the bread was bad. He insulted the baker, he said "how could the baker fuck that up, what a fucking idiot". When you insult the fucking baker, you better be able to bake some fine fucking bread.
@Bleza_2jz4 жыл бұрын
@Gula Valenzuela nah mate, when you said "you try animating and see how far you get" and "reforged is still in beta tbh" you're just defending a product by deflection. Reforged is not a beta and you saying it's because developers/animators did not have enough time to polish it doesn't make it a beta, you're making it your opinion to say that it's a beta which is a pretty damn stupid way to defend a game. And what's the point of asking the other person to animate and see how far/better they can do than Blizzard? You're deflecting. I don't need to be a better developer/animator to criticize how bad they screwed this up just as how I don't need to be a car mechanic to know some dude fucked up their car's engine. Your logic of "I should be able to do better at those areas before criticising" is stupid. We can clearly see how bad the game is and we - the target consumer for this product - can damn well criticize how bad Blizzard and the outsourced developers handled WC3 "refunded".
@Bleza_2jz4 жыл бұрын
@@Coralysis2390 what's funny is that the fan-made recreations are pretty god tier compared to reforged lol
@dnb8884 жыл бұрын
I remember the days when Blizzard released bleeding edge jaw dropping cinematics.
@jaimegutier273 Жыл бұрын
That's right. They have no excuse this time other than to just being lazy and cheap.
@Chris-rj6vh4 жыл бұрын
0:00 Arthas: It's time to end the game, once and for all Blizzard: *proceeds to end the game horribly"
@thefiresworddragon9274 жыл бұрын
ChrysZxc EksDiPeyMousZxc What, were you expecting them to change the ending of a remaster?
@thefiresworddragon9274 жыл бұрын
Julio Cesar And destroyed the lore? No thanks. It would have truly ruined it.
@thefiresworddragon9274 жыл бұрын
Julio Cesar I'm done. You fuckers haven't changed one bit. Apparently, APPARENTLY, the best way to make a fight scene, is make it last 1 seconds and have a clear and defined winner right from the start, and put zero effort into animation. Sounds like bullshit flash animation. Whatever. I know the remastered fight is better, and you all are just being toxic idiots. Didn't you all say Warcraft 3 was far better than World of Warcraft? And, besides, isn't the point of a REMASTER supposed to mean you UPDATE THE GRAPHICS AND ANIMATION AND NOTHING ELSE!?
@waterpear59804 жыл бұрын
@@thefiresworddragon927 First off I hope you realize he didn't talk about the lore and stated the remaster looked like shit. And if you think that current WoW lore is good, think twice about being a true WC fan and oldgen.
@waterpear59804 жыл бұрын
@@thefiresworddragon927 Second off, this remastered cinematic was pure bullshit with uneeded pauses and details.
@unknowndane47544 жыл бұрын
It feels really off the way they swing their weapons around. EDIT: It's already really weird how blue his tattoos are at least imo.
@ivanmarinkovic96814 жыл бұрын
And they are supposed to be green xD
@ivanmarinkovic96814 жыл бұрын
Honestly i feel that illidan is much better fighter then they showed it here but oh well
@mail1236194 жыл бұрын
@@ivanmarinkovic9681 yeah illidan is a fucking joke in the new one he doesn't even hit Arthas once and fails like a bitch
@Dece1324 жыл бұрын
he's punching with this double bladed swords lol
@robertushaposan20484 жыл бұрын
@@ivanmarinkovic9681 both are better fighter than this new cinematics shows us. It bothers me that illidan growls like in pain when he use metamorph, but in legion he use it easly.
@12345Granada4 жыл бұрын
Jesus, someone at blizzard really likes the power slides.
@epicaccount90364 жыл бұрын
Illidan: trained demon hunter and spent hundreds of years mastering the warglaives, yet still has no concept of attacking at different angles with both or slashing arthas when blocking an attack with 1 of them
@dizzyheads4 жыл бұрын
I bet they got lazy in the end by making Illidan transform so they don't need to animate him raising his hand with the blade..
@epicaccount90364 жыл бұрын
@@dizzyheads im preety sure the transformation took more work than the blades
@joseacevedo91174 жыл бұрын
Plot armor destroys all lmao
@PapiDeHusky4 жыл бұрын
the old one is much better you can see illidan is struggling on defense when arthas attack him which make it unable for him to attack using his other blade new one makes 0 sense
@christiancinnabars14024 жыл бұрын
PapiDeHusky Exactly. In the old one, Illidan had to use his right arm to keep himself from falling down. In the new one, Illidan has _nothing_ stopping him from slashing at Arthas when he parries, since he still has his center of balance.
@BLOrtega4 жыл бұрын
Warcraft 3: Reforged *2 drunkards doing roleplay* Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne *2 great warriors doing their best not to make a mistake*
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
another bullshiter who sat on the sheep wagon
@darwinwaterson39614 жыл бұрын
The only sheep here is you, buddy.
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
@@darwinwaterson3961 Sheeps are many, I am alone, you are many:D Who says that WC3 original cinematics was epic, and this is shit , well, that is a huge like whore sheep on the wagon :D Facial expression sucked but Arthas looks like almost exactly as on the original game cover :D sheeps
@tom4fun3914 жыл бұрын
@@HunGerMovies doesnt change the fact that reforged is shit
@HunGerMovies4 жыл бұрын
@Julio Cesar Here comes the "I and my buddies" dude :D Name all of the people agreeing with you pls. I feel like you are alone, and you wanna belong to a group, that is the only reason you jumped on the hate blindly team with false reasoning :D I would not be in your shoes :D Pls contact me when you have your own opinion :D So agree with this statement: "Warcraft 3: Reforged 2 drunkards doing roleplay Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne 2 great warriors doing their best not to make a mistake" You agree that a two pixel WCIII animation was better than the new animated one :D Sure. I told it is nowhere near to Blizzard quality, but saying original Arthas vs Illidian fight was epic, and new is shit is utter bullshit from kids who feel alone :D
@cidravenclaw20134 жыл бұрын
They put more effort into smirking than an actual fight.
@CELMEY4 жыл бұрын
Old one: *actually try to hit each other, powerful hits, takes short time as all sword fights should, both combatants attempt to dodge and parry logically, everything is decided with a precise and decisive swing to a surprised, strategically backing enemy* New one: -nOtHiNg PeRsOnAl KiD
@dizzyheads4 жыл бұрын
It's literally just swords and blades hitting each other Like what you tend to do as a kid where you play with "swords" but don't actually hit each other
@filipgabriel12624 жыл бұрын
They're both shit, but the old one has an excuse for being shit
@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME4 жыл бұрын
Illidan: *mana burns behind you*
@7dayspking4 жыл бұрын
Actually I think the new one did all of the things you mentioned better. More convincing characters, better physics, better movement. Both are rubbish, neither resemble fighting, nothing logically happens in either. It's just that the first clearly had no professional choreography behind it and looks like something children come up with during lunch.
@Bleza_2jz4 жыл бұрын
@@7dayspking gonna have to disagree with you. I found lots of things wrong with the way the new scene was choreographed, and how every swing of their attacks bear no weight starting with Arthas' first attack. It's like he held frostmourne in front of him and just ran towards Illidan until the blades clashed. When frostmourne was thrown and Arthas casually turned his back to Illidan exposing him to a fatal attack and they just casually walked together until Arthas grab the sword? And during the slow motion when Arthas slid, his head moved faster than his body sliding - his head movement has some sort of super speed? Those weren't better character, movement, physics nor was it a better choreography. While you think the original was rubbish, the scene at least looked like they were fighting for their lives. The dumb part where Illidan flew up? That was because Illidan was showing off as stated in the novel : “ 'Behold the Twin Blades of Azzinoth, ' Illidan gloated. He flew up higher, whirling the blades in his left and right hands..." The novel had the fight longer but they were emphasizing that Illidan was pretty cocky during the fight and Arthas saw an opening. And I know you basically said there's no point in analyzing the logic of the fight but if that was always the case then we'd be seeing a lot of half-assed pathetic fight scenes from prior blizzard cutscenes and cinematics.
@kingsan31624 жыл бұрын
6:30 most epic gaming scene ever
@jacker21104 жыл бұрын
this is for Spanish people: "SOY ADMIN"
@Pepo1-374 жыл бұрын
@@jacker2110 XD
@quincho69494 жыл бұрын
SOY --admin-- OWNER
@waleedali21574 жыл бұрын
At least the old version had some music going on, reforged just seems so bland
@TheFlyingPilgrim4 жыл бұрын
I sort of like that it that it doesn’t have music in there. But the whole thing lacked weight.
@Sintakhra4 жыл бұрын
Flying Pilgrim I felt the opposite. I felt it had too much weight. Everything felt sluggish when these are meant to be two deliberately overpowered beings. Illidan is a demon empowered elf, he should be fast, graceful, lethal. Arthas is a warrior who has been empowered by the scourge and whose close proximity to the Lich King is undoubtedly strengthening him despite the Lich Kings current weakness.
@JB-xl2jc4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they both are practically demigods by this point, but they’re stumbling around like clumsy novices. There’s weightiness but... There’s no POWER behind the weightiness, it’s more like clumsiness. Seriously looks like a low to mid tier KZbin machinima creation.
@MaMastoast4 жыл бұрын
@@Sintakhra By lacking weight I think OP ment lacking impact and momentum... When they move they behave as if their movements carry no force behind them... This is also why it feels sluggish and slow
@Sintakhra4 жыл бұрын
@@MaMastoast Nah, I got what he was referring to :) It lacked the emotional pull, the sense of desperation and determination as one usually reserves for essentially the penultimate cutscene in a game.
@Rain-qn5mj4 жыл бұрын
Me: *starts the game* Also me: "It's time to end the game"
@theoroborous70773 жыл бұрын
That is why folks. Never try to catch the blade of a knife with your palms.
@imran88804 жыл бұрын
If Illidan was already in front of Arthas, why would he suddenly disappeared and reappeared in the new cutscene. While the old one, they just cut right into the tension and just started off with Arthas' unholy aura buffed sprint. Which is much better obviously.
@Ryuksgelus4 жыл бұрын
I love how Arthas dodges a slash before Illidan even starts swinging.
@MrBeful4 жыл бұрын
0:15 he doesnt even look to arthas
@thecommentguy93804 жыл бұрын
He's blind what do you expect
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
hehe
@penetratorhagibator90674 жыл бұрын
It's a Vitaliy Klichko! Hahaha!)))
@thecommentguy93804 жыл бұрын
@@devourerofnuggets you didnt get the joke did you
@thecommentguy93804 жыл бұрын
@@devourerofnuggets oh I get your joke but its a bad joke
@darzeon4 жыл бұрын
Wow and warcraft lore died with Arthas, you can't change my mind
@Kinsoneed4 жыл бұрын
Man i miss ICC and the raids... If wow would still be at wrath i would go back...
@Syenthros4 жыл бұрын
@Ron 3 I thought they had *potential* with Cataclysm, as Deathwing had been a villain I'd wanted to see again since Warcraft 2... But then they had him beaten by Green Jesus using the only weapon in all of WoW Lore that literally should be incapable of harming Deathwing.
@Zgmflegend4 жыл бұрын
@Ron 3 Wrong. Wotlk turned Arthas/Ner'zhul in a cliché villain....
@megyskermike4 жыл бұрын
Sad, but true, I miss those days ~ resubbing is like checking in on a best friend who become a drug addict years ago.
@glanni3 жыл бұрын
TBC had ruined Illidan and Kael'thas already tho.
@ThePirateSurfer4 жыл бұрын
Ilidan powers up metamorphosis, 'oh wait I can't throw green flames? Why did I drop my weapons???'
@kittydaddy2023 Жыл бұрын
global cooldown
@EkattPalladium4 жыл бұрын
I really feel that the new cinematic is a bit off. There is not as much "strengh" and "impacts" in their fight... I don't know how to say it. They kinda look like they're faking it. I mean, look at 1:44 in slow-mo, what just happen to Arthas did he just slided back without even being touched ?
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
Another reason why I said it looks like stop-motion
@EkattPalladium4 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis Yeah that's so strange. It looks unfinished
@jameswalton57334 жыл бұрын
holy shit youre right about that, they literally just fucking slid his character model back on a axis, they didnt even make him flinch what the fuck...... As someone who has worked on games, i can tell you either the devs didnt want to do this, or they did want to do it but were so crunched for time they had to rush everything to meet a deadline instead of actually making it great which takes time and money, and with the way the graphics are going, a lot of money to make it not look like a crappy sfm model
@7jc1rr94 жыл бұрын
And besides animation problems. The fight itself is dull. Arthas is in full plate armor and we know he isn't very fast when he is wearing it (logical, and he doesn't need to because he is a tank) and yet when he loses grip of the sword he manages to run back and get it without getting a single cut from Illidan (one of the fastest warriors in history who is wearing very light armor). Couldn't take the fight seriously after that.
@xXN0cturnXx4 жыл бұрын
it looks like cosplayers fighting each other
@xXN0cturnXx4 жыл бұрын
Always remember: When you face a duel wilding enemy and he disarms you, just turn your back to him and go grab your sword, it is def. going to work...as long as god gave ya plot armor. :D
@KKKuma4 жыл бұрын
He has good armor for sure. Illidan was just naked so he get 1 shotted.
@xXN0cturnXx4 жыл бұрын
@@KKKuma i dont think u got it...
@inkheart48664 жыл бұрын
A good and creative dev team would have animated Arthas using something like Death Grip to snatch his sword in the nick of time, maybe even using a spell like Howling Blast to put some space between him and Illidan... A bad and lazy dev team goes for ye olde plot armor!
@robertushaposan20484 жыл бұрын
Also when you already sliced, just turn your back and drop your two bladed weird sword and growls painfully. You will got extra smoke in your body and fly. Ignore the enemy, you protected by blizzard plot armor 😈
@DarkTider4 жыл бұрын
Compare to Garrosh Vs Taran zu. Disarmed? Punch him on the face!
@Moshthun4 жыл бұрын
Just had to include that roast against Kael, didn't you?
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
:D Pure accident
@felmargego25344 жыл бұрын
That scene sounded straight out of a freaking soap opera. It has the same energy as the scene where two female characters fight over a guy.
@linusji17323 жыл бұрын
The new one looks like 2 toy figures fighting each other
@nezihlevent13334 жыл бұрын
Illidan It is over I have the high ground! Arthas: You underestimate my power!
@65firered4 жыл бұрын
It looks really slow, not much impact and weight to blows, and the sound is quite poor. How did they screw this up?
@bigbumboyo4 жыл бұрын
Money...
@65firered4 жыл бұрын
@@bigbumboyo That would be the why.
@bigbumboyo4 жыл бұрын
@@65firered Absolutely, I just don't what happened to Blizzard, it's a shame. They used to be a great company.
@65firered4 жыл бұрын
@@bigbumboyo Greed seems to be the downfall of many industry titans in recent years, Bethesda, Rockstar, Bioware just to name a few.
@m16dude9674 жыл бұрын
Asset flip
@binary11234 жыл бұрын
If you told me it was made by an amateur who’s starting off, I’d believe it, this was a whole dev team!
@Krelian894 жыл бұрын
When you outsource your product normally you get shitty quality
@TheHappyCatsTail4 жыл бұрын
@@Krelian89 thats not necessarily true there has been a few cases where outsourcing has resulted in great quality. its rare though. but this is not one of those times, like..... at all lmfao. i hope for their sake that the people behind this shit learn from their mistakes and get better. or maybe they dont actually give a fuck and they are just their to earn a buck which seems more likely. zero love when into this "remake"
@pizzathief80024 жыл бұрын
thats what u get from underpaid and overworked devs
@mohdrosniezam87794 жыл бұрын
@@TheHappyCatsTail "few" .-.
@ashkebora72624 жыл бұрын
@@Krelian89 Unless you're Bethesda. Then outsourcing is the only way you make a good game these days... (ESO was farmed out to Korea or similar. That's why it's the only multiplayer Bethesda game that actually works.)
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
Is the new cutscene done in stop-motion? It genuinely looks that way to me :)
@Mystra4 жыл бұрын
Bugmotion, get yours today, wallmart 3.99 special offer
@wilfredchuan44804 жыл бұрын
@K according to wiki “On February 14, 2003, Blizzard announced the first beta test for the game” Likely around 2002,the scene was done.Plus I cleared campaign around 8 to 10 times and I don’t remember when is the exact year ROC or TFT came out, cause I first played it around 2010.
@LeriHunter4 жыл бұрын
@K More like mixing Skyrim and Dragonborn.
@geraltnroach4 жыл бұрын
It looks like they not swing their weapon to fight 😁
@svetoslavzhelev7224 жыл бұрын
Looks like it was made in SFM..
@iYehuk4 жыл бұрын
Arthas in the old one looked way more powerful than Illidan.
@sasca8543 жыл бұрын
He was. Right before the fight, the Lich King tells Arthas that he's going to give him the rest of his power in a last-ditch effort to make sure Arthas beats Illidan and gets to the throne before it's too late.
@Brett779023 жыл бұрын
@@sasca854 well from what ive heard, in the actual lore Illidan beats the shit out of Arthas. Which makes a lot more sense then the other way around. Arthas wins with a sucker punch, using a moment of opportunity, rather than outright force. IMO based on the 2 characters, Arthas, specifically at this moment before doning the helm, had not but a glimmer of power in comparison to Illidan
@Dadoslaw3 жыл бұрын
@@Brett77902 true that
@thahoule79242 жыл бұрын
@@Brett77902 thats true. in the book that describes the fight more detailed than the short clip shown in WC3, Illidan beats the crap out of Arthas. Illidan at that point is incredibly powerful, and while Arthas got the power backup from the Lich King, the Lich King was extremely weak at that point, because all his power flowed out of the rift in the Frozen Throne. So Illidan was basically beating and burning Arthas, but when he allowed himself to get too close to finish him off, Frostmourne basically acted on its own for a moment and made an otherwise impossible strike to kill Illidan when he didnt expect it anymore. Illidan survived, but the blade saved Arthas, and thus its master the Lich King himself.
@autumnleaves12134 жыл бұрын
Wow. I remember thinking that this cutscene was bad back in the day. How is it possible that, graphics aside, everything else is objectively worse in a remaster 18 years later? Achieving this takes some real talent.
@ViralJiaji4 жыл бұрын
It's so sad - the original wasn't even a cinematic, it was made useing game engine, so it looked rather... bad visually. But it had it's soul. The new one - just nothing. And that Illida's "demon form" - what for?? To show how "strong" is Arthas?
@arfirik4 жыл бұрын
Wasnt even bad considering the year it came out.
@7dayspking4 жыл бұрын
The original was a cinematic, it wasn't 'held back' they just didn't have the time, resources or effort to go above and beyond and make a true cinematic.
@7dayspking4 жыл бұрын
@@arfirik A lot better stuff in 2002 than that.
@Jesus-wp7dg4 жыл бұрын
@@7dayspking It wasn't a cinematic tho. Cinematics are supposed to be detailed like the original Warcraft 3 trailer . This was merely a cutscene, which is why it used in-game assets.
@7dayspking4 жыл бұрын
@@Jesus-wp7dg You're right, it's much lower quality than a cinematic.
@KuddlesbergTheFirst4 жыл бұрын
He let Arthas pick up that sword? Arthas could have just grown impatient, impaling or castrating Illidan with frost spikes?
@Janx144 жыл бұрын
Its honestly my least favorite part of the cutscene. He has Arthas so dead to rights and the camera just moves in a way to hide the fact illidan had to just stand there and stare at him. The rest is poorly animated yeah, but thats just such a huge logic fail. Also, metamorphosis is just so weird on illidan, given that he's already a big demon boi. He traded his weapons for what? Being black and shadowy? Frostmourne just cleaved through it anyway. I know when I played it back in 2002, I was disapointed that Illidan wasn't given a different ultimate.
@Yenneffer4 жыл бұрын
This is always a sad scene for any Illidan fangirl, old graphics or new.
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
Yennefer is an Illidan fangirl?! Guess it makes some sense
@Yenneffer4 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis I HAVE SACRIFICED EVERYTHING! WHAT HAVE YOU GIVEN?
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
@@Yenneffer hah, actually works for Yen's case!
@Yenneffer4 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis Especially show Yen, lol.
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
@@Yenneffer indeed, it's what I had in mind ;]
@elnickramos15464 жыл бұрын
"It must be done!" it's like Illidan knows he's got no chance against Arthas.
@Dread5134 жыл бұрын
He's too much confident after getting his wings and horns
@elnickramos15464 жыл бұрын
@@Dread513 still, he isn't a dreadlord like you eh? HAHA
@Wepospalient3 жыл бұрын
During the remaster I kept having to ask, "is this real? this isnt fan made?" It feels like a fan made animation, but not in a good way, in the "well uh... you tried I guess?" sort of way.
@kekero5404 жыл бұрын
When the two e-boys on a discord server establish territory.
@astronautis16744 жыл бұрын
WTF why is Illidan looking away?! LMAO
@lastkisswow24334 жыл бұрын
He cant stand watching how lazy they remastered Arthas face wtfff
@astronautis16744 жыл бұрын
Also, the old one made more sense choreographically. Illidan jumped away to avoid arthas but arthas rushed and caught up to him. In the new one Illidan drops his weapon for no reason? and charges straight into frostmourne? god damn blizz
@Reidang4 жыл бұрын
he's blind, not deaf
@ijustreview4 жыл бұрын
I know this is not a serious question and it doesn't matter, but technically his magic-detecting energy eyes gives him 360° vision
@khatharos4 жыл бұрын
Can we all agree that this video shows how stupid warglaives are as a weapon? Poor Illidan had no chance to land a single blow because hands don't bend that way lol.
@Goldenleyend2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact there's 1 more swing in the original than in reforged. Really puts things into perspective considering the duration of each
@bayumahendra17973 жыл бұрын
The old one had fast paced and smooth movement, the new one like having 10fps in 4k
@Mathren14 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they got rid of the clashing noise from the original where the metal starts to do this sort of scraping whining sound. I always loved that about the fight. That and Arthas doing a sort of jump into his upward slash at 3:32 gives the animation a lot of power.
@ForsakenSanityGaming4 жыл бұрын
1:00 Arthas looks like burnt-out Brendan Fraser. Also the quality of these animations are about the same as a 5 year old playing with action figures.
@silenthero27954 жыл бұрын
2:35 Arthas just swung his weapon while running while in 3:32 he stopped his momentum to deliver a much stronger swing. How could the remaster eff'ed this up?
@tuanang78894 жыл бұрын
this looks like a crappy animation from a student with his best attempt. I can't even watch the full clip this is so painful.
@cerominho4 жыл бұрын
Nice observation.
@CopperD54 жыл бұрын
I hate that some of these modern day developers forget about the [POWER-OF-MUSIC], in video games
@wenigmehl4 жыл бұрын
"It is time to end this game... once and for all" - Blizzard
@robertlupa82734 жыл бұрын
Ironic.
@tomislavpoje21594 жыл бұрын
they actually managed to make this look worse than the old one. Illidan drops his weapons for no reason then goes Meta and then Arthas flies like a Superman and one shots him. let's not mention this clunky, lame animation that was done by some amateur when he was bored. fight in the book is still >>>>>> anything shown in the game.
4 жыл бұрын
he uses his ultimate skill metamorphosis which transform him into a monster that's why he dropped the weapon.
@imran88804 жыл бұрын
@ Yeah but, it's just too stiff and the action dropping them doesn't look like have any impact.
@dizzyheads4 жыл бұрын
@ I say it's just an excuse to not animate him using his weapons anymore It's it like he actually even used them in the fight
4 жыл бұрын
@@dizzyheads when he transforms himself into a devil, he uses his range attack and doesn't use that weapon anymore. so this action is okay for me
@adelaclos75084 жыл бұрын
Dont talk like a little arrogant asshole " done by some amateur " Its maybe lifeless but u can't say that shiiit
@yatogami55984 жыл бұрын
6:20 my fav music from warcraft 3
@delta729354 жыл бұрын
Oh yes! Sorry, I much prefer the original. I really find the graphics of the reforged not looking good at all. Exaggerated disproportion of characters and armor, terrain more than yuck, the characters are not beautiful at all (my god Arthas is disgusting, put the old one back quickly !!!). In addition, in the cutscene, I have the impression that they move in a "heavy" way. It's not fluid at all. In short, I stay on the original. A little brain? ; p
@johncedric7064 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or frostmourn handle extends? Look at 0:46 the grip looks like its for one handed use until he grips it at for two handed in 1:07 wtf blizzard
@Dave-82204 жыл бұрын
Illidan had the high ground! How could that be?!
@juniorpaiva13684 жыл бұрын
Rest in Piece Arthas, one of the Best Blizzard Characters ... RIP, we know your pain
@kikicruor4 жыл бұрын
2020 looks like a fan reimagining of the old one as a side project. good if it was a fan creation... but as official blizzard release...?
@igorthelight4 жыл бұрын
"Official" in quotes - they outsorced Reforged to some random Malaysian company.
@kikicruor4 жыл бұрын
@@igorthelight ah, that's interesting... but then this is still in collaboration so idk. thought maybe they (blizz) would watch the cinematic first to at least quality check it
@Taum10244 жыл бұрын
You know you seriously fork up when even with nostalgia goggle off, the old is still better...
@42Nightsyesterday4 жыл бұрын
0:09 Aaaaaaaaaand Illidan is not even facing the right direction Not even 10 seconds in and you already lost me
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
well he's blind :D
@eafesaf69344 жыл бұрын
@@xLetalis hahahaaa
@Teatsax4 жыл бұрын
18 years to make Illidan's defeat even more unbelievable. Good job Blizz.
@BattleF084 жыл бұрын
Other than the odd Claymation feel of the new version, the main thing it misses for me is some tense music to breathe some life into the fight.
@migueldemarque59834 жыл бұрын
*Frostmourne goes flying.* Arthas: *Normally runs to get it*
@apple67644 жыл бұрын
meanwhile illidan do not anything
@Suiguint0u4 жыл бұрын
What? That is it? No music, no... nothing?
@xLetalis4 жыл бұрын
that is it
@filipmous50214 жыл бұрын
A Death Knight raiding old TBC raids (Black Temple)
@Sarik04973 жыл бұрын
The sad thing about all of this is that the ones working on the remaster/reforged of the game truly wanted to make something great and beautiful, but Blizzard screwed them over by giving them such a short time to do it and a ridiculously low budget. I miss the time where Blizzard would outright cancel a game they spent 10+ years on and lose a lot of money, if they didn't deem its quality high enough (Ghost).