[XP12] THE FLICKER HELL IN XP12 (ENGLISH)

[@Jonas-xz7ee]

Thank you. I could not agree more. The shadows and every kind of edges and lines are just terrible. I am running XP12 in 2K and it's not much different than yours. I complained a lot about it in some discord channels and forums but nobody seems to care about it that much. For me it's a game breaker because specially in bright sunlight or in raining conditions the flimmering gets so worse that you are not able to recognize important parts of the environment. In the official X-Plane forum tnere is also a statement that antialiasing is simply kind of broken but there's no timeline to fix this. And this is not the only heavy flaw they have to fix. When I read the changelogs I got the feeling laminar doesn't even recognize XP12 is still in alpha state.

[@update72]

Thank you! I have the same problems. My opinion: X-Plane 12 is simply still at a stage that prohibits selling it as a release. It is and will remain a maximum beta for me! I'm sure it will take another year until everything fits.

[@efficient7x714]

Thank you for taking the time to address these issues! The artifacts, shadows, and anti-aliasing have been a source of frustration for me for some time now. It seems unreasonable to rely on a third-party application to rectify these problems. I sincerely hope that the developers are actively working on a solution, I am seriously considering reverting to X-plane 11 until these issues are resolved.

[@4secsharkmr352]

Thx. 100% agreed. I hate the flickering. Even I have so much aircrafts for XP12 now, I am about to delete XP12. I have one of those Uber PC's and XP12 performs like shit. Either in 2D or even worse in VR. I am really frustrated about how Laminar handles the things. They must improve that or they will loose customers.

[@BerndSchmitt-Martinique]

..... wieder ein echter KOSTA - der den Dingen auf den Grund geht..... und ich kann nur meinen Kommentar von gestern wiederholen : Das XPlane12 EXPERIMENT wird meiner Meinung nach gewaltig auf Grund laufen. Schade drum, aber viele von uns haben noch eine jahrelang aufgebaute, erweiterte und gepflegte XPlane11 Installation, die ist auch in 10 Jahren (dieses Wort ist neu: "hoffentlich" ) noch nutzbar. Vielen Dank fuer deine Sturheit - very appreciated.

[@mikezuger8622]

Wholeheartedly agree. The flickering drives me nuts. It is a dealbreaker. I will not purchase.

[@chrisadish]

Yes I'm going to delete 12 later. My mind is made up! Flew my 777 from London to jfk in xp11 yesterday. Still flawless, no crashes, new xenviro runs excellent. I still have winter seasons with it ans it looks exactly like 12. Until I hear of hot addons and fixes for 12, it's off my ssd , goodbye

[@prokopiu]

I already started to revive XP11 again. XP12 will stay and I will provide the community with more tests and Try&Flys but my heart is not in it.

[@07Cessna]

Danke für das tolle Video und Deine MÜhe. Ich ärgere mich auch sehr über XP12. Unfertig wurde es veröffentlicht. Hatte mir noch die schöne DashQ8 dafür gekauft und meine Geforce 1070 gegen eine AMD RX6700XT ausgetauscht. Aber der Frust über schlechte Frames und das Flimmern werden immer größer, weshalb ich kaum noch mit XP12 fliege. Seit PMDG seine Boeing Serie veröffentlicht hat bin ich fast nur noch im MSFS2020 umterwegs. Auch den Fenix A320 fliege ich da sehr gerne. Als Microsoft damals sagte, es würde keinen Nachfolger für den FSX mehr geben, war ich froh mit X plane einen guten Ersatz für meinen doch geliebten FSX gefunden zu haben. Nun können wir nur abzuwarten wie sich XP12 in den nächsten Monaten weiter entwickeln wird. Viele Grüße,

[@prokopiu]

Komplett mit dir hier! Ich bin froh dass ich nicht ein Ausnahmefall bin sondern wirklich einer von vielen mit den gleichen Problemen und Frustrationen. Ich will das XP12 gut wird, aber Laminar hat es uns noch nie so schwer gemacht wie mit XP12.

[@jankin880]

I don t fly X-plane 12 now …also in 4Kflickering is even worse …..I don t understand how they don t get it right…is it the wrong graphic engine ,which they once started with?

[@prokopiu]

I am not sure but my guess is that general performance issues with all these new good looking and complicated, physical algorithms etc forced them to dumb down the rendering to keep frames at an acceptable level for the whole spectrum of PCs.

[@roelarends2803]

I totally agree. I have a moderate system, i7-6700K CPU with 32 GB internal memory and a GTX 1070 card, LG monitor 3400 x 1400. I though I could run X-Plane 12, but the flickering is hurting my eyes. I just reinstalled X-Plane 11 and now I am enjoying it again. The picture is s easier for my eyes. I doubt if Laminar can improve this over time. What I also hate is the very dark cockpits .I felt that X-Plane was far from ready when they released is before Christmas 2022.

[@prokopiu]

I really hope Laminar picks up on this - I have not used XP12 for some time now because I am a bit tired of complaining :-) I really want this to work but the longer they ignore this (I cannot see it on their known issues list) the bigger the chance they will loose old customers like me to MSFS. Not that MSFS is always bliss - but it works well enough and starts to be a real alternative.

[@wright5190]

Ich bin froh, dass ich auf den MSFS umgestiegen bin, bei allen Nachteilen, die auch der hat. Aber für mich spielt die Optik schon eine entscheidende Rolle, und die vermeintlichen oder tatsächlich realistischeren Flugeigenschaften kann doch von uns PC-Piloten kaum einer beurteilen. Auch X-Plane ist ohne entsprechende Hardwareunterstütung nur ein Computerspiel und keine echte Simulation. Meine Meinung!

[@prokopiu]

Damit treiben sie noch mehr XP Kunden zum MSFS. Schade….

[@and696]

Hi All: just a question: do you think that LR suggest for the new users with XP12, to use a 4K Monitor ?? Is also possibile that the old 60MZ monitor with the HD resolution ( 1920x1080) are not enough for the new XP12 ??

[@prokopiu]

They are not suggesting this. And even with 4k you get flicker. I know several simmers that are as pissed of in 4k :-)

[@gracebyseven]

I’m running a 4k at 120hz and still have horrid shimmering. What shocks me is that people seem to not care.

[@Jonas-xz7ee]

Mal ein Nachtrag: Eine wirkliche Verbesserung bringt für mich nur Nvidias DL-DSR (Deep Learning Dynamic Super Resolution ). Benötigt wird eine nvidia Karte der RTX Generation. Die konventionellen Antialiasing Optionen im nvidia Control Panel greifen unter Vulkan ja nicht. Das DL-DSR aktiviert man unter den globalen Einstellungen im nvidia Panel - Option heißt "DSR-Faktoren". Die DL-Skalierung ist das moderne DSR mit KI, die unteren Optionen entsprechen dem alten DSR. Man wählt den gewünschten Skalierungsfaktor, anschließend kann man im X-Plane eine höherere Rendering Auflösung wählen, als der Monitor tatsächlich anzeigen kann. Der nvidia Treiber rechnet das dann wiederum runter auf die native Monitorauflösung unter Verbesserung der Bildqualität. Damit wird das Flimmern doch sehr deutlich minimiert. Dazu kann ich folgende Optionen empfehlen: im Treiber: Antialiasing-FXAA->Ein / Dreifach-Puffer->Ein / Max.Bildfrequenz(auch Hintergrundanwendung)->30fps / Vertikalte Synch->Ein. Im X-Plane: Kantenglättung->FXAA / Renderauflösung->Aus / Anistr.Filt->16x / den Rest nach Belieben bzw. Leistung. Damit kann zumindest ich gut arbeiten. Die Grafikkarte sollte schon recht potent sein, weil DL-DSR natürlich einiges an Rechenleistung braucht.

[@prokopiu]

ja, das hat was. Aber die GraKa pustet kräftig und die Frames sind dann schon eher im unteren Bereich. Bestätigt meine Theorie das Laminar auf höhere Auflösungen optimiert hat. Das Bild wird etwas gefälliger und die Treppen und Flickereffekte sind auch reduziert (wenn auch nicht weg). Muss mal sehen wie sich das mit Streamen und komplexen Fliegern verträgt. Danke für den Tip!!

[@reedchrisj]

I said early in the beta that I thoughtLR had “capped” the sliders to reduce the volume of performance issues raised by people adopting the same rendering settings as 11.

[@prokopiu]

Yeap, that is my impression. They have real issues with performance and dumbed down costly settings like AA leaving us with the eyesore.

[@simmerlabs]

Hello my friend. Finally i found someone that are so frustrated as I am. I guess your theory that xp12 was designed for 4k is correct, because o changed my monitor to a 2k and after I at least got some flights. The problem is presente in 2k but in less intensity. I hope laminar see your vídeo and fix all the problems as soon as possible. In other case o will change to msfs.

[@prokopiu]

I really hope so. There is a new X-Plane Discord channel from Laminar. Maybe I can make them aware on this forum.

[@rcburse112]

Well, here we are in 12.01 beta4 and still have the terrible shimmers. I am in the midst of submitting a bug report. Hopefully all experiencing this issue will do the same. I did notice that changing from window mode to full screen mode and changing the screen resolution up one notch helps some. Also, it may be that 12.01 beta4 has addressed it a bit but as Kosta said, it sometimes appears better but then it's not.

[@prokopiu]

In the latest 12.1 rc1 it has become better and according to a simmer friend Laminar plans to improve it further for the release version. Let's hope for that ;-)

[@iain8837]

My XP12 is a flickering mess, looks horrible around airport aprons with taxi lines and fences flickering and shimmering. Once airborne it’s not so bad. 8700k at 4.8 and 4080 with max settings and FPS are fine, trying all sorts of tricks I read online but nothing really fixes it. Trying hard to like this version but when you go back to XP11 it’s just visually better in this aspect.

[@prokopiu]

Yeah, we are not the only ones with this experience. But there may be light at the tunnel. Laminar wants to address the whole AA mess in 12.10. So two releases to go...

[@brndn2208]

Yeah I have been trying to get it to look good I am done... back to 11 for now.

[@vasiliosgrekousis8192]

I have i9-9900K, RTX 3080 Ultra, and my XP 12 settings are configured as for a Mid end machine. Using the ZIBO in KJFK.... forget it, it will drop to the 20's of frames. No more KJFK for me. Finito.

[@update72]

Interesting. I played Valheim yesterday, which as far as I know is also based on Vulcan, and I also saw this flickering. Could it be that there is something wrong with the current Vulkan version? Is there any further information from Laminar Research?

[@prokopiu]

Not yet. Not sure if this is actually a problem of Vulkan. In XP11 the Vulkan mode does not show these issues.

[@samuelcv6565]

anyway you are lucky with 3070 ..my AMD 6800 has terrible performance no matter X11 or X12..I need to roll back drivers.....XP and AMD are not trying to solve the problem at least for X11. X12 has a Zink bridge which brigs quite optimal performance

[@stephengale7177]

Hello, Are you still having the problems

[@prokopiu]

yes, the flicker is still there (I am still on 12.05 as I do not have time for betas). But I guess my brain has started to implement a flicker filter ;-)

[@davidtsw]

Yeah, I just got XP12 coming from MSFS and damn, it's bad. No matter the settings, in XP or in the Nvidia control panel, antialiasing is simply terrible. It's like I have AA off, except I don't. I like the physics but all this shimmering, jaggies everywhere. It looks trash. Very disappointing. I didn't get Xplane12 for its graphics. I want to focus on flying, but everywhere I look, I see these rendering issues

[@doltBmB]

10:00 now I'm going to compare xp12 .... 13 minutes later 23:00 too much rambling, I have no idea what you are saying because it's all disconnected by long rambles

[@khaledhaddad578]

hello everyone this is a short video the vid:37min

[@davidmou7433]

I fly in 2K and it is horrible and I have a good PC and it does nothing I am about to retire from xplane 12 it is garbage

[@prokopiu]

wait for 12.10 as Laminar has promised to do something about AA in that version.