XPan without the X

Have you ever wanted to shoot some Panoramic Images but don't want to pay that Xpan Price?
Well maybe I have another alternative for you! THE MAMIYA 7 PANORAMIC ADAPTER! It's my new favorite obsession! Join for a ride along into how this bad boy works!
IG: calebknueven
Prints: calebknueven.darkroom.tech
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Camera:
Mamiya 7
Lens:
Mamiya 7 80mm F4
Bag:
Brevite - Jumper
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Film:
Fuji 200 (Fuji Gold)
Kodak 200
#mamiya7 #mediumformat #panoramicview

[@tlangphoto]

Don’t write off 3D printed options. There is a whole world of opportunities that can be had with some 3D printed parts. I designed a kit to use 120 film in old style Polaroid land cameras and bring life back to them.

[@BadFlashes]

Not that I’m against those options. I totally agree. Just not in that camera for me. Haha But I’m interested in your Land camera kit? That would be awesome to try it out. Sounds awesome

[@gottanikoncamera]

I wish someone would figure out a way to 3-D print a film holder that allows the use of cut down 4X5 in my 195.

[@MeowjinBoo]

I want to get a panoramic back but the only option for my 4x5 is the Shen hen

[@BadFlashes]

I’m sure something exists 👍🏼

[@bmcunning]

lol can i have the files? was going to try to do something similar for my land camera but its just a paper weight now

[@inkaststudio]

"Kyle McDaddy" 🤣🤣🤣

[@BadFlashes]

😆

[@lensaero]

I'm amazed it's taken you (and Jason) this long to add this to your M7, they are wonderful bits of kit. Top tip, use the 50mm and it's rangefinder (beg borrow or steal one!:) - the bright lines have middle third markings making it very easy to frame the pano shot.

[@BadFlashes]

Hahaha oh yeah!!!!!!

[@redsphoto6708]

Quick note on dslr scanning panos: I just stitch several regular 35mm images together. Just need to make sure to get as close to 1:1 as possible and not have any of the film holder mask in the part of the image that overlaps. Works out well for me now that capture one has built in pano support (though it is still probably way slower/less reliable than Lightrooms) Sheesh the dream setup here. I am jelly! Great photos as always! Unfortunately I can't justify buying a Mamiya 7 so I must make do with my Bronica SQ + Pano Back (the back is actually very pricey but the camera is a fifth the M7 so hey). Granted I don't get that sweet 6x7 goodness and have to make do with the 6x6 less wide pano (4:9 aspect ratio... ;-;). I do have a pair of them 3d printed ones but still haven't tried them out. They should work in most cases but obviously way less convenient cause you need a dark bag to roll it back and stuff. And if you have an automatic medium format camera (as in it handles the leader etc) then you likely want to craft a paper leader and stick it on which is a big hassle). Pro-tip: Never force the wind lever or knob. You may think you used a 36 exposure roll but used a 24 and in the process of trying to force the wind, strip a gear or two, break your expensive toy and cry. Definitely not a true story. Nope. For anyone else curious, a fair few 6x6 cameras and some 6x45 cameras had oem pano adapters (even the Rolleiflex TLRs). Unfortunately 6x7 is lacking in that sense (I am still deeply upset Bronica promised they would release a 135w back for their GS-1 but never did....). Other options!: - The 3d printed stuff everyone else mentioned. A nice thing is you could pop those into a 6x9 camera and get REALLY WIDE stuff. Or into god forbid even larger medium format cameras like 6x12 etc... - LowFi option: The Lomography Sprocket Rocket is apparently very fun (In An Instant has an awesome video on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHnWanWnnrJpldE ) - I have seen some folk take an SLR body, dremel/cut more of the film gate, stick a Mamiya Universal etc lens on the front, apply copious amounts of gaffer tape and glue and make their own monstrosity that I assume takes wonderful photos If we want to leave behind 35mm and go into the bigger league: - There's the Holga 6x12 pinhole camera famous for all the Holga reasons but now also pinhole. You could even hack it into having a real lens (e.g. www.holgamods.com/holgamods/612_Pan.html) - There's a lot of really nice pinhole cameras in 6x12 and even some in 6x17/18. I shot 1 roll through my Zero 618 and I am really excited to shoot more with it. (The Ondu looks even more fun with its rise pinhole thing ondupinhole.com/products/6x17-ondurama-rise ) - 6x12 backs for 4x5 cameras are like ~$350-$450 and probably provide banger images (though in a measly 1:2 ratio). Heck you could buy a 6x17 camera (or a 5x7+617 back) for less than an Xpan - I have seen 1 6x24 camera....still cheaper than an Xpan - You could steal Jason's 8x10 camera and figure out how to shoot 4x10 on it

[@chuckdries]

god I love the pano look these shots turned out amazing

[@BadFlashes]

Aw thanks!!!! They are some of my favs for sure. I’m glad you like them :)

[@jorsetti]

Thanks for making this video! I have same kit and can't wait to try it out with my Mama Mia 7!

[@BadFlashes]

Yayaya that’s awesome

[@nicik852]

For anyone like me who desperately wanted to get into pano but doesn't have a medium format camera or xpan budget I highly recommend the horizon swing lens cameras. I ended up getting mine as a gift but the prices aren't to bad (especially compared to other true pano options), optics aren't perfect and there can be some distortion but overall I've gotten surprising fantastic results. It's a great option for testing 21:9 aspect ratio, also they're all mechanical. My only issue with the camera is rewinding gives me some trouble and mine occasionally gets lightleaks from the swinging mechanism, other than that one of the most fun cameras I have.

[@sticboy]

You’re like the Phife hype to Jason’s Q-tip. There’s probably an innuendo in there some where but super fun video man!

[@BadFlashes]

Haha I thanks. I’m glad you dig :)

[@justlikeswimming5988]

Truck shot is AMAZING!!!

[@BadFlashes]

Awwww I’m so glad you dig it!!! :)

[@Emariess]

You guys are such a power couple 🫶🏼

[@BadFlashes]

🤣🤙🏼🥳 thanks !!!

[@Floydsframes]

Those shots 🔥🔥

[@BadFlashes]

😍😍🥰🥰

[@DLivingston]

Okay, now I really want a Mamiya 7. Ive been eyeing the prices and waitin to jump and now there is even more of a reason. Glad you revisited this area though! I also heard about the fuji being kodak gold, crazy world we live in. Fuji hates film, they rather the world of film just fake it with some camera profiles. ope. I just love these panos, so good. About to get a 3d printer and want to try out the 35mm in my 645, we shall see what the future holds. Okay, now its time to go see what Baxter's dad brewed up into his video this week. Bye.

[@aarontimm]

Didn't know about the fuji rebranding gold dilemma, super disappointing. they seem to stray further and further from this market despite growing interest in film year after year

[@BadFlashes]

Bro! I’m like not telling you what to do but like you should totally get a Mamiya 7…. I mean like it’s the best camera in the world. Lol but yeah I’m not mad at Fuji 200 being gold because I don’t like Fuji cheap film in the first place so I’m fine with that. Lol OK go get some love to Jason!

[@BadFlashes]

Yep, not mad at it but definitely crazy

[@benbeattie4609]

Best soundtracks on KZbin by a country mile!

[@BadFlashes]

Nice!! I thought it was dope tooo

[@DogsandFilm]

you did great! tht adapter is the best way to get panoramic shots. I do the same but with my Pentax 67

[@BadFlashes]

That’s awesome toooo!!!! I know lots of peeps doing it that way

[@toomanyjstoomanyrs1705]

I do the same with my Pentax. Crazy thing is I bought mine for $40 or so. A few months later I checked the prices again and they were astronomical. Talking about $200+.😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@BeePee1503]

You are one funny dude! And better than that other guy with you…ha! Great video, very informative, you even got that switching the pressure plate part that I always forget. Btw You can use the 150mm with the pano kit and get the cinematic look.

[@BadFlashes]

Maybe I’ll just have to try that 150mm could be interesting:) Thanks for the hot tip

[@gottanikoncamera]

My favorite shot is the two trailers; great light! I’ve often wondered how different an XPan would be from just masking off the same relative aspect ratio on my 645 or 500 C/M since the width of 120 ain’t that far off from two 35mm crunched together.

[@BadFlashes]

Aw thanks! I dig that one tooo. Overall you can totally do it. I just want to be able to use 35mm film for those extra frames. You can also get 135 inserts for hasselblads or other cameras as well

[@ZackiSnipes]

Reading the title I thought this was a coming out as pan video. Pride month and all

[@BadFlashes]

Haha nope sorry to disappoint

[@rflagg3]

So glad I bought my kit in ‘09. Think I paid $140. Oh, and the best way to scan these (at home) is via fluid mount on a flatbed.

[@BadFlashes]

I wish I was living in those $140 days haha

[@jacobchristopher8995]

What do you and Jason do for a living to be able to afford all this film gear

[@nickystewart]

Now I want a Mamiya 7. Never tried medium format but it looks so good!!

[@BadFlashes]

Omg medium format is the best! 10%

[@BadFlashes]

I mean 1000000%

[@paulhenry7678]

Great job! I was a bit late to the party for this one, but it helped me decide to get a pano kit for my Mamiya 7. Going to give it a trial run tomorrow... BTW, since you have a penchant for deserted properties, Ghosts in the Wilderness - Abandoned America by Tony and Eva Worobiec is a real feast for the eyes - all shot on 120.

[@BadFlashes]

At least you made it and it helped :) And Oh nice I must check it!

[@BadFlashes]

I bought it

[@paulhenry7678]

@@BadFlashes You won't regret it!

[@KyleMcDougall]

I got you. 🤝

[@BadFlashes]

Thanks for the wise words of encouragement 🥰😆

[@flannelcommander]

I have one that I’ve never used. It’s been a closet queen. May just have to try her out now

[@BadFlashes]

Omg!!!! You should totally use it!!!!!!!

[@dennisswiatkowski]

Great informative video as I have been looking to add a panokit. Could you maybe do a video on how you scan panorama?

[@BadFlashes]

oh nice ... glad to help .. maybe I can do a YT short or something .... good idea

[@michaeldimmitt2188]

Any kits that allow the holes to be exposed too? I’m kinda liking those shots I see around… I hope to make/find a similar pano kit for my Mamiyaflex TLR. It will be weird looking into the viewer sideways though! It does work upside down over your head to get shots over a crowd or a wall. Tripod to start…

[@tubecorr]

Wow, I didn't realize how much the price jumped up on these over the last few years. You could find them for less than $100 in 2019.

[@BadFlashes]

Who needs crypto when we could have all just bought film cameras a few years ago hahaha

[@mikejankowski6321]

Another fun video, thanks! You have some really cool shots in there showcasing the panoramic ratio. And a few others that are not quite my style. I live in Palmdale, so you guys go past me regularly. On the one hand, I would love for that junk to not be cluttering up the desert, it is depressing. OTOH, if it were not there what would you photograph?

[@BadFlashes]

Hahaha right! Somehow it’s telling some sort of story

[@mgman6000]

I used to live in Lancaster and the reason the junk is because of the price of disposal at waste management I moved up to Tehachapi and they have a free city dump for residents no trash up here

[@mikejankowski6321]

@@mgman6000 Economics can explain a lot!

[@mgman6000]

@@mikejankowski6321 Yep most working people can't afford $100 to $10 worth of trash if they really wanted to clean it up open a town dump instead of taking kickbacks from big trash companies

[@ldstirling]

How many pano shots do you get with this kit for your Mamiya 7 on 24/36 exposure 35mm film? What is the specific frame size vs. the 24x65mm size of the Xpan?

[@BadFlashes]

About 18 frame for 36exp Less for 24 haha

[@hollywoodheiner6028]

Imagine you live in L.A., own the nicest camera gear out there and the only thing you shoot is abandoned shit in the desert. This is what happens when you are afraid of meeting Willem Verbeeck in the streets knowing you will loose a real fist fight over a photo of a tarp-covered car.

[@BadFlashes]

Oh we’ve met, but no fight …. We just took the same exact photo then gave each other a high-five for 15 min straight. Magic

[@ronnieolofsson9920]

Why didn’t you get à panokit for your Pentax 6x7, more lenses to choose from?

[@BadFlashes]

Because my Pentax 67 is so unreliable. I love my Mamiya more haha

[@patrickmurphy6602]

you have lost your desire for excessive empty foreground, and i DIG THAT! the fireplace and window shots at 2:40 - 3:20 are very good. almost an andrew wyeth vibe!

[@BadFlashes]

Thanks. The window shot was definitely a choice. And it worked out I think. :)

[@qnetx]

I have the poor man’s pano.. a Lomography Sprocket Rocket. Cheap and not super quality but creatively fun to use.

[@BadFlashes]

That totally works!!! :) As long as you hav me fun with it

[@Mazzeltoph]

If you want to do this but don't have the 3500 bucks to invest in a mamiya 7 (although i would love to have that camera, I never spend more than 300 euro on a camera) there is another option with good glass and an affordable price (relative to mamiya or hasselblad). You could get a bronica ETRS set for somewhere between 300-500 bucks, buy the 135W back for another 500 and suddenly you are shooting XPan like panorama's on sharp lenses and on a widely supported for parts system for less than 1000 bucks. The biggest hurdle is finding a 135W back coupled with the specially made 135W viewfinder glass which has the framelines for the panorama (runs about 150 bucks seperately) but if you are lucky like me you might get one in the bronica etrs you buy. And than it is possible to get shooting pano's eaven cheaper since you could buy the cheaper 135N normal 35mm back, and modify its front plate to shot wider panorama's. Those run you about 200-300 bucks and suddenly you are shooting panorama for 600-800 bucks. It's not as easy to handle but hell, shooting cheaper is never easy :p

[@aiherzen]

That's an expensive way to add the crop panorama like an APS camera has. I like it!

[@BadFlashes]

Yeah but like APS sucks …. Soooooo definitely better 🤣😆

[@geophizz]

There is no way I could afford either an XPan or a Mamiya 7 kit, so I cobbled together an XPanski, which consists of a $60 Moskva-4 6x9 folder and $7 worth of 3d printed adapters. The lens is extremely sharp. the image is wider than an XPan, and when I'm walking around, it fits in my pocket, so it's a daily driver for me.

[@BadFlashes]

I do love that!!!! :)

[@Cdelro]

How did you get that mamiya 6 plate off to put it on the mamiya 7 plate?

[@BadFlashes]

I remember kind of just screwing it off I believe

[@KylerSteele]

100% Mamiya 7 with Pano Kit is better than an Xpan purchase. Those xpan electronics are too shaky for me to ever consider investing! Love the look of the shots

[@BadFlashes]

Aw thanks. They are some of my favorites for sure! Love them.

[@dominicknepper2082]

I use my Yashica Mat 124G with a 3D printed adapter. Never had a problem. If the adapter does break I can have a new one in an hour.

[@BadFlashes]

Yeah I’d definitely trust that type of camera with an adapter like that! That’s cool you have a printer

[@Tahmaders]

A Two girls reference in 2022? You're the messiah.

[@BadFlashes]

Haha though I’d just leave that one there for a split second.

[@AeromaticXD]

I really wanna get a nice medium format camera that’ll work well for pano

[@BadFlashes]

Do it I believe in you!!!!!

[@AeromaticXD]

@@BadFlashes thanks lol, I currently have a Lomo pano camera but it’s not versatile, and I’ve also used fake pano before

[@kathreenmirate389]

I have been shooting film for years… Right now, I am asking “what does my film photography mean to film photography?”

[@BadFlashes]

Oh ... only you can answer that question 😜

[@kathreenmirate389]

@@BadFlashes It means nothing.

[@nathandault860]

Is there a pano option for the Pentax 67?

[@BadFlashes]

I think the only option is a 3-D printed option

[@nathandault860]

@@BadFlashes good to know, I might give it a shot!

[@acmdv]

I guess what also helps is those super sharp Mamiya 7 lenses.

[@BadFlashes]

So yeah. So sharp

[@JohnWilliams-tp6sb]

Nice work! Forgive me if this sounds stupid but couldn't you just crop your 6x7 images to 24x65 for free and get the same result?

[@jordangrace3942]

He's shooting 35mm tho. You'd have to shoot medium format that way.

[@JohnWilliams-tp6sb]

@@jordangrace3942 If it's for the purpose of using cheaper film the cost of the adapter kit won' be fully recouped until he's completed 700 exposures.

[@BadFlashes]

I mean 700 is a weekend shoot for me 😜

[@CrispyFloorCeiling]

panos are dope!!

[@BadFlashes]

Oh my god!!!!! Right

[@anta40]

"Cheaper than XPan? Not really..." Thank you for being honest. I guess a cheaper option is to pick one of those 3D printed cameras (which typically use Mamiya Press lenses). Well, of course don't expect it to be compact 😅😁

[@BadFlashes]

lol I try to be honest 😛

[@SteveMillerhuntingforfood]

Not sure what I'm missing, but when I want a pano, I just shoot multiple images and stitch in LR or PS. Does not matter which format, 35mm or 120. Best done on a tripod (that is level, or a leveling head), but i've done it hand held and it works.

[@BadFlashes]

I get that too I’ve definitely done that

[@mgman6000]

Thanks for the inspiration I'll just make a mask for my mamiya C33 for composition and crop it in ps The film is the same

[@BadFlashes]

🥰⭐️✌🏼

[@bayongbayu]

lmfao 2:06 best line this episode

[@BadFlashes]

Awwww thanks :)

[@TheWutangclan1995]

I still think it’s possible to get an xpan. All you need to do is trade the Mamiya 7 lol. I have an xpan and love the images it churns out. But also keeping it as collateral.

[@BadFlashes]

Hahaha but I love my Mamiya 7 …. It’s the best!!!!!!

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

I might buy an XPAN or TX, IF they were repairable. But there is absolutely no way I can afford that kind of money on a camera that might brick on me. It would give me so much stress.

[@BadFlashes]

I feel I feel

[@robertleidner9703]

I figured an even better hack that allows you to switch between both formats on the fly. But then both.

[@BadFlashes]

Hahaha so two Mamiya 7sss yes plz

[@ivan9066]

I just rolled some 35mm on a 120 spool(with the backing paper ofc) and currently shooting with a 6x6 voigtländer. Maybe I'm gonna luck out and save a few grand on an Expan 🤡

[@BadFlashes]

Hahaha save it baby!!!! SAVE

[@garonkiesel1646]

If you already own a Mamiya 7 the pano option is a superior choice to the X-Pan. The lenses provide plenty of coverage (no vignetting) and you will never have to use that stupid filter with the dot in the center. Plus there’s no need to carry around another camera system. Genius!!!!

[@BadFlashes]

It’s the absolute besty best!!!!!!!!!! 😍

[@JacobChristiansen1]

Yeah, no. Xpan is way less fiddly and you don't get vignette unless you shoot everything at F4. The xpan is also way more handy

[@BadFlashes]

Definitely get the handy nature of a camera that is just pano but I the mam kit really isn’t that fussy and I haven’t seen any vignetting

[@garelalexandre3252]

yeah same feeling on ebay ahahah

[@BadFlashes]

Hahahaha

[@Ishikabibble]

half my job (materials engineer) is telling mechanical engineers designing shit for airplanes 'jesus fuck don't 3D print that are you an idiot' you're 100% right to not trust a 3D printed pano kit for your Mamiya. it will fail on you and if it's something in the goddamn film advance train it's probably going to break some other things when it does it's a piece of kit that costs three grand. you can afford to pony up the money for something actually made by using real production methods

[@BadFlashes]

Yeah the scariest thing on this planet is my Mamiya 7 breaking in any way…. That’s why I’d rather just buy the thing lol

[@JokiW]

You'll still buy a Xpan in the end and you know it. Or steal one from a friend who happen to have one.

[@BadFlashes]

haha maybe ... But just having shot 4 days straight with the pano back I can say I'm still super duper happy with it. no Complaints

[@JokiW]

@@BadFlashes It's one of the coolest accessories for any camera without doubt.

[@booca69]

bread

[@BadFlashes]

Texas toast

[@waveril5167]

you could just shoot 6x7 and then crop it lol

[@BadFlashes]

I mean but the pano back is coooo

[@nozomitojo8029]

but mamiya 7 is also unaffordable

[@BadFlashes]

Yep, true. I get that. But it’s sexy so so sexy

[@_nttai]

Oh man the white border hurts when watching at night man. Please consider to change it man

[@jacovanlith5082]

jUNK

[@BadFlashes]

Haha I like it

[@orestes1984]

So you're using a mask? Doesn't that make it technically a higher resolution Xpan? What's the point in this though? Can't you just crop in post?

[@BadFlashes]

I’m using 35mm film.

[@williamhorsom]

Mamiya 7 is not cheap either!

[@BadFlashes]

Nope. It ain’t.

[@chronicfish]

*Kyle McDaddy* 😂

[@BadFlashes]

😜😜😜

[@segfault-berlin]

I don't get it. Why not frame wide and crop to a panoramic frame in post, saving yourself 500bucks in the process? The frame isn't any wider than a normal 120 frame so you're not gaining anything in quality.

[@BadFlashes]

I get that. It’s if you want to shoot 35mm … sometimes you want that.

[@bigdrippy4104]

Why would I own 1 Mamiya 7 when I can just own 1 of every Holga? Checkmate atheists

[@BadFlashes]

Cuz then you would just have a bunch of Holgas … watch out for my Rook!

[@mikejankowski6321]

Wouldn't you run out of tape?

[@gatsbye53]

Yeah, there are so many other, cheaper ways to shoot pano. 😁

[@BadFlashes]

No denying that haha

[@lensaero]

@gatsbye53 I'd be interested to hear which of those cheaper options have the image quality of the M7 and the range of lenses available to use.

[@chilecayenne]

Yes, please do expand on the many options. Thanks in advance, CC

[@gatsbye53]

@@lensaero I meant cheaper than what the X-Pan is going for now. The Mamiya 7 is a great camera. 😁

[@gatsbye53]

@@chilecayenne the conversion kit used in the video, the Mamiya 645 pano back, Bronica ETR had a pano back. Even the "cheaty" masks that cameras like the Nikon N70 and Minolta 600 had. I never said they were superior ways, just cheaper than what the X-pan/TX-1 go for these days.

[@PeppyBerryman]

Why didn't you just borrow your boyfriend's? I'm sure he'd only expected a twisty in return.

[@BadFlashes]

Haha well …. Sometime you just need your own pano

[@PeppyBerryman]

@@BadFlashes Agreed 😉

[@eccentricsmithy2746]

Why go thru all that BS, just shoot 120 and crop it to panoramic in photoshop. Cost $0 and no conversion kit needed. Im gonna buy a corvette and swap the engine from a Ford Taurus into it so I dont speed, instead of just not pressing the gas peddle as much...perfect logic.

[@BadFlashes]

I mean your not wrong. BUT overall I wanted to shoot 35mm to get more frames AND film options. ULTRAMAX 4 LYFE

[@mikejankowski6321]

More film choices, plus nobody is doing this for convenience!

[@Wolfloid]

What a very annoying persona.

[@BadFlashes]

Cool… I’m sure you’re a ball of fun