This "NO LOGOUT" Rule is TRASH!!! | Expedition SSFHC No Logout

[@sineupp]

the no logout rule isn't shit. hardcore PoE is shit. the faster streamers catch up to this reality the faster GGG is forced to do something about it. Great job, Mathil.

[@Koroar]

I always play HC and don't log out other than if I'm having internet problems, it's completely fine for me.

[@SleazyRoseWalker]

I haven't been following this. I see many thanking Mathil for removal of log-out, that he's connected to it somehow. Why is this?

[@sineupp]

@@SleazyRoseWalker mathil, a softcore streamer, made a deal with a bunch of hardcore streamers (quin, ziz, raiz, and others) that as long as he keeps playing hardcore they're not allowed to use logout macros. now we're getting more RIP clips than every other league, and hopefully GGG is browbeaten to balance the game better for hc.

[@kiddo3822]

@@SleazyRoseWalker In the podcast, Mathil challenged other streamer to play HCSSF without Logout Macro. The link to podcast /watch?v=awE6v3qMJYI&ab arnd 1:13:00

[@HFTVChannel]

Except not really , we're all mostly happy to play with a logout macro and fewer without having to log at all. Its the softcore players that get offended in our stead like they know what they are talking about.

[@Doodles__]

Why even play hardcore if you log out every time you dip under 50% hp this is what hardcore should be

[@Miqzz]

bUt thE gAeM IsNt bAlNCed fOr Hc t blue haired man they just want to flex about playing hc without actaully running a real risk of dying to anything

[@babbsan123]

@@Miqzz then play softcore, the way it's meant to be played then:?

[@Miqzz]

@@babbsan123 I do, cause i'm not a pretend hc andy what's your point

[@jonnykuglmeier9625]

actually a good take

[@badoia2115]

Came here to post this. Like what even is the point if you are logging out to avoid death. I had no idea this was something they were doing but this seems to defeat the purpose of the mode entirely.

[@tfgirard]

cast when damage taken + portal the new meta

[@vichikaru]

die faster ,portal casting time...

[@kuteo9314]

would faster casting works with this?

[@lordcarl3094]

You are saying that like getting a portal gem in Hardcore is just a flick of your fingers. Not to mention its just a copy/paste, clearly not your idea... saw it way too many times already, but whatever. Show me your Hardcore stash with all that portal gem just waiting to be sold.

[@tfgirard]

@@lordcarl3094 i was joking since they cant logout

[@lordcarl3094]

@@tfgirard I get it, my brain thinks in SSF, because i only play poe there. Just looked it up, actually its not that costly to get one in Hardcore, 3 Chaos is the cheapest. Last time i think i had a Portal Gem it was ~8 years ago when Dominus was the final Boss of the game. Maybe i'm just unlucky, but it can drop from level 10. Theoretically it can work, but accidentally entering the portals would be annoying too. :D

[@douglaspintor]

Best thing about this league is mathil's challenge. Easy.

[@justshane2805]

and logbooks, they're just too good

[@stereorich]

This is awesome, proper HC makes the beta streamers mald.

[@TheGamersTruth]

The game is balanced around the ability to logout at every time.

[@dcko1979]

@@TheGamersTruth Adapt or be fake HC. Game visibility is crap tho and most of the time you don't know what killed you. It doesn't mean you have to be a beta HC fake lol.

[@papadwarf6762]

Logout to avoid being bad lol

[@DarkesLuk]

@@TheGamersTruth lol log out when ur lagging or the servers are crashing but not when you decide to do stupid shit lol

[@DarkesLuk]

@@dcko1979 thats what the game is bud, unless you're using it to save yourself before crash or logging than you are just playing softcore with hard in the name

[@vlveil3534]

BatChest nooooo i cant rely on my magic button that completely nullifies and renders me immune to any mistakes I've made in the past 10 seconds BatChest

[@FinalPhantasy420]

Hardcore players who log out to prevent a death are softcore players in denial

[@Shira_H]

True and real.

[@daanstrik4293]

I genuinly don’t know what makes hardcore fun to begin with. 99% of my deaths in POE were by things I could either do nothing about (like souleater hasted mobs), had no time to react to, a result of visual clutter or simply getting offscreened.

[@FinalPhantasy420]

Logging out to prevent a death in hardcore counts as a death.

[@IkIllYa100]

i dont get it man what's the point of playing hardcore if they log out soon they feel they will die...

[@joachimnilsson9243]

I don't get it. So they wanna play hardcore but don't want to play with the risk of dying? WTFF

[@WafelixRox]

Yep hc players in a nutshell

[@gerardmarc2242]

True. That's why mathil who plays softcore challenged them and he'll be trying hc ssf and no logout challenge himself. HC SSF BTW

[@warchant59]

Logging out allows you to avoid death and the HC penalty for death. If you log out, you are playing countcore, in which you get to die an unknown number of times before actually incurring the HC penalty. It's just softcore with a semi-random failure penalty. Welcome to playing HC for the first time!

[@crepuscolo80]

Makes sense dude. This is an HC league. So the Logout tric to avoid the death is a cheat. If you don't want to lose you char play standard league. They simply fixed this issue.

[@massiveRPG]

Without logging out, I play as badly as he does now, and this is his real level of play without macros, and auxiliary things, and the real level of a normal person who plays SSFHC, I hope that in POE 2 there will be protection against such things so that players cannot do a Logout macro, but I would suggest that developers generally prohibit logout macros at the agreement level and issue BAN to players who use macros, It turns out now so Quin69 IS NOT A PRO GAMER, A RAT PLAYER OUT GAMER :DDDDDDD

[@Kolt461]

To be fair, this league makes you want to logout literally.

[@HamsterHearthstone]

Just keep character in game for 15 seconds after logout. Problem solved.

[@ilant]

@@HamsterHearthstone sure... new problem: thousand dead chars due to electricity/internet outs

[@HamsterHearthstone]

@@ilant if the electricity grid sucks, no business playing hardcore to begin with. xD

[@Max-ej4oh]

Quin's just there to become the new Keemstar in clownery. You got this dude, wear these shoes and honking nose proudly.

[@bahamutr4270]

Lol this guys never truly tried to game before. This hard-core sounds like it holds to the name HARDCORE.

[@tumblingman28]

Lol idk why streamers get so upset about this. This is true hardcore. At least there isn't reflect mobs like there used to be back in the day. Those rips were fucking brutal 😂

[@FrisianPingu]

You pressed the button to go to your hideout when you nearly died of poison @13.55. Id say that also equals a logout that you werent allowed using

[@Kopie0830]

Ouch! No escape from the first one. This is how hardcore should be played, armed to the teeth, prepared for everything. I summon like a thousand mob to protect myself before venturing forth hehehehe.

[@philosoaper]

it just makes you actually learn the game.. so I think it's GREAT.. no cheating or cheesing while pretending to be a HC player

[@TheGamersTruth]

The game is balanced around logout They could easy kill it by putting a logout timer into the game

[@philosoaper]

@@TheGamersTruth they don't balance around HC at all so saying it's balanced around logout is nonsense and crap that has been going around for years

[@luiscoelho77]

The main problem with the game is the absurd ammount of OHK that dont help HC players. You cant counter completely this, you can just go around it but dont mean you cant get one shot without counting. Its unfair and unbalanced if you cant counter play that. The game isnt balanced on HC, at least without logout.

[@TheGamersTruth]

@@philosoaper Chris Wilson said that if they would bring in a logout timer they would have to change the balancing

[@philosoaper]

@@TheGamersTruth that still does not spell what you think it does

[@amarrgalente9395]

The way they play makes me laugh. They're so used to logging out at the slightest mistake, that simple things like removing freeze with a flask or opening a portal when you have a degen doesn't even compute in their brains.

[@pedrorodrigueziii4859]

To think Ziz called log-out macro a "skil shot". Within the parameters of the game, GGG never meant for a macro to be a get out of jail free card. The point of hardcore is to either be prepared for anything or risk losing it all. If you're going to gripe about not getting an ejecto seat button, play the mode where it doesn't matter! How does anyone feel good about playing hardcore with a parachute? I have 0 sympathy for people being mad that you can't entirely negate the risk of hardcore.

[@Evoken111]

If they are getting fun from playing hardcore wiith logout macro then where is the problem? :)

[@beansssss3847]

@@Evoken111 Logout nullifies any sense of danger of playing hardcore. Come on man, with macro they are playing Anxiety Induced SC cause they can escape and have a smug sense of being skilled.

[@HFTVChannel]

@@beansssss3847 The issue with logout macro is the delusions that people that dont use it , have. Nobody cares about your insecurities , neither do we brag about playing HC , we're just playing the game efficiently, its more fun than softcore for us , its more tolerable than accepting a stupid death mechanic that you could avoid if you reacted fast enough while logging. The guys that speak of hardcore being about preparing for every scenario in the game are smoking crack. Thats how you kill diversity and pushing the game to its limits.

[@beansssss3847]

@@HFTVChannel it's cheating. Sorry you have to justify it. Git gud

[@HFTVChannel]

@@beansssss3847 topkek , continue staying mad about irrelevant shit like how other people choose to play their game, keep pretending to believe that permanent no logout HC poe would be a fun experience. Most builds would be the same and the game would be residentsleeper

[@theannualantagonist5930]

LOGOUTCORE ANDY'S OUT HERE CRYING THAT THEY CAN'T LOGOUT BASICALLY

[@logan-zf2wr]

Blows my mind to see just how trash these streamers really are without their safety net.

[@theannualantagonist5930]

@@logan-zf2wr Right, imagine being able to logout as an actual mechanic. Just do normal runs cause what's the point? They're just gonna logout when things get tough

[@loksunl8714]

logout to avoid death is a beta move, just play it safe or go softcore

[@chrishaselden]

HC log-out cheese is a ridiculous meta that goes completely against the spirit of HC. If you don't want to play HC, then just don't play HC.

[@kordiggity420]

yo hands down quin chat is the best trolls and put himself through it. i fucking love it.

[@ezzreall]

I Think for playing without logout GGG should put a shortcut for casting Portal scroll ... going to inventory and click on it is some time impossible BUT thats the point of Hardcore because u have to take care of everthing with the logout people play more ZOOM ZOOM that is not really HC style ..

[@madchem23]

Finally, HC where you can't cheat your way to uber.....now you have to learn to play it properly.

[@anarchymatt]

that dono message at 2:00 was funny as fuck

[@dstojanovic9]

The best league ever! No league has ever come close to topping this or will ever come close to topping this. The league was pure entertainment with all the content it produced. Every second they were on edge, every moment could be their last. What an epic performance.

[@styxzero1675]

Game is not balanced around instant logout otherwise logout macro would be a function in the game and not a third party software. However it is balanced around clicking esc + logout because that actually takes some timing and skilling to pull of during a high stress situation not just spamming a key to instantly loggout.

[@George_Rambo]

The game isn't balanced period. Some fights you are just supposed to not take at all because they are impossible or nearly impossible to win. Stop perpetuating this notion that it is "balanced around logout," because that is just cringe.

[@bensterWasHere]

What if ggg let us have a hotkey for portal scrolls, like diablo 2. And no I don't mean the portal gem. Just the scroll

[@albundy124]

there is skill gem with portal

[@dragocatsura4802]

@@albundy124 Did you even read the comment fully before replying? smh

[@albundy124]

@@dragocatsura4802 only 1st sentence xD

[@ruin3r]

Logout macros should never be a thing, defeats the purpose of hardcore, the whole idea is you need to PLAN AHEAD and build your character in a way to prevent dying, not wait until you're about to die and logout to avoid that, then go about things differently without incurring any penalty. The only possible accomodation they should make is asystem that spares your character if there's a server-side DC/crash or bug that's out of the player's hands.

[@CyBeR1129]

That 1st one when he jump in the middle of shit xD

[@himself0424]

I still appreciate you going through with this even though you hate it. If it makes you feel better, Mathil and Zizaran are having "fun" too.

[@NeilyWins]

Quin that thumbnail is fucking GOLD

[@parheliaa]

Playing HC with Logout Macro is a hard (pun not intended) type of Doublethink

[@Gruunld]

4:02 what is the point of playing hardcore if you aren't going to die when you mess up? No idea, good thing you can't logout now

[@IkIllYa100]

4min05 this is not even funny. Lol welcome to the real hardcore experience dude!

[@maf5651]

the timing at 2:30 is the funniest shit ever

[@VexMega]

this should be a thing implemented in the game. Imagine you need to wait 2 to 3 seconds to exit the game.

[@HFTVChannel]

Imagine sitting at your couch watching basketball and deciding that you wanna switch a rule because you didnt like how it was played even though you are not participating. How insanely stupid is that?

[@styxzero1675]

​@@HFTVChannel Imagine thinking you are a pro player just because you put up commercials around the arena and pretend to be a professional team by copying a pro teams clothes but in reality in your playstyle you are still an amateur. That perfectly describes current hardcore meta.

[@HFTVChannel]

@@styxzero1675 we are just not retarded enough to force a boring game to deal with a non problem most of us who play on HC do not recognise as a problem. Softcorer hypocrites just want to point away from the power creep which is the main reason the game is at the state that it is, and not logging out

[@Ply447]

Logout macro for hardcore has always been lame as fuck.

[@ragnarokgr]

That's the way the league should be played. GGG should implement a logout timer like D3 had. Lets see who is the true hardcore gamer then.

[@Lyaagato]

now.. this is true hardcore

[@jmkeff]

streamers not being able to use auto logout script to best Hardcore :O

[@GothChild]

This is how HC should've been since day 1, force the character to remain inside the instance until you log back in. Logout macro is the most beta cuck shiet that exists in PoE

[@MostWantedWannaBE]

they changed this since they had issues with people dcing or game lagging out and dying so they allowed instant logouts to mediate this issue this is not d3 where you see yourself dying 20sec in advance poe kills you in fractions of a second

[@Echo__Whiskey]

Quin are you going to be league starting still in two months or are you going to adjust to the rules?

[@roamin9871]

How can it be HC if you logout when you over did it on the expedition? I really will never understand the logout macro, never will. Good work on not logging out. I respect you for it, it's real HC without a pathetic macro, no one is good at HC with a macro, ppl say oh its for the games bad networking or stability, yet every HC logout I see is because ppl are about to die because they were not prepared. Nothing to do with the game.

[@chypres89]

Imagine playing the game the way it was designed. amazing.

[@kmaguire7161]

I am so shit at the late game boss fights. I can't imagine playing hardcore. It would stress me out so much.

[@Exathius]

Its funny listening to the Narrator voiceover.

[@mageborn23]

I'm confused? Why not just not play hardcore?

[@MattDoesLife539]

This is how HC should be played, what's the point of pressing one button and instantly porting your character out into safety?

[@decimo3609]

Imagine good old Times in Diablo2 when you used portal? Now logout macro is like everything, removes bleed, freeze, corrupted blood , and brain usage.

[@matthieusavary983]

Died hundreds of time more from ping loss than from mobs or wrong moves... I'll try HC when POE is playable offline (so never, I guess) :)

[@W.M.1]

Why don't ggg make an insta logout keybind, instead of having to use 3rd party scripts?

[@mysterymuffincat5745]

Why do people not understand that something with absurd mods stacked on it will inevitably kill any build? Certain mods should't be together. Bet MOST of the people complaining about log out macros don't even play HC even though GGG allows it. Still super fun to watch rip clips tho.

[@nextlevel4587]

04:27 chicken trying crossfit wtf

[@chypres89]

Called out by GigaChad Mathill

[@scottbarnes9319]

No logout on hardcore should be the standard. Its meant to be hard. You shouldn't be able to save yourself from perma death.

[@balazsfenyes3880]

Quin needs a macro to turn off computer rather than logout.

[@leandrobartenderrr]

If u depend of log out...u aren't prepared for hardcore!

[@swingeingfolk2196]

poggies yt content by the dog tamer once again

[@TheAngelRaven]

Proper Hardcore for any game. Funny to see rage over legitamte HC.

[@mateussousa8002]

its not trash it just reveals that youre a not so good of a player as you might think

[@dcko1979]

HC in PoE is having good defenses and constantly warding off tunnel vision because 99% of mobs are cannon fodder. Maybe it's sad, but using a log off macro is denial. Streamers doing that crap is just making the game look legit. Source: never used the macro, always getting into tunnel vision and dying around 90 (where the real game starts lol)

[@LazyM0nday]

just play soft core lol. the log out thing is not hc playing lol .

[@iftijawad6267]

donos hard carrying as usual

[@fandomkiller]

log out so easy. lol he dint even have the reaction time to not dive in the middle of all that...

[@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262]

But whats the point of playing in SSFHC if you are going to log out??? it is the same as turning off your pc ...

[@grimmjowthepantera]

REAL man play with no logout ;)

[@TravisStockton]

oh so quin has actually tried not being a lame soyboy before? this should be a fun watch. considering the entire point of playing hardcore is completely negated by using a logout macro.

[@silkavenger]

Logging out as part of the meta of play just doesn’t seem fun to me. Feels about the same as watching LowTierGod disconnect when he is about to lose a set in street fighter…

[@viktornikolayenko984]

big boys crying , but thats what it means HardCore xd glad they removed logout xD

[@juancruzmunozreynoso3059]

Quin Just Dodge Man

[@Serpher1]

These videos are solely made for chat message reader.

[@mayainverse9429]

this is one thing d3 did better than poe. they balanced their game around not having logout macro like GGG did. really only way for GGG to make game to be any threat at all is to instant kill you often from off screen otherwise game is safe. in d3 u can easily get into dangerous situation you can't escape from and die a m in later.

[@ApoisonedCure4]

This is true but you can still die to lag in HC. Also, D3 is insanely easy until well after GR100. My first HC character real try at HC was a Barb I got to Gr120 on Switch (I usually only play on PC) while riding in a car (Going from NY to NV). They are very different games. (I have 1000s of hours in d3).

[@Zderzak]

Dog tamer 69

[@jasonpenz8902]

True Hardcore which I am happy POE did. Deal with it

[@TheRufas24]

only just heard about this change. Its absolutely wonderfull. Now you can play the mode as intented :P

[@robertwilson1664]

Logging out is the same as being a snitch. You started a fight and ran off like a bitch so you can live to tell the story about it.

[@sunnyday6133]

WHERE'S THE HEALS?!

[@girodleo31]

WHERE ARE THE HEALLLLSSSS?!?!????!

[@Knasty_Droolz]

Go play carebear then. Getting rid of the ability to logout so fast is what Hardcore should be. You have to pay for your mistakes and shit defense.

[@Sation50]

Should've done a practice run on Softcore.

[@hasznosjanos1493]

The possibility of using "Logout-macro" is the biggest hypocrisy from the devs. All the peeps who saying "Logout-macro is all fine" then macroing flasks why is against the rules? o.o Not 1 of my friend got banned couse of macroing flasks. You wanna play HC then play like HC! Not with some pussy ass macro which you pressing whenever the situation get spicy. PS.: Just imagine, most of HC players using that shit, 99% of the streamers for sure. My question is that if ya'll using logout-macro why you expect they will ever even look into balancing/fixing HC? They will be like "should we look into the lags/stutters/rubberbanding/desyncing in HC?" - "Nah bro its all fine...They can logout-macro kekw" *Laying back in the chair and take a sip from the coffee*

[@dragocatsura4802]

While I agree logout macros take a lot away from the true hardcore experience, I'm not going to sit here and shame someone for using it. If the way another person plays the game bothers you so much maybe stop watching them? or just, idk, mind your business? Because how does a logout macro affect YOU as a player when someone else uses it? It affects their hardcore experience. Not yours. So stick to whatever it is you do instead of complaining about people "nOt plAyiNG hARDcoRe riGhT", how they play doesn't affect your gaming experience in the slightest.

[@uncleardistress]

Imagine resorting to combat logging in a PVE game

[@DarkesLuk]

Why play hardcore if you logout in those situations lol

[@7thRoseHalo]

Quin is God-tier gamer

[@kalle26725]

Look: These "Pros" are only good when loggin out ^^

[@chriskeel3096]

hahaha at all you "elitists" that are actually getting exposed because you cant exploit

[@nickmegert4662]

It seems like a pretty easy exploit to have cast while damage taken and portal gem linked for instant outs.

[@zigisamblak]

dogtamer classic

[@synnbol]

Create a macro that uses a portal scroll.

[@Burdi_mate]

Why u even play HC if u logout ? no sense at all ...... this rule IS POG !!

[@florinconstantin505]

Rubber banding, laggy servers and DC's seem valid reason to counter with a logout macro tbh.

[@dcko1979]

All that crap is legitimized by famous streamers this way.

[@MiSSiNGAFeW1]

Maybe if you had some self awareness. They are improving the game. Thats what you said, right??

[@theannualantagonist5930]

FAILED VENTURE INC as always

[@kordiggity420]

mathil is like 5'6 also

[@tygerlillee]

lol if you can log out before you die, it isn't HC

[@richardmcgowan1651]

HC with logout isnt HC.