"Worst Diablo 4 take I've ever seen..." - Quin Reacts to Paul Tassi on Diablo 4 Seasons

[@GhostOfRedSeas]

Destiny 2 Player here, and got top 100 Hardcore Lv 100 at D4 release, I know very well how Paul Tassi usually plays his destiny 2 and other RPG/ARPGS game, he is looking at Diablo 4 seasonal mechanic from the eyes of the Destiny2 Seasonal system. In Destiny 2 you relevel your power level through pinnacle gear to get back to that pinnacle cap every season ( until last season where they effectively stopped that too) I just feel he is a bt dissociated about season systems from probably his bias of Destiny2 (IMO).

[@Shmanceypants]

That's exactly what it is. His bar is so low from that aids game he just thinks everything else will be that low of quality. Sad really.

[@huckles6054]

Most sane response in here

[@Fidtz]

Imagine comparing a new game to a really really shit game while thinking the really really shit game is actually good.

[@howeirdgaming4386]

Destiny in by no means a shit game. It's a different vibe. A lot of people know n play destiny so it's wildly popular. Just a different genre.

[@chrisdfx1]

I started playing Diablo 3 after being a Destiny player too and I thought Diablo seasons were stupid. But after playing them, I wouldn't play Diablo at all if the seasons weren't the way they were. It keeps the game fresh and it's the best part of the game imo.

[@benjaminfrost2780]

10 dollar battle pass has many cosmetics in it. All for 10 dollars. Vs 15 to 28 dollar skins. thats the difference on that one Quin

[@nahmate6584]

Yea, that seemed pretty obvious to me that the dude just mean the BP was much better value...

[@RealityDysfunction85]

D4 is in a weird place. They have MMOified it but not put in an MMO end game with bosses to aim at. It just feel weird atm

[@vinodsiba4823]

the end game bosses are diablo mephisto and baal, if you are this dumb you dont realise they will come out sooner or later, i feel sad for you and the people around you that have to endure your stupidity lmao

[@ATXAdventure]

100% they made leveling the content which is why its so slow. Its going to make the seasons a dubious proposition. Hopefully they build out a backlog of endgame content which reduces their focus on pure leveling as the game's focus.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@ATXAdventure the game has been out for 2 weeks my guy, relax.

[@ATXAdventure]

​@MGC-XIII I'm good, game has great bones. It's just a matter of waiting. I'm betting it starts coming into its own around season 4 or 5.

[@Tunobe86]

​@@ATXAdventuretwo weeks in... Relax...

[@Straggler8]

You know you are in for a ride when Quin is the reasonable and sane one.

[@sweatshopkids]

He keeps pausing the video nonstop and stuttering uncontrollably. There's some mental illness going on.

[@Hysorn]

​@@sweatshopkidsI was about to say, reasonably sure, but Quin just ain't sane

[@123nicanor]

@@sweatshopkids HAHAHAHA Damn

[@fatsnack5]

I think that guy doesn't enjoy playing an action rpg but for some reason tries to play them. He kind of sounds like he doesn't even really enjoy video games anymore lol.

[@taks1993]

i dunno for a person speed running multiple characters to 100 saying its not about getting to 100 is kinda insane lol

[@jun3078]

When I was 12 playing bnet d2 I literally thought the same when they introduced seasonal ladder then I quickly realise it is way more fun to start over and experience new builds, character etc

[@subzero308]

Na its stupid and always has been... If people wanna start over fine but people who don't wanna do that shouldn't be forced too that is y I stop playing after the first season comes out.. Stupid and pointless sunsetting.

[@JimmyTheAI]

It would be, but the addition of respecs and potentionaly loadouts renders this not viable. When you make a build and you figure out that its not good or you dont like it, the season would gave a reason to make a new character. If there is free respec or even loadout you will just change the skills and play defferent maxed out character, meaning if you try out all the classes there is nothing new unless added. Not sure about D2 but from Poe viewpoint, Its not easy to respec, so you make a new character "oh no i hate making new characters just because i messed up!" " dont you worry there is new content if you do!" "yaay". Perfect loadout game is GW2 in my opinion. But that game has the top notch horizontal progression and there is so much conent that you cna say yup, I ll never do this, and you ll meet ppl that would enver do the content you are doing and you all would have a great time with the same characters from the start.

[@jun3078]

@@subzero308 Of course you can think its stupid but im afraid that you are in the vast minority and it isnt forced as well. I rmb going back to my non seasonal characters sometimes to do casual pvp or farm high tier runewords.

[@jun3078]

@@JimmyTheAI I have to disagree, it is not about the respec cost for me(im sure others too) its about trying new builds WHILE keeping the old build Ive min-maxed, seasonal releases gives motivation to create yet another amazing build to add to collection of unique characters built, the sense of target farming for the new build is great too and not just taking whatever leftover gear for other build to respec into.

[@JimmyTheAI]

@@jun3078 Might be, but you essentialy gonna farm 300+ hours to get the same stuff (I play rapidfire build i saved all the best rolls of every other aspect and top rolls for different builds if i ever wanted to swap) You min max your build, lets say defeat lilith 1/3 into the season, are you gonna start a new char or put down the gear to stash, and try to whip up new build with the leftover gear and min max that build. At least i usualy do that. And if they were to give me loadouts, i would made it into loudaout, because it makes sense and sooner or later i would have tried everything there is with rogue, and saved the best ones within probably a season. New season rolls in and i have a choice to make, play the rogue again, hoping there will be some changes so its not the same, or try to lvl with the best setup or play a different character. And then the next season and so on. So as you said I actually kept all the gear and i can swap easily but now in season 3 I have 3 rogues in eternal realm that are basically the same. Thats why i always defended higher respec costs, that way those 3 would be quite unique now the only difference is minor 1% stat changes on gear. So yes its exciting to do a few times but also very exhausting and i dare to say boring after you did all the classes by season 5.

[@KeepitABuck50]

Tassi is a veteran Destiny 2 player. He's looking at Diablo 4 seasons through a Destiny 2 lense. In Destiny 2 your character just rolls over into season after season. You dont have to re level or anything. You get your loot in Destiny 2 and then wait for the next season to do the new content and grind for the new loot. So he's hoping Diablo 4 adopts the same seasonal model. He's experiencing growing pains.....He wants to have his powerful character that he's leveled up be relevant and then just have seasons be mini expansions that add to the story to jump into every time a new season comes out. He wants that Destiny 2 dripfeed.

[@Ninjippo]

He’s one of the ppl that begged to not have to level in Destiny. Everyone just wants the new guns now and is done with the season

[@KeepitABuck50]

@@Ninjippo Exactly! Destiny 2 is stale now

[@Bound4Earth]

Yeah they got him hooked on that Destiny 2 fuck the player until they pay us model.

[@jareddavulture58]

For someone who’s supposed to review video games for a living, that’s really bad to compare any games through his fav games lender imo

[@SlomoStee]

D2, D3 and POE all have ladders/seasons/leagues, this is not new to the ARPG genre.

[@steadychasingmoneybands6213]

they also have ways to respec... lol

[@SlomoStee]

@@steadychasingmoneybands6213 you can respec in D4 easier than POE. The issue with D4 is the awful inventory system.

[@JustRandomStuff31]

I’ve re speced 4 times already on my Barb. You farm for yellows and sell a few storage tabs and you make all your money back. Pretty simple.

[@JonneBackhaus]

Also without the seasonal model the powercreep would be fucking horrible, like in destiny which he loves

[@TheDekozoide]

The guy is confusing seasons with expansions....

[@Magicduelshelper1]

So many people seem to just want play diablo for a week, full max a char then go back to their main game

[@jword1]

That is literally what seasons in ARPGs are

[@antimitsu]

Yeah that's... kind of the point...

[@excaligaming2435]

that is literally the point.

[@Magicduelshelper1]

I get seasons. I play a character until its "done", start a new one or play something else. Everyone seems to want max level, gg gear in 2 hours. Might as well bring back D3 sets at this point.

[@adamblake2614]

@@Magicduelshelper1 I agree, people seem to want this to be like d3. play for 2 hours have a set that lets you do the hardest difficulty, farm that for 3 days get gg gear, push rifts and quit. I enjoy d4 taking at least a few days to get a character into t4 and a few more to get a build rolling.

[@itsJets]

People coming in from other gaming communities have the most smooth brain takes on arpgs. I wish they would just not make videos on D4, they add nothing to the discussion

[@Hackerspawn]

All of this wouldn't be such a mess if there wasn't a Seasonpass attached that has exclusive cosmetics and stuff bound to it. That is literally the entire appeal to Seasons for me. I don't give a fuck about Leaderboards. I do however care about new content and cosmetics. So being able to clone a Eternal Realm character to grind out the Seasonpass while being excluded from the Leaderboards would be perfect for me. Additionally this entire releveling new Characters is a absolute no go for anyone that has any responsabilities other than being a Streamer or unemployed.

[@razor5694]

​@@slamscum2786What if you also like other games?

[@gagec5696]

@@razor5694 Well Diablo Devs should not be balancing the game around the idea their player base wants to play other games lol

[@Beefy667]

People are unhappy with seasons because this game is full of a bunch of different content that is only fun once and they don't wanna do it again. I love D2 seasons because I can pick up a character and get to end-game farming relatively quickly, my character will have spots to farm solo and spots to farm in a group. The path to my endgame farming is quick and fun and most of my time is spent doing the things I want to do in an arpg, trying out new builds and farming. Seasonal content in D4 is making me nervous as I just finished doing a bunch of busy work on my eternal realm character and have no desire to do it again on a new seasonal character. I'll give the season a shot, as I do wanna see what sort of content they give us but have very low expectations.

[@christianbartl1982]

Some people have nothing else going in their lives and can easily spend 1000s of hours in one game, frickin losers. I also don't need seasonal garbage. Maybe to check out real quick but it's just a dumb system to have to restart

[@LizardMammaryGlands]

I really understand what is the appeal of the game for him. It's the same for me. That is why I don't usually play seasons, or if I ever fall out of a season after it finishes I just don't give a shit. No need to change the game, just change how you experience it. Also, for most people who don't get into build guides the game is going to take long enough to master with any class that the whole point of dismissing seasons becomes moot. Afterall, you don't need to play seasons, and they're there to ADD content to the game.

[@immatoll4375]

I mean he is not completely wrong. Currently Diablo 4 early game is not that much fun to "level again" in my opinion because World Tier 1-3 are absolutely waste of time once you "experienced the journey before season". The leveling phase is absolutely not fun, because most classes have bad ressource management early game (e.g. Barb) and are just not fun to play. This is even more worse when you have no additional skillpoints from reknown early or paragon at 50 or "required" aspects you only get in +45 dungeons. Currently I just do not want to do all that shit again even if we have lilith satues and the open map. It just feels like assasins creed bullshit. May they should put the Paragon Points in Step 4 at least. Also I do not think that quin is that right with the journey, because there is no real journey in D4 compared to something like PoE or Last Epoch: You never find a good item or unique before Level 50 that you may wear till level 60+ like in other ARPGs. NEVER. You swap into WT3 to get sacred gear or WT4 to get ancestral gear. The issue here is that if you go into WT4 early and get your first weapon on Level 60 you damage almost doubles. So what will be the season future? You will try to skip Tier 1-3 because you can not find any endgame gear before it. That is the reality. And if you start 1-2 days later you just ask a friend if he can pushes you to 50-60 within 2-3 hours. Conclusion: The leveling journey for skillpoints is almost no fun, because you never feel really strong while leveling as in PoE or Last Epoch. You are never excited for any special gear because you wont use any "uniques" (or aspects) with good rolls while leveling. The skilltree of most classes is pretty linear and boring - also the impact of passives is so irrelevant (e.g. 10% damage increase for 3-4 points / levels while leveling feels like nothing but can be a strong multiplicator in endgame).

[@twistedumbrella7537]

I heard that seasonal content does not go to the eternal realm after the season ends though, unlike POE. If this is true, then you have no choice but to play season to season if you want to ever experience the updated content.

[@gabbonoo]

@@twistedumbrella7537 season stuff like items and zones will be released at the same time on both eternal and seasonal. New mechanics n similar experimental stuff will likely be kept only on season server unless it's popular. There should be season based rewards (likely insignificant power-wise) that can only be attained through season accomplishment.

[@LizardMammaryGlands]

@@twistedumbrella7537 if that is the case, then yeah, that's pretty shit. I get the fincancial motivation blizzard has in doing this, but even so it would feel natural if they added this content to the game in the form of an expansion/season(s), and just put a price on the new content being added to the main game.

[@MegaGHFan]

This is the very first time I play a Diablo game. And I was eager to start leveling other classes. Now that I know how seasons work I will wait to level an alt character once season 1 starts and just have fun with my barbarian now

[@supe861]

I think the key thing is tbat you wouldnt be leveling an alt. You start at the season so you choose what to main that season. Its just the wording that makes a difference as im also not going to make an alt here and rather main something else in the season

[@MegaGHFan]

@@supe861 yeah that’s essentially what I meant. And I personally like the idea of starting fresh with a new main, I don’t see why a lot of people are upset over this.

[@AdamTuxTengler]

I think building the same character, but with some new twist (new items/paragon boards maybe?), while playing some new seasonal mechanic is fun too. But using seasons to experiment with new classes is also a way to go.

[@SuperKribbe88]

You should play D2R then, way better.

[@StuckontheSticks]

🎉 YOU GET IT!!! Welcome to ARPG’s

[@maysovulta8574]

ok, coming from a new player of diablo. I had no clue how the seasonal model and game progression fully worked. neither did Paul Tassi obviously. but just watching this clip of you and your chat berate him for not understanding the concept of an ARPG is rough. I'm so glad that every game I try to play there's a bunch of vet's who shit talk new players rather than give helpful insight.

[@Loiner-14]

Gotta love Quin hatewatching, literally best content.

[@pyllyvanukas]

Anything is better than watching him play d4/10

[@VimDoozy]

I don't think it's the time investment that's chiefly responsible for some player's aversion to starting over with a new season. I think these players actually don't enjoy the core gameplay that much, so their primary motivator is the desire to achieve the end goal; in this case, a maxed out character. If the end goal was locked behind a 200 hour journey that was an absolute blast, I don't think they'd turn up their noses at the prospect of starting over.

[@demonseed360]

This is the correct answer. From my observations, it seems like the big task or goal for these guys in the current version of the game is to max out a character. You do that once and of course, it gets old fast. I play PoE and my goal is never simply to "level a witch to max," for example. I try out different builds. The fun for me comes from the journey of making a build. And PoE's possibilities are endless when it comes to that kind of content. So I have no problem making new characters over and over again, because I know that my experiences will be different and I'll always have a new goal to look forward to. Combine that with huge balance changes and tons of new systems, skills, season-specific bosses and items, aspirational content, etc. When done well, seasons are the lifeblood of an ARPG, refreshing the game every few months and keeping veterans returning. The guy in the video seems to be looking at Diablo 4 like an MMORPG, in which players sit on level 100 characters, waiting for new content to steamroll every now and then.

[@WozLee]

"It's AbOuT tHe JoUrNeY, nOt ThE dEsTiNaTiOn!" - smash cut to Blizzard engraving the first level 100s onto a f-ing statue.

[@waiora_wf]

@Quin69 You missed the point, this guy will be responsible for a $20 char transfer from eternal to seasons, and then blizz will justify it "the players wanted that"

[@newax_productions2069]

The only thing i could get behind is making the leveling from 1-50 much faster for seasons so that people can actually reach the endgame which is the entire point of diablo games.

[@Zanza1122]

1-50 is already super fast compared to the the other half, if anything they should speed the grind to 100.

[@frenchdream330]

It’s still a grinding game, the point is to level in dungeons or do some open world activities, there is no point rushing to endgame because in d3 you could get in endgame in a few hours thanks to headrig gift. To have some character progression, in d3 you dropped the game after few days because you were already cruising in gr130 so it got boring, I think they want to avoid that

[@newax_productions2069]

@@Zanza1122 lmfao 1-50 took me 9 hours that is not super fast. When i can pop into diablo 3 and get from 1-70 in around 3 hours.

[@newax_productions2069]

@@frenchdream330 1-50 is literally nothing, it holds zero beneficial gameplay outside of the campaign. Leveling an alt was a slog and a half(to the point i almost quit playing) doing that every single season is going to be hell. you are right it is a grinding game, not a level grinding game but a gear grinding game. seeing as how all the gear from 1-50 is useless in wt3 just make that 1-50 quicker.

[@WozLee]

1-50 literally takes like 40 minutes.

[@Braxtonkai]

the guy literally answered his own question, seasons aren't for him. Guy: " Man, I want to enjoy what those people are having fun with, but I don't want to do the work. Let's ruin for everyone"

[@dwizzle2132]

You couldnt have said it any better

[@shakyyeti2641]

ya lol

[@sohsuh7625]

He's an ultra casual Destiny player.

[@reachcole514]

Seasons aren't going to be for 90% of the playerbase

[@sohsuh7625]

@@reachcole514 sure they are. You underestimate gamers willing to adapt to a good game. Once they realize the joy in ARPGs is the journey, not the destination, lots of them will come around.

[@jonr7364]

dude is a "games journalist" who writes for forbes. Hes totally clueless and is a destiny 2 main. Tells you all you need to know.

[@scottwade1054]

The journey is whats important. You are absolutely right. Thats the appeal for me with RPGs. I live for testing my builds, finding out the magic formula that has me start poppin off. I live for the grind, finding that perfect item. I live for the experience of the story and world. Reaching max level is the death of a character for me. This man understands...subscribed! Keep it up.

[@FlashesSoccer011]

If the journey is what matters, then why do you care how others chose to partake in their journey? Your entire comment is a contradiction. This is the biggest issue with people like this content creator, and the people that follow him. Yall are hypocrites. You don't care about how anyone else experiences the game, unless its the way you think they should. No one is stopping you from making new characters, so why are you trying to stop others from playing on the same ones? You are gatekeeping the game from newer players because you think they are trying to play the game wrong. Why do you even care? Can your fragile ego not handle the fact that someone wants to enjoy the game a different way than you?

[@Demogrim]

"Loadout undermines the fundamental identity of the game, it removes permanence" - "The point of the game is to replay a different character over n over".

[@moomcmoosson1992]

There is no permanence either way. You can change builds at any time right now. It's just more tedious the further you are along with your character. Mainly because there is no Refund all for the Paragon boards. I don't know if i need loadouts, though. They could help with stash space though.

[@Ripknotz]

this fella plays on controller in the living room, 2 metres away and definitely washes down his marathon 2 hour weekly sesh with an ipa or if he's feeling cheeky 2 :^)

[@Cabbage22927]

Controller in the living room is superior. Idc what anyone says.

[@bubbeex1963]

Seasons are great. At first i was against it in diablo3. But after my first season, i never went back and only played season

[@YGXP.]

15:01 holy shit he just explained Destiny

[@notacopa]

Imagine wanting Diablo to change what it’s been doing for literal decades lmao. Holy shit. Go back to Destiny.

[@CrabJuice83]

"gO bAck to ReTaiL" basically.

[@user36003]

You mean having less and less ppl playing diablo cose ppl get burn out of redoing it? Ofc we will go back to destiny/wow/CoD/lost ark or anything other

[@steadychasingmoneybands6213]

it literally did change what its been doing...

[@Cabbage22927]

@@steadychasingmoneybands6213 it needs to change more

[@caiuscosades362]

I don't think this guy would have this take if this game's grind wasn't obviously balanced around an optimal leveling mechanic which isn't in the game yet because it will be the premiere season 1 mechanic which everyone will think blizzard are geniuses for implementing.

[@motleyflux]

Moving them to the eternal realm after the season ends "is a pretty significant change"? Umm, am I not understanding what he is saying? D3 did it, wtf is he going on about?

[@Greenleaf_]

Implying this guy ever played a season in diablo 3.

[@Take_The_Ride]

He's a normie

[@mackparker9064]

And that even happened on D2 from Ladder to non ladder lmfao. This video has so many bad takes

[@sc065]

Don't worry, he doesn't understand what he's saying either. It's like he's in a manic episode, pure word soup.

[@willbyrn5920]

@@sc065 I don’t think you know what the word manic means

[@adognamedsally]

"D3 is too hardcore, game should be more casual" How does one reach this conclusion. It blows my fucking mind. D3 was literally made for casuals.

[@benjaminfrost2780]

D4 is not for Destination goal oriented players. Quin hit that on the head. Its a journey game, not a destination game.

[@Pixiwish]

YES!

[@CoryBouLou]

If that dude found out how Escape from Tarkov worked his head would explode

[@unlockablecharacter8134]

Sounds like he’s never played a season of D2 or D3 from start to finish. … probably doesn’t bind his force move to his mouse wheel either

[@thefreedomhouse1984]

You nailed it with the destination comment he thinks it’s like a portfolio or something he doesn’t understand It’s just about playing the game.

[@gregorymifsud5389]

as an ex destiny player he is seeing it from a destiny perspective. Destiny has been battling with powercreep for years.

[@harrybenjamin8202]

This could not be more true. He primarily plays Destiny and that’s the only way he thinks.

[@IGniTo100]

Tassi is a Destiny player and Destiny is more of a loot collection game and D4 is a loot recycler game. Thats why he wants to continue playing seasons with his 100 character. Also Liriks take is based.

[@chaferraro]

The real issue here is what Quin tweeted about: After the campaign (which you will want to play only once) the game loop gets lackluster. D3 after the expansion got their game loop right and D4 isn't there yet, many pieces are still missing to make D4 replayability really enjoyable.

[@fulsome1]

Yeah you are right. Seasons are missing .....duh

[@d4mephisto]

Yes, go right on and compare Diablo 4, which has no expansions, to Diablo 3 which has one expansion. Totally fair comparison... /s

[@Username_CC_]

Big L that campaign was a$$

[@nikovz4719]

@@d4mephisto😂😂 imagine being upset over decade mechanics these people upset over arpg grind mechanics 💀💀 NEWS FLASH ALMOST ANYTHING DEALING WITH VIDEO GAMES IS REPETITIVE

[@Sephiroso.]

@@fulsome1 If you think seasons are gonna fix D4's end game issues, you are naive as fuck.

[@shredhead67]

He's approaching it like Destiny.

[@123nicanor]

I don't get it. It sounds like this guy doesn't understand what seasons are? There's no way right? It sounds like he was playing Diablo 2 or something but he seems confused what seasons are? Its like he read about it... then interprets it with his own (wrong?) understanding? Could just be me. Its hella weird

[@user36003]

Different games "seasons" work differently go look at lost ark , if blizz does same shit with d4 like they did with d3 that you just redo the whole game just with slightly different gear/stats/1 maybe sometimes system then it will be a trash same as d3 no one wants in reality to have season 33 and redo all you did already its just lazy and nothing more

[@kenallsop7502]

The thing Quin says at 15 minutes nails it - Tassi is expecting seasons to work like Destiny (a game he plays a lot), where each season you get slightly better gear and all the stuff you had is largely invalidated (or you invest in upgrading what you had to match the new stuff).

[@Ultrajamz]

I agree with Quin except I like loadouts (but don’t make it cheap to swap loadouts, keep the same cost as it is now just give me a way to save a load out so I can A/B test)

[@d4mephisto]

Also wtf is this guy talking about? "if you got a barb to 100, you're probably not gonna wanna do that again" My guy, I am going to play Barb in EVERY SEASON FOREVER ONWARD. All I am going to do is re-level a Barb, season after season. You could NOT be more wrong, Mr. Tassi. Lol.

[@IGniTo100]

Here is a living and breathing definition of insanity.

[@Cabbage22927]

Lmao fucking why

[@Pixiwish]

First video of yours I've watched, but great points! You nailed it! How can someone who writes about games FOR A LIVNG !NOT! have known seasons were part of D4 until now? Really? HOW? This wasn't a secret? He asked what can you eternal character do during a season? Let's say eternal realm got season content ok fine. What are you going to do? You're level 100 already? Maybe try out the 1 new aspect for your class or try to get 14% crit instead of 13%? Or are you trying to make this an MMO where if I don't play for a couple months I have weeks worth of doing catch up chores and dailies BS to play the new content? Go play an MMO. Totally agree! Keep him away from the devs! I'm going to start tweeting MMO devs saying I want seasonal resets because it makes sense to want to make someone else's genre mine right? The guy at the end wanting Lost Ark content? Please no no no! You mean daily chaos dungeons and weekly dungeon lock outs? That game has P2W progression and has to be the worst example you could give! Get out of here! Lastly, I really don't see you ever having to hit level 100. I have a feeling the battle pass is going to finish around the time you enter T4 or shortly after.

[@raenielmendoza3410]

So he's upset that he did alts in non-season, since he could've done that during season instead, then they transfer after. He thinks it's a waste of time. Not sure why he kept comparing to D3, since the seasons played the same way there.

[@davidbousi7845]

Levelling d3 chars didn’t take hundreds of hours lol

[@tkelly6121]

They want to play an mmo where they can have 1 main and invest they time in that main. Not repeat content.

[@Cale779]

@@tkelly6121exactly, seasons will be there for people who like that, but there needs to be something there for those of us who don’t. The whole if you don’t like seasons then don’t play the game mentality is just ridiculous.

[@1337awesomeness]

​@@Cale779If they follow how PoE attracts its player base with Leagues then it will probably be like a pseudo beta test for new core game mechanics, new items, or even a new key word that changes how loot works. Let em cook imo. Unlocking the majority of the map for a second time has me a little iffy though.

[@reachcole514]

It is a waste of time

[@softaco3088]

OG d2 did not reset. neither did D1. Yes, I'm old. I was there. I don't even remember D3 resetting the first year it came out (All I played of that version). This is a new thing.

[@oxsila]

It's the path of exile elitists that's literally all it is lol

[@softaco3088]

@oxsila reading the comments it looks like a lot of people think this is POE lol

[@poepplays4489]

Bro is just a Standard Andy. That's all there is to it. He doesn't enjoy seasonal character grinds and that's fine. His loss. But god it was painful listening him explain why.

[@seb3209]

I think this guy and Lirik have a point. The biggest problem I see is that this game is not like D3 or PoE, the MMO aspect it goes for makes it less replayable than those games, where progression is intended to be fast, but its also not entirely on the MMO side like Lost Ark is. The fact that you can skip the story is problematic to the extent that it deprives D4 of what little content variation there is for its seasons - at least compared to PoE. I may be wrong about this but I don't think PoE would be as compelling as it is if you could just skip to maps every new season for various reasons. On the other hand, replaying Lost Ark from scratch would be insanely boring, and that game obviously has skips for alts, and it does not have seasonal resets like D4 does. The point is that D4 occupies that uncomfortable middle ground where it neither has enough MMO-like content to keep it entertaining, whilst having a story and systems that are too mmo-like (altars and whole renown system in general) to be replayed every season. I don't think there is a satisfying fix for this, the problem is at the core of the design philosophy, and my prediction is that the game will fail to keep a significant seasonal audience as a result.

[@deathcrush8]

I guess casuals are going to kill this game after all

[@reachcole514]

Well Diablo is easily gonna lose at least 80% of its playerbase by the time the second season rolls around.

[@999-n9d]

sure feels it

[@drgodbout]

I'm casual and I like seasons. I'm level 60 now on my rogue and still enjoy playing 45 mins - 1h a day. The seasons are so long that there is place for casual that just wanna experience the game again and harcore players that wanna race to lvl 100 and min max. Also, isn't there a non seasonal server that you can play with ? So what's the point of getting angry about seasons if it is an option lol.

[@mopedale]

- we need more of the continent (south) and rifts to other areas - runes/runewords - sets - cube - charms - wt5 - zdps monk, paladin/crusader, zon, wd, and some new ones - clan 4v4 and 2v2, in separate zones with cool castles and strongholds; rotate which clans battle on a weekly basis based on MMR, and clan roster # (under 49, 50-99, 100-249, 250-499, 500-1000). Top 2 vs; and low 2 vs in the 2v2 region which effects boons in the 4v4 - clan town hub, with gold sink customization, rare drop blueprints, trophy room, bank, hearthstone - crafting/professions. We need a sink for overflow of materials. armor/weapon/aspect crafting, maybe for clan town stuff like carpenter. make it huge values so it encourages all guild members to stash overflow in bank to put twords something monumental - trade market, overhaul trading - more world bosses (so awesome) - open world raids, dedicated regions for each, (reset 1 to 3 hours) where all ppl loaded into a shard can see a grid of each other and on map to group up - dps meter, or extension/plugin/addon allowance - better chat windows (combat/xp) - /commands such as /played /f list /rtd - view item stats on ground button - fix incense achievement - add ability to share side quests, view parties questlog/progress - banners (d3) built in ping map function - skill templates, build templates/armory to switch from, same with paragon, tied to user set gear sets with a designated stash tab per character for up to 2 other build items sets. Use same character sheet hud - toggle nameplates for NPC's in town - separate the map by region (have an outline for each) - sorting options on the map (dungeons ONLY that give affixes for your class if discovered) - dungeon finder that works with all major instances such as world bosses, helltide, sigils, pvp, future raid etc - more capstones - target farming incentives and bosses - variable character level item drops +/- (incentive to get that next character level and give lowbie gear to alts) - zones/mobs with set treasure class values - sort button parameters (alphabetical, item level, type) - ethereal - merc/followers (shift+q to heal, inventory/skill tree) - omit double tapping map to see hover over details - in clan quarters, have a trading district where members can submit items to a table and other members can offer pending items and gold for trade (guild officer set times) - bounty board in clan and main hubs (random world elite, boss, and dungeon boss spawn targets, around the world edition) - Darkening of Tristram anniversary event - one shared stash tab, others are character specific like d2r - loot filters I just want this to be the best arpg of all time and with these additions feel it very well could be. Thank you ✌

[@TomXander]

All my friends are asking the same thing that paul is saying. They aren't Diablo or PoE players but they started playing D4. They levelled a char and they know about the coming seasons but when they heard they had to make new characters every season, they weren't too stoked about it. The problem here is not the new character needing to be made but the really bad levelling experiences outside of the campaign and the insane level/paragon grind after 50 or even 70. As a long term PoE and D3 player, I don't mind this at all, but as a solo D4 player, I don't like the grind one bit. Too much time is needed to get anywhere in the game now that everything is either nerfed or toned down so much it's bad for solo players.

[@DLJPal]

for this they are going to update Nightmare dungeons to have a instant TP so you don't need to travel to each one. However i agree that if renown got completely reset, it would definitely be a nuisance! I've also struggled with the Solo grind experience and playing purely barbarian, my friend kept talking about it like, they loved using WW, but had to default to Hota to beat any significant event. when I'm just over here using rend and taking time to kill anything big xD. The grind sucks, the prospect of grinding from 1-?? + renown + bumping up each WT seems extremely tedious to me Dx

[@TomXander]

@@DLJPal Yep. The solo experience is hell lol That's the thing though. Anyways, let's wait and see if they make the changes when the season starts. I've been playing d3 for years so i kinda trust they will keep making d4 better over time in terms of QoL. The only thing i wish they did better was learn from all the good they had in d3 and not be afraid to pull those learnings into this instead of playing it safe.

[@DLJPal]

@@TomXander I would absolutely love to see something of a improvement to the general seasonal content and general reset. I did the same played d3 near consistently for 1 week minimum per season over basically 10 years xD Where the update to the season theme was minor and left a lot to be desired especially comparing it to the likes of POE (there is such a thing as too much - POE) I would love to believe the first season of D4 is gonna be anything other than purely addressing the state of resets with some kind of substantial content, but I'm taking that with a pinch of salt and gonna expect the bare minimum for the first few seasons.

[@KonjouS]

I think the biggest factor is the d4 has little variability to make that progression through "acts" as interesting as something like POE. Everytime i play a build in POE its a new skill each time, built with uniques that i dont always use and so on. The economy also adds another layer of replayability in which a fresh start gives you that opportunity to get "rich" early. And i play multiple toons per league. D4 allows you to try every skill for a class in a single playthrough and switch between them with little to no gear changes or cost. Unless they are adding a bunch of new skills for each class, new world activities and seasonal content that enables new activities poe which is in every zone, your playthrough is gonna feel pretty close to eternal until you get to the new endgame dungeon or wtv they decide to add.

[@KonjouS]

@@darkbrandonn1313 sorry maybe variability might not be the word. What I mean is that I play a different build to league start every league in POE, in d4 you would likely try different skills available to that class and switch depending on whichever aspect you drop. So there's not really an incentive to play barb two times in a row considering you probably switched through all the skills in your first playthrough. This is of course only my opinion because I know POE players who play RF every league or Boneshatter every league. Also drops in POE acts do matter more than you claim because base types matter and ilvl matters when you craft. I don't like to die so every so often I do upgrade my defences in acts( simple essence or alch slam + crafting bench) . Leveling uniques still get the most advanced players hyped if their dropped in acts at league start. Oh my fastest act 1 -10 was 5hrs 30 at league start but average around 6-7 hours LS.

[@tatelotus7327]

"i really enjoy destiny" but also "i play one hour a week of destiny"

[@LeonLeese-m2e]

He literally wants to change the game into something that fits his schedule 😂

[@roshunepp]

Why do you NEED "character identity" or "permanence"?

[@SpudNug69]

Diablo 3 was my 1st ARPG that I fully bought into and the 1st time it happened the reset felt bad. Fast forward to now and the new season is easily the best part of POE. I've since played pretty much all the good ARPGs and feel sad when they don't have seasonal content

[@James.Hill.]

Destiny 2 gave Paul Tassi brain rot. It's so overwhelming causal

[@EpicKungFuGrip]

Paul has MMO brain rot is all. He's used to Destiny where you just do the new content and doesn't understand the entire fun of Diablo is the leveling experience and the endgame is just the reward between seasons while you enjoy your work.

[@somthingsomthing1]

Quin only plays these types of games too he has a closed mind to any other path

[@LilPiga]

Think the graph at 24:50 is more an s-graph instead of this, as where 1-50 is the first half with unlocking all skills and gear and then 51-100 the second half with the paragon board and min maxing the gear.

[@kinash1612]

Basically, he consider Diablo 4 as a mmorpg game. So he can't get the idea of releveling a class that you already leveled up. Cuz it doesn't make any sense in any mmorpg game. It's that simple😅

[@jeezyyplays6234]

Yeah im feeling the same way about these seasons, this is my first diablo game so this is strange to me

[@minidude112]

(as commented on Zizarans vid.) I've played a lot - of games in basically every other genre. I think the core issue here is actually that WHILE playing the game you want to keep building on your work. It is like if in Minecraft, or Sons of the Forest, or frankly most games where you build something it is suddenly removed by someone else then you - or - almost as bad - the game's new content enforces you to restart, essentially removing your content or at least a huge chunk of it. If you build a character, or whatever - most would naturally want to keep on building without redoing any crumble of it - this is the fantasy most games building something holds on to - building to the infinity - unless that is what you set off to do - like replaying a campaign on ur fav. games.

[@lukeluckynblue1873]

Yes but ARPG is not like that? the experience every season is a new fresh and you shouldn't be so attach to your character I did so many character over multiple season in POE/Diablo 3 they are all there siting and everytime i look at them i'm like hell yeah this season was awesome or this mechanics was cool etc World of warcraft is having what people want the eternal progression and keeping your characters through multiple tiers of content..as i said i have my druid/paladin since forever in world of warcraft everytime time new content launches or expansions starts i play them so they have a lot of stuff already ..i would be mad if they took that away in World of warcraft and reset ..but that is a MMO diablo 4 is arpg there you can build your character in 2 or 3 days in world of warcraft it takes months to get best gear

[@minidude112]

@@lukeluckynblue1873 no true, ARPGs has this mechanic as a core. The problem is ARPGs is niche. Lets be honest here. The "closest" mainstream relative is probably MMOs. D4 is likely the one game that has made ARPGs casual like Total war warhammer 2 did to the RTS turn based hybrid genre. Making niche genres casual in the modern day has its own problems. Mostly in terms of norms and expectations, but still. What TWW series do that was so genius to accomedate the casual audience is an equivalent to if most of D4s new content would be new characters. Like in 5 years there would be 30. This would make every run so vastly different that dungeon esce games twist in the genres would be non existent

[@minidude112]

@@lukeluckynblue1873 totally understand where you are coming from though! Replayability is what every games want and it is the one thing ARPGs are built around. And there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is, I am attached to my characters. Very much so in fact. Ill ofc give seasons a try, maybe ill love it. But there is a reason many are outing their concerns. Die hard fans to the ARPG genre would be surprised about the magnitude here. It could work itself out. I frankly hope it will. And I know keep on piling end game content as new content has its own risks. However, as mentioned, having a game built around building a character, but not wanting you to grow attached.. well. You know how that sounds at least right?

[@eddyspeddy]

I have a character for every class. Even then, I still look forward to a new season, because there's atleast 3 good ways to build each class.

[@brainsniffer]

I already got the plumber to the castle, why start over?

[@AB21]

This dude would combust if he ever played PoE lol. These casuals better not ruin PoE 2, but I trust Chris Wilson the GOAT to stick to his vision.

[@RobbieF1990]

He's just got a totally selfish take, he wants to come in blast new content, write a little blog, log off. Bad take for most people. people like "Paul" shouldnt be writing about games. He's not a gamer.

[@triage_inc5843]

Good video. Longevity of D4 belongs to the veterans.

[@Ascending4]

Agreed

[@amesasw]

If anything this is showing us that d4 has brought in lots of non ARPG players, which is cool

[@kannnnn392]

Season is the only thing i keep going back to D3 having a blast for 2-3 weeks drop the game and wait for the next season. Which is very nice

[@krazyd0nut404]

Then again not for everyone, I done a few in d3, it’s boring.. at least I can get to end game in a few hr. Then rift Al the damn time? This is a new crowd, the hardcore can’t carry this game. Things needs to change.. casual is ur target market.

[@razor5694]

So you play a 3 month season for 3 weeks and you're done?

[@geugen14]

​@@razor5694yep, there are more games and activities than diablo out there, you dont need to spend 100% of your free time on it forever and ever

[@kannnnn392]

@@razor5694 yea once i get to maybe 1000 paragon (might be equalvalent to nightmare 60-70) farm everything have everything kinda mid tier maxout. Done all content get all the season reward. Im just done and wait for new season. Also I try to rotate class every season to keep it fresh.

[@kannnnn392]

@@krazyd0nut404 have to wait and see, persoanlly will give it a try. If it shit i will just drop it and wait like D3. I dont play D3 every season only the one im interest in.

[@stevemps11]

Paul Tassi comes from the destiny community LMFAO so yea he wants to log into the game once a week for 15 minutes and be given all the best loot in the game

[@willbyrn5920]

That’s not how destiny works tho.

[@Ninjippo]

That is exactly how destiny works now. Pretty much everything in a season can be done in about 2-3 hours per week

[@stevemps11]

@@willbyrn5920 are u really sure though……

[@azriaxxx]

"omg someone has a different opinion this is such a bad take"... these fking gatekeepers in diablo, i don't get it. it's weird that they decide where you can and can't level your battle pass in the game. I don't mind the seasonal approach but it's crazy you can't level the battle pass in the eternal realm, it makes absolutely no sense. what are we even arguing about? people should be able to enjoy the game they want to enjoy the game without being left out of features that are only available in certain sections of the game, it's that simple. there is no downside to letting people continue their existing characters but still be able to level the battle pass

[@MrZiarD]

People that play an hour a day should not be included in EVERYTHING. that invalidates everyone that does put more time in. My gameplay experience should never change because someone doesnt like the difficulty of it. Thats where the argument lies. Altho that being said, Battlepass should be included in the normal mode as well. That is correct.

[@Crenust]

I will say that while I love PoE seasons, at least the good ones, I am not sure if I will be playing D4 seasons. For me the game does not start until end game and the time to get there in D4 is just pure cancer if you do not have friends to power level you. I am going to play the first season to see if the leveling is any better, I may even play the campaign again to avoid running the same boring dungeons ad nauseum.

[@Peanutfiendsblog]

Tassi has really good takes on other games, it's just blatantly obvious to me that he's totally new to the ARPG genre and is unknowingly ignorant of it. He should play a POE league and get an understanding on how seasons/leagues work in ARPGs.

[@fitegarr6134]

no, we need to keep as many game journalists away from poe as possible so that it is not tainted. let D4 be the sacrificial lamb so that POE can continue to do what it wants to do instead of catering to a mainstream (ugh) audience.

[@Ascending4]

True, Arpgs and seasons go hand in hand. Also, random but Tassi reacted to this reaction video lmao

[@Tandran]

It's made pretty clear in D3 that all the Paladins are dead, the only ones who survived became Crusaders.

[@XionAvalonArcadia]

This "Preseason" period was for the community to learn the classes, systems, leveling path, enjoying the story prior to "Grind, grind, grind." I went into this knowing this and learning from class weaknesses and strengths. Where you will struggle and when to upgrade gear vs save for rerolls. I have an idea of what builds I like for the class I have chosen for season 1 and if we get buffed, all the better. I now know what builds to use for farming to get gear for the "endgame" build.

[@replicant_v2]

He is thinking like a Destiny 2 player I would know because I played that game for a while. This is Diablo man he needs to understand that the devs are not going to kill this game by doing the same thing Bungie did.

[@ThePainqT]

Tbh for me, D4 was so boring to play, i went back to poe after some hours of play. Lets see how much content a D4 Season really brings. If it is just cosmetics + battlepass i will probably wait until a new Expansion comes out.

[@AB21]

Facts they better have a PoE like season plus more for me to ever touch this game again. As a matter of fact ill prob never play again once we get PoE 2.

[@arcc4]

The only reason season 1 might bring decent content is because its the common scummy practice nowadays to carve out things that could/should have been there on release since they were part of past titles, but now they can reintroduce it as 'new' content. Outside of that its very difficult for any game to have the kind of cadence and impact that PoE leagues do because most games aren't bottom-up designed like PoE is. For example, in D4 the devs can't simply add new skills to the game. They'd need to add items, aspects, paragon boards, glyphs, update the itemization, and integrate it into the skill tree just to give any new skill the same level of augmentation others have in the game. PoE devs can literally just drop a new skill in the game and be done because it automatically inherit all augmentation from supports, items, and passives from the classification tag system.

[@zergie5801]

@@AB21 Season 1 will be dope, because it will be cut content from release. All the shit that should be there. Season 2 will be anyone's guess.

[@justinmartin845]

Man maybe I’m old school coming from my wow days but leveling is part of the journey, everyone wants to rush to end game and be op now a days.

[@WTFSt0n3d]

Ladder is giving soft core players the unbelievable opportunity to experience loosing 172 hours of progress Just kidding, if you don't understand that start at lvl1 is what seasons do you are on a different plane of reality than me and there is nothing we can talk about

[@LokirofRoriksted]

Tin foil hat here: This guy was paid by blizzard to talk about that, so blizzard can have an excuse to sell instant lvl 100 for players in new seasons. Like an ultimate battle pass mode: $60, get premium battle pass +20 lvl skips + LVL100 character of your choice.

[@xZipkan]

Paul Tassi has made his career off shit takes, this honestly doesn't surprise me knowing what he writes about for Destiny 2. Also, I just went to his video. Comments are passing the vibe check and dislikes are like triple the likes.

[@READERSENPAII]

As someone who is a huge fan of loot games where hunting for legendary loot is a huge part of the fun, I understand why he feels like this. I used to be a huge destiny 1 fan and before I started to play POE, I probably would have agreed with him. The idea of grinding for loot and having it all be thrown away next season can feel really weird if you are not used to it. You just have to change your mentality when you play poe or diablo. Also, I think a lot of people like the idea of having that one game they play 365 days a year and diablo is best enjoyed played seasonally. Grind out the season on as many toons as you want, then put it away for next season. Dont get attached to the loot, because it doesn't really matter. Its much more fun this way and actually keeps you around in the community much longer. I do think loadouts could be interesting with restrictions. Maybe you could only change loadouts in sanctuary zones. Either way, thankd for content! Later homie!

[@kendalljones5540]

I feel like if you translated what he is asking for over to destiny, (which he mentioned he liked), it would mean each season there are new armor and cosmetics and content but pretty much none of it will be at a higher level than what you already have.

[@Shmanceypants]

Yeah dude doesn't understand power creep. Which is exactly what kills destiny for me. What's the point of grinding if something better is just around the corner?

[@adrastossaturn4834]

" but pretty much none of it will be at a higher level than what you already have." this is how destiny works yes there is a slight max level bump each season but that isnt tied exactly to new armour/weapons, you can still make your old weapons just as powerful

[@common_cross]

@@Shmanceypants Explain to me how Destiny has power creep because it doesn't seem like you have any idea what the world actually means other that what you think you heard influencers understand it as. In what world could you take a piece of gear from level20 or lower and solo an endgame boss with it in Diablo4.

[@Shmanceypants]

@@common_cross hahaha brother I've cleared ever raid since taken king. Been flawless countless times. I have thousands of hours in that game. Destiny is BUILT around power creep. Immortal? Literally just recluse 2.0. You are clueless mate. Also judging by that stupid second part of your comment I'm pretty sure YOU are the one who doesn't understand power creep 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@al470ex12]

Paul tassi just wants another destiny module, which is not a good one. Destiny seasons bring power creep and the only way for the devs to deal with it is nerf older guns, make odd ball mechanics and boss immune phases. Arpg’s make alts way more fun.

[@pro_moe]

This dude is the type of person that was told they are special their whole life, you can sense it in his take.

[@FlashyKG]

Dude doesnt want to have to level his characters again, but is an avid destiny player where theres a power creep every 3 months.

[@omegaxtrigun]

They stopped doing that. Power doesn’t go up with each season anymore. Only with expansions. Also even before that, going up 10 power per season is nothing compared to leveling a whole new character in a diablo game.

[@willbyrn5920]

I wouldn’t call Paul tassi an “avid” destiny player. He is literally just a casual player and writer.

[@Oroo420]

The greatest allure of seasons for a casual is carrying over those 1-3 godly items from season to eternal realm. Every season on my D3 Wiz play i added a few more godly primals to my offseason perma-Wiz. I was by no means casual in D3 but you get my point. You will find things on season you might not have ever found only playing your perma character.

[@zachdahl7311]

whereas all my shit going into standard in poe will just sit there forever and never get touched again. I'm just in for the experience of the season

[@Oroo420]

@@zachdahl7311 Yeah in a lot of cases I suppose they turn in to statues covered in trophies.

[@willbyrn5920]

@@Oroo420but in the case of Diablo 4 to get an actual “god” item that would require the 40+ hours or whatever tf it takes to get a character leveled. The process in d3 was way faster

[@reachcole514]

But the eternal realm is pointless, theres no more content there.

[@Oroo420]

I didn't expect there to be such definitive different takes on this. Each comment seems to highlight a different aspect about it. Seems indicative of how impossible it's going to be to appease the player base when it comes to seasons.

[@uppsie]

In his defense he's used to playing games like Destiny which has seasons where you mostly play one persistent character. It's very much more an MMO-style of doing things and I don't really blame someone used to that kind of system being initially turned off from the idea of resetting every season. I think it might be different if he tries it himself but ARPGs are definitely doing their own thing in this regard.

[@chrisnoctskie5869]

Sacred 2/Lost Ark are proof enough that you don't effin need seasons/leagues in an "Open World" ARPG. This is a gimmick that have worked in POE/D3... but D4 is much more streamlined for casuals and should be treated as such. Now I am a POE player but D4 falls in Sacred 2 territory... 1 character... mmo style... It feels weird calling it "mmo style" when only D3/POE popularize the "season"/"league" gimmick... but ignorance is bliss to require all ARPG to have new characters per season. This is a hamster wheel in a hamster wheel...

[@nikovz4719]

I mean he can do exactly what he says by waiting for the seasons to end to experience the season ladders

[@cristianalfonso7594]

But why tho

[@fernandoemh]

@@cristianalfonso7594 Because he doesn't want to start a new character in a new season.

[@Cale779]

@@fernandoemhand he shouldn’t have to, there needs to be endgame content for people that have no interest in starting again in seasons, battlegrounds etc, whatever, anything. Currently there’s nothing.

[@atiqa1160]

@@Cale779 And why does there need to be endgame content for people who don't want to do seasons? This is what Diablo is. It's only technically an MMORPG (because that genre is too vague), but it doesn't function in the same way, and it shouldn't. You don't reach "endgame" when you've leveled to 100... Starting a new character in season and experiencing seasonal content arguably IS the endgame. If you don't like that (which is fine), then maybe it's just not the game for you. There's plenty of games I don't like, but I don't demand that they change for my needs.

[@gravitonlance3610]

⁠@@atiqa1160I think the main point he is trying to make is that, with the amount of new player traction and enjoyment (myself and all my D2 friends included) having to sunset (start over) again every 3 months isn’t something this generation on players want to do. It doesn’t feel like a character developed journey. It feels like a state of reset, where to enjoy the new content I’d have to create and start over just to enjoy it. Doesn’t sound like it respects players time. Please correct me/enlighten me to something I’m missing. Cheers.

[@TheNightmareTroll]

i want paragon levels like in D3 because why would i level a seasonal? there are no sets, there are no pets, no stash space to get all the items you get from the other character. no wings, just a big grind. why would i then have 2 druids and no stash space. what i know is they gotta do something.

[@TheNightmareTroll]

there’s also no cow level yet, no rainbow goblin land, no cube, can’t re-kill bosses like in D2 or D3 nothing special to do. don’t get me wrong i love the game the thing is that it looks like it might not work out good for season. and if they don’t do it right it will be a hot mess.

[@EM_vi_ix]

He seems like the kind of guy who would suggest an option to pay to win.

[@MechaShredZilla]

Think we all got use to playing D3 endgame for so many years, getting boosted to 70 in 5 seconds, trying multiple builds, no sense of character identity, feels like once I got my Necro through campaign I immediately started back on the D3 mindset for alts, just wanted to boost, started complaining about inventory specially as a massive hoarder, and all of the QoL D3 has, as far as loadouts and bank space and the free respecing goes, but I get Quin's points too, I need to get out of that mindset lol.

[@circaen]

I'm so glad Quin hated this shit for me. I really can not stand when people dislike the entire point of something & want to change it. The seasons are made so that you have a reason to level a new character & this dude is like "I don't want to level a new character, I should be able to play with my level 70" Literally enraged me... hahahaha And the load outs will actually give less of a reason to level new characters in the future so it makes sense he is keen on that. I'll even say, I think the Devs caved on the renown thing way too quickly. Starting out with 5-10 skill points really cheapens the start of a new character. I don't mind it for alts in a season but I started a Hardcore character & the renown did not carry over. Without the story to worry about - I found the renown a great way to lead my character through leveling. I enjoyed the extra challenge of not starting out with 10 Skill points letting me blast to level 25 with very little thought. I think they should have just added more ways to get renown in season, so people could gain it the way they want.

[@ph1shstyx]

Right? I'm playing a rogue now, aiming to get to 100 before the season, but I plan on playing a druid come season 1. The seasons, like with D3 and D2R, give me a chance to play different characters that might have had a change to their playstyle by getting a buff to a certain build. If you want to play your current character, just keep playing that character and don't play the season. No one is forcing you to play it.

[@user36003]

Ok then no one will play d4 just like d3 trash if you think everything needs to stay as it was without innovations , d4 should have taken lost ark way and it would be 100 times better for majority of blizz playerbase

[@circaen]

​@@user36003plenty of people will play D4.

[@Youtubestolemyname99999]

The xp gold potion what else is in there premium seasonal buffs are so shitty tho

[@ChaseHopkins.]

He’s a destiny player, we don’t respect their opinions. Sincerely, a former destiny slave

[@user36003]

Yet d3 had less players stay then destiny 2 had ... i played both and if you want to have same shit in d4 then go ahead dont innovate anything , most ppl wont enjoy redoing everything again just to have slightly differeny build and stats

[@MATCHLESS789]

@@user36003 that's not why D3 failed and if you think it is you're delusional.

[@user36003]

@@MATCHLESS789 what a clown go back to spamming Grifts over and over each season reset pffff "Great Game" even with Trading not going away d3 would still fail with that "End Game"

[@MATCHLESS789]

@@user36003 Nah, I don't think I will - D3 sucks ass, but it's not because of seasons.

[@PrivateSy4z]

MMO gamers are applying the MMO mindset to this game because they associate it with a traditional MMO when it is not one. The progression in MMO's like WOW and Destiny is actually kind of similar in a lot of ways to Diablo but in WOW/Destiny/other MMO's the devs need to artificially timegate any sources of good gear to stop people from getting BIS in a week and then getting bored and quitting. Diablo does not artificially timegate progression so seasons are it's way of solving this same problem. Seasons add longevity to the game. If they didn't exist, the devs would have to design another system to keep players around that most likely would result in something like nightmare dungeons having a lockout and gating the best gear behind them which would feel even worse than relevelling a character. Seasons are the best way forward for this style of game.

[@dlvarcade9729]

D3 seasons everyone was max level the first few days so really, I kinda get Tassi’s point. It feels pointless to force players to restart. This really feels like a “well it’s always been this way so let’s just do it” scenario. We need some innovation to this system.

[@radfishy]

It's not just your level, it's the gear progression.

[@heyhoojoe]

Given how bad leveling up feels in D4, I wouldn't mind skipping that phase and not looking back from now on. fr

[@drizzl8899]

By reading the comments I can see there are quite a few people who have no idea how Diablo or poe season/leagues worked for the past 9 or 10 years. If you don't want a seasonal reset stick to non season. Nobody is forced to start fresh. And only speak for yourself if you don't like it.

[@erdbeertage4851]

A shitty consistent system is still-as you can guess- a shitty system. With the overall changes to Diablos core audience, I expect changes with the expansion.

[@Hoigwai]

Far too many people don't understand that you do not have to do everything a game offers.

[@danielcraciun4106]

You pay all the money but don't play all the offered game? stupidest take ever

[@robertstan298]

@@danielcraciun4106 have you or will you ever defeat Uber Lililth on HC? No? Then STFU

[@crepooscul]

@@danielcraciun4106 Research the game you want to buy before you buy it. Do not impulse buy because you thought a game's CGI trailer looked cool. Also depends on the game. I absolutely do not experience all of the content in all games. Games are not perfect, I can consider if part of it worth the money and play that instead. Maybe I like Witcher 3, but I don't like chasing every worthless collectible on the map. Maybe I bought Total War Warhammer 3, poured 1000 hours into it and didn't play Bretonnia once because it's too cavalry intensive and I hate microing so much. Maybe I bought Guild Wars 2, and don't like PvP. Am I forced to PvP just because otherwise it means I've wasted my money? How is this a "stupid take? Literally sunken cost fallacy.

[@namerandom2000]

he only scratched the surface and he thinks he know it all....