Yale University's Joanne Lipman on the rise in 'new collar' jobs

[@randomxxjojo]

I love how they're describing the training for "new collar" like it's a brand new concept. It's not. Many companies did away with their training programs because they cost money, and it would make them more in control/more responsible for their hiring and retention process(es). The reason why this could be bad is because If you have a controlled training and hiring process, and you still hire and fire at a moment's notice it could greatly damage your company's reputation.

[@amatuer2]

😊😊😊😊

[@katherandefy]

It would continue to greatly disadvantage workers and society.

[@ddellwo]

“New Collar” - how can we pay people $45k per year for a position that used to cost us $75k per year……..🙄

[@Iamat710again]

How can we get the useless eaters to make hay with less paper?

[@theperson3693]

Wanna name a single job that that’s true

[@ddellwo]

@@theperson3693 - My company is crawling with these types of hires right now! They don’t want to pay what it would take to hire somebody with building experience, so we end up with marginally experienced Millennials who can do little more than stare at you blankly from their keyboards……..😑

[@stevechance150]

​@@theperson3693challenge accepted! Nurse Practitioner. They took work away from doctors and doctor level pay, and gave that work to a nurse, at high nurse pay.

[@devon9374]

😂😂😂😂​@@ddellwo

[@charlesjoseph730]

I would argue that a 22 year old saddled with six figures of debt from a college education that loses their job to automation is far less adaptable than the same 22 year old that has no educational debt with the present resources available to both.

[@biscaynesupercars]

🎯

[@biscaynesupercars]

@@luke5100 thats not true. Talk to most college graduates that have non STEM degrees, they’re either unemployed, under employed or work in a field unrelated to their degree. Student loan debt is such a huge issue that its been a deciding factor in presidential elections

[@biscaynesupercars]

@@luke5100 the very fact that there is a student loan crisis proves most college graduates are unemployed or under employed. If they weren’t then there wouldn’t be a crisis. That shows how widespread it is lol. Its so widespread that its a determining factor for presidential elections.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

​@@luke5100I agree, it's a talking point of the Republican right. They never consider teachers with teaching degrees, or social workers or fields that are underpaid and overworked. But the fields that are underpaid and overworked that require a degree are punished with the results of their talking points.

[@kennedygolfhead4356]

I really liked the fact that they argued both ends of opinions. I like this big guy who is not afraid to voice his opinions for the sake of a good arguments. It really provides opportunities for viewers to make educated decisions rather than focusing on who is right or wrong.

[@ocmetals4675]

Adaptability is the name of game, not college degrees. How quickly you adapt will determine your success not your schooling.

[@made432]

I got both. 😊 some jobs required math maturity such as in AI. Hence, college is important.

[@yosemite735]

College means you can read, write, spell and do math at a competent level and can be taught whatever needs to be taught

[@made432]

@@yosemite735 an engineering degree requires higher level math and science maturity. It means I have been taught the math/sci subjects and built the skills to be successful in the AI world.

[@DanielRicany]

Employers have been holding people back for years because they demanded an unnecessary college degree. This is why we need to deregulate business laws across the country to allow easier access to entrepreneurship instead of forcing people to have to rely on a company comprised of bureaucrats to feed themselves.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Definitely some questions here.

[@MrVomora]

These apprenticeships need to begin in high school so young adults can have work available right after they graduate. Most high school graduates attend a junior college which takes them nowhere, and they end up working a dead end minimum wage job.

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

they used to be mainstream in almost all highschools. but these programs were removed as they pushed kids to get degrees

[@mprasad3918]

What no one is talking about is companies used to have training readily available but then got rid of it and outsourced all the jobs to countries like India, Mexico, Philippines etc. for cheap labor. Why did they do that? They need to bring back the training and pay according to the living wages of the area.

[@LionDen]

"Why did they do that?" to increase profit margin, if they don't they are eaten by companies that do it. Thats how free market works.

[@mrheng562]

Companies is about profits, not people. Sad, I know. That’s the world we live in. 😢

[@darrellmitchell765]

SO TRUE

[@Mike-B.]

"You need the eperience.. and we are going to bring you in" The question is: With so many college graduates -- WHY ARE YOU NOT CHOOSING TO BRING THOSE PEOPLE |IN?

[@jaehparrk]

they are being hired. once interest rates go down tech industry will hire far more

[@Mike-B.]

After 40 they are NOT being hired. And no, I respectfully disagree: companies are about to start laying off in a very big way -- just as they have every time deep rate cuts occur, causing a recession to follow. Check the FRED (Fed database) charts.

[@FoxItAll]

Got a degree in Foreniscs, $38k. First job offer as a tier 1 CSI: $14-$17/hr. No point in getting degrees if we can't earn off it.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Which is wild to me, that's a skill you are learning that is used in important things today. I don't think people are seeing this and other jobs like it. They just talk across the board like everything is run by the same rules and it's not.

[@smrk2452]

College prepares you for more college. It’s about social class, not job prep, unless your job is academic. It was established like that 900 years ago for the elites while most people used apprenticeships for practical job training. College has not changed for modern times. That’s why there’s such a disconnect between college and the modern workforce. We’ve been looking to college for something it was never intended to do.

[@langhamp8912]

Good colleges expose you to the scientific method, and that way of thinking should permeate through your entire life. I personally find it difficult to talk to people not versed in the scientific method because such people are often highly superstitious, or often completely unversed in basic theories. We've even recently seen huge portions of the US population reject germ theory, for example. And yet, in typical US fashion, getting such an education is hilariously expensive. And in reaction, a huge portion of the US population rejects ignorance as being bad. Ignorance is not knowing something, but stupidity is being willfully ignorant; while I understand getting a college degree is expensive, it's stupid saying that college degrees are worthless because the knowledge required to get one is false.

[@TheKittyHenry95]

Keep thinking that and give more leverage to the next person who holds a college degree when you’re looking for a job change. Your lost

[@BlownMacTruck]

Er, no they don’t. Colleges aren’t trade schools. They don’t “teach” you a vocation. What they DO teach you is critical thinking, analysis, and (this the most important) how to continue learning. Sure that could be more college. But more likely it’s how you continuously pick up new skills while you’re working. This is why jobs look for college graduates. Not because they necessarily care about your major, but because it means you know how to think critically, solve problems, and continuously grow your skillset. This is what unlocks higher and higher salaries.

[@mprasad3918]

You said it so well. Thank you

[@hungcapitalll]

I went from white collar to blue collar making the same amount. And i get to move around more and actually enrich my research knowledge while driving to job sites. No college degree required and i make the same amount i did as when I was sitting in a cubicle doing reconciliations and jumping between screens with no stimulation. Blue collar happiness> white collar happiness I dont care for managing people nor do i care for the artificial smile and meaningless pow wows with my CEO/team. I am lazy though! I got paid to play video games because dec-feb are slow in my industry. Its a triple win for me.

[@Methusalah0]

And yet they aren't discussing how many people have a college degree and don't have a job in or leg up in the field of study because of lack of adequate pat and opportunity

[@woodside4life]

That doesn’t fit their narrative, so 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Vim_Tim]

It’s still relatively low, below 5% unemployed for recent graduates. Compare that to China’s ~15% youth unemployment. College grads are still getting jobs, even if they aren’t the perfect jobs they want.

[@stevechance150]

Corporate America: "We don't like paying our skilled employees, so we decided that applicants don't need a degree. Sorry for shafting all the college educated people (not really)."

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

exactly

[@Citizen_]

Have you looked at which jobs they're dropping the requirements for?

[@alla.e]

I think the thing that isn’t discussed in the debate if college vs no college is that the university study also exposes you, through required courses, to a range of valuable subjects such as government courses, English, math, science, even if those aren’t your majors, and the roundedness of that aspect of the education vs certification is something that isn’t obsolete and will only help shape the minds of society’s future rather than hurt (honestly especially the government courses). I think the training and certifications are important because of the access they provide to jobs for many who don’t have access to traditional university. However, there’s honestly so many benefits to young adults going to college outside of the specific degree/job prospects. It’s still better to have a more educated society than not; let’s not try to banish colleges to the yesteryear. Both should still coexist. I’m so disappointed by the strong anti-college movement. Just for context, I’m 24, earned my bachelor’s degrees at 20.

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

Understand that there is alot of your not understanding because of your youth. Use history to see when America boomed. It always followed construction. It never followed office jobs. The economy thrives when things are built and manufactured. The roads, highways and bridges that your driving on were built during the 1950s. This infrastructure is beyond its usable lifespan. Do a quick google search and youll see that over 220k bridges are in USA are in bad to very bad condition . Some have collapsed. At the current pace it will take 75 years to repair them. Google how many water main breaks have happened in the past 3 weeks. Look at the electric vehicle. You know what threatens to hurt its acceptance? No stable grid. Transformers are made in Europe and it takes 60 weeks to manufacturer 1. 1 transformer takes over 1 year. Now look at our aging electric infrastructure . Much of the housing shortage is because there is a shortage of laborers. Plumbers, electricians , lineman etc all these jobs are in severe and i mean severe shortage. Even autobody and mechanics. This country allowed fortune 500 companies to brainwash and bully the school system to produce children that placed too much emphasis on a degree. Now we have TOO many architects and not enough workers to build their designs. This infrastructure problem is a national security and safety threat. Do you want to drive on a bridge thats almost 100 years old that is 30 years past its repair? In time youll see how the average college graduate does not pay off their student loans until they are in their early 40s. When AI gets here who will feel the pain? the guy pouring concrete? NOPE. Its the guy in the corporate office. Also notice how out of shape we are. That never happened when most people had labor jobs. sitting all day is bad for your spine, health and your colon.

[@alena5484]

Wow so much animosity toward education that is paid and actually applicable that would help people save a bunch of time and learn the most important life skill - agility!!

[@khon6339]

vocational back in h.s helps out. went to work instead of going to classes senior year

[@karnez05]

Degrees open doors, it’s up to you to know the skills

[@stephenlee5525]

I think there's value in at least attending community college and getting an associates degree. It is by far much cheaper and one can always decide if they want to continue on to a 4 year degree. Most likely won't incur any student loan debt from CC and you'll get a degree and credits to your name. There are a lot valuable associate degrees that can lead to decent paying jobs.

[@wawa3349]

I don’t know what they’re talking about b/c getting a job has become harder! Nowadays Companies require experience,degrees(even if it’s not in a specific field),certificates & your first born if you want a decent salary.

[@AJ-zz3qm]

So, if companies are going to hire non college graduates instead of college graduates, how do you expect college graduates to pay back their loans?

[@_JamesManning]

“Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education.” FDR

[@JunkSock]

“Democracy”

[@icecream7yum1]

It's not 1 size fits all. Some high school grads should not attend any more school and just start working. Some need community college, some need 4 year but beware of student loan debt. Everyone needs to be mindful of the competition coming from artificial intelligence. It feels like 4 year college is a business, Silicon Valley people didn't attend college.

[@Commonsenseisnotcommon8]

So this is actually “old collar” 😂 this is exactly how things have always been, like they said apprenticeships. You don’t need the college. So it’s a good idea that jobs actually want to start training their employees again. That’s the only reason this is a new concept because companies stop about 20 years ago. media always making up new phrases just to get content is getting annoying.

[@sola2351]

I worked low paying jobs for years to put myself through school. I’m graduating in a few days and starting a new job. My salary is over 100k. Throughout my time in school I strategically worked myself into positions that gave me marketable skills so I wouldn’t have to take an entry level salary after graduation.

[@britjj5126]

Which industry did you study for?

[@sola2351]

@@britjj5126 health science major with a ton of applied data science/research experience. Now I have my dream career in public health. Most people said I’d be broke working in public health, but I am just getting started. I am already working on the next steps to increase my salary.

[@1MinuteFlipDoc]

i dropped out of trade school because i'm starting a job making over $400K a year. no regrets!

[@MireilleLaverty]

All this talk about on-line training and whether or not to enroll in post-secondary education is missing one big point: getting a job and advancing your career is very dependent on WHO you know (employers seldom trust complete unknowns). On-line training is better than nothing but if you really want to get ahead, you need in-person training (whether at a university or not) so you can network with the people who can provide you with a reference or even hire you if they start/inherit a business. 😕

[@ThinkBeFree99]

And why are jobs still requiring exp for entry level roles and also exp for entry level roles for skills that a degree exposes you to as well as teaches you.

[@KP99]

What about UX/UI design? I'm looking into it, but I worry that it might soon be able to be automated away to an intelligent computer

[@saininj]

Those are tech jobs that are being laid off right now. Sorry to burst your bubble, but maybe look into a contingency plan.

[@KP99]

@@saininj any recommendations for what would be good for someone who is looking to get education at that level? AKA a certificate that maybe takes 6 months to one year, as opposed to a full-fledged tech or engineering degree? And something that isn't too coding oriented.

[@KP99]

@@Bluecatwing so it seems like what you're saying is it's less likely to be automated away by AI, since it's more people oriented?

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

If you are doing UI/UX you should get a BA or CS degree and focus on HTML/CSS and whatnot. You still need a degree. My old UI/UX guy had an AS but I think he was making about 50k. Just get the BA/BS

[@BearingMySeoul]

You can get a cert in that but UX/UI teams are pretty small so there's nowhere as many seats as there are for something like programming or digital marketing campaign managers. I'm not saying don't do it but I am saying keep that in mind.

[@chapelknight951]

Apprenticeships are an incredible boon to employees and companies in some ways such as: • Lateral mobility. You can travel between companies for the same or similar position at a younger age. • You can quickly build up experience for your resumé. • you can start making money younger without debt, so focus on education and tuition doesn't stand in the way of starting a family or buying a home. • You can also use your acquired skills to do side work, or start your own company. • For companies, this means a larger pool of skilled workers, so they can expand operations more easily. • Companies can also replace a worker in a position if they refuse to work or threaten their coworkers. There's more, but those are some simple examples of why apprenticeships can be good.

[@unaera]

Great discussion

[@thomaspfeiffer7088]

become a truck driver over the road have to be 21, good driving recorded, 6 months training, 6 months intern and you are starting out at $65,000 to $85,000 a year, invest your money and you can retire in 20 years.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I am adaptable, but I think you can learn on the Job as well. They should make it so any person at the end of an American education has a marketable skill and can get a job.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

I have a "no collar"-job. Self-employed. I wear what I want.

[@anthonyerdenetuguldur5609]

You do need college degree, especially if you want to work at and succeed at MAANG. I returned back to school to pursue my Bachelors in Science after 8 years of work after graduating a technical trade school. I am glad that I made this decision. I wish I did it earlier.

[@bkkid75]

Anything else o not pay people a living wage. I will say this. My liberal arts education did make me more well rounded and helped me build up my soft skills. My technical skills any machine can do but it's the soft skills that no online degree is going to help you with.

[@UplandEconomist]

Uber offers a full scholarship to ASU for its drivers. 2,000 lifetime trips/deliveries, and ongoing monthly 50ish trips required. Full 4 year degree for free. able to be earned with roughly 4 months full time UBERing.

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

I didn't know Uber did this.

[@denniszenanywhere]

If you're doing uber full time -- and I've talked to lots of uber drivers who say full time with uber is more than 40 hours to make money -- where will you find time to study?

[@UplandEconomist]

@@denniszenanywhere once you’ve done your 2,000 trips to qualify, it only takes about 50 trips a month to maintain eligibility. Most Uber drivers can do around 2 trips in an hour. So the ongoing monthly requirements are under 30 hours.

[@denniszenanywhere]

@@UplandEconomist I'm not asking about the technicalities/requirements but how much time uber drivers need to make to make them make money on uber. I've talked to them and they said if one does 8 hours a day, including weekends, then they say it's worth it. But if they add studying, where will they find the time to do so.

[@UplandEconomist]

@@denniszenanywhere Uber is a minimum wage job so individuals will have to work longer hours to pay their expenses as Uber drivers

[@sasquatch2267]

That is the biggest argument for getting a university degree. At the very least, it is a hedge against unemployment during a recession.

[@bargdaffy1535]

This is just a Corporate Scam to pay lower Wages for the same Job College grads do.

[@CatchMeOnPort8080]

But it clearly isn’t

[@te9591]

It isnt, no employer gives sh*t about higher ed degrees. Unless, you make them more money with it.

[@zachlovescats95]

Work history is a hedge against unemployment

[@bargdaffy1535]

@@zachlovescats95 Retirement is a hedge against unemployment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jmay9287]

Employers saying they don't require degrees, but still give the position to the person holding a degree 😑 Whole point of this is to say that a college degree doesn't necessarily make you more qualified than others without a degree having equal or more experience.

[@ivannna252]

He is right and she is not. I am a IT recruiter. Let’s say that you are 40 and you have 15 years of IT experience, you can’t get a management job due to lack of education.

[@Zero11_ss]

The degree gatekeeping is just too powerful. There are so many jobs reliant on the college system from admins to professors to all the jobs that exist around college existing. Its why we cant get rid of this dumb outdated system that isnt even efficient at job training.

[@elizabethr4107]

Precisely

[@oneshot2g]

That's not correct. Management has multiple levels. C-Suite, yes. But very few people are C suite eligible. Team lead, division heads can assume those roles based on their experience

[@crystalj3617]

It's dependent upon several factors, including industry! I work for one of the FAANG companies and we are establishing our own programs to replace the degree requirement.

[@Commonsenseisnotcommon8]

Not everybody wants to be a manager. That’s the problem you should be able to grow in your career, and I not have to manage people. But a lot of companies don’t allow for that. And people have to take management positions to get a raise, that’s why we have so many inefficient managers.

[@deacon_leon]

It's easier to go from blue to new than blue to white collar.

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

I've done blue collar trade school and also am in my 3rd year of BS in CS. Get a bachelor's degree. Dont waste your time.

[@Stoudem]

Yupp, I’m a welder and in school now too. The news keep talking about how white collar jobs are being taken over by Ai. Yet many people I know in tech are still doing very well. And tech is such a vague word to use. Like tech is HUGE. So what part of tech? They’re never specific.

[@GeorgiaMade404]

No degree - grunt, low pay work Degree - moving up and demanding what you want I’ll take the degree thank you😊

[@thearthritisgamer946]

😂 absolutely not true.

[@biscaynesupercars]

Lost me at “i recommend a liberal arts degree”. Tell me you’re out of touch without telling me you’re out of touch.

[@anjanettegilliam9975]

I’ve been applying for Yale University for years and still no employment with this company

[@mrjpierce]

Where are all the people whose jobs have been replaced by AI? The way they talk about this there ought to be hundreds or even thousands of people who could be interviewed who lost their jobs to AI, but I'm not see it. There's no evidence this is actually happening.

[@markkinkle7038]

There is evidence that AI could replace jobs SLOWLY. It will not happen overnight. Since educated people see people losing their jobs, they are talking about it - and even planning to help those people reskill and find other jobs. Like with most things, the people without degrees are the most disposable to companies because they do not often know their rights.

[@Zero11_ss]

Ai will 100% lose jobs and its already starting, you can search for people who work in writing type of jobs, ive seen them talking about how there has been a sharp drop in clients and layoffs too. Self checkout isnt ai but its much less complex and much less variable but even that is estimated to have eliminated 200k jobs over the last like 10 years.

[@Stoudem]

I know many people in tech and I don’t know anyone who have been laid off due to AI. Only because the company folded to ceo being dumb.

[@BicycleFunk]

Workers should be demanding everything right now. If you aren't at an employee-owned company or in the public sector, there are no limits. The owner class has taken advantage for far too long.

[@konfyd110]

You still have to be good at what you do.

[@Mrslykid1992]

I have 127000 debt in MBA and still out of work with since I left my previous career. Worst decision to go to NYU

[@Catchthiswaver]

Thanks for sharing; the bald guy was rude when cutting off the ladies to share his perspective. Healthy dialogue over forcing your point wins every time

[@ahmad-unlocked]

you may call the gentleman's position ole school but he is right.

[@Dakid015]

Steve Liesman sounds like he's invested into the university system

[@postmojon]

2024 and still yapping about "gaps in resume" LMAO . How does being a veteran mean you even have a gap? Considering military service is a job ? This whole thing is frustrating.

[@skibbydweez2647]

Any links ???

[@rv8804]

This guy sounds like he works for the education industry lol. I would say that college is not as important anymore but he is right that a company will teach u how to do one thing and then lay u off and now u only know one thing. As long as that thing is in high demand than ur good.

[@marthajean50]

What's the name of the older guy at the table?

[@linguaphile42]

Looks like his name is Steve Liesman, Senior Economics Reporter for CNBC. I'm a big supporter of liberal arts education for everyone, lifelong, so I liked what he said. Our crisis of democracy comes from average people not understanding basic things about their own country, world, economics, history, etc. It will be the death of us.

[@marthajean50]

@@linguaphile42 Thanks for that. I'd seen the picture of him that the network uses, but he looks a little different in it! To your point about not understanding basic things -- it really should be a high priority. How shocking are those videos of people who can't find one thing on a map, not one single thing?????😮

[@linguaphile42]

@@marthajean50 It's demoralizing to see the level of ignorance and gullibility in our country. And people seem to be proud of it. We need this pendulum to swing back the other way.

[@tjtj7161]

When the older guy at 6:15 counter counters, that you need a degree to get low unemployment over a lifetime doesn't realize that the past's rules doesn't necessarily reflect the future. I think college is still valuable, but it's good that other options are opening up to give colleges some competition because they're draining SOME students of their futures. Not everyone should or needs to go. My partner works as an advisor and he was recently forced to call parents/grandparents of students not talking to him who have bad grades who would never pass the nursing program to see if they're still interested in signing up for classes the next semester. The college rather bad students come back and be in horrible debt than give them the hard truth. That their grades aren't going to get them into the nursing program. Just so they can make their balance sheets look good compared to the previous year.

[@sb5421]

Good point

[@linguaphile42]

Right, but he wasn't addressing that particular situation. His point is that a broad background of training teaches you how to learn, how you learn best, what your strengths are, and how you can parlay them into a variety of jobs. You come out with way more flexibility because excellent verbal, problem-solving, tech, and interpersonal skills are needed in all kinds of jobs and they're exactly what people are lacking who only train for a specific niche job.

[@SarahGoss-k1n]

As an MBA and 20+ years of Human Resources experience I’m amazed that we are still having this discussion regarding college degrees. All good points, but all missed critical point of the correlation between successfully completing academia rigor and corporate/leadership/bus business success. So much more to digest on these topics

[@biancam2327]

So this new requirement most tech jobs want nowadays, building AI technology how are people supposed to get the education in that? Seemed the sprawned out of now where and many colleges are not offering this specialization. Are their trade shools and bootcamps that do? Im not hearing of any being positioned to people.. And how much does that cost?

[@luiscastillo7009]

What kinds of jobs is she talking about tho?

[@KK-pm7ud]

These places and others. It's really a bunch of double speak mumbo jumbo. Companies can't find enough talent so now they are lowering standards and deciding to train where necessary.

[@Zero11_ss]

She's years late, talking about stuff like IT jobs but those are all so saturated and its pretty hard to get a junior entry level job now. Need certs and experience all for a low pay job. Not to mention how many are getting outsourced to places like india.

[@venture.brothers]

She's wrong apprenticeships have been around for way longer. Big 4 offered it in the Uk decades ago well before tech or gs

[@Zero11_ss]

A lot of the apprenticeships here in the US, that arent trades ones, require a degree or for you to be a college student. Its dumb af

[@Marva123]

These presenters, like most colleges, are so far out of touch with how vast technology is moving. They are bringing up talking point 15 years old.

[@makedredd299]

But what about low-level jobs? Not everybody can study and become a medical doctor or AI engineer.

[@x1k790]

Everyone will be an AI engineer in a year, but you won’t realize it as you speak into the app to creat new self value apps Wake up!

[@babakd9892]

College is basically partying with a few weeks of cramming it’s become a joke

[@markkinkle7038]

Um. Not really. College is about learning critical theoretical concepts and critical thinking. Just because *you* did not apply yourself, does not mean college is a joke. Bye!

[@jonasbaine3538]

Depends on the college and the degree. Student debt is the biggest problem overall crippling students right from young age. Starting life behind.

[@Zero11_ss]

@@markkinkle7038 Learning critical thinking in college is just part of the many lies they tell to gate keep jobs for college grads. Do you know how many total morons graduate college every single year? You never met them while you were in college? You think those people are somehow transformed into some kind of critical thinker after 4 or 5 years of playing around - especially for the easier majors lol.

[@Snapcracklepop541]

My engineering degree was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life…

[@Zero11_ss]

@@Snapcracklepop541 Sure but on the other side you have people who complete MUCH easier degrees getting priority for jobs. Jobs where there is a degree requirement but the actual major doesn't even matter. I doubt the girl i met at my last job who could barely do basic math and spent a year partying in japan but complains about her loans with her communications degree had too tough of a major. If you look outside your own industry you'll probably end up agreeing.

[@adamcooper1024]

Know a little about a lot, or know a lot about a little. This is a part of the human problem, or in other words, one is no better than the other! We’ll just continue to oscillate between one and the other. 😊

[@JohnSmith-vy7ck]

The guy with a CS degree will not be paid as much as the guy with a CCSN certification.

[@containedhurricane]

You mean CCSP? The certificate holder has still got to have a computer degree

[@wawa3349]

EXACTLY I don’t know why they’re making it seem like these companies aren’t requiring degrees. Nowadays to get a decent salary they want Experience, degree, certification & your first born!

[@christiancoronado]

Everyone knows so much about AI and have a crystal ball that tells you the future.

[@Stoudem]

Thank you! I honestly think a lot of this is fear monger.

[@bobbab5759]

You need to look at your own aptitude and traits and interests. I agree with the old guy in mostly, but not for everyone. Prompt engineer - you can see where this job basically will be obsolete in the next 5 years max as the platforms develop. Boot camp for low end coders - they are also going away. So you do need to be careful.

[@KP99]

What about UX/UI design? I'm looking into it, but I worry that that might be something that can be automated away by an intelligent computer soon

[@bobbab5759]

@@KP99 Hard to say. I am a PM. I don't feel like that goes away too soon. It is too people oriented and involves discussions both externally with customers and internally with PMs and other stakeholders so I would say it is relatively a bit better.

[@linguaphile42]

Education is not all about jobs. It's also about effective citizenship and personal fulfillment.

[@bobbab5759]

@@linguaphile42 100% agree.

[@benford3652]

Ive been hearing this for quite a while. Training makes you more employable. Its not real. Most jobs that are non-entry level require a degree. Supervising folks is a soft skill that is certainly not taugh is higher education, but it is REQUIRED more oftren tgan not to move up in a technical field. Its also a cost companies dont want to bear: training workers. Companies dont want to make tgat investment because they often treat their employees as a cost

[@katherandefy]

EXCEPT I disagree strongly with handing Pell grants to private companies for training workers. The technology ramp up is a business expense if you want to stick with competitive markets. Figure it out. What kind of contribution does business want to make? All this take and no give is bs. I see right thru it.

[@MAfanwoods37]

Between lower academic standards, grade inflation, illegal immigration&forever cheap labor and stagnant wages, college is not worth it. Only if very savvy and do it very cheaply. The more college degrees.....the less valuable it is.

[@wherethequietbeingsgo]

Artifical intelligence will never touch law. I wish I went into that instead.

[@ryanbain618]

Only 8% of adult americans have an undergrad degree......70M is laughable.....the number is much higher.......

[@12_MPH_400_metres]

NO. if you DON'T have experience & go back for more training you'll just get spit on because you have gap

[@DeepVerma728]

Mathematics and foreign languages that's it.

[@ewanfraser]

Yes let’s call it return ship so they will pay far less great idea

[@RajinderYadav]

DF is new collar, did these people just make stuff up? 😂 ...there is blue collar, white collar and now, "no collar" when people are laid off as jobs disappear.

[@Z.November]

Allegedly Joanne Lipman got pretty close to the students of the economics department. I have to admit, I did not think it was appropriate for her to do so. When my roommate at Yale told me that she made a pass at her, it was really shocking, and she tried to make it sound innocent flirting, but she was very upset about it.

[@Bjm21703]

Its a trap. Immediate glass ceiling. Ask me how i know.

[@JURSSICZ]

The amount of BS this lady is spewing is off the charts

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

"New Collar" = "Iron Collar"...

[@Corpvet]

Jobs, like many aspects of life are about who you know. Not what you know. Education is not required if you know the right people. Also, this will all go downhill so companies can hire all these immigrants who will soon be legal to work.

[@twal3]

Oh heaven forfend..that applicant has a GAP on their resume!! Why they must be shunned like the unprofessional lepers they are!

[@Agent77X]

Blue collar, White collar & No jobs!😮

[@ereinholtz]

Who is this righteous host that isn’t a labor economist trying to start off the bat with hardball with this guest and zero credentials? Fire this doof and bring in a collaborate, bright, engaging moderator.

[@alena5484]

And no mister, you don’t have to have a degree to be successful at other jobs. Different people’s brains work differently, how come they didn’t teach you that in your college?

[@ereinholtz]

This host interrupts the other host (female) with an old school boomer mentality. “I don’t want to keep her” and then keeps talking without making a new point or listening to the guest

[@MsEshalon]

Sooo we’re gonna pretend that Tech jobs haven’t laid off 500,000 people in the last 6 months. I’m sure the number is probably higher than that and let not talk about how jobs are cutting hours to 20th s or less a week 😂

[@chafachafita4444]

Just the word job hurt my ears degree or no degree making millions with no degree

[@thegoldengatesound]

🤣 stuck in the past love going in circles

[@shaunmc013]

Yeah keep thinking that they don’t want a college degree. These employers don’t know you from dirt, why would I give you 50,60,75 thousands dollars based on “I know can do it! Let me prove to you!!! I promise yuh!!!”.. stop being lazy and go back to school and stop taking those loans out. I went back to college in my 40’s, didn’t touch a dime of all of that student loan money that was available to me. I got scholarships, financial, and Pell grants - 3.59 gpa for a guy that had to go to summer school to graduate high school..

[@cryptocorey8582]

I hired a construction worker to do design instead of a college grad. I no longer trust colleges to prep students for the workplace.

[@ThumpahFPV]

You never hired a college grad for the business expertise - you hired them because it was proof of follow-through when it gets tough. That means your chances of training the person successfully would be higher by default, minimizing the risk of your investment as an employer.

[@cozyslor]

@@ThumpahFPV Bingo

[@smrk2452]

That’s not the purpose of college. It never was. College was established to be a certain thing in the Middle Ages and it hasn’t changed much since then.

[@cryptocorey8582]

@smrk2452 ummm it's changed a ton. No diversity of thought or study in today's colleges

[@haute03]

@@cryptocorey8582 That is also a broad statement that is not correct lol.

[@biancam2327]

So try to apply for a apprenticeship program and a large tech company, hope you get accepted, learn how to build AI, teach it so well that it can operate on its own, and the company will then let you go.. these topics are so one sided.

[@DjangoVonShaft]

Stop using me as a reference point. I am not your charity. Please tend with your less fortunate Appalachian children.

[@ThailandWithMonchai]

The ROI from going through today's highly expensive university system is waaaaayyy overrated. Young folks, make sure you think hard about your educational path before committing to a ton of debt. For some, it's not worth the squeeze. 🇺🇸

[@austindize]

2:50 broad liberal arts education? Bro needs stfu realize overwhelming amount debt that is unnecessary

[@J-qp3mv]

Funny how the boomer host can’t grasp the reality of how the world evolves since the 50s

[@kreativeforce532]

since when is being a teleprompter a job? its a machine dolts read their script off of to bigger dolts viewing the news at home.

[@taylorman40x9]

You know if all women stopped working men wouldnt have to work as hard. Because society would have to pay the average man enough to take care of themselves plus women.😂

[@skibbydweez2647]

Dudes way to loud for someone who is just rambling on …

[@faizanalam8567]

Just a bunch of hot air with no real solutions. A prompt engineer? Any idiot can do that job.