Yamaha MT-10 vs BMW S1000R Review Road Test | Visordown Motorcycle Reviews

[@trionrider]

Just to let people know that Yamaha MT-10 has better brakes than BMW S1000R. Just search for videos testing braking capability for similar bikes from different brands and you'll notice it has the better brakes. The main reason people think(!) Yamaha MT-10 (and other bikes) don't have better brakes, it's because people judge brakes for it's initial bite power "feeling". But to learning it's real power, brakes need to tested under full braking tests and not be judged by "how it feels" opinions! Just my 2 cents.

[@mojaverailfabricationltd4435]

Exactly correct. Set of 70 dollar pads solve the bite issue too

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

I tested them bouth 3 weeks ago, and for me I would go with the MT10 with out a doubt

[@stevejhall]

Test rides on both, ordered S1000r.

[@grantwedgbrow9997]

Hi mate, I know this is an old review, but I wondered how you got on with your BMW S1000r?, did it live up to your expectations?, do you still own it? Cheers, Grant.

[@TucsonDude]

@@grantwedgbrow9997 I've owned mine for 5+ years and it's still awesome. Not super comfy for a tall guy, but I never get "used" to the power, handling and brakes.

[@expatbiker6598]

Boring fela

[@RadarsRadicalRides]

Even at 50 I'm not old enough to own a BMW. I'll take the MT.

[@cowtipper84]

Good Review. Well done. Personally I would take the Yamaha purely for the engine.

[@Fathead758]

+AussieRider agrees mt-10 sounds amazing but is so damn ugly

[@cowtipper84]

***** Wel no not really for the sound but I like my Yamaha's although cant say for sure as I have never ridden a Beemer. On paper i would have the yamaha. But I would have to ride to be sure.

[@cowtipper84]

Yeah I guess that's true but for me it all about how a bike rides and feels. As I said going on engine sound alone having not ridden either of them I prefer the Yamaha. If I test ride both I will let you know which one I prefer :-)

[@iTxip]

the answer: get a tuono :P

[@browie316]

I did just that and love it. I didn't consider the BMW as Ive had a bunch of conventional inline 4's, they have no soul. The MT10 sounds great with a decat pipe, nothing else like it.

[@billiondollardan]

First review I have seen where the reviewer had almost nothing good to say about the MT-10

[@lukebell476]

It's almost like he's biased or something 🤔😅

[@SportbikerNZ]

Good review with no nonsense opinions. Always good to see clear opinions, no confusion about findings etc.

[@RandomName..]

It's the first honest review that I watch regarding the MT-10. The others are clearly bias. If someone goes against this review it's only because has never ridden the MT-10, owns one, is a yamaha fan or has ridden the MT-10 but has never ridden other "super naked" bikes. I was in line to buy one until I tried it.

[@Marksman2oo7]

Wait, did you just discredit the opinion of people who own the bike?

[@RandomName..]

+Marksman2oo7 There are people that have no problems pointing out issues with the products they own, I'm like that, I can point out issues on pretty much everything I own/do, but there are people whose opinion is bias because they want to defend their purchase as if they were defending themselves. That's the majority of riders. So, do I discredit owners opinions? depends on the owner and on what's being discussed but if you only have positive things to say...I doubt it. But if I want to know something specific about a bike I usually try to aks to several owners of course. If I want to compare 2 bikes...That's another story! Regarding the MT-10, if the hype was not so big, supported by the reviews I would probably not feel so disappointed after riding it. I still like the bike though, it's not just as a beast and refined as the bias reviews stated. Of course if I owned one I would enjoy it but I'm sure I would not hide its "flaws" unless I was selling the bike :)

[@superbike1]

It's the S1000XR which makes me laugh. Everyone who rolls up behind it thinks it's a plodder. And then you smash it through the revs with the quick shifter and it's like what the hell is that thing as it disappears.

[@nortondlcl]

S1000XR is a wolf in sheep's clothing

[@Alpine_Joe]

Yep, my neighbour gave me a shot of his and it's mental.

[@therealslimshady4555]

S 1000XR is the Ultimate sleeper.it will eat and shit out 95 % of bikes on the road and track.🏍🏍🏍

[@jamesbroad5056]

Just passed 12k miles on mine.. still smooth as butter. And yep, its definitely not slow

[@-C.T.-]

@Haris Inam Your opinion is not shared by all. I quite like the looks of both BM's.

[@Nexus-6]

Here in Canada, the MT-10 (FZ-10) is almost $16,000 Cdn before taxes. The crossplane engine is great but you know Yamaha has cut corners on the bike. That includes some flimsy plastic fairing pieces up front, signals and tail straight out of the generic parts bin, heavy steel exhaust, monochrome display, etc. It's a great bike, no doubt, but here at least in Canada, $16,000 pre-tax is a premium price for a premium bike. As nice as the FZ-10 is, it's not a premium bike. I can buy a new FZ-09 (MT-09) for $9,000, spend a few thousand on mods and still be thousands ahead. Also, the S1000R starts at $15,200 Cdn, and the Speed Triple is also in that price range. Yamaha make nice bikes, but the FZ-10 is way overpriced for what it is.

[@trewebster5884]

holymolie in the states it’s not that expensive. That is pretty bad.

[@jace2wheel762]

@@trewebster5884 we get robbed here in Canada dude. But having owned an FZ09. Tested every super naked, the MT10 simply isn't in the same category as the speed triple. S1000R, Tuono. Those are the Apex of the super naked class

[@trewebster5884]

Jace 2wheel it’s just a good bargain here in the states

[@andredeklerk27]

not detuned, RETUNED!

[@rleon8339]

Exactly. It's just tuned differently.

[@bananataco]

The MT-10 actually has MORE torque then the R1. So yepp definatly not a detune.

[@FadilKarim]

If reliability wasn't an issue, I'd go for the KTM 1290, Tuono 1100, or the S1000r. But it seems like no one can match the reliability of Japanese bikes:/ The FZ10 might not be the best one, but considering its price, performance, and reliability, I'd say it's a win overall.

[@EEEBA1]

Fadil Karim I agree with everything you said, my only complaint about the MT 10 is the fuel range 110 miles only before you need to look for a gas station.

[@rekluseman666]

Thing is, it is the best, I've owned a 1290, handles like crap at speed and regardless of what they say in the vid the BMW is all about top end, doesn't have the seamless sperad of torque of the MT or the character.

[@amurika2018]

Tuono 1100 is a POS. A few notches better in design, worlds apart in terms of reliability. If you have a pretty wife who cooks and cleans and is excited to do all the things you want to do and ages gracefully are you going to go for a supermodel who does hard drugs, drinks hard, and doesn’t want to go out often because she doesn’t feel good? BMW is decently reliable. Sometimes some sensor issues but mechanics are pretty decently reliable.

[@M4rkmcc21]

Iv had 2 Aprilias and 2 ktms never had a problem with them. Dont see why some ppl fall for this illusion of poor European quality in bikes.

[@amurika2018]

markmcc21 2 aprilas both had severely expensive problems once the warranty period was up. I would say Ducati, HOG, and Agusta even have better reliability. Aprila is bottom of the barrel. Everyone I know knows to dump the thing once the warranty period is done. In contrast I’ve found KTMs to be quite reliable. It’s not a reliability issue with these, it’s a factually inferior warranty offering that in many parts of the world are unacceptable. They disqualify everything other than the engine, swingarm and frame explicitly at least here in North America. They have been known to do minor things beyond that but on a discretionary basis. That doesn’t cut it in my book. Night and day difference from the coverage you get from BMW, and the Japanese manufacturers.

[@CrixyM]

It appears the Bmw won even before the test begun , this biased this video seemed to me.

[@andrewd6956]

You rode through streatham and came out alive. Well done.

[@MyRandomLife247]

This review seems like you were paid by BMW and that Yamaha killed your first born child LOL.

[@jamesbroad5056]

Haha it does sound that way. Ive ridden both and think the bmw is the superior machine in pretty much every way, not that the Yammy is bad at all.

[@axs7689]

Lol

[@bozzy-101]

Survivalist I think the pot may be calling the kettle black.

[@pablononpicasso1977]

@@Big1_ 3 letters for you numbskull, ABS.

[@MajorDrama1]

@@Big1_ Rubbish - Those brakes are genius - Mega power with mega control and all the while with mama ABS lookin over your shoulder - They're about as safe as big power braking can get

[@chrisgoes7903]

Great review. I watched a lot before buying my S1000r in this one is amongst the best

[@Cristopher-S.G]

this review should be called, how liked much more the S1000R than the MT10

[@onyekaonyia8395]

I thought reviews were supposed to be unbiased? It's funny really. According to the reviewer the MT-10 is good at one thing, then he goes on to say how that translates to being a negative. But when the S1000R has a failing, he goes on to say how that is a positive. He does this repeatedly in the review. As far as I'm concerned, this is not a review, but rather a guy gushing over his favorite BMW. To anyone looking at these bikes, I'd say give both a try and see which suits your riding style and which suits your budget. In the UK the MT10 costs £1,350 less than standard S1000R. If the performance and the comfort of the MT10 are anywhere as good as most "reviewers" have described, I know where I'd put my money.

[@onyekaonyia8395]

+AussieRider it's not so much what was said but how it was said. Maybe it's just me, but he came off sounding like he'd made up his mind before the comparison had started that the bmw is the better bike. But objectively looking at the stats, the MT10 matches the S1000R for power. It's more comfortable than the bmw (i.e. more relaxed ergos). It has brakes that are more than sufficient for road use. The Yamaha also comes with a lovely sounding exhaust as stock (which the reviewer in his first look video of that bike described as having a "tinny" sound... go figure). And to cap it all, is a whopping £1350 cheaper than the bmw. With the extra cash, one could equip the MT10 with Yamaha's accessory touring screen and panniers and still have change. YET, despite all that, the result of the comparison is that the S1000R is the better bike?

[@onyekaonyia8395]

Exactly "as an S1000R owner" who obviously loves his bike, your opinions cannot be objective. In my humble opinion, a review (by any bike magazine) should strive to be 100% objective. Which this review was not (again my opinion). And by the way, the MT10 comes with fully adjustable suspension front and rear. Electronically adjustable suspension? Just more things to go wrong with a bike if you ask me. In the UK, the automatically adjustable suspension of the S1000R is not standard. It's a £755 option if added on it's own. Neither is the "Gear Shift Assist Pro" . On the other hand, the MT10 quickshifter (available from Yamaha) costs 200 quid. Include that to the cost of panniers and a touring screen, and you've still got over £500 to play with compared to the cost of the S1000R. One last thing, in the UK, Yamaha offers I believe a 2yr warranty. Some dealers go further and offer an extra year.

[@SportbikerNZ]

I disagree. I felt the review was well done and clear opinion expressed without this bias you accuse them of. I have no real interest in either bike, but enjoy bike vids so enjoy watching. Fanboys are always grizzling when reviews dont go the way they want, not the rest of us as we are merely interested in the result. A straight opinion after riding is all this was, and its good to see them not fluffing about with it.

[@onyekaonyia8395]

+SportbikerNZ As is entirely your right to disagree. I'm no fanboy of Yamaha, if anything I lean towards BMW's bikes. Yes the reviewer gave his opinion at the end. What I found somewhat biased was his method of presenting the case for both bikes. It was clear from the first few comparative statements which bike he preferred. Like you I enjoy watching bike reviews for the fun of it. But sometimes one wants a "pure" description of how the bikes ride as well as other things such as costs, etc without the reviewer tainting/painting things to reflect his personal preferences (one such example was where he asks "who buys super naked just for commuting"... err, I do...). I made my original comment simply because his review did not seem to me to be a fair comparison of both bikes. It's probably why Visor Down felt the need to tack on the comments of the second chap as a second opinion - something I haven't noticed very often from them.

[@shegocrazy]

The reviewer is summing up after have ridden and compared the two bikes. He would obviously have already formed an opinion before completing the video. It's not a display of bias unless he had that opinion before riding the bikes.

[@windyrun7979]

I test rode both of these bikes several times and came to the same conclusion: the s1000r has a better engine, brakes, and warranty and though hot doesn't overheat in traffic; its simply a better bike that also gets better gas mileage as a bonus.

[@ewoudalexander]

Comment about the brakes, they actually did a braking test in an other review and the MT-10 won by a mile in stoppage power over the bmw. It's just which review you watch and what the reviewers opinion is I guess. Both great bikes, but I'll stick with my KTM 990sm for a bit longer. The s1000xr is a good option in a couple of years when the prices drop.

[@nicenow25]

Give this guy an award for a fucking good review.

[@OM-kw4py]

Good review... and more importantly, where did you get those black grippy looking side panels for the S1000R?!

[@dozah9790]

Allright, BMW has your preference. Now let's talk prices shall we? Ow dear...Thats a big lose for the BMW. Both great bikes! Best bang for buck? MT10.

[@thorneel]

I rode from Ireland to the MotoGP in Aragon in Spain on my s1000r last September, no issue with comfort and the bike ran like a dream. I did one 800KM or 500miles stint in one day without any bother. Best bike I've ever ridden.

[@The3osforos]

Hey guys! Great review of both bikes. However i have an off topic question to make. I noticed that in 3:34 the guy in the black and red suit wears a chest and back protection. Would you mind telling me the make and model since i am in the market for one? Thank you in advance, keep up with the good work!

[@djmorgan823]

Enough years has gone by that I've now actually owned both these bikes, and it's really disappointing how wrong most of these reviews are. Forget what these say, the fact is the mt10 will clutch up wheelie in 4th for fun, the bmw will struggle to do the same in 3rd. That's a big difference on these hooligan bikes the mt10 is head and shoulders above the bmw in terms of engine. I was shocked to find this when i bought the bmw and was quite disappointed with the engine when i was expecting it to behave like the mt10. The rest of the bike the bmw wins.

[@iamtherealzombie]

These bikes cost the same money (in Canada, anyway) and the BMW comes with heated grips, and full brembo brakes as standard. How did Yamaha think they could charge the same for a lesser specced bike? I love Yamaha and I love the R1 (traded my 07 against the S1KR), but it's not worth the same money, IMO. I just picked up a 2017 S1000R and other than not having an adjustable clutch lever and having soft springs (which is more a "me" problem than an "it" problem) it's almost perfect Everyone falls in love with the MT10 engine (and I feel the Tuono's as well) and suddenly see the bike through rose tinted glasses. Great review, IMO.

[@tHaH4x0r]

Depends where you live I suppose. Here in NL the 'base model' S1000R is 17150 euro, whilst the MT10 is 15999. You can get brembo GP4 RS monobloc brembos (including pads) for 572 euro, and oxford heated grips for around 150. That means that an MT10 with brembos and heated grips is still a good 472 euro cheaper. You can get a powercommander + dyno tune for that money, and I am sure it will then outperform the BMW. My point being, the situation that they are identical in price might be in your country, but not in every country. It is definitely a trade-off that you have to make wherever you live. Also, a few reviewers have noted that the stopping distance of the MT10 is actually better than the S1000R. Just because it has 'brembo' stamped on the side, doesn't automatically mean it is better. I do think a lot of reviewers mistake 'initial bite' with brake performance, it is not the same. I personally do prefer a stronger initial bite, but some people dont. Honestly the MT10 is not 'lesser bike', it is merely a matter of preference. Whether you pick one or the other I am sure you'd be happy regardless.

[@RicViperskylogs]

23,000 Smiles on my 2015 S1kr NOT ONE ISSUE! GREAT BIKE ..Im sure the Yamy is a hoot tho

[@Kodreanu23]

And in my country, BMW S1000R is actually 500 euros cheaper than the Yamaha MT-10. No dilemmas here.

[@thepassionofthegoose5472]

In the US it's the other way around, but I'm still leaning towards the BMW.

[@fivespeed3026]

+thepassionofthegoose The Beemer is the superior bike, no doubt. But...like he said in the video, the vibes are pretty horrible. Personally, it is a deal breaker for me. Test ride one if you can.

[@Kodreanu23]

But he said, vibes in 6th gear below 6K RPM. So, it doesn't vibe always, does it? Have you ridden it (BMW)?

[@fivespeed3026]

I rode the S1000XR, which is very similar, and the reviews say the same thing about it so I think it would be close enough for a fair comparison. Handled beautifully, transmission was the best I've experienced, sounds fantastic for a stock exhaust, but the vibes were simply horrible for me. Apparently it doesn't bother some, and I consider those people to be lucky.

[@damytzeus]

i just bought a 2016 s1000r and absolutely no issues with vibes. zero. nada. zilch.

[@JBZSTFC]

I have an MT10 and, in my humble opinion, its a bargain. If you try, it's likely that you will buy.

[@jitterball]

No test rides from Yamaha. BMW though, you can just stop by at the dealer, pick up the bike and go for a ride.

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

jitterball i wish i hadn't done that that way i would have been on fz10

[@greygoose4x46]

JBZ STFC that's not true ... I Test rode my MT10 and didn't go back to buy it for a few weeks so ... I guess it depends on the dealership

[@myjizzureye]

I test rode MT10. Huge mistake, bought it on the spot 🙄

[@teckenfelder13]

Your kettle comparison is hilarious. Nice review. Thanks.

[@Tech-49]

My basic understanding of Visordown is that anything European is better than anything Japanese. This review was very balanced with 5 and a half minutes of rabid BMW fanboi-ism tail ended by 27 seconds talking about the Yamaha.

[@MajorDrama1]

Rubbish - If youve ridden the two bikes you'd know he was spot on - Remarkably accurate review

[@stephenmwyatt2]

MT-10 super easy and cheap to lower the bike as low as 27" inseam (2" clearance for speed bumps)

[@Chris-vq5vr]

As an S10000XR owner, I recommend you switch to either Road, Rain or Dynamic for a more controlled throttle response ;)

[@stevejones6802]

OMG they are making a 10,000 cc motorcycle now?? Where have I been? LOL

[@Doctor1O1]

Great review👏 ...but this has me wishing for the new model to come out..as by the time it comes out I can afford it on my own.😃..Do you have any idea when it will be released?

[@wilduc7302]

Thanks for the test, bought a secondhand S1000R because of the smoother ride. Pitty that the bmw doesn’t have the crossplane engine.

[@nac5000]

hello just went to my dealer to check an s1000r 2023 to replace an mt10 and it vibrates a lot the tank and handle bars. also idling was at 1200rpm oscillating to 1250 not sure if this is normal. my mt10 is smooth and is not new. expected more from bmw. is this normal?

[@pengasus]

Nice and fair review. Just for the viewers though, BMW quick shifter breaks in after a while and gets smoother using from 1st to 2nd but works best above 4000rpm

[@rosendo3523]

I had both of these (albeit the BMW was gen 2), and I found the MT10 a much more exciting bike.

[@sssmmm9846]

As an owner myself of GSX1000S I fully agree with analysis and comment at the beginning of the video. And I am about to buy...the new S1000R. Thanks for this great review.

[@dant565]

price difference?

[@MajorDrama1]

Great review. Best Ive seen in a while. Clear, concise, uncompromising, unapologetic and totally accurate camparison. None of this "well theyre both winners really" crap. But the better bike? Not so easy... MT10 is highly feral - Its by some margin the hairest ride of all the supernakeds. S1000R is vastly easier to ride faster thru twisties - Damn near steers itself even when being thrashed giving serious technological advantage to the rider - And the S1000R is undoubtedly a hell of a lot safer for the average rider because they can use this big power with great control. But then the S1000R is so clever that it also loses something in the process. And wind protections a shocker even by naked bike standards - a real strength of the MT10. And even highly experienced riders will have something to evolve with if they buy the MT10 - It is a challenge and a hell of lot of fun even for riders who've ridden all the big power bikes. MT10 is without doubt a beast - They are both epic and we're lucky to have the choice. Only question is which flavour you will enjoy most

[@grantwedgbrow9997]

Great review and straight to the point

[@davidvankirk607]

Got my s1000r 3 weeks ago. Already looking at the double R.

[@worlddxb]

Yamaha would last longer and is more reliable. Also things like throttle jerkiness doesn't matter because one will get used to his/her motorcycle.

[@amurika2018]

The difference in styling aesthetics matter but after a year or two, it’s not a huge considerations and they’re all good looking bikes with some slightly better. This is trumped for most people by worry-free time on the road, and low-cost longterm value not just for resale, and low-maintenance costs off warranty, but for memories on the bike. I thought Ducati (paningale) was an unreliable bike until I owned an aprila Tuono aprc. Never again.

[@peterkir82]

I've ridden both and agree with everything said in this review 100%. Only thing to add is a lot of side to side play in the throttle on MT10 too. I think most of the positive initial reviews of the MT10 was swayed by engine noise which, if that's mostly what you're into, you should be buying the Tuono 1100.

[@2WheelTours]

Price should be taken into consideration, I'm sure Yamaha want to make it more affordable. Also, I feel they were not only going for supersport but tried to make the bike tour-able, hence the MT10 Touring edition.

[@d1sturb3d119]

Beautiful review! On point about the Suzuki. I found it so jerky and difficult to modulate power at low rev's.

[@sreekanthgnair]

I've ridden both back to back and the funny thing is, theories aside, MT10 was so characterful and tons of more fun to ride. BMW just lacked the wow factor and was a bit vanilla. 😀

[@danielbond9729]

That kettle looks awesome, where can i buy one? :)

[@JasonDolson]

I had my FZ-10 tuned by 2Wheel Dyno works, added some block off plates and threw on a Pipe Werx exhaust. That twitchy throttle response has disappeared entirely. When that BMW needs any work done, you will have wished you bought the Yamaha.

[@ryanscarborough367]

Just watched this video, i do like the BMW S1000R but I'm 6'1 so I'm thinking I would be too tall for it (unfortunately) where as the MT10 it would more suit my size. Would this be right in what I'm saying? At the minute I ride a Z900 and I'm looking to trade in for a new bike

[@toninhoscotti80]

1:45 how to become a legend in one single comment SAVAGE lol

[@ASMRchildrensbookreading]

Loved the tea pot analogy. I will use that.

[@cameronbriffa4302]

A good review. Seems odd not to include a price comparison. A lot of the issues you've raised (temperature, throttle jerkiness which is annoying I have to say) can be fixed with an ECU remap.

[@riderjourney2949]

glad to see that the s1000r is still on top... i was one month on a euro trip (ca 8500km) and i had heaps of fun with it

[@insane21000]

My 2015 R1 had an abrupt throttle until I did a cat delete now it's zero issue I'll take the Yamaha 😊

[@opmike343]

I've argued at length about these god damned jerky throttles. So many people write off those of us that complain about jerky throttles as "you're just not used to all the torque!" Bullshit. Bikes like the S1000R are proof that high horsepower and high torque have absolutely nothing to do with poor throttle mapping. Having 160hp is meaningless if you can't meter it. I want the bike to tip my arms off when I want it to rip my arms off. There's other times where I simply want to make it into work.

[@rjaya.m.0159]

Is bmw using a after market pipe? Or that is stock pipe sounds like?

[@shizi]

Minus the unnecessary compliments, and rubbish = Quick and on point review. Brought up what needs to be known and kept what's best discovered by an owner or rider. Both are great bikes, but I'd go for the s1kr. Great review mates. Cheers.

[@jamiecox2506]

Love the kettle analogy!

[@PSCadu]

How does the Tuono compare against the S1000R?

[@mazan7824]

awesome review. do you think i could fit the s1000 r I'm 5'4

[@cooling9807]

5'4 should be perfect high for s1000r, iam 160cm and its around 5'2" in your country i belive. i have a 2016 s1000r, and i using standard seat. with both feets down i can only stand with my neck toe. if you want you can buy low custom make seat then you can easy flat both foot

[@RUBBERNMETAL]

Im watching this as my friend can’t seem to stop raging about the s1000r. Won’t even look at other streetfighter like the tuono or the streetfighter v4s

[@64rustyjets]

Fine review, homie. I ride a 14 S1KR and it's the best bike I've ever had, hands down. I love the Yamaha's look though, and they make a helluva bike too.

[@AJHDuk]

Good old Fernhurst... Nice upload

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Great job guys!!

[@TiagoPonteR]

If the review is aimed at just comparing the two machines, then yeah, nice review. However, if it's aimed at a consumer on the market to buy either one, the reviewers failed to address on huge elephant in the room - the price difference. Taking that into account, the MT-10 suddenly looks a lot more attractive.

[@TiagoPonteR]

Yup, I've noticed that's true for more than just Australia. In Portugal however, they are the same price, if you consider a bare bones BMW. But the options they mention in the review amount to about 1.800€. At that point, might as well throw in another 500€ and get a Tuono v4. ;)

[@dry509]

What year is the s1000r you rode?

[@johna6968]

Reliability of the BMW would always be at the back of my mind.. The mt10's looks havnt grown on me, so probably would be looking elsewhere tbh

[@Mudux]

speed triple?

[@johna6968]

Mudux Speed triple is a hell of a bike.. This sector is so competitive..

[@kirium311]

I rode both and bought a GSX-S1000f. I don't understand why the reviewer is spending time slagging the GSX-S when the review isn't about the GSX-S ? That guy's got a real hate thing going on? at the end of the day the BMW and the MT-10 aren't worth £2.5k more than the Suzuki and the throttle wasn't a problem on the bike I test rode and the one I bought. Maybe he should ride it again, with an open mind.

[@TheKasperlkopf]

*BMW has 4 riding modes. you forgot daynamic pro, which can only be unlocked after the first service when u insert that small "usb stick" under the seat

[@TheKasperlkopf]

yeah

[@abnx9670]

What does it cost to get that Dynamic Pro installed? I hear that transforms the bike, but I've yet to test ride the bike.

[@MrDevo5]

what about the price difference?

[@forrysc]

While you shouldn't have to, adding a throttle tamer to the GSXS-1000 makes the throttle on/off issue many times better. It rides after the addition of the throttle tamer about the same as the MT-10. (my buddy with an MT10 and I have switched off back and forth several times) The GSXS-1000 throttle issue complaint is legitimate. The throttle tamer makes a great bike much better.

[@onyekaonyia8395]

For a much more comprehensive (and in my opinion more balanced) comparison of both bikes, see October's issue of Bike Magazine.

[@GIGABACHI]

It's been a few months already and i still CAN'T look at that MT-10 without thinking: BOY, THAT THING IS FUGLY!...and people thought BMWs were weird looking , LMAO. TUONO 1100 all the way for me !

[@THEfindmaster]

TUONO LOL! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING. TUONO IS THE UGLIEST BIKE.

[@GIGABACHI]

+THEfindmaster Pot calling the Kettle black ? LMAO. At least the Ugly Tuono is not a half-baked product like the MT-10. 😛

[@bastrix69]

I thought the same fot the first few months, now I love it

[@ROmaniac21]

any chance for a Z1000 vs MT10?

[@bobbybackmarker9665]

I'd love the BMW but reliability wise, the Yamaha probably is the better bet. Still torn as to what the next bike will be (I have 3!)

[@jitterball]

I like how you covered pretty much everything for a street ride, rather than comparing milliseconds on Silverstone. As much as I'd like to see Yamaha win, I think BMW has everything on it! From price standpoint, though, I think Yamaha is pretty good.

[@nawneetsharad426]

How is kawasaki z1000 or zh2 as compared to these bikes

[@a.s.5280]

great comparison review, very informative and beautiful made, thx! By the way, a review between the Aprilia Tuono Factory and the S1000R would be absolutely great.

[@floyd700]

I watched all kinds of videos before I bought my bike(2017 MT10). Nothing I watched really mattered once I actually got out sitting on and riding different bikes. The truth is, they dont really make bad bikes, but no two bikes feel the same. Th very moment I sat on my bike I knew it was the one for me.

[@zenden6564]

BMW are redesigning a refresh of the S1000R and I hope Yamaha can do the same for its childish headlight nacelle thingy. As it stands the Tuono is clearly the best looking (to my eyes) of the class and best sounding with reportedly the best handling on road and track. Too bad in Australia they are so over priced compared to say South Africa. The reviewer didn't "dig" the Yammy groove at all but was fine with a vibbey BMW?...Personally I find the big inline-4 vibes induce hand numbness and to me that is a deal breaker. The Yammy exhaust has a chortling music sound and a sweetly smooth(!) inline-4. Let's see what BMW's reply comes up with.

[@gregvertigan1432]

What’s the price difference

[@Addy29plus5]

Excellent review. Bike shouldn’t be a hassle to ride

[@negenelf123]

Owned both , the Bwm is very good but very boring , the Mt-10 sp is so much fun to ride !

[@thisisbenji90]

I prefer the BMW as well, but good luck finding the bar model here in the USA. It seems that everyone on the dealer floor is more than $2,500 more than the Yamaha.

[@Dirtboyindahouse]

not really...the only thing the Yamaha doesnt have is electronic suspension...and if you want TCS, cruise control, and all of the other electronics then the BMW is going to be AT LEAST 2K more then the yamaha (speaking in the canadian market)

[@nortondlcl]

s1000R clear winner but MT-10 still a nice bike

[@dry509]

What year are these bikes?

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

A fair & brilliant review.

[@yardblah5161]

this was really good subbed!

[@FireTwo]

I'd take the BMW... If there wasn't a little thing called a Tuono 1100 or superdukeR

[@2391jessie]

Tuono 1100 Great Sound but jerky at light throttle & hot thighs?

[@RandomName..]

the tuono is the best bike to ride, I loved it. The only things against it are the fuel consumption which is the same as the MT-10 and the fact that two traffic lights are enough to to reach 104°C. But the riding quality is much more solid and racier.

[@THEfindmaster]

Too bad the Tuono is Ugly AF

[@iTxip]

I think it looks better than the bmw, and MUCH beter than the yamaha

[@THEfindmaster]

iTxip only because you are a aprillia fan. aprillias looks shit compared to other bikes

[@javedfazil6686]

mt10 for me. but my brand new vmax is already on its way to my house

[@VTECheart]

1:45 haha love the attitude. great video

[@mimimmimmimim]

I'd say, German Fetish had embraced into the bone marrow of British, but I won't :D On the other hand, I really wonder how would the comparison fare today, since then-newly-launched-model is now more mature... S1000RR was already there for years when this review took place (and has won our hearths)... Anyways, thanks for the time and effort...

[@MrSimonfoz]

Great review cheers.

[@Ewecnt]

I have owned both and agree the BMW is a far better machine. Back on a super sports now but that BMW was an animal naked. Would lean into corners like crazy too.

[@bailey9r]

The MT10 is in need of a good tune more so than other new bikes, the choppy throttle is easy to cure and @ 8000 RPM it is restricted to 60% opening so that is why it didn't seem to have as much top end.

[@angelodaniele641]

i had both bikes and i completely disagree with that review..... The brakes you can fix it with 100euros, but you cant do nothing and the review doesnt talk about the feeling from the chassis that the mt10 can give it to you that you cant even compare with bmw... And you cant find another bike with that feeling in very twisty roads and event at high speed on highway..... except the tuono v4. Believe me. I rode both bikes and mt10 is really better than bmw. Yes the brakes and the throttle response are really better in bmw but the hole package is completely better in yamaha's bike.

[@freemaysin5088]

had both, kept beamer.

[@-runningwithscissors-9766]

Please sir, may I have a Tuono?