🎹 Yamaha P225 vs Kawai ES120: Ultimate Digital Piano Showdown 🎹

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@aselma10
@aselma10 Жыл бұрын
To my ears the Yamaha sounds like a real grand , while with the kawai I was able to tell its digital . Yamaha for my opinion is the boss of digital pianos
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! We really appreciate it. :)
@watcher9987
@watcher9987 6 ай бұрын
Opposite for me grew up on Steinway.
@aselma10
@aselma10 6 ай бұрын
@watcher9987 Steinway is great , I'm tallink about the ability of digital pianos to sound like a real piano , especially when playing things like classical and Jazz .
@watcher9987
@watcher9987 6 ай бұрын
@@aselma10 roland
@gavinkatz6260
@gavinkatz6260 6 ай бұрын
@@watcher9987would you choose the kawai es 120 or Roland fp30x?
@happenstancecv
@happenstancecv Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review!! Low Yamaha 9:08 Kawai 9:26 Mid Yamaha 9:41 Kawai 10:02 High Yamaha 10:27 Kawai 10:53
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! :)
@goaheadskinit
@goaheadskinit 7 ай бұрын
This was perfect thank you
@winterheat
@winterheat 11 ай бұрын
I was able to test a Yamaha P225 in a store. The black keys near the felt area can be pressed down softly. The white keys near the felt area is at the limit of being able to be pressed down softly. The P125 was slightly easier. The other pianos like Roland FP-30X, 90X, didn't have such an issue.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
I'm happy to hear that you had a chance to audition the piano in person! Thanks for sharing your experiences. :)
@Zoco101
@Zoco101 11 ай бұрын
As Stu hinted, at this price point, Roland makes better actions. To begin with, Roland's PHA-4 has triple sensors and let-off. It also has a deep travel, though some players don't like this. Action is a huge issue if you're playing any classical music. Otherwise, preferences over patches and built-in speakers might be more important to a clued-up customer. Just to confuse things, the final sound character is also influenced by the playing style and the action's ability to respond to that style. I like the upright piano sound on the ES-120. The DP industry tends to dismiss upright patches, seldom conspicuously incorporating them, but they can be wonderful too. At this point in time, home digital pianos (and many portables) are used almost exclusively as substitutes for uprights. And then they are expected to sound and feel like grand pianos? But the best grand pianos would sound all wrong in our homes, and this is where the design of Kawai's NV5 (with upright action) becomes understandable. And who do we know that owns one? Answer: Stu. Ironically, he probably uses the SK-EX (grand) patch with it. I hope he picks an upright patch sometimes - for authencity's sake.
@fleshpie2129
@fleshpie2129 9 ай бұрын
@@Zoco101 is there a still problem with clicky keys on Roland? Red many reviews where they mention some problems with grease spreding on keys and making clicky sounds
@Zoco101
@Zoco101 9 ай бұрын
@@fleshpie2129 In the video I saw, Stu seemed satisfied that Roland has changed the type of grease on the PHA4 action (to one that doesn't roll away) and that presumably (without the pandemic) there is no more likelyhood of new DPs getting stored in awkward positions in containers for long periods of time. I cannot say conclusively that it is solved, but the scare stories would not deter me from buying a Roland with the PHA4 action. I still believe that it is one of the very best plastic actions available today, and I do like it, though I don't currently own any Roland products.
@FumikoKasai
@FumikoKasai 11 ай бұрын
Hello, Stu-san. I am writing from Japan and I purchased ES120 yesterday after watching your video and trying both of them. Your video was so supporting for my decision. I prefer the sound of KAWAI which is generally called deep and quiet in Japan. The sound of P-225 sounded bright and sparkling for me and I felt it was kind of childish. The price in Japan ES-120 is about USD480 and P225 is about USD360 (@JPY146/USD).
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Hello, from Canada! :) We're glad to hear that Stu's video review/comparison was helpful. Congrats on your ES120! I think "Deep and quiet" is a wonderful description of the Kawai sound. However, the company's Shigeru Kawai grands are quite powerful in my experiences! ;)
@FumikoKasai
@FumikoKasai 11 ай бұрын
I am happy to hear from you. Regarding Shigeru Kawai grand, at the show room of Kawai, they let me play it even though I am a beginner. It was shining like Godfather of Piano. I hope to watch Stu-san play Shigeru Kawai grand someday. Stu-san's performance has a rich and unique atmosphere, so I am sure it goes well with Shigeru Kawai grand. @@MerriamPianos
@trombulan
@trombulan 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Now that is some fantastic prices. In my country ES120 is 760USD and P225 is 1100USD 😅
@gabrielgama2892
@gabrielgama2892 Ай бұрын
@@trombulan I have ES120 for about USD 550 and the P-225 for about USD 580. Although Yamaha is having a promo where they give back USD 50 if you buy the P-225 until January 15, so it's very compelling right now
@SWAPNILsMUSIC
@SWAPNILsMUSIC Жыл бұрын
kawai is the actual boss against yamaha but i would say the sound is much improved in p225 are compared to the previous p125. Kawai has more bright tone and warm specially when we go to lower octives> I have recently brought Kawai and i am very happy and satisfied. Thank you sir for taking the request of my previous comment.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thank you for supporting the channel and tuning in! We appreciate it. And congrats on your new Kawai! Happy playing! :)
@pranavjayaprakasanut
@pranavjayaprakasanut 2 ай бұрын
No Yamaha is the boss
@Arthomian
@Arthomian Жыл бұрын
As usual, a comprehensive and detailed comparison! Thanks Stu! By the way, I don't entirely agree that shorter keysticks don't matter for beginners. As a piano teacher, I can say that small hands always have to play “inside” from the start in order to reach black keys as soon as the first accidentals are required. Children in particular will struggle with the heavier touch as they also lack the muscle strength to compensate. The children then tend to stretch their fingers and thus train an unfavorable technique. This is also a problem with some upright pianos. This should be taken into account, especially if the instrument is being purchased for children.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing your insights! For young students studying classical piano, I can certainly understand your points of concern. Thanks again and all the best!
@PashikTT
@PashikTT 8 ай бұрын
Hi, just read your comment as I am choosing piano for myself but with the idea that my kids might pick up my new hobby. I almost decided to go for roland fp 30x, but someone told me that the keys on roland will be way too hard for kids of 8 y.o . THis is why I ended up here watching reviews for pianos with supposedly lighter key actions. do you think, as a teacher, that roland's keys would be too hard for kids? Thx in advance
@Arthomian
@Arthomian 8 ай бұрын
@@PashikTT no, i don‘t think so. Roland builds very fine and controlled actions even to their cheapest models. A little bit of weight and resistance helps to control the movements, and it is more easy to articulate different dynamics. The action of a real acoustic piano is normally heavier than on electric pianos, even Roland‘s... And for centuries children have played on acoustic instruments. There should be no problem.
@PashikTT
@PashikTT 8 ай бұрын
@@Arthomian Many thanks for your opinion. I can say that it is a relief for me. I have watched way too many reviews, made up my mind already to the point where I almost admire Roland and the idea of dropping Roland and dive into new search for another piano terrifies me to say at least. Will drive to a music shop today to try it out. Thx again
@abath07
@abath07 11 ай бұрын
I own a 2022 Kawai CA99 ($6,800) and a 2022 Kawai ES120 ($800) the model shown in this review. I actually prefer playing the ES120 over the CA99 because the action and response are that darn good in the ES120.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
That is awesome! It comes down to personal preference and subjectivity. The ES120 is quite the impressive unit! It isn't always a matter of the more expensive option being the preferred one when it comes to musical instruments. :)
@dejan.stankovic
@dejan.stankovic 11 ай бұрын
What really surprises me is that, to my ears Yamaha simply sound more pleasant and somehow "tamed", while Kawai sounds somehow broader but "wilder". In other words though samples on Kawai seem to be better or closer to real piano, Yamaha sounds somehow better to me. Better is not good word, though. Different, closer to my taste. To be clear, I never owned Yamaha keyboard, I actually had Kawai long time ago, so I certainly I am not biased by name of manufacturer. I don't know, maybe Yamaha piano sound somehow dominated pop music for several decades so it stayed in my mind as "right" piano. I also like very much different choices of piano sounds on Kawai. I don't know now what I'd buy from those two pianos 🤔 PS Thank you for stellar presentation, as usually 👍👍👍
@edwardlee7046
@edwardlee7046 Ай бұрын
I’m a beginner but the sound on the Kawai, it’s distinctive, there’s character to the way the sound moves. I hope I make sense on that.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Ай бұрын
Absolutely! The ES120 has incredibly authentic tone for this price point. :)
@mattelvislindsay1326
@mattelvislindsay1326 9 ай бұрын
The problem with the Roland FP30x for example is that it takes a slightly longer for it to come back up when you are playing real fast. This can be very disturbing. As far as sound quality between the p225 and this Kawai, to me the Kawai is just kind of hard to listen to. It doesn't sound like a real piano to me. Maybe it's just because I play on Yamaha a lot and I'm used to the way they sound lol. But to me the Yamaha sounds more mellow and less electronic than the Roland or the Kawai😅 That's just my opinion but buy whichever pleases you
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
You certainly make a great point! So much about what we gravitate towards musically (both in terms of touch and tone) is a direct result of what we're familiar with and what we've been exposed to throughout our life musically. At the end of the day, the P225, ES120, and FP30X are all excellent options that appeal to different players. The most important thing is to find the model that you resonate with. :)
@mattelvislindsay1326
@mattelvislindsay1326 9 ай бұрын
@@MerriamPianos very true. I've been playing mostly Yamaha for many years. That's what I'm used to. I guess that explains why I think it sounds more authentic.
@mattelvislindsay1326
@mattelvislindsay1326 8 ай бұрын
@@MerriamPianos I bet if I played on some other brand like Roland or Casio or Kawaii or Korg or Nord or probably any of them, if I played on that for maybe a year or two and then I played Yamaha again it might not sound right anymore because my ears may have adjusted to a different sound by then. Lol
@DRT813
@DRT813 14 күн бұрын
It seems to be rare to find someone in the comments, who prefers the Yamaha sound when compared with Kawai and Roland. But I agree, the Yamaha sounds the most pleasant to my ear, the most "pure" piano sound. I don't know if I just heard more real Yamaha pianos in my life or not, but it's my personal preference. Interestingly from the Kawai I liked the "upright piano" sound best and that makes me wonder if the Yamaha sound is just closer to uprights in general (= what I hear way more than grands) and the others to grand pianos.
@abath07
@abath07 11 ай бұрын
From the review: the Kawai ES120 "has the fattest raw audio samples... super authentic acoustic piano experience... very colorful, very rich and warm sound"... "the Kawai has the longer key stick than the Yamaha"... the Yamaha has "shorter key sticks" (harder to play as you play further back on the keys))
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
The Kawai ES120 is certainly an impressive instrument with an excellent blend of authentic tone and touch. :)
@fabriziop8044
@fabriziop8044 Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Yamaha sound 🎊 🎉
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your insights! :)
@thecutmusic1
@thecutmusic1 Жыл бұрын
The Kawai has such a warmer, more well-rounded tone. much more pleasant on the ears.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It is a very beautiful, authentic tone! Thanks for tuning in! :)
@thecutmusic1
@thecutmusic1 Жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos oh I get that bell notification. I look forward to anything Stu reviews! ✌🏼
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 Жыл бұрын
That's my feeling too. The Yamaha is perhaps more authentic sounding, but the ES-120 is more listenable.
@Zoco101
@Zoco101 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the old warmer sound generalisation. Don't be fooled by the first thing you hear coming out of each piano or by the limitations of KZbin streaming. The final sound you get depends very largely on location, and will change with altered acoustics. But The sound you will need depends on application. Home practice is not the same as band rehearsing or gigging or recording. These pianos are portable pianos (with line outputs) precisely so they can be used in any of these applications. Happily, the two pianos each have several piano sounds offering assorted tonal characteristics. On many Yamaha pianos, the third sound (often called GP3) has a much thicker tone -a bit more akin to the favourite Kawai sound. I'm currently using that on my Yamaha P-255, which uses the older CFiiiS sounds. I love it. For reasons of functionality, however, the ES120 looks like a good deal to me. The P-225, less so.
@thecutmusic1
@thecutmusic1 Жыл бұрын
@@Zoco101 lol. For sure. I’ve been lucky enough to try all of Kawai’s digital line as well as play on their line of acoustic pianos, and I’ve done the same with Yamaha. My city has both a Yamaha dealer and a Kawai dealer within 15 miles of each other. And after all the pianos I’ve played, Kawai always takes me. Easily get lost in the richness of tone. But like you said, Yamaha is a great gigging piano because of the brighter tones which allow it to punch through in a live mix easier than the Kawai.
@javiervargas1428
@javiervargas1428 Жыл бұрын
Yamaha is ok. But Kawai has life, spirit. Of course this is not his best model, but kawai is unique.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Kawai digitals certainly have a very rich, nuanced, and authentic piano tone! :)
@strayside5564
@strayside5564 9 ай бұрын
Hello, thanks for your review! I just can’t decide between the Kawai ES-120 and the Roland FP30X. I play at an intermediate level, and I want to choose a piano for the long term. I understand that Kawai sounds better and more lively, but Roland has 3 sensors, and that's why I'm at a loss.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent here! For me, I tend to prioritize the action I prefer because, at the end of the day, it is the invariable component of the piano. You can always add more speaker power by connecting the piano to an external amplifier and you can always access different piano tones via VST piano plugins. The action is the invariable element. Thanks and hope this helps! :)
@bandaloop3759
@bandaloop3759 11 күн бұрын
Once I tried the roland I realized I hated it for classical. Very sluggish and heavy response
@strayside5564
@strayside5564 8 күн бұрын
@ Already using Roland for 8 months, and yes I agree with you. Keys so hard for classical, but after this keyboard every piano seems easy to “feel”
@Ajaykumarr89
@Ajaykumarr89 2 күн бұрын
@@strayside5564same doubt mate. I can’t decide to go for roland fp 30x. Stu always prefer fp30x but many users say the action is sluggish and poor
@goorackerelite
@goorackerelite 2 ай бұрын
this is the best comparison on KZbin . I can't believe how much more I preferred the Yamaha
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! We're glad you found the video helpful. :)
@milmolas4913
@milmolas4913 Жыл бұрын
Can you please include a popular classical piece when comparing sounds? (Fur Elise or Debussy Clair De...) it is very helpful
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! I will pass it onto Stu and our production team. Thanks for taking the time to check out the video! :)
@larjasoul
@larjasoul 2 ай бұрын
the best piano is whichever one stu is sitting in front of this guy could make a fisher price piano sound like a million bucks
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
Haha for sure! Stu's playing definitely helps support the notion that "tone is in the fingers." I will be happy to pass on your kind words to him! :)
@GTS-Olivier
@GTS-Olivier 9 ай бұрын
I recently got into playing Piano and discovered your channel. I really appreciate your reviews. Also great presentation skills!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly! We're so happy to hear that you've been enjoying Stu's video reviews and comparisons. We appreciate it! :)
@samdrey6555
@samdrey6555 8 ай бұрын
I find the Yamaha piano sound a bit warmer than the ES120 though ... but again it's through KZbin and laptop speakers so cannot really tell for sure 🤔 However, I am initially a church organ player so church organ sounds are important for me as well, and I find the Yamaha church organ sounds way closer to my village's church organ sound than on the Kawai ! I think that is what will make me lean towards the P225 ... thanks for the nice review ! 👍👍
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 8 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Thank you for taking the time to tune in! These are both very solid instruments. At the end of the day, the decision comes down to the tone and touch preferences of the player. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
@sonic2000gr
@sonic2000gr Жыл бұрын
Again the difference in prices is reversed in Europe, the kawai is about 180 euros cheaper than the P-225 but I would still consider them in the same category. I do tend to (again) like the Yamaha's sound more than the Kawai. If I ever get the chance, I would also like to compare the actions.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It is interesting that the price gaps vary quite drastically from market to market. I would certainly recommend testing both pianos out in person as that is the best way to compare the sound and, especially, touch of the pianos. :)
@SKRUBL0RD
@SKRUBL0RD 10 ай бұрын
wow that yamaha sounds incredible
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
These are both very excellent sounding pianos. They offer a different flavour musically, each of which will resonate with different players depending on their musical tastes.
@m3rc743
@m3rc743 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Glad to finally be able to release it! :)
@falcon81701
@falcon81701 2 ай бұрын
I agree with the comments regarding the aesthetic of the Yamaha. The finish and quality of the Yamaha seemed better to me compared the the roland and Kawai. Especially the buttons and controls. Yamaha seemed to be a higher standard
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
It all comes down to personal taste and opinion of course. These are both very solid pianos that are capable of providing very rewarding musical experiences. :)
@skipmatsey8352
@skipmatsey8352 4 ай бұрын
Having owned both Es110 & Es120, I experienced issues with keys going out. Replaced with a P125 with no issues. The Yamaha build quality is better.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that you experienced issues with the ES110 and ES120. That is quite rare in my experiences. They're usually extremely durable and reliable instruments. I'm glad you have found an instrument that has been reliable for you. That is very important of course!
@elazar1333
@elazar1333 2 ай бұрын
It's a tough choice for me between the Kawai es-120 and Yamaha p225. Both seem to be good. Any one of these models objectively better in your opinion? Do you favor the Kawai es120s action over the action of the Yamaha p-225?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
Hi there! It really comes down to a matter of personal preference, but, in my opinion, the ES120 offers a more authentic musical experience. I feel that the piano tones are more authentic and I would also give an edge to the action in terms of playability.
@a.c.6020
@a.c.6020 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great job on the review! Highly appreciated. Cheers.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thank you so much for tuning in! :)
@JoshHumble
@JoshHumble 5 ай бұрын
These are both great models. I just picked up a Roland FP30x, but will be returning it for the Yamaha in this review. The Roland is really nice until you start getting a random popping sound from various keys due to a grease or lubricant issue. It's only been a week, and I get keys popping up all over the place. Looking online, it's been a problem with the FP30x and other Roland boards for at least a few years. So def consider the Yamaha or Kawai in this review.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 5 ай бұрын
Hi there! I'm sorry to hear that you have had a bad experience with the FP30X. I am aware of a batch that had some issues with grease/lubrication. However, I will say that Roland's post-sale warranty support is excellent. They could certainly resolve that issue for you with no charge to you under warranty. In any case, I hope that you end up with a piano that you thoroughly enjoy. :)
@JoshHumble
@JoshHumble 5 ай бұрын
@MerriamPianos Thanks so much! Love your reviews, and they've been very helpful and enjoyable. Just walked in with my new Yamaha P225 - likely a little more suitable for my liking, too. It seems Roland's unique triple sensor PHA4 action causes the random grease issues for various Roland boards, and has been an on and off problem for a few years (from my online research). Considering I could still return the Roland for the Yamaha, i went ahead and did so.
@lonelywolfd6529
@lonelywolfd6529 4 ай бұрын
​​@@JoshHumblehey i'm having the same issue with Roland fp 30x and its really noticible with the black keys and as You said im afraid i'll have to change it instead for a Yamaha p225 or kawai es120, i want to know your experience with the Yamaha piano, could give some pros and cons comparing your p225 to the Roland fp 30x, sound,action noise (specially this one) ,speakers all of that, i would really appreciate your opinión on this subject, thx and if You have some experience with Kawai es 120 please share it here :)
@JoshHumble
@JoshHumble 4 ай бұрын
@lonelywolfd6529 I overall like the Yamaha more. It's warmer, smoother. Like a lot of people say, it's better for jazz and a lot of non-classical. The Roland is brighter, heavier feel on hammer action. They're both very nice, but Roland kinda irked me with the issue affecting some units. They gotta fix that. I do notice the Yamaha's speakers to be a little bassy, though - too much for some things. Line out to different monitors would help. Also - and this is an oddity to me, the decay and release is a little long and loud when sustaining notes to me. Just not something I noticed with the Roland or the cheap Casio 88 key I had. Makes me want to edit it just a little with an ADSR amplitude adjustment. Tamper off the decay and release just a little. I really like the Yamaha overall, though.
@lonelywolfd6529
@lonelywolfd6529 4 ай бұрын
@@JoshHumble thank you si much for your response, ill have your comments into account for my final decision
@pinheiroartur3020
@pinheiroartur3020 3 ай бұрын
The Name of the Game - This channel is probably “the best piano channel” in the world….and it’s a pity that Stu stopped to do vst piano programs…but everything His playing is a high taste and skill….no doubt ….A
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 3 ай бұрын
I know Stu appreciates those incredibly kind words! Thanks for tuning in and supporting our channel! :)
@Riku9361
@Riku9361 9 ай бұрын
Idk the kawai is probably going to have the better action but the yamaha sounds considerably better to my ears. Should I just go with the yamaha based off that?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
It is ultimately a personal decision. For what it's worth, I tend to prioritize action when selecting a digital piano because it is the invariable component of the design. You can always get more speaker power by connecting the piano to an external amp and you can always get different piano tones via VST piano plugins. The action is the thing that you're ultimately stuck with. Thanks and hope this helps! :)
@paulhenry1767
@paulhenry1767 3 ай бұрын
Played both today and I bonded a bit more with the Yamaha, but I need some more quality time with the Kawai to make the final call. BTW here in the USA the Kawai is $300 more than the Yamaha.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 3 ай бұрын
They're both very solid pianos that offer excellent value of course. It all comes down to touch and tone preferences of course. :)
@witchinggecko4271
@witchinggecko4271 8 ай бұрын
I think I am liking the yamaha more than the Kawai. With the kawai you it sounds much more like the notes are being played from a speaker while the yamaha feels like it's actually creating the sounds by string (hope that makes sense). I guess I will have to test how the keys feel in person. My only piano experience is the roughly 60 years old acoustic piano of my mother, which, although its innards have been fully replaced at some point, also has quite heavy white key action in the black key area.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 8 ай бұрын
That is certainly fair to say! Tonal preference is a very subjective matter, so tastes will vary from player to player of course. At the end of the day, it is always a good idea to assess a piano in person whenever possible. :)
@m3rc743
@m3rc743 6 ай бұрын
Hey, it's because the Speaker EQ setting is set on which can cause a difference in the actual sample. when you turn it off it sounds much warmer and fuller. Though I love the Yamaha too. Might actually get one for myself when I find the budget. Cheers!
@WorldOfRock4U
@WorldOfRock4U Жыл бұрын
Thanx for the wonderful review, I cant afford both at once, so I'll get the yamaha, this month and the kawai next month! THANKS AGAIN!, I'M very SENSITIVE TO THE ACTION of the keys and HAVING GROWN UP ON A SHIMMEL 6 FT GRAND and a 9ft yamaha. I bought a fender strat today, funny thing I've never played a strat before, so It'll be an interesting experience.- used to playing gibson les pauls and other electric guitars , Ibanez, telecasters etc. Great review very helpful!!!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks so much for tuning in and congrats on your new Strat! The P225 and ES120 are both excellent pianos. As most musicians will understand, one can never have too much gear. ;)
@WorldOfRock4U
@WorldOfRock4U Жыл бұрын
After moving out of my moms house- I Bought myself a baldwin upright in college..... and I was wondering if slightly out of tune upright pianos are also also sampled on electric pianos - to me it would be SO KEWL if they could be made to do that!@@MerriamPianos That baldwin had the best honky tonk sound ever! Fun times in college! Can't wait to brush up on some Scott Joplin!!! along with a dirty lead provided by a stratocaster! (makes me wonder if it was a form of child abuse because my mom NEVER let the shimmel or the yamaha get out of tune ever!!! If it was abuse, it couldnt have been that bad, I have no desire to be dictator of the U.S.!
@matszh
@matszh 7 ай бұрын
Just curious: Why getting two budget instead of one high-end, like the Roland FP90X or Yamaha P515, if you’re really picky about the action?
@WorldOfRock4U
@WorldOfRock4U 7 ай бұрын
@@matszh THE YAMAHA I got feels like any grand I've ever played, they've been making pianos since 1901, they definitely know what they're doing
@user-M.O.
@user-M.O. Жыл бұрын
They both sound great to me. But i am very picky with the feeling of the keys. They changed the key bed of the p525 so it is different from the p515. My question is what keyboard is the closest ro a grand piano. And feel more grippy and less slippery. I want the closest possible to a grand. But upgrading from a gear4music sdp2 I guess it will be a huge jump...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
I think you will certainly be experiencing a far more authentic experience in either case! With that said, determining which one is more authentic feeling really is a matter of subjectivity and personal opinion. For me, an authentic piano experience is created through the symbiotic relationship of the tone and touch. In my opinion, the ES920 is one of the very best instruments on the market in this regard (especially in this price category). :)
@Zoco101
@Zoco101 11 ай бұрын
Since there are now so many digital pianos which are highly dependent on apps, isn't it time to do an app comparison review? We need to push manufacturers to improve these things. Multi-track recording/sequencing (even 4 tracks) would be nice, but I know that Smart Pianist can't do that.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
That is an excellent suggestion! I will certainly pass that along to our production team. I think it would be quite an interesting topic to explore. :)
@DaraM73
@DaraM73 Жыл бұрын
Another great video. Cheers
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! :)
@Rulon-bo1ig
@Rulon-bo1ig 9 ай бұрын
From this video I’d be happy with either. Kawais a bit cheaper here for me but I’m willing to pay the extra if I prefer the yamys action.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
They are certainly both solid pianos. The choice will come down to the personal preferences of the player. :)
@Rulon-bo1ig
@Rulon-bo1ig 9 ай бұрын
@@MerriamPianos ok, I’m more interested in the electric piano emulations like Rhodes type sounds than the grand piano emulations strangely. Which do you prefer? I know Yamaha pull that off well.
@williampleasant9563
@williampleasant9563 10 ай бұрын
Low and mid range I like the Yamaha far better, but! High range the Kawai wins out. Over all I love the sound of Yamaha. Thank you Stu.😅
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts on these pianos. We appreciate it. :)
@GlenAmes
@GlenAmes 10 ай бұрын
Since I use a virtual piano with DAW, the expressiveness and feel of the ACTION is much more important. Which one FELT like a REAL piano more?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
It really comes down to a matter of subjectivity. Personally, I find the ES120 has a more authentic feel compared to the P225. The ES120 has a feel that I tend to compare to an upright piano action. Other models with heavier touches, such as the FP30X feel a bit more like an acoustic grand piano. In terms of what the best choice is really comes down to personal preference.
@michaelhawkins1173
@michaelhawkins1173 Жыл бұрын
For me the only way to hear what's what is for a Little Richard, Liberace or chopin to be played. All that Freinds vib is some what apologetic to what can be achieved. Other than that, thank you for your video. I really enjoyed it..
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in! We're really happy to hear that you enjoyed the video! :)
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104 9 ай бұрын
YAMAHA sounds like a real piano
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
The P225 is a very solid instrument! Both of these pianos are excellent and quite authentic sounding. They simply offer a different musical flavour.
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104 9 ай бұрын
No doubt.
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104
@jarbasgoulartdecastro9104 8 ай бұрын
I just bought the 225 !!!! Yamaha Concert CFX sample.Amazing! Thank you!
@jagjiwanram2206
@jagjiwanram2206 4 ай бұрын
I also ordered p225.
@thomaswenger5036
@thomaswenger5036 Жыл бұрын
Exciting comparison. In other reviews, the ES-120 sounded different via the line-out output than here: more direct, more broadband like the Yamaha. Here the ES-120 sounds similar to the microphone via the line-out: more inidirect/remote and somewhat limited frequency response. Could it be that the line-out of the ES-120 has switched on some kind of (3D) effect here?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in! I am not sure to be honest. I would have to ask the production team if there were any specific settings being used to capture the line-out sound.
@WorldOfRock4U
@WorldOfRock4U Жыл бұрын
I agree, good word, I too was excited when I found this comparison!
@Emanuel_Rosado
@Emanuel_Rosado 11 ай бұрын
Excellent review, thank you very much, I love tenor keys of pianos and you are one of the few who do reviews playing the tenor keys, they sound impressive!! One question...does the Yamaha P225 sound louder than the P125? I see that the successor now has large speakers and the P125 has somewhat small speakers...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thank you kindly! We're glad you enjoyed the comparison! :) While I haven't tried the P125 and P225 side-by-side, my impression is that the P225 is slightly louder in terms of perceived volume.
@flaviodrusovalerio2825
@flaviodrusovalerio2825 8 ай бұрын
So. If I enjoy playing just for myself or family or friends Liszt and Thalberg transcriptions of other authors, which one is better to keep the fingers in shape?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 8 ай бұрын
It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. They are both solid instruments. However, for me, the touch and tone of the ES120 make it more well-suited for the type of classical piano playing you are describing. :)
@MrJabza
@MrJabza Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this! I just got a es120 as my first piano and it’s great to play. One thing I noticed with the built-in speakers is a faint buzz (doesn’t change with volume) and goes away with headphones, have you noticed that?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Congrats on your ES120! I am confident that you will be very happy with what it offers musically. I have not experienced a buzz with the speakers. I would recommend connecting with the dealer you purchased it from. There may be an issue with the unit.
@clancywoodbine5343
@clancywoodbine5343 Жыл бұрын
Listening on headphones - neither of them sound *amazing*....but the Yamaha definitely has the edge and sounds more natural. The Kawai tries to be more hyper-realistic, but it winds up sounding less convincing as a result...it has a bit more of a tinny, "emulation-y" sound. Whereas the Yamaha isn't trying that hard, and while it sounds less 3-dimensional, it also sounds better as a result - it does what it does relatively seamlessly...if I heard someone singing and playing piano on the Yamaha, the piano sound wouldn't attract my attention at all, and I mean that in a good way - it would just go unnoticed because it just sounds like a piano to the point where unless you're really looking for it, you're not going to notice it's digital. Even if it doesn't sound like the best piano in the world, it sounds right. If I heard someone singing and playing on the Kawai, I would find the piano sound distracting and unconvincing.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your insights! At the end of the day, it really comes down to a matter of personal preference. Tone and touch is a very subjective matter of course. :)
@Aywords0
@Aywords0 10 ай бұрын
How do you record the pianos?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
We generally take direct line outs from the pianos that run into a Focusrite Scarlett audio interface. We don't do any post-processing on the sounds in order to keep things as transparent and representative of the actual pianos' sounds as possible. :)
@josephj6521
@josephj6521 Жыл бұрын
Great review Stu. I have an idea. We selected our digital preference by comparing acoustic pianos in the store. Surprised how great they compared. Could you review the Kawai digital with a Kawai acoustic and same for the Yamaha? Unsure if it’ll be worthwhile.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thanks so much for the suggestion! That would be a very cool video to tackle. I will pass the suggestion along to our production team.
@mfurman
@mfurman Жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@giusgius9299
@giusgius9299 2 ай бұрын
To my ear Yamaha sounds much much better, as far as piano sound is concerned.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
That is certainly fair! It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts. :)
@rafaelmatosdasilva
@rafaelmatosdasilva 9 ай бұрын
Another great video! Is it possible to overwrite the default sound settings on the P225 without using the Smart Pianist so that it loads my custom configuration every time I turn the piano on? Its a bit of a pain if i have to redo my reverb, room and sensitivity settings etc every time my piano is turned off.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thank you kindly! While I don't have a ton of personal experience with the finer details of the P225, I believe the Smart Pianist app has "registration memory," which allows you to save custom setups of voice, effects, layering, and rhythm configurations for quick and convenient recall. :)
@area49g12
@area49g12 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, from my ears the Yamaha sounds slightly more defined on the bottom and more crisp overall. Always enjoy listening to your virtuoso playing ;-)
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly for tuning in! I'll be sure to pass on your kind words to Stu! :)
@serifpersia
@serifpersia 9 ай бұрын
I've purchased the Kawai ES120B should arrive in 1-3 days. Hopefully the 700 euro I'm going to pay for it will be worth the upgrade from broken no audio Yamaha P-95(2010 tech GHS action I bought it used in 2021 I believe.) Hopefully its going to be fun and pleasant to play on.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
Congrats on your ES120! It is a phenomenal piano with a great touch and tone. I am quite confident you will be thrilled with what it has to offer. :)
@diandrubarbuti3901
@diandrubarbuti3901 7 ай бұрын
@serifpersia any thoughts so far?
@ChunkyKong-47
@ChunkyKong-47 Жыл бұрын
Would you ever consider reviewing some of Donner’s digital keyboards? Maybe the SE- 1 or one of the ddp models? They’re marketed as being mostly for beginners and intermediate players and are priced between $500-900. For the price and the features I think the se-1 especially might be good to review as a kind what’s out there aside from the big names and how some of these products intended to challenge/undercut the market match up Personally ive had the the Se-1 for maybe a little over a year and would say it definitely has certain limitations when it comes to sound quality and feel(the action is somewhat light), but for a beginner who is focused solely on the piano sounds I think it’s a pretty good deal pricewise compared to other models in the same category.I also think intermediate players could get a lot out of it as it’s decent enough, although I would recommend other options to intermediate players if money wasn’t a factor.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
We have reviewed Donner models in the past, such as the DDP300, which can be seen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZDOf4t_jtGjr8k With that said, we're not Donner dealers, so it is a bit tougher for us to tackle reviews for their models. We do periodically get Donner pianos in on trade, so, if that happens, we may be able to tackle some reviews/comparisons of that line. Thanks for the suggestion!
@Roberto-qb2dj
@Roberto-qb2dj Жыл бұрын
Ciao Stu, li ho provati entrambi ma mi sarei aspettato qualche cosa di più da Yamaha rispetto al p125a in fatto di campionamenti. E' stato aggiunto solo il cfx e mi sembra più scuro rispetto al suono del p125a I piani elettrici e gli organi sono sempre di alta qualità ma sono gli stessi del p125a. Kawai ha una qualità sonora nei pianoforti più articolata, mentre meno dettagli rispetto Yamaha p225 si trovano nei piani elettrici e soprattutto negli organi. Eccezionali da parte di Kawai gli strings che superano anche Roland e Yamaha. Peccato per i prezzi che distanziano parecchio questi due pianoforti digitali. Qui in Italia il prezzo per Yamaha p225 è fissato ad eur 800,00 mentre il prezzo del Kawai è allineato a quello di Roland fp 30x intorno ai 589,00 eur. Questi pianoforti li ho confrontati anche con Casio px s1100 che per me per caratteristiche e prezzo rimane un best buy. Un saluto dall'Italia.❤
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! As always, thanks for tuning in and sharing your insights! Every instrument definitely has its strong points when it comes to the non-piano sounds. That is why every player will ultimately have a different opinion when it comes to which piano is the "best" out of the options available at this price point.
@CosmicTaco333
@CosmicTaco333 Жыл бұрын
Good vid. Very informative.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@milmolas4913
@milmolas4913 Жыл бұрын
Which action do you like more between those two?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I have played the ES120 far more extensively than the P225 at this point, so, maybe that has something to do with it, but I personally favour the RHC action on the ES120.
@milmolas4913
@milmolas4913 Жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos thanks for reply
@walkthroughvideos8916
@walkthroughvideos8916 Жыл бұрын
I was about to buy the Kawai but the sound difference with the yamaha is night in day. The kawai sounded so thin and cheap compared to the rich tone of the yamaha
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
They are both very solid instruments, but, needless to say, it comes down to a matter of musical preference. :)
@pianowhizz
@pianowhizz 9 ай бұрын
You can’t judge high quality piano samples via the low-quality 126kbps audio in all KZbin videos - you can only properly evaluate these pianos in person. And if you’re using Bluetooth earphones or headphones to listen to KZbin then you’re making the audio even lower quality!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
I certainly agree that it is always best to experience pianos in person whenever possible. And, of course, there will always be some quality loss when playing audio back through online platforms like KZbin. Our production team always does their best to maintain as much of the fidelity and nuance of a piano's sound as possible though.
@OneStepToday
@OneStepToday Жыл бұрын
I saw on a piano key size guide on sweetwater that the keys on keyboards are a lot smaller than the acoustic piano. Does that mean those keyboards like midi full size keyboards we have are smaller keys in size? Can you demonstrate that or show the exact length the key size should be? Those having no access to acoustic piano will be helped. Also the demo comparisons of the exact weight towards the upper side of the keys will be great. thanks.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Yes, that is correct. The key stick/pivot lengths are compact and reduced. This is common practice for many digital piano actions, especially in the entry level price point. We will do our best to show these aspects in greater detail in future videos. :)
@OneStepToday
@OneStepToday Жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos I am aware about the short stick but I was asking about the playable key size itself. I hope our keyboards don't have smaller keys than acoustic and digital pianos.
@maxolina
@maxolina Жыл бұрын
@@OneStepToday The key size is identical to a real acoustic piano. The stick is shorter but the key of these digital pianos is the same. There are lots of "keyboards" and synthesizers with smaller keys, but 88-key digital pianos such as the yamaha p225, kawai es120, roland fp-30x etc all have full size keys.
@Boyarin-Bulgarin
@Boyarin-Bulgarin 9 ай бұрын
Kawai 👌
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
The Kawai ES120 is an awesome instrument with a great tone! With that said, it all comes down to personal preference of course. :)
@greentea-u2k
@greentea-u2k Жыл бұрын
Will you review the P145? maybe even compare it to the old p45. I'd love to see Stu tackling it. Great quality as always, never fails to entertain me
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to do so, but we have quite a few videos planned that are in the queue at the moment. All the best! :)
@mattelvislindsay1326
@mattelvislindsay1326 9 ай бұрын
The p145 is actually more of a upgraded version of the p125. Even though the p225 is supposed to be that. The only thing is the p145 doesn't have as many sounds as the p125 but other than that it is definitely upgraded and sounds slightly better actually at least on the main piano sound​@@MerriamPianos
@octave4854
@octave4854 9 ай бұрын
Can you please make a video about modx8+
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! We will add it to the list and do our best to tackle that for you in the future. :)
@antonioperillo1182
@antonioperillo1182 10 ай бұрын
Even if Yamaha could have add more acoustic piano samples and electric pianos or other instruments, the distance for reaching Roland fp30x had been less than now. And with a keyboard with 3 sensors for each key than 2 of actual one Ghc. However it's better of Ghs, indeed!!!!!👍👍👍
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! These are all solid digital pianos, but they all offer something a bit different musically. At the end of the day, every player will have their own personal preference of course. :)
@aljosa212
@aljosa212 Жыл бұрын
Why you dont make a review of some Korg digital pianos, for example Korg D1 which is in this price point?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle Korg models, but we are not Korg dealers, so it is a bit tougher to tackle those models.
@JitinMisra
@JitinMisra Жыл бұрын
Do you think yamaha p125 is better interims of tone engine and key action or p225?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It really comes down to a matter of subjectivity. I haven't compared them side-by-side, but I would say that I prefer the feel of the P125 and the sound of the P225.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 Жыл бұрын
Listen to this P-125. It's amazing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6mQlaSPZ8-UisU Maybe it's not a P-125. She used to play one and it sounded very nice. The fillowng link may be the P-125: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnLVf4VmYpeNfNU Playing starts at 6:30
@mfurman
@mfurman Жыл бұрын
I think (after using P-225) that P-125A has a better action (not by far). The sound of P-225 has very low volume on headphones. P-225 has Digital Audio Interface though and it looks nice!
@gabrielgama2892
@gabrielgama2892 Ай бұрын
I came here for a sound comparison, but this guy's playing is just way more interesting xD
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Ай бұрын
Haha we're glad to hear that you enjoyed Stu's playing! I'll be sure to pass on the kind words to him for you. :)
@MonsieurTarzan-g3m
@MonsieurTarzan-g3m 4 күн бұрын
IMO the Yamaha sounds more like an acoustic piano. No idea which feels better to play action-wise. I have never owned or played either of these and I'm just relying on this video.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 күн бұрын
It all comes down to a matter of opinion of course. They're both very solid instruments that will resonate with different players depending on their musical tastes. :)
@Ajaykumarr89
@Ajaykumarr89 2 күн бұрын
Sound : yamaha Action : roland , althought many roland users hate its action.
@flamenco1231
@flamenco1231 8 ай бұрын
kawai just sounds better
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 8 ай бұрын
They are both solid instruments of course, but I tend to lean in favour of the ES120 for its wonderfully-authentic tone. :)
@flamenco1231
@flamenco1231 8 ай бұрын
i nave a yamaha 660 but i really love the Kawai sound@@MerriamPianos
@lazarmarkovic7045
@lazarmarkovic7045 7 ай бұрын
Yamaha line out: 7:12 Kawaii line out: 8:13
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! :)
@nikooplayer
@nikooplayer Жыл бұрын
I expected to hear more sophisticated and warmer sound from Kawai and I usually don't like Yamaha's sharp sounds, but this time I should say, Yamaha sounded much better. Kawai's sound was very shallow and toys like. I am not sure why.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It comes down to a matter of subjectivity of course. With that said, I would also recommend testing out the pianos in person as the onboard speaker sound is quite different than the sound you'll hear from a recorded direct lineout feed.
@Biozene
@Biozene Жыл бұрын
My experience was the same
@hamedsanborn150
@hamedsanborn150 9 ай бұрын
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@hamedsanborn150
@hamedsanborn150 9 ай бұрын
I hear from different comments ES120 is plauged with a nightmarish bug. Start up piano sound is horribly bright until YOU TURN OFF THE EUALIZER in the settings...Seems abysmal for both customers and a big name like Kawai known for warm, rich and dark piano sound. Kawai has really fked up this time. Btw, I do not own ES120.
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Жыл бұрын
The Yamaha sounds more opened in the lineout recording in my opinion. This is just threw the video, and me listening threw headphones🎹🎶
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
There are definitely some differences between the lineout and onboard speaker sound.
@mauriciopianista
@mauriciopianista 5 ай бұрын
Does p225 use the same sound engine of p525?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 5 ай бұрын
Hi there! They are not the same sound engines. The P525 is more advanced and offers additional concert grand patches as well as more sophisticated resonance/expression modelling. You can review these differences with the following spec chart: ca.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/p_series/p-525/specs.html#product-tabs
@milmolas4913
@milmolas4913 11 ай бұрын
Hey @MerriamPianos, is kawai es120 good for learning piano? If the action is too light that means it will disadvantage me when switching mg to a grand for example? Imagine playing on kawai es120 for 4 years and then switching to grand, will i still be as good on the grand or i will not be ?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
Hi there! The ES120 is certainly a wonderful choice to study on. It is a bit of a lighter action when compared to pianos like the FP30X, but it is still fully-weighted and more than suitable to study on. In fact, from a sonic standpoint, it has one of the most authentic piano sounds in its price category. :)
@antonioperillo1182
@antonioperillo1182 10 ай бұрын
Hallo Stud, for me this competition has as winner Yamaha p225
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 10 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! We appreciate it. :)
@antonioperillo1182
@antonioperillo1182 10 ай бұрын
@@MerriamPianos Thank you for your answers an I wish you an Happy and heathy New Year 2024!!!!! Hallo Stud and many compliments for your reviews, always so pro and interesting for us musicians....👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍
@bosmint
@bosmint Жыл бұрын
If your setup of Direct line on and Speaker is similar in both pianos, I could state that 4 speakers including the tweeters on P225 definitely fail their job. Ignoring the tone engine in 2 pianos, the bass sound is distorted on Yamaha. Tbh, P225 is perfectly downgraded product even in the key action. About portable piano key action, roland pha4 outperforms the others then comes the kawai. ES120 and FP30x personally I think they re better choices.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! For certain applications, different pianos will be better suited of course. Personally, in this price category, I favour the piano sound of the ES120 and the PHA4 action of the FP30X the best. With that said, every player will have their own preferences between these models. :)
@PatrykPariaszewski
@PatrykPariaszewski 11 ай бұрын
Looking for keyboard with many decent sounds. Many people don't care much about sounds other than grand piano but i do. I would like to have good harpsichords, organs, bass, choir, e.pianos and I could sacrifice some quality of grand piano for that. What keyboard should I choose under 800 euros? I've watched some reviews but they don't focus on second category sounds. At the moment I am considering between kawai es120 and Yamaha p225 (same price in my area). Maybe you have some other propositions for me? Any help appreciated :)
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! While these two models are excellent options if you're predominantly using piano sounds, models like the Casio PXS3100 or CDPS360 have tons of built-in sounds. They may be worth exploring (especially the PXS3100!). :)
@theelusivememe1772
@theelusivememe1772 11 ай бұрын
​@MerriamPianos does the app for the yamaha p255 not add more sounds?
@watcher9987
@watcher9987 6 ай бұрын
Can't vary split point in es120...real bummer split at middle C..
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 6 ай бұрын
Not all pianos offer adjusting the split point unfortunately.
@watcher9987
@watcher9987 6 ай бұрын
@@MerriamPianos actually most do
@m3rc743
@m3rc743 6 ай бұрын
You can adjust it only on the app
@walli33
@walli33 6 сағат бұрын
So the kawai es120 has a much more nuanced sound it is clear that the sound of the kawai is clearly better, the second crucial point will be the touch and there of course the verdict is final the touch of the kawai is clearly better than the Yamaha 225 itself if I have a preference for that of the roland a 88 ivory feel or even the RHIII example korg d1, the ideal would be to have a product with the RHIII offering both the sounds of the CFX and piano EX from kawai but let's not dream, that said the sound of the Yamaha 225 is good also the nice touch it will therefore be a story of the ear for some and of depth and touch for others,, o of course the grand feel touch would be the best but to my knowledge I have only seen this touch on the kawai mp11
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 5 сағат бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for sharing your thoughts/insights! You are correct that the MP11SE is the only current portable model to feature the Grand Feel action. In terms of the debate between the ES120 and P225, I personally agree with your sentiments. But, it is a matter of subjectivity of course. Every player has their own preferences when it comes to tone and touch. The most important thing is to find an instrument that satisfies your specific musical needs. :)
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Жыл бұрын
I already said this before if anyone has an ES110 and wants to upgrade to the ES120 it might be wize to swop the sustain pedals🎹🎶
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
For sure! That was definitely one perk of the ES110 package. With that said, you can still buy the F10H pedal separately as an upgrade for the ES120.
@hyperseah
@hyperseah Жыл бұрын
I guess the next logical comparison would be against a PX-S1100? 😁 It would be interesting to get an opinion on the short key length of both.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle that comparison. I believe it is already on the list of comparisons to tackle soon. ;)
@abath07
@abath07 11 ай бұрын
I think you skipped the Rhodes on the Yamaha.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
It is possible we didn't cover every single built-in sound. We do our best to show as many sounds as features as possible while still keeping the focusing on the core piano elements (i.e. action and tone).
@Zoco101
@Zoco101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the interesting review. Several points came up that I'd like to add to or qualify. Yes, these pianos are very closely matched. Here in Europe the ES120 is cheaper than the P-225, and accordingly offers better value for money IMO. As for saving weight, both instruments weigh virtually the same. But if weight matters... the most portable piano with a graded weighted action is still the P-121, both in terms of weight and width. It's inexpensive, and it's much easier to squeeze into a car, at the sacrifice of a few keys. And (unlike the P-125a) the P-121 still has audio over USB. With the arrival of the P-225, you might ask who would bother with the P-125a now. Well, here in Europe, there are some amazing deals on that model right now. Not enough is made of the variance in tone on the assorted piano patches. We hear again and again from reviewers and viewers how Kawai patches are thicker/richer/warmer. Certainly, the first patch on any Yamaha is clear and crisp, but the classical piano patch (typically the third one) is decidely thicker, and very attractive in a home setting IMO. The Kawai EX patch is deemed to be brighter, and closer to some Yamaha patches, but IMO it is outdated and harsh compared to any Yamaha patch. The editable aspect of the Kawai patches is a real winner at this pricepoint, and so is the MIDI and audio over bluetooth, though cables are normally a bit more reliable. In my experience, bluetooth devices typically lose the first note on playback. This could be critical if it's the first note/bleep of a count-in or of a backing track. I do not agree that Kawai portable digital pianos normally have heavier actions than the corresponding Yamaha models. That was true up until the ES8 and P-255, but roles have been reversed. The ES120, ES560 and ES920 all have lighter actions. In the case of the P-515, the difference is incredibly pronounced. Another role-reversal aspect is build. Kawai is making lighter, less sturdy portables than before, but some of us prefer that to lugging monsters around. Yamaha's short keystick solution on the P-225, however, does not impress me. It's a shame that neither model offers battery power.
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Жыл бұрын
At times I feel the S K EX sample on the ES120 lineouts sounds stranggeled compared to the CFX sample on the P225 lineouts🎹🎶
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your insights! We appreciate the commentary. It is all very subjective in the end of course. Both sets of instruments offer very different musical experiences to the player. It is up to the player to test the various models and determine which is most aligned with their touch and tone preferences. Some players prefer a warm tone; others prefer a bright tone. Some players prefer a light action; others prefer a heavy action. The good thing is that we have many models to choose from on the market! :)
@OneStepToday
@OneStepToday Жыл бұрын
Good closeup shots at 6:36 to show the keys, however, it will be even better if you start showing extreme closeups to clearly show the surface texture. You can do that for each model and use that specially recorded video in all comparisons. I have watched so many videos and I have been attracted to the ES series, and was wondering why the ES120 is more expensive than the counterparts, even though we expect Kawai to be a cheaper brand than the Yamaha and Roland. I notice that it gives more piano sounds, has a better action, and for the first time ever I have noticed a sound difference. The Kawai sounded a bit louder and sharper, compared to the mellow Yamaha in the default sample, however, there the multiple samples solves all problems of the sound preference. The Kawai definitely sounded better, that I thought maybe its output sound may have been louder, it must be rather for its on your face sound due to the mixing of the sample. The clear perception of sound diff is due to this placement of the keyboards where you played the same phrases one by one on each, it really helped differentiate the sound with precision, unlike previously where you played random long pieces. Cheers and congrats for always improving great videos for your team. Plz do consider giving us the extreme closeup of the key surface texture in detail, if that's possible.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for the suggestion! We can certainly do our best to get shots of the key texture. With that said, when it comes to key surface/texture, the most important detail is how it feels, which can only be experienced when playing the instrument in person. That is why we always recommend to demo these instruments for yourself whenever that is a possibility. :) Also, we generally capture the piano sound from direct line-outs. We don't do any post-production work on those recordings to ensure that they are as transparent of a representation as possible. To that point, the default output volume of different models does vary. Thanks for tuning in and sharing your insights!
@OneStepToday
@OneStepToday Жыл бұрын
Most of us in poor countries like India won't be able to find these instruments to try out, this is why this channel is the best source of research. I have another request. I play with a semi weighted keyboard, and I understand the upper end of the key being harder; and it's a big deal to me even as a beginner, so I would love if you could demonstrate how much is the weight requirement changes as we go to the upper side of the keys, like by using those tiny weight bars, that would be very informative to know exactly what's the difference in these models; how much harder are the shorter key stick action on the upper side. It would be very cool. Maybe you can make one video of showing this comparison for various models. Thank you. @@MerriamPianos
@sofiarovetto8967
@sofiarovetto8967 7 ай бұрын
Hello, Can you help me to choose a Keyboard, I am between Roland fp 30 and the yamaha p225
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 7 ай бұрын
Hi! Brent here! It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. They are both solid pianos! With that said, I favour the Roland FP30X due to the PHA4 action. I find the FP30X's action to be more authentic feeling in comparison to the P225.
@racheltanhx623
@racheltanhx623 11 ай бұрын
Can i have the names of the song played by the kawai es-120 at 8:30 ?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for tuning in! Unfortunately, I don't know the name of the piece that Stu is playing at that particular moment. Perhaps, one of our helpful community members here will know the answer. :)
@giusgius9299
@giusgius9299 2 ай бұрын
thanks to you. I was undecided and now I'm not anymore.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 2 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! We're glad you found our videos helpful. :)
@JaXuun
@JaXuun Жыл бұрын
Kawai sounds more convincing.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It really is a beautifully authentic tone! :)
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if the es120 would have latency issues when combined with Pianoteq?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
There are many factors that can affect latency, including CPU power and capability. Pending everything is of a high enough spec, there should be no (or minimal) latency when using the ES120 as a MIDI controller.
@MK-dg6qj
@MK-dg6qj Жыл бұрын
Great work! Can you compare them with the Yamaha CK88! That one doesn't seem to have resonance modelling and it's so light so does it have short keys too? How is the bluetooth midi on the Kawai? Is there a lag? Do any of these have Midi2.0?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! We appreciate that. We will do our best to tackle a comparison with the CK88, but we have several videos in the queue right now. The Bluetooth MIDI on the Kawai is quite good in my experiences. I have not experienced any significant latency with it. None of these pianos are compatible with MIDI 2.0 to my knowledge. That standard hasn't quite taken off yet in the digital piano world from what I can tell.
@parkthoven
@parkthoven Жыл бұрын
Kawai sounds more distinctive and clearer than Yamaha~ Also, it seems Kawai has better organ sound than Yamaha, Interesting~~! Yamaha started as a reed organ company and now Kawai digital organ sounds better than Yamaha~~
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It comes down to a matter of personal preference of course, but it is very tough to compete with the authenticity of Kawai's SK-EX samples. :)
@vicmartinez4532
@vicmartinez4532 Жыл бұрын
I think Tsu didn't feel that comfortable with the dinamism of both pianos
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
I'd have to ask Stu as to his thoughts on that, but, every new instrument takes a few moments to get used to its musical output of course.
@Biozene
@Biozene Жыл бұрын
He's been spoiled with the best pianos on the market! :p
@vicmartinez4532
@vicmartinez4532 Жыл бұрын
His playing is always awesome I believe these models don't have a very good Action
@ayrtoninchejanampa6874
@ayrtoninchejanampa6874 Жыл бұрын
Ese sonido CFX suena mas tosco a comparación del DGX 670 o un YDP144...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
There are certainly some tonal differences between the P225 and the other Yamaha models you mentioned.
@lion-on4ty
@lion-on4ty Жыл бұрын
waiting for yamaha p525 review
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
It is on the list of candidates for an upcoming review video!
@DanInTheTO
@DanInTheTO Жыл бұрын
Given how long it took for the P225 to appear in Canada once it was available in Europe and other countries, I wish I knew how long we'd have to wait. I've been eye'ing the Kawai ES920 but they just don't seem available and the Roland FP-90x seems REALLY nice but is a bit more than I want to spend. The ES120 does sound nice to me. I don't like the keyboard feel of the P225.
@mfurman
@mfurman Жыл бұрын
@@DanInTheTOIt will be announced in December (probably the beginning of). Michael
@marcelortfontenelle3081
@marcelortfontenelle3081 Жыл бұрын
Kawai seemed to be very synthetic. Yamaha, more natural.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! We appreciate it. Every player will have their preference between these two excellent digital pianos of course. :)
@Desuetus
@Desuetus Ай бұрын
The yamaha is way better, but you can tell it's digital mostly in the high notes.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Ай бұрын
They are both solid pianos. It ultimately comes down to preference. They both offer very different touches and tones.
@mikejones9480
@mikejones9480 7 ай бұрын
Yamaha sounded much cleaner and closer to a live accoustic.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! They're both very solid models and every player will have their own personal preference between the two of course. :)
@mfurman
@mfurman Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comparison Stu. As a matter of fact, I have just started to think again about getting ES120. It will replace P-225. I am probably going to call Merriam Music next week 😊 Thank you, Michael
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks for tuning in! The ES120 is quite the impressive instrument for the money. :)
@mfurman
@mfurman Жыл бұрын
I would like to add that I actually do not like the visual aspects of ES120. Those shiny, non-discrete buttons are definitely not my preference and weight against getting ES120.
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12
@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Жыл бұрын
@Merriam Music true, but considering the ES120 is more expensive than the ES110 was buying the sustain pedal seperately may or maynot be that worth it it's best to keep the F10H if you already had the ES110 that came with it🎹🎶
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
That is true! For customers making the move from an ES110 to an ES120, it is not a bad idea.
@RaihanLDN
@RaihanLDN 6 ай бұрын
Shorter keys is a killer and makes playing higher up the keys terrible as it requires far more effort. One of the worst things about Casio and I have no idea why Yamaha has seemingly dabbled into it now.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 6 ай бұрын
In the case of Casio, one of the goals is to make the enclosure as compact and portable as possible. With that said, the new PXS models are quite enjoyable to play in my opinion. It is definitely worth giving them a shot, but the touch won't be for everyone of course.
@samcomposer
@samcomposer Жыл бұрын
Clearly Kawai sounds more digital. Yamaha sounds more acoustic.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! We appreciate it. :)
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