Yamaha REFACE CP VS Fender RHODES

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[@cutthroatnin3833]

To the people who are complaining, not all of us can afford a few thousand for a Rhodes, so the Yamaha reface stuff is perfect for someone like me who wants a great Rhodes sound without breaking the damn bank or having to carry a laptop & midi keyboard around all the time. It's not meant to replace the Rhodes, just give a cheaper but excellent choice for people like me.

[@cutthroatnin3833]

Same with the entire Reface Line.

[@the25thhr41]

you could also get a nord u get a full sized key bed and a lot more customizability with the sounds. but the resale on rhodes on that bad u can pick one up from 800-2000$

[@cutthroatnin3833]

the 25th hr True, but the reface is only a couple hundred and even less used.

[@tylerarnott1515]

they are 400 new everywhere i have seen, if you know of a site selling them for 200 let me know!

[@cesardpd6099]

amen dude

[@adamandlorraine]

Secret piano sound. Turn off the CP. Place the instrument selector button midway between any two instruments. Turn on the CP. You now have an acoustic piano sound.

[@BurstupTV]

OMG. I thought this was a joke, but it really works. I always wished my CP had a Grand Piano sound. Awesome easter egg.

[@vforvillain77]

@Xavier Smith OMG. I thought this was a joke, but zxNBZvxnBVZHCVKG cekGcbzv czv,zbxv,cmvb,m!!!!!!!! (Awesome easter egg)

[@tylerthompson1842]

@@BurstupTV what’s a joke is that they put a toy piano in a slot but not an acoustic, cause everyone remembers all the classic songs that have a toy piano on it.

[@scottcupp8129]

I just bought another Yamaha EX5. I bought one new back in 1999 for a house gig that I was doing. Some drunk ripped it off and destroyed it in the alley. I know that's off topic as this is about the reface CP. And it does sound great. I'd use it with my Keystation Pro 88. Kinda cool how Yamaha hid that grand piano preset :)

[@JasonS-ui8id]

Tyler, I'm pretty sure none of the Yamaha Reface keyboards were intended to do acoustic instrument sounds. They're meant to recreate classic keyboard sounds from decades past, which themselves were often vaguely emulative of acoustic ones. Although I suppose you could argue that a toy piano is, in fact, an acoustic instrument. Most people, though, would say that it was created to _imitate_ a piano on a compact scale, much as the Reface series imitates (quite well!) larger classic instruments on a small portable scale.

[@davidholmes3776]

I would challenge any of you to tell the difference in sound within a mixed song... It's a really good emulation and certainly better than any of the VSTs I've come across... Definitely plan on making it a part of my studio setup - played via my larger midi keyboard - it'll be used in the same way as a rackmountable sound module.

[@ralphskitz5126]

the majority are tone deaf ...

[@Bryan_Kay]

David Holmes have you tried the Rhodes using massive engine within the maschine studio?

[@NolanDerosia]

I agree. I always do my guitar demos in a full mix, because the truth is, you can't really tell the differences when it comes down to an actual production.

[@nym053]

The 88 from Waves is the best I've heard in software.

[@aresoltero]

Keyscape

[@phoenixsoundandstage962]

WOW!! You just convinced me this is my next keyboard. I have always loved the classic Fender-Rhodes Mark I, II & III sound. Now I can afford it.

[@chadjohnson-authormusician8072]

To me, what this video does (and thanks for making it by the way!) is clearly demonstrates that the reface is well inside the league of classic Rhodes sounds. I bet you could compare two original Rhodes side by side and hear just about as much difference as you hear between these two. This is all forgiving the fact that the settings on either could still maybe be tweaked a bit to make them sound even closer. At this point, one is not "better" than the other; they're just different. In fact, I bet if you doctored this video and switched the audio---so that when you saw him playing the reface you heard the original and vice versa---you'd still have plenty of people saying, "Oh the original wins hands down."

[@TheFossie12]

got it in one

[@kayte88]

Yes, but for those of us who can't carry the real thing around anymore (or never could). . . those who have never been able to really play 10ths in the left hand . .for those who have long, thin fingers, this is an equalizer. We can take it on the plane and play it in flight!! We can practice MORE!!! In front of the TV!!! Take it to songwriting sessions & jam!!

[@tylerthompson1842]

They could’ve made so much more money with these had they put it in a 73 key hammer action board (same vintage look to it) and charged $600. I would’ve bought it for the Rhodes sound alone.

[@BubuMarimba]

buy a 73 MIDI keyboard for 150$ and CP reface for 400$ connect one to another and save 50$. Hammer action I'm not sure for this money.

[@marcpaters0n]

That little reface is a great option for a home studio. It's compact, cheap and sounds great.

[@educapro]

I’m gonna get one shortly....nahre inspired me. :)

[@Antonio229]

Reface CP with a 88 key controller and your good to go

[@robertjameson4101]

Antonio229 fuck yes you are

[@Elazarko]

Anything like the CP/DX with full size keys in a similar price range? Edit: 73/76 keys would be the best

[@konradhausmann6359]

@@Elazarko korg sv1 is probably the cheapest good sounding one with full size keys

[@fritz3802]

Is there latency this way? I stopped using midi VST’s because I couldn’t deal with the latency and all that computer clicking time. Could I plug a big controller into the cp and use the cp output into a quarter inch?

[@ashrafg4668]

@@fritz3802 yes kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2q9kGacqrOjgq8

[@despicabledog]

Nobody will recognize the difference in a mix. Go with the CP, unless you're rich or already have a Rhodes

[@sequentialscenery]

Which one should I take backpacking?

[@rush2795]

the real one cause it sounds so much better according to everyone in the comments

[@kunaikai]

The real one weighs in at 130lbs and you would still need an amp. So the reface is the only option for backpacking

[@rush2795]

Kai Selmser well with a few other people to help out it would be worth it to bring the real one for sure

[@kunaikai]

You couldn't while backpacking. When you backpack you need both hands free so you can properly balance while hiking. You would have to lug the Rhodes all the way to your camp site and then set it up and power it up and then lug it back where as the CP you just put it in your pack and bring some spare batteries

[@gregoryswift9573]

defiantly if your hiking and backpacking your gonna want to bring 70s Fender Rhodes. just get a dolly and a 24 pack of water. I mean really dude what kinda of question is that.

[@F0nkyNinja]

all rhodes are slightly different from the factory and after being setup etc, the reface is sampled after another rhodes so ofc they're going to sound different.

[@nicolascorbeil9263]

a digital recording of an analog sound vs a digital recording of a digital recording of an analog sound ? i can tell the difference obbbbviously

[@testohtoby]

They're not sampled, they're modelled

[@F0nkyNinja]

@@testohtoby No they're AWM2 samples. If you're referring to the "Spectral Component Modelling" part that's what Yamaha calls the FX which is modelled.

[@dynoroad]

@@F0nkyNinja Spectral component modeling refers to both playback using spectral wave data, which is not AWM2, and modeling refers to virtual circuitry modeling. They used spectral waveform data because their older chips had tiny wave rom. Spectral waveform data is tiny compared to full samples.

[@jonnda]

The real thing has more high bell overtones, almost like a toy piano or celesta, especially in the high register. This surprised me when I got my 1970 suitcase rhodes 73. I was so used to hearing fake rhodes.

[@archivestereo]

The Yamaha has less if that real analogue smoothness but it is amazingly close at times in this video. I would love being able to carry this sound with me.

[@BearKeys]

This is an excellent comparison video. In fact, I can't imagine this being any better done.

[@naakkve10]

if you think of it as a synth that is designed to sound rhodes-like, i think the new one is pretty dope by its own merit

[@adamf.4823]

You could barely hear a difference when he was playing both note by note but once he started doing riffs and stuff you could tell. You need the full context, atmosphere and tonal nuances and that's what comes into play when you're actually playing music. I've always thought that you don't necessarily hear the difference between these emulators and the originals - you feel it. All that being said, I still think it's pretty damn good for $250 and I'm definitely buying all 4 :)

[@Jaz_zo]

Of course you can hear the difference as you can see the difference in your bank account

[@maomao180]

I kinda like the reface Rhodes more than the actual Rhodes

[@LiberLotus]

I just bought one (waiting for it to arrive) but I gig on a pretty small bar stage. I've always known software was the best answer but I'm not going to prop a laptop or iPad up while I'm playing. Apart from being an excellent reproduction of the Rhodes (better than my Roland FP30) the knobs are physical which is so much easier when you're switching sounds on the fly between sets. If you want a real Rhodes buy Vintage Vibes tine remake for 5K USD. I can't afford that so here we are.

[@intelligenceservices]

well right away it seems that the Yamaha is somewhat smaller in size than the larger Rhodes.

[@no_talking]

😂

[@gerardkirkpatricksanchez2121]

For the sounds ofcourse the real one. But for the accessibility, yeah, the tiny amazing piano. 👍🏻

[@ulrap1202]

I have a Rhodes, but I'm always looking for the easy to carry versions. Not perfect, but, this is an outstanding emulation in my opinion. One of the best hardware versions I've heard. I also like the Nord Nefertiti Rhodes, but getting that is more money of course.

[@zebpike5745]

It's not about being able to tell in a mix, but the inspiration the player gets from playing the real thing when tracking.

[@mikedome9475]

Yeah that is true. But I can't afford the real thing. So for now I love the reface CP and YC. Maybe when I got the money to spend I can get the real thing.

[@gregoryswift9573]

always loved the Rhodes but after embracing Kid A I can't think of a better tone. its timeles

[@da1215]

They used a Crumar DP 50 on Kid A. It's pretty cheap and sounds amazing

[@MirnaPibernik]

The Rodes changes in character across the keyboard (higher octaves are more percussive, lower range is more mellow) which the Reface doesn't mimic.

[@00Ivanov]

That totally depends how you've got your Rhodes set up.

[@agedefiant-heteromundane-s6943]

it does or it wouldn't sound like a rhodes

[@wulftamer8135]

Guys - just my recommendation. Get an Arturia Keylab 88 essential MIDI keyboard. It's much better, because you have over 6000 sounds of practically anything you can imagine. It's only $350 dollars, and it feels quality. I know I sound like a salesman, but ever since I got it, I really believe it is the best option out there. Sure, you have to plug it into a computer, but if you just want to play, get an aux out to a 1/4 inch connecter and then into a guitar or bass amp. I guess this is assuming that you have a computer and an amp, though. Still, the audio coming out of the CP can't be great anyway. I just found that it's the best way - you get all of the sounds out of a full keyboard with any vintage sound you can imagine. It has a lot of knobs and bars also, so you can control parameters (such as the drawbars of an organ) easily.

[@BlackToof]

nah the CP is much better, those buildt in sounds are laughable

[@TheTilde]

Thank you. At 2:16 the attack sounds different, much smoother on the real thing. Anyway I think Yamahe did a good job.

[@catboyzee]

Fact: The REFACE clearly doesn't possess all the touch sensitivity, nuances, and subtleties of playing the real thing. Fact: The naysayers and nitpickers either have really strong backs, or can afford to hire people to lug their Fender Rhodes 88 to gigs and studio sessions for them. But personally speaking I wouldn't have a problem using the REFACE, it does what it does very well. I happy that technology has improved to the point that we can have access these wonderful sounds in smaller packages and venues. Kudos to you Yamaha. Gotta get me one of these, for the fun of it if nothing else.

[@don4476]

Good job. Exactly what I was looking for.

[@HansBaier]

The response on the CP is much more alive than the Rhodes

[@Superlover]

the rhodes in this video sounds much more percussive and the CP has a significant different character. maybe the CP needs to be adjusted slighty. cool instrument though

[@REM977]

The reface sounds much crisper to me. Excellent solution for those that want the closest thing to a Fender Rhodes--and at an affordable price.

[@electricharmonyac7354]

why not both?

[@lowbudgetproduction]

The piano in the video is not a Fender Rhodes, but the later Rhodes Mk1.

[@MrPedal88]

I'll take the Rhodes, even with it's bouncy action.

[@DanielBoonelight]

*its

[@NuSkoolTone]

The reface has more bark than the rhodes shown here. Not that it sounds bad, but certainly not equivalent.

[@andtothewestamerica]

The reface has a "drive" knob and you can roll off the bark if you want it smoother

[@louieluis8840]

overall best comparison and demo

[@noizreduxion2888]

The magic with the Rhodes also comes from melting it with different guitar amps, or mic pres/DI Boxes in case you take the signal from the suitcase preamp. A Rhodes played throuh a Carvin Belair guitar amp is an opened door to heaven. Sure you can get intersting melting results doing the same thing with the Reface CP, but the more organic and analog the source sound is the more you'll get nuances and character in the result. In that way a real Rhodes wins but that said this little keyboard sounds outstanding close to the instruments it emulates. This is bluffing. I guess as time will go, hearing differences between real instruments and their emulations in a mix will become almost impossible. The real advantage will remain on the feeling the player gets when playing and hearing his instruments live on stage or during a session, due to expended frequencies, keyboard feel ect...

[@Gottenhimfella]

That may have merit, but how many Rhodes pianos are in tip top performance condition at all times? In my experience, unless you're a genius at repairs and maintenance, many of them spend much of their time being essentially unplayable. Especially if they get carted around a lot.

[@stevezeno]

This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how diffixult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.

[@Cesar-ey7wu]

wow, the reface sound so much better !

[@cybrunel1016]

The two are not tweaked the same, even if you think they were in that same room, KZbin wouldn't reproduce it even in 1080p.

[@michael4762]

see what you are doin, but it is still the next best thing. and you dont need a couple of friends to help you transport the rhodes to your gig.x.

[@T-Hawkeyes]

Sold!

[@Cesarsound1]

The Rhodes has a lovely sound.

[@georgeapas6500]

Rhodes cool! Warmly and great sounds..

[@pantoum]

The upper harmonics of the tines being struck by the mallets did not seems to be represented by the Reface.

[@vforvillain77]

Which honestly is a plus. I hate that fuckin tinkly glassy sound that reminds me of the cheesy 80's. I like a warm rhodes like Ray Manzarek's sounded on Riders.

[@Hamudi2000]

not bad, no release "click" sounds on the reface thu. Off coure the real one wins hands down

[@Cesarsound1]

The sound of Rhodes is more refined and elegant.

[@phlapp]

Where have I heard those chords at 2:16 before? They're from a song and I just can't remember where I've heard them before!

[@derrickcorreia]

Maybe it's just me, but the Rhodes sounds bigger and larger to me. The Reface, although exceptionally close sounds small.

[@jobatimus]

This cannot be comparable.The rhodes piano has several tipes of tuning.So it sounds like it is tunned...

[@fouellet1701]

Very close!

[@CullenJames]

Wow that's really fucking close.

[@nj_resident6705]

@muzykujkropkacom -- at 1:40 can anyone comment on the reface's relatively loud, "click" sound occurring on the attack when playing the softer chords? Is this so noticeable due to a setting, or perhaps because I'm listening on a cell phone speaker? Certainly not an issue at louder attack levels.

[@Rhythmicons]

People who, for whatever reasons, rave about the sound don't take into consideration the feel of the instrument, the aesthetics, the smell of the real thing. A Nord will sound like a clav but it won't feel like one.

[@whatabouttheearth]

They are thinking out emotional output vs input?

[@ulfbro2999]

Amazing

[@jeffreyreid6981]

My only gripe is why they made the re-face so small

[@DavidRothMusic]

Wish the toy piano setting was occupied by an acoustic piano instead. Have hardly used this since buying it because of that.

[@FrozenLonesome]

Thanks

[@macboogieland2897]

amazing!

[@АндрейМорозов-ь1в]

Well, wether Herbie Hancock is going to play only REFACE CP instead classic Rhodes Piano?!

[@Nootakumusic]

I kind of like the reface CP buuuuut... not for Rhodes. The main thing is that the real Rhodes has way better low frequencies. If you play deep notes, you're gonna hear the difference and feel it as well while playing (esp with those tiny keys the Reface has)

[@NNsona]

Holy Bleep

[@jeffreyreid6981]

My only gripe is why the reface so small

[@jenomeyer4116]

sounds awesome I wonder could I midi the reface cp to my 76 keys

[@ALotOfBottle]

Any MIDI keyboard can be used as a controller for Reface keyboards.

[@bartmuz]

Kurka - nawet Yamaha CP wypada jakoś lepiej - cieplej

[@tubical71]

For me, the real rhodes outperform the CP in every way...mostly within the key-release as the CP does not have the release "smack" at all...no way to lead a funkTrack without that...but in a full featured song with guits and others paying it's ok. BUT it's by far more easier to move the CP around and carry it not ti mention the money to pay for the CP ;)

[@fedorgoremykin420]

Tell me please: what are you playing from here: 1:19

[@muzykujkropkacom]

Fedor Goremykin this ?:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3LYnGZoaaqAg7M

[@johnedgar4426]

Sound the same.

[@UniversalHomeboy]

My sister is still going to insist her Rhodes Mark II is going to sound better than this. Why? Because I am paying 380 on Reverb for a Yamaha and she paid 3,000 for her Rhodes hahahahahaha

[@patrickgallagher1161]

Why is there an INSTRUMENT cable coming out of his PRE-AMP cable box???

[@muzykujkropkacom]

This fender is ver. suitcase

[@patrickgallagher1161]

muzykujkropkacom I see. I thought the other cable looked like something else. thank you!

[@kesaonline]

Great demo thanks for sharing,great playing too, I have yamaha reface CP which I use for my live shows and to practise while on the road. Pop over to my channel (kesa online) and check it out in action. Thanks again buddy!

[@TheEdnarg]

Every modern workstation with 73-88 REAL keys has nice rodhes and wurlitzers, and thousands of more sounds. Why ANYONE in the world would pay 500$ for a 3 octaves minikeys "electric piano" ? (or a reface organ, or a reface DX7 - the original are usually cheaper second hand -, maybe the CS reface could be a little useful as VA expander...) Yamaha has lost the North with these Refaces

[@JudeJaded15]

+TheEdnarg a lot of musicians have those boards already, +'the real things' and just want to add a portability &simplicity option to their rig. Yamaha's 'mistake' was not marketing these boards as functional sound modules to the reactive crowd out there. If I had nothing, I'd still build up w/ the CP and YC.

[@TheEdnarg]

These toys are not for musicians. They´re for "producers" that don´t need to play standard keys :p

[@davidholmes3776]

+TheEdnarg as a producer - I kinda agree. Although I reckon I'll probably have it hooked into a larger controller. I can of course hear differences between the original and the reface emulation when back to back - but I honestly thing that within a mix the reface emulation is gonna sound really fantastic. The real benefit as I see it is having 6 already, very decent sounds that can be shaped quickly without having to reach for the mouse.

[@TheEdnarg]

That´s the question I wanted to bring out from the begining: I find the minikeys useless, they should have made them just expanders and a bit cheaper. kudos

[@davidholmes3776]

Yeah, a desktop version like the Waldorf Rocket/Streichfett with midi ports (or USB for newer controllers)to connect keyboard would be amazing.

[@SARTRETATSU]

いや～、これはそういう問題じゃないと思うなぁ。RHODESはRHODESだよ。ＣＰはライブでは使えないという感じがする。

[@deadmoldable]

i feel sry for peeps who can't hear the difference

[@tainosavage2169]

Reface CP or DX??

[@dudeseriously79]

CP hands down

[@dudeseriously79]

CS over the DX too

[@tainosavage2169]

@@dudeseriously79 Wish I'd known year ago.lol..Bought the DX and sold it within a month..Thanx tho!😁

[@dudeseriously79]

@@tainosavage2169 Np, yeah, I was about to buy the DX but decided to explore and instantly knew I wanted the CP. The YC was just ordered and I'll be getting the CS by the end of the year. I hope you got something you enjoy at least

[@tainosavage2169]

@@dudeseriously79 Not yet!..I have my eyes on the Roland Fantom 8 but way out my price range..Have the ASR-10 in mind also..Idk bro..Decisions!.lol

[@gurchtschalllly]

reface vs korg sv?

[@markhudson5825]

Both great keyboards. Sound a little different. The SV1 is a dream. I own both.

[@fuzzyd2121]

I own the SV1 and after using it a bit I am a little let down by the lack of quality dynamics and sound quality over all and have now been using it as a controller for software Rhodes emulations, but the Yamaha sounds far better at least over you tube...I might just have to pick one up.

[@aphexon.]

Not close at all but bouth sound good

[@minoanlight4545]

For people speaking about portability, I can take my iPad Pro, load it up with Rhodes emulators and sample libraries, such as Neo Soul Keys, and play the closest thing to Rhodes, which blows this Yamaha out of water, yet read the news, and check the Facebook when I want. Just how portable is that. So, to cut any crap, when I want to play the Rhodes, I will play the real Rhodes.

[@BigBadWolf..............]

Minoan Light I have irig keys, neo soul, and the reface is so much better it's not even comparable. Those iPad apps are nice but they don't sound near as good as a cp.

[@minoanlight4545]

Neo Soul Keys, one of the most praised electric piano sample libraries sounds bad? OK, I have nothing more to say then...

[@BigBadWolf..............]

Minoan Light I said it sounds nice and it does. The gospel musician who makes those apps and the software does a great job. The mk11 bass is really nice too. The problem is less the limitation of his ability and the limitations of non proprietary dac chips and dedicated processor chip. The analog portion of the cp circuit and its proprietary dsp chip mean that it's hardware it's only utilized for one thing, to get a certain sound. I have countless apps on my iPad and I am so thankful to live in an age with such exceptional innovation in technology. I don't know if you have tried a cp but honestly it is better that the Korg sv-1.

[@KiMA38]

本家には勝てぬ笑

[@geoffk777]

It sounds Ok, but the keyboard is a joke. If you really want the best possible Rhodes sound, get Keyscape. It's probably better than a real one.

[@theycallmejpj]

what, and have to buy a computer? I don't think so

[@geoffk777]

You can get a laptop, MIDI interface and MIDI controller for well under a thousand dollars. If you shop around, you might even get them for not much more than the Reface CP. Of course Keyscape is about $400, but you'll be able to run a DAW and numerous other instruments as well on the same laptop. Any keyboard player without a computer is living in the past at this point. All of the serious keyboard development is in VSTs.

[@theycallmejpj]

nah, there's a huge wealth of amazing stuff you can do without any of that garbage

[@geoffk777]

There's a huge amount of stuff that you can do with a harmonica, but that doesn't mean that I want to swap my keyboard studio for one. If you're happy living in the past, than it's your loss. But you could do more with modern software than you could possibly imagine. Remember, every modern keyboard is basically software-based anyway. The question (with any instrument for the past 30 or 40 years) isn't whether you want to run a software synth. It's whether to do it on a dedicated piece of hardware or to use a more powerful regular computer, with lots of programs that all work smoothly together.

[@theycallmejpj]

your analogy is poorly chosen and doesn't represent what we're talking about. does your software do what a harmonica does better than a harmonica does it? well obviously not. mind you, you seemed to think a software package is superior to a fender Rhodes.. and you may think that that's the question from your point of view, but many of us play instruments that have been around for far more than 40 years. if the entire extent of your music is playing in your own house, on a computer, with some MIDI controllers and a DAW/VSTs, then it might actually be you that's missing out.

[@IronPepito]

not even close to the real one...

[@YotamPiano]

The reface sounds good but it's a 3 octave synth action mini keys equipped?? for a piano purpose keyboard wth were they thinking? great idea , very poor execusion YAMAHA!!!

[@deauvillevrienden]

Focus was onb "portability" !!!!! use it as a sound module ad connect it to a good 76 or 88 keyboard via midi, plays like a dream.... and you can take your own Rhodes on camping near the bonfire !