Yamaha SideWinder Turbo vs. Ski-Doo G4 850

[@civilizeddelinquent563]

I had the chance to test ride the new Sidewinder this winter. Ive driven numerous 800's and Apex's. The sidewinder is an absolute monster. Torque is mind bending. At 70-80mph....when you hit full throttle...the damn thing jumps. Such a rocket.

[@9kalltheway]

Mike Hawk rocket yes. trail sled. no. it gets chewed up in trails by Doo 850s. seen it for my self. power all you want. won't get you there any faster in the real environment

[@civilizeddelinquent563]

justin james You've got er. I will stick with my Axys 800. Been enjoying every bit of it. Handles effortlessly, snappy as can be and sips the fuel. Our winter has been rather dull this year though. Havent put anymore then 400 miles.

[@9kalltheway]

Mike Hawk exactly. the 4stroke turbo jams no doubt. but I'll stick with nimble trail.

[@WilliamStewart1]

justin james It all comes down to what YOU want from a sled, nothing more. I chose the Sidewinder because it does what I want, others pick sleds for what they want. That's the beauty of life, we're all different, life would suck if we were all the same ha ha.

[@janabarber1691]

my 1049 hurricane turbo clutched with a power commander does the same thing she's got 7200 miles on her and she's 100 lbs lighter then a winder. I paid 5 grand not 18.000 for what I have. Plus not a single 800 or 850 can touch it.

[@chadharmsen4299]

I ride my Yamacat on the trail with no problem (300hp tune) I also own 800’s and 600’s to me it’s not much difference but I grew up on triples and the little extra weight doesn’t bother me. The excelleration is awesome. It feels light cracking the throttle at 75 and pulling the skis up no problem.

[@dthotmix705]

Sidewinder grunt is a lot of fun to ride. If you haven't tried it don't knock it.

[@Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations]

When is the new season starting? Im really digging the new 850 patriot!

[@emilyburke8583]

I ride a tnt 2015 its one of the finest machines overall I've ridden.Ive been riding since 1976, But I've rode Yamaha sleds for 30 yrs ,yes their heavy, but they will be around a lot longer than anything else on the trail.For example those enticers even a stroke still run like new, all other sleds are toilets from those years ,same thing down the road with these 4 strokes ,they will be running like new and tight 20 yrs from now. Ski doos Polaris Cats will be just a faded memory ,where Yamahas will keep crating new memories.

[@jacobcrow1042]

That’s cause their slow asf

[@bobbyd642]

That four stroke is going to last much longer though!! 30k on mine with no problems

[@fenrirgreyback100]

You can shoot them out but I'm an arctic cat guy and people can talk what's better but I'm still buying Arctic cat, same with the ski doo guys Polaris guys, and Yamaha guys, it's one of the few things that is all about brand loyalty, I enjoy the show lot, but you gentlemen are ski doo and Polaris guys it's what you start with. Thank you for the best snowmobile show, look forward to it all winter long!!

[@Rumblefan]

Robert Peters Not necessarily. I ride whatever, but Ill admit i usually try to buy Ski-Doos, but i dont mind switching it up to ride a Cat, Polaris, or Yamaha every now and then

[@michaelweber4008]

11000 miles on my 2011 z-1 turbo. Runs like the day I bought it.

[@joebiker5992]

I believe it. And that doo with that many miles would have been rebuilt at least once. Dollar for dollar, the yamahas are a much wiser investment

[@nsa6790]

joe biker Difference between a 2 and 4 stroke. Plus doo has come a long way in reliability

[@joebiker5992]

@@nsa6790 doo is claiming now that their 2 strokes will last as long as yamahas 4 strokes. I think it's pretty safe to call bs on that.

[@nsa6790]

joe biker I don’t know I would have to disagree. Remember that doo builds their 2 strokes the same way that 4 strokes are built. Once again it all comes down to the way the owner treats it. If you clean it 3 times a year give it good gas a don’t be hammering it every 2 seconds she’s going to last a long time. Had a 12 800 that was ridden by 4 people three of them being teenage boys so you know the beating they gave it. Sold it this last year with 16k miles with absolutely no problems other than the beeping indicator for reverse didn’t work sometimes.

[@joebiker5992]

@@nsa6790 right. They all have their good and bad. But many genesis 4 stroke engines properly maintained have reached 50-60000 miles and above

[@stephen9944]

The price difference is worth mentioning. $14,799.00 CAD for the Renegade 850 and $18,499 CAD for the Sidewinder (both prices as shown). Quite a bit of difference there for sleds that are being compared toe-to-toe. Also, fuel economy wasn't mentioned at all, understanding that they are trail sleds that seems like an important piece of information.

[@regfeener]

Wow.. You are right.. That is a huge factor..

[@JasonCluckey]

you are also getting a turbo with the sidewinder with FACTORY warranty...

[@stephen9944]

Let me know when Factory warranty has ever save you money.

[@stephen9944]

I pick up my '17 Renegade Sport this week :) I stick to carbs.

[@JasonCluckey]

Stephen H. all the time? lol idk where you do your business but my dealers don't fuck me

[@jeffw1477]

very informative but you should have lined them up and raced! pretty sure that's what everyone wants to see in a comparison of the two most powerful sleds made. Also the first thing two buddies would do! Will the manufacturers not give you sleds to test if they get beat? Just curious.

[@RK777PL]

I love the review but you forgot one major point reliability and the resale value Yamaha has that in spades

[@masonsorensen3744]

I have seen the sidewinder lined up against the 850, and there is no comparison, the Yamaha is a long way ahead and blows its doors off

[@RydinginStyle72]

The ski Doo bias was undeniable.

[@jclar3565]

See. Was that so hard, Snowtrax? Or are you pussies just gonna wait for guys like Sorensen to state the facts so you don't get anyone butt hurt.

[@crazythought4581]

Of course the big turbo wins. But I don't care bout the turbo and I'm not a ski doo fan buttt I do love riding a 2 stroke sled. Now what yamahaneeds to do is make their own 2 stroke and use that hpdi technology get it set up on a nice triple call it the srx and compete with the other manufacturers oh and sell it for 12-14k and watch the sales skyrocket.

[@DEVUNK88]

what is that oriental music in the background of this video, its awesome!

[@darrrenbetker4266]

Why would you not put them side by side and see which one is faster?

[@markp8795]

lighter has always been a major factor in rocky mtn.sleds

[@SIRsleeper]

The new sidwinders are fast! however i somewhat take offence to all this talk of previous turbo models being way too heavy. the new sidewinder is not much lighter then the old Zuk. With the right setup that zuk handles excellent on trails...... and after seeing what the tuned sidewinders can do I'll stick to my tuned zukes for now

[@lmtada]

If I wanted light, nimble, quick. I would dig out the old 81 Yamaha srx440. Tiny sled compared to these behemoth. Won a few poker rally's with that sled. Good for 105mph.

[@menotyou7762]

good for 1981, can't hold a candle to new sleds.

[@bluereaper6.472]

here is how it is. if you trail ride or ditch bang the 850 is for you lighter more power where you need it and a easy sled to toss into corners. if you plan to do high altitude riding then it gets more complicated. if you are new and have not had experience in the mountains I recommend the 850. this is because it's lighter and has easier handling characteristics. you will also be digging your sled out of holes you make quite often so the lighter the better. if you have good experience in the mountains the yamaha is the way to go it can make crazy hp at a any altitude and if you mod it then you will struggle to keep your ass on the seat when you punch the throttle. the yamaha can go up snow shoots that no other sled can and the heavy frount helps if you know what you are doing as it can keep you from constant wheelies from the power

[@Hans_P]

So.....4,000 klm on my Thundercat last winter...same belt....buddy with a Hurricane Performance 270 hp tune same klm ...original belt....and...we do NOT get passed by an 850 Doo! I'll grant you they are fast off the line tho but top end....its clear....200+ hp vs. 165 its a no brainer....

[@masonsorensen3744]

These guys don't test them for endurance, Yamaha at 10,000 miles will still be packing more power and work better period, I believe it is better of multiple reasons, and has a better horse power to weight ratio anyway

[@twsxc700]

Just like your magazine of late, you say a lot of words but actually don't tell us anything. You have both sleds, why not get a rider to run them trough a closed course trail and see which one he rides faster. it is clear which sled will get to the end of the lake first but what is not clear is which one is faster down a whooped out section straight trail. You form no opinion about engine and chassis durability. Why not? Maybe that is to come, but these two companies have long histories and who has shown to have a more durable chassis and engine? Give us the power to weight numbers, weigh the sleds full of fluids, give us the numbers. It doesn't seem that difficult.

[@crazythought4581]

Well you know as far a fit and finish go motor wise is yamaha hands down now chassis they both suck. Its cat vrs ski doo. If it was a all yamaha sled yamaha would have it all the way .$$ the yamaha will outlast them all so you get what you pay for.

[@pfleeger2010]

Because neither of them are Polaris sleds so they don't care.

[@jclar3565]

Last I knew people are still lining up on the lake for friendly speed races. So it DOES matter which sled makes it to the end quicker. Something tells me that on all but the most beat up and narrow curvy trails the Yamaha is faster and otherwise it's rider dependent. And I ride a Renegade X 850.

[@stellafokas12]

@@jclar3565 I hear ya! Drove a couple of days with brand new 850's, and in this case a Ski-Doo 900 GSX, could barely keep up to them, but the sliders where toast and the "leader" swapped snowmobiles with me and he said i didn't stand a chance LOL - had to use the straight aways to see their lights, would have been different I am sure on a sidewinder....

[@briantel9432]

Yamaha has more world records than any sled try 1812 miles in 24 hours on a apex and one ether is 19500 miles one year the next year 22300 miles on the same sled and the sled 3 years later maid it to 99557 miles it was a Yamaha vector 2007

[@brettgingery298]

I enjoy how folks pick the first year skidoo apart but neglect to think the yamahahaha has been monkeyed with for years. Expect the 2018 skidoo to be refined just like everything else the company does. Skidoo built a frame, clutch, and engine......I wonder if any other manufacturer could even change two things at once without major industry complaints and recalls.

[@super_street_racer5094]

Brett Gingery Yeah you are right all the other brands are helping each others because they know they cant create their own parts lame... ski doo for ever🇨🇦

[@benhollinger2638]

Its not like they can't. They can. The amount of technology that Yamaha put into their new motor meant they most likely didn't have the resources to put as much effort as they would like into chassis design. So they got Arctic Cat to do it.

[@markp8795]

canada knows snow

[@happyhappyjoyjoy6563]

rotax built the engine

[@jamessanderson1628]

why not just say which will get you down the lake fastest since you are comparing the 2 most powerful motors

[@kubotamaniac]

But the real question here is "if I don't have a lake, do I need a powerful sled"??

[@emilyburke8583]

10,00 mi on 2 strokes is hardly mentioned by the manufactures ok may 12k ,you'll be lucky to get that ,They always sell well before they fry

[@bieniek56]

Funny how they say heavy but never tell us a weight lmao. The 850 is 45 lbs lighter wet weight. Get off your high horse, 4 strokes are taking over.

[@RavingBob]

Alex Bieniek that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard lol. 4 strokes are taking over? Why then do 3 out of the 4 leading snowmobile manufacturers use 2 strokes in their performance sleds. Which also out perform the pos apex’s in the real world lmao

[@jclar3565]

Probably true. To an extent, I bought an 850 because it's just plain cool that someone continued developing two stroke technology in a post Al-Gore world, proving old guys like me right that many of the "problems" with 2 strokes could be solved if development was given the same r&d as 4 strokes.

[@PronouncedDead]

I'm just glad we have the freedom of choice and get to buy which ever sled you like, I love Ski Doo's, and I have always Loved Yamaha's, I almost bought the sidewinder, but got my 850 instead. The Yamaha is a lot more money. and im a die hard 2 stroke guy. I think all snowmobiles are cool, and like this guy said, the Yamaha is top end fast, which some people want, but the Ski Doo is a better trail sled, and yes , anyone can squeeze a throttle. Would I ever buy a sidewinder? yes.

[@DEVUNK88]

2017 is HUGE for snowmobiles

[@Connor-bq2xo]

DEVUNK88 YUGE*

[@marvinwegner6119]

You guy's (Snow Trax) are the reason I can't ride on the weekends in the inside of a corner without fearing for my life. Why promote that speed on the trail. The lake and fields are for this not twisty trails. I hope we meet some day, to discuss this further.

[@jclar3565]

Hahah. Good point! I live near a big lake and run at 60 to 70% till I hit the lake. THEN go wfo. And that's when I want my performance envelope to be maxxed. I probably should have bought the Yami instead.

[@deanobrien5934]

Cant get bettet then a 2 stroke. They sound great. And have lots of power for deep powder

[@Minimalist11Guy]

I do not know much about snowmobile regulations, but what puzzles me is why Ski Doo do not make a 998 three cylinder two-stroke, which would be light smooth and be on a level playing field with the Yamaha?

[@WilliamStewart1]

Alan Townend Because you'd add about 50lbs to the sled, then you have the fuel and oil consumption etc etc, diminishing returns in my opinion.

[@redneckadventures9122]

Waite so you’re saying the etec is better on fuel then the sidewinder ?

[@wasupfool5692]

Yes it definitely is better on fuel, and the 900 turbo is much better on fuel than the Winder. But definitely don't have the power of the Winder

[@marfy01]

You want power??? You're burning more fuel . Pretty simple concept there man

[@gillesanglehart5300]

this guy works for brp or what? its the fastest in the trees that is the most important yeah dude i see alot of those guys in the trees literally in quebec!

[@mawn10]

Both are very nice sleds. Both are ridiculously fast and expensive as well as hard to insure. I looked into insurance on a new yamaha viper and my insurance company didnt want to insure it. Im a 42 year old male with a clean driving record. How much are people paying for insurance on the new sidewinder? With that said I'd love to have either one. keep up the good work I really enjoy watching your videos.

[@SIRsleeper]

cant be that bad, ive had no issue with insurance on a turbo cat even from new. TD took it on without batting an eye. Had an opportunity to race with a claimed fast sidewinder this weekend (stock with just clutching)... he was faster then my tuned tubo zuk cat however up to 100 on kevlar lake we were pretty damn even. Gearing choice on my cat is likely at play here as i top out at 115

[@dthotmix705]

big guy $527 a year here in Maine

[@WilliamStewart1]

big guy I pay $558 (canadian) for my Sidewinder. It's not much if any more than the other guys I ride with and they all have new mountain sleds as well.

[@slick_rickmcquick387]

$22 a month in Wisconsin for 2019 Ski-Doo 850. $14 amonth for a 600 Ski-Doo.

[@robertpsotka3525]

afraid to just say which sled he likes the best, dont waste my time

[@ebsell]

The 850 will get the jump for the first 50 ft or so. After that it’s the Yamaha but not by a crazy amount. Top end gearing makes them pretty close on the top.

[@Dylanmccutcheon747]

I'm a ski doo guy but the Yamaha looks wicked and it would be a real thrill to ride although I think I would miss that two stroke sound

[@RydinginStyle72]

The Yamaha blows away the skidoo in every aspect, in my opinion. Longevity, quality, fuel mileage, ride, and on and on. A 2 stroke twin eats gas, vibrates, blows up more often, and has been old technology since about 2006.

[@billb8862]

Totally agree! Sidewinder is king of the castle!

[@RK777PL]

I love you videos you're very subjective I'm Yamaha Yamaha for life

[@JDRTRM]

At 10,000mi the Yamaha will still be solid reliable , quick/fast and heavy . Ski-Doo will be wore out (Done Broke) and loose . PERIOD !

[@JasonCluckey]

Trevor it's still a 2 stroke it will fail soon enough they are made to fail

[@JDRTRM]

Trevor it's ready and on its way to letting you down >>>>>>> : (

[@JDRTRM]

Trevor Burns Rings and Pistons ! BRP . There on there way out .

[@JasonCluckey]

Trevor the recall was on older sleds they had update on turbo bolts... did skidoo fix the 850 bulkhead and crank from snapping?

[@danieljohansson6916]

Sit on a Nytro and feel how sturdy and rock solid it feels! then go over to a Viper or a SideWinder and you'll realise how Yamaha quality sleds is a thing of the past. Trust me, Switching in my Nytro for a Viper was the Dumbest thing ive ever done. The season after that i switched to Ski-doo and last year i even bought a good ol Nytro as a second sled. Never again Yamaha as long as they use AC chassis!

[@ridingwithalex9655]

It always seems like you guys HATE ski Doo

[@hiby9105]

weight means nothing, if ur cryin about 50 pounds your to weak to handle a winder anyway tough in up a bit sallys!

[@fatnfurious9171]

Can't be the 2 most powerful sleds

[@martinhajda2132]

People seem to forget that if skidoo wanted to build a sled with more power then Yamaha they could. The fact is that most people now realize that the proper combination of power, weight and balance is what makes trail riding as well as mountain riding fun and exciting. The skidoo is so well set up that right now nothing can touch it in terms of balance. The Yamaha is a beast and would be great for the trail rider who wants a aggressive sled which is perfect for long miles and long trips. But make no mistake you are missing out in many situations. Skidoo learned from Mach Z days that there are limited sales with models like that. This is why Arctic cat and Yamaha share a sled and engine and struggle for sales. Arctic cat may not even be around soon. Polaris was wise to follow skidoo down the path they went and both have no issues with sales.

[@LITTLEROCKSHORES]

These guys are so pro SkiDoo, they might as well work for BRP's Marketing Dept (if they don't already). SnowTrax has never liked Yamaha and has always loved SkiDoo. That is easy to do when you ride brand new sleds every year and have an endless supply of sleds if one breaks down. If they had to rely on SkiDoo's quality and longevity for their only sled, year after year, they would change their mind.

[@Rumblefan]

LITTLEROCKSHORES No, theyre pro Polaris

[@jasonbishop206]

dont think so bud.... if they rode the same Ski-Doo year after year - then then their bias (if there actually is any) would be reinforced. I have passed many stopped Yamahas with the dealer installed turbos. the things seem very problematic to me , and of course I have passed all Yamaha turbos that have lined up with my 800 E tec that has an exhaust can as its only mod. I have 4 seasons of hard riding and 4500 K on it, only changed spark plugs and a few belts

[@quentin3330]

Funny u say that....most people think they are pro Polaris.

[@mackenziecampeau9257]

LITTLEROCKSHORES cause Yamaha is junk y would they lue abd say its better there tanks

[@jamfd3s788]

Mackenzie Campeau your comment made no sense 😂

[@tacopro218]

I wish I could have those 5 minutes back. Just about a worthless review and not including the weights of the machines was just stupid.

[@joeneault785]

yeah well we all know the 4 stroke is a tank and where it gets stuck it stays and your alone =long walk home say what you want the truth hurts some people

[@jclar3565]

He's not even willing to say the Yamaha is faster. As if that's really going out on a limb. Both sleds are apparently as fast as anyone needs to go, and who needs to get to the end of a lake quicker anyway? Umm. Guess that's why people pay 5.8 million for a new Bugatti, dumbass. Or maybe it's just that Snowtrax will never and can never say anything about any sled is better than a Skidoo. I own an 850etec btw. And I'm sure the Yami is waaayyyyy friggin faster on both lakes and open ITS trails.

[@kubotamaniac]

@@jclar3565 But If I meet someone one the trails going really fast, I'll try to find the mother fucker and beat the shit out of him... So what's the point trying to go REALLY fast??

[@sternt73]

@@kubotamaniac Internet bad ass here.. I will slow down after reading your comment.. Thanks for saving me an ass beating tough guy.

[@kubotamaniac]

@@sternt73 Yup! Internet makes me really really strong!!! Hahaha!

[@briantel9432]

art cat have more recalls than any sled

[@camaro69green31]

Really? Learn to spell before stating such nonsense

[@goldengungaming2318]

Ur sick in the mind

[@kertbert1]

If Yamaha came out with a sled that was lighter, more powerful, handled better, with fuel economy similar to Skidoo I'd be driving one next year. Brand loyalty? Only a fool would buy a machine based solely upon the name. I'll stick with Skidoos until something else better comes along.

[@halfnelson6777]

Basicly the only time you will feel the extra weight is going down a hill. All other situations you got more power for compensation. I could buy any of them, it's just a different approach how you would drive them.

[@KCinvesting]

4-stroke reliability? If you are buying either of these sleds you will have a 4-year warranty so ride them like rentals until they blow get it fixed then trade up. It makes no sense if buying new to go with a 4-stroke unless your running 5-day long trips and cannot carry oil with you.

[@marfy01]

😂

[@patcollins100]

Met both on the trail and pale in comparison to an apex turbo and the well tuned xrs but being a yammie guy I would buy and tune the sidewinder however my xrs buddy would get an 850 and tune both left a lot to play with imo

[@pushpushlambert8079]

Cmon boys ... He said it pulled and pulled and pulled .... And we love that howling screaming pull don't we ... It's like the gf riding pony ... Hang on 😎😎😎

[@bormanaj]

If Yamaha were to ever come out with a new 800 2 stroke in their own chassis, I would ditch my Skidoo for it in a heartbeat

[@jamescantlin1072]

THEY CAN BUILD A MOTOR THAT FOR SURE !!

[@hackanome9954]

oh look, a mountain max!

[@f7catsp]

we have had 5 of those 850's burn to the ground this season already. would be suprised if they aren't recalled.

[@markcarkner4617]

f7catsp doubt it bud. Been the best sled I've ever owned .

[@f7catsp]

im telling you, 5 burnt to the ground, one with 38 miles on it. i have pictures of 3 of them

[@Valkyrie0307]

If this were the case (and I'm not doubting you--I've seen pictures of 850's on fire), the resale of the 2015 800R Etec Renegade I have would be really good now. Truth is, it's been for sale with only 1,000 miles on it and NOBODY wants it. Crappy winters don't make for good sales, but there is still enough snow out there and I have it at a great price.

[@WilliamStewart1]

Stevie Z The 800 had problems as well though,I still can't wrap my head around why they chose to seal in the bottom end.

[@WilliamStewart1]

Stevie Z The 800 had problems as well though,I still can't wrap my head around why they chose to seal in the bottom end.

[@grumpyoldman336]

I would still take my Axys Rmk 800 over either of these, mines lighter, the engine spins up faster, i used to have a Yamaha Nytro but the weight of that turd got to be to much and digging it out was outrageous enough to make me want to quit sledding so i went back to a 2 stroke, Im not knocking the 850 etec but the sled is about 45 lbs heavier than mine ive tried my brother in laws out and i did notice a big difference in the weight.

[@219Tucker]

My Mom has a 850......nice sled for old women.

[@nocoolname32]

haha your mom weighs 850, that is one fat bitch!!! but she sure can cook.

[@quentin3330]

Who makes Cat's 2 stroke engines? Not Yamaha right? I know they make 4 strokes.......

[@romangavrilov930]

Quentin 33 it used to be suzuki i think think its yamaha now, not sure

[@quentin3330]

Roman Gavrilov thx! Ya i found out Cat make their own 2 Strokes and Yamaha make their 4 Strokes.

[@jamescantlin1072]

These day the tec is like a auto you go to the lot and bye what you want you spend your money its yours not the ones that bash the other I ride the Yamaha sidewinder xtx 141 because I like the arm pull is like no other and I busted it to 275 hp with TD powertrail cold air intake and turboforce muffler what a blast to ride all winter and never get board and if you don,t want to be passed just hit the tiger and your way up in the triple digits right now and not laying down on the bars to brake 110 mph you can sit up and see 126 mph and not brake a sweet to get there ,that's just what I like ! but I think you should spend your money the way you want and ride what you want ! well nuff said now its time for snow trax yes they are for sure pro skidoo when they compare a skidoo to a Polaris or cat or Yamaha skidoo always comes out on top and we all know from year to year one maker comes out with tec maybe you would like to have on your sled or is just a little better but snow trax wont admit it because there are in skidoo back pocket and this one here doing this review is a no it all he is right and you are wrong no mater what the topic his Brother not so bad there dad not so bad but this one is a guy that thinks his shit don't stink and he is better then anyone you know the guy who thinks he,s a ladies man or the woman that think ever man wants them , well you know it don,t matter what you ride just put you knees in the breeze go with friends and family have fun and make it home safe !

[@gabepost2855]

You got to remember you can always put a turbo on the skidoo

[@romangavrilov930]

Gabe Post and add a tune on the winder. The list can go on and on.

[@joebiker5992]

And last 1500 miles before dumping another 5 grand into the motor

[@XIPHIASCDXX]

Throw the 850 in a Tundra, machines with a-arms are like trying to off-road with a car.

[@lavalgagnon4639]

Couldnt agree more!

[@bbjnimens]

do what the video title says please.... line em up ! few times... who wins most... it IS what matters...

[@nsa6790]

Joe Nimens They are too different

[@hiby9105]

jeeze enuff with the etek , who gives a shit! anyone with a pulse knows the sidewinder is an all around better sled, why even ask wich is faster? its frekin obvious! and the weight thing means absolutely nuthin, if doo come out with a heavy but killer fast sled the weight argument woukd be all but forgotten! there is basically no debate until a manufacturer can make anything close to hang with a sidewinder that is as affordable as it and slap a warrenty on it, as of now nobody can except yamaha, case closed

[@kentchan2709]

you maybe shouldn't compare a turbo sled next to a complete stock sled.

[@Gorkondragonslayer]

: Choose-wiselee! : Yes, DONE, on the side of the best-reliability in the [in]dustry! : YAMAHA!!!

[@YAMAHAtester]

This video told me nothing I'm not a hater of any sled .. I do ride Yamaha because of reliability. Iv own three with a total of 97000 kms 06 apex 07 apex 15 viper Mc express we all choose our own path so why hate just ride and HV fun PS for all the guys I raced for pinks I got crap money for your sled he he.

[@johnnnny]

The head bob and weave makes me dizzy, sit still for a few seconds bro...

[@imdamann3844]

Lol we already know which one is the fastest , so I don't care if you want to tell us or not :-)

[@RICHIE_RICH89]

The yahmaha is way way faster

[@lawrencemacdonald9454]

Like comparing a sport car and a school bus.

[@ChuckBeefOG]

4 strokes are trail sleds. No one with a brain or skill rides a Yamaha mtn sled. Fat tanks that can only go straight. We made one guy in our group sell his yamaha or said we wouldnt ride with him anymore. He bought a Pro RMK and now actually enjoys riding instead of getting unstuck all day.

[@kayteeemm45]

lol

[@9kalltheway]

I'm in your friends same exact boat bro. Owned the latest viper. I loved it. My doo friends insisted on me taking their 850s for a spin. And by spring I spring ordered and sold my viper. Just a more fun platform

[@jclar3565]

Hahahahah!

[@jamescantlin1072]

THATS ALL WE DO IS TRAIL RIDE SO IF YOU WANTED TO RIDE WITH US HOW ABOUT WE TELL YOU YOU CANT GO WITH US EVERYONE RIDES WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THERE OWN MONEY ON AND LAST WINTER ON H58 SNOW WAS DEEP AND EVERYONE WAS GETING STUCK ME AND MY SON NEVER GOT STUCK AT ALL AND HADE TO BRAKE TRAIL FOR EVERYONE TO GET TO GRAND,MIRES MI AND WE DID IT ON ARE YAMAHA XTX 141 SIDEWINDERS WE WOULD EVEN STOP IN 5' OF SNOW FROM TIME TO TIME AND NEVER ONCE DID WE HAVE A PROBLUM GETING BACK UP ON TOP AND GOING ,SO IF YOUR TO TELL SOMEONE WHAT THEY SHOULD RIDE MAYBE YOU SHOULD USE YOUR MONEY TO BYE THERE SLED FOR THEM ! YOU THINK , NO I CAN TELL YOU DON,T !!!

[@michaelmatt3546]

Ever watch a sledding movie? Every sled is a Yamaha lol unless they are doing stunts. All the top hillclimbers run yammys, and have since early 2000s

[@patriot1294]

Ski doo= Junk. Looks like a transformer. Yamaha =Win win Ya get what ya pay for.

[@hotsauce3700]

That is funny. Out west Ski Doo and Arctic Cat outnumber Yamaha 10 to 1. Yamaha’s are for flatlanders.

[@lawrencemacdonald9454]

Comparing a school bus to a sports car.

[@marcopolozx11]

The dealership that I work for, already has heard of 3 G4 850's failing with 7 to 10 miles on them. Nothing bad about the Sidewinder, other than the Arctic Cat chassis sucks.

[@briantel9432]

a RX1 STOCK top speed 127 mph on speedo

[@mikeskidmore6754]

He's just trying to get people excited to buy a sled. These guys should enter the sleds in some Cross Country races and see how they really do... Yamaha is heavier .. but will last 3 times more miles.. Yamaha also loses no power at high Altitudes.. Riding at 500' and at 10.000 feet is a totally different ball game,

[@jclar3565]

Really? You don't think that Yamaha turbo triple is faster than my 850etec? Why even watch this crap. Lawyers?? Or just Canadian?

[@BansheeZR1]

Let's face it, Yamaha is wiped out. This is an Arctic Cat sled with a Yamaha engine. It is basically a supplier of engines to Arctic Cat. Period. They are no longer developing their own sleds. Re-branding Arctic Cats was the alternated decision to abandoning the snowmobile market. Their decision to eliminate the 2 stroke instead of developing it further was a catastrophic strategic mistake. I was a fan before they made that mistake. Now they are left with a measly 2-3% market share. How long will they even bother to continue supplying a handful of dealers and how long will dealers stick with such a low volume name.

[@jamescantlin1072]

YAMAHA is and has ben the number one motor maker for fifty years hands down if they wanted to make a two stroke they could make it better and last longer then skidoo or Polaris that's a fact and the truth and 80% out of a hundred people would agree and as fair as cat and Yamaha working together cat has a race proven chassis and Yamaha can build a 4 stroke engine better then anyone in the world this partnership is and has ben good for the sport what a good business decision for both anyone in business to make money and you do what it takes to turn a profit its all about money !!! And I will tell you from riding one last winter its fair the fastest and best riding sled I have ever ridden and I have lodge a lot of miles on them all regardless have a safe winter I hope you enjoy your ride time and keep the snow dance going !

[@bormanaj]

james cantlin I agree, Yamaha has the most reliable snowmobile engines hands down. The only reason I bought a Skidoo to replace my 2004 Viper Mountain was because I don’t like riding 4 strokes.

[@bormanaj]

Nathan Thompson u ever heard of trading sleds with buddies

[@bormanaj]

Nathan Thompson true, but I tried them and didn’t like them as much as the other 2 strokes.

[@halfnelson6777]

You don't get it? As a customer you want a better product every year. All brands are good for the competition. What difference does it make if it's labeled Ski doo or Yamaha as long as the sled fits my needs? I love both brands, and I've owned both Ski doo's and Yamaha's. Your comment is on the same level as saying that Ski doo is not a real sled just because Rotax makes their engine and bla bla.

[@marfy01]

Ill take my 300+hp sidewinder over any doo any day . Im sorry, youre not touching yamahas reliability, historically or currently. Ive owned enough sleds to confidently say that no other brand comes remotely close. Yamaha's are the Hondas of snowmobiling

[@markp8795]

weight weight wait f-it ski-doo is lighter cat isan anchor imported cat is major anchor w shit attached

[@stellafokas12]

Sean Connery!!

[@toddgrant6103]

As always they compare but don't actually say anything! khi doo probably has the most unreliable engines in the business with 12k for 800 and 16k for 600 before they hand grenade! funny they never mention that fact! I don't own a Side Winder but I can tell U that when the 850 hits 40 mph all it will see is tail light from the Yamaha! Supertrax is becoming way too politically correct especially with the company they share their bed with! Give me my 5 minutes back so I can use the time on something useful!

[@derickdegnan1703]

skidoo has and will continue to change the snowmobiling industry for years to come best sled on the planet

[@jamescantlin1072]

ALL BRANDS HAVE CHANGED IT ! NOT JUST ONE .

[@RICHIE_RICH89]

Ah 220 buddy

[@darrentoth7165]

Might want to add to the comparison "motor reliability" 4 stroke to 2 stroke, no comparison. Even with Yamaha with a turbo, the Skidoo is no match, it's motor will probably not make it to 10,000 miles.....prob much less

[@nsa6790]

Darren Toth All depends on how you take care of it. Had two 800’s one was really taken care of and used to it’s best ability on the trails and the other wasn’t cleaned as well and used in the same way. The one that was taken care of made it to 16k no problems before it was sold and the other had to be rebuilt at 8k

[@wyattbaird5020]

Yamaha all the way

[@Gorkondragonslayer]

~1: POWER: YAMAHA.~2: RELIABILITY: YAMAHA. ~3: DURABILITY: YAMAHA.~4: COST OF THE OPERATION: LONG-TERM: YAMAHA. ~5: LOOKS=: SUBJECTIVE. :MY-CHOICE: YAMAHA. : HATE-YELLOW!~6: : LOGICAL-CHOICE: YAMAHA.~7: SKI-DON'T HAVE-ALWAYS-BEEN A POS!

[@BansheeZR1]

Yamaha marketing has done quite the job on you. You can recite all their talking points almost mindlessly... If you're going to preach, try not to shout or figure out how to disable large caps.

[@Gorkondragonslayer]

Haven't seen YAMAHA'S marketing. Just 40 + years of first hand knowledge and 4000k plus per year experience. SKI-DON'T is a POS. Always has been, betting always will be. Etec is disposable, ask your mechanic. They don't even rebuild them, just replace with another POS rowtax. They're light, just don't hit anything and I mean ANYTHING! Local dealer has a guy full time just changing out chassis. Yeah. I want one of them vibrating, disposable mechanics companions. NOT!

[@Velislide]

I think we found Yamaha's 1# fan girl.

[@skiman3911]

If this guys try a 850 one time ill change his mind ...

[@brandon65678]

I know someone who has both hahaha

[@ericmacnichol3791]

I'd rather have the Yamaha, I hate ski doo. nothing but junk.

[@redmachine4542]

stop moving your head like that i have a headache

[@backwoodsmodified]

Advirtisment.

[@tomascharles5080]

This guy moves his head around too much. Lol

[@dallasstamberger7041]

asalwaystheyrpayedtosay

[@tishachiliy]

Who in the world goes shopping for a snowmobile and has these 2 sleds as a choice. Like a guy standing at the dealer looking at the beautiful light and nimble a pinnacle of snowmobiles the new 850 pretty much flawless masterpiece.... And is saying to himself "hmmmmm this is nice but im gonna go check out the 800 pound cow over at the yamaha dealer" which is literally only good for lake runs.... Thats like being in the market to buy an awesome sports car say the new z06 or m5 and telling yourself hmmm im just gonna go check out the new f 350 ford first before i make up my mind for sure. Where's the common sense in this video???

[@imdamann3844]

tishachiliy your entitled to your opinion but a that end of the day that's all it is your opinion . Sounds more like a guy with penis envy than truth !

[@romangavrilov930]

Except the f350 is faster lol

[@bobhirdes7854]

I would much rather be riding the lighter and more agile and better handling sled any day of the week. Yamaha has to put a hair dryer on their sled to make it go fast and borrow Arctic Cat's chassis. Anyone who doesn't think the worlds #1 snowmobile manufacture aka Ski-Doo doesn't have excellent quality, durability and fit and finish is simply a Ski-Doo hater and cannot handle the truth that Ski-Doo is as good as or better than other manufactures including Yamaha. I will gladly give up top speed to the better handling and riding sled any day of the week. GO SKI-DOO! Hay Yamaha fans, without a turbo making 200 plus horsepower you would just be dating a FAT girl. Good day!

[@Valkyrie0307]

But what if you LIKE fat girls?

[@WilliamStewart1]

Bob Hirdes You've never ridden one, don't speak on things you know nothing about.

[@Valkyrie0307]

William Stewart I actually have ridden one. in fact I own a 2016 ZR7000 limited so I'm familiar with the extra weight. I like it....

[@WilliamStewart1]

I'm talking to Bob.

[@Valkyrie0307]

William Stewart ah! Sorry. But, you are right William!

[@naldoruby]

Stop the stupid music!

[@danhenderson783]

It takes a turbo and 150 more cc for the Yamaha to beat the Two Stroke. LOL

[@imdamann3844]

Dan Henderson.. you meant annihilate I'm sure , and yes I like that ! If Its slow and yellow It usually means prostate problems get yourself checked for that :-)

[@romangavrilov930]

That literally means nothing. 4 strokes are advancing and almost everywhere 4 strokes are used. Cars, jetskis, atv's boats, generators etc. Technology moves forward. Back in the day most jetskis were 2 stroke, now even though they are heavier and 4 stroke you dont see anyone putting a 1000cc 2 stroke to counter the 1.5 or 1.8 l 4 strokes. Top fuel dragsters are also for some reason 4 stroke. 4 stroke advantages far outweigh disadvantages vs 2 strokes, and the gap gets bigger and bigger. Only in the very weight conserving areas such as snowmobiles and dirt bikes are 2t still used, and more and more are converting to 4 strokes.

[@halfnelson6777]

Try high altitude, deep powder. The two stroke would need a turbo as well

[@jamescantlin1072]

MY APEX HAD SAME HP AS THE SHEEDOO AND NO TURBO AND I WOULD WIPE ON MY BUDDYS 800 SHEEE EVERYTIME AND NOW SHEE DOSUE TRIED TO MAKE A 4 STROK TURBO AND COULD ONLY GET 160HP OUT OF IT ! MISTER NO IT ALL !

[@ROTAXD]

Keep the yami-cats where they belong...on the lake (hopefully at the bottom of the lake). Hell, I'd take the old ski-doo F3 I had...underpar suspension, carburators & big weight) over any yamacat. Hell...I'd ride a leafsprung t'nt before I'd buy a four stroke sled.

[@leepecinovsky3581]

ROTAXD well as your fixing ANY sled with a carb , I will be putting on miles

[@ROTAXD]

Lee Pecinovsky I've never had a fueling issue on any of the carburated sleds I owned/own. As a matter of fact...if a carburated sled does go down on the trail (due to a fueling issue)..there's a much higher chance of fixing it trailside wheras an efi sled will likely have to be towed out.

[@timresmer6954]

Same old snowtrax horseshit.

[@stigolulea]

As usual the Yamaha sucks in snow, and the fule comsumption. Is more than twice the ski-doo

[@gautehaugen6408]

that is the Yamaha so are best. not the stupid ski doo.

[@nsa6790]

Gaute EH fan girl

[@Etrician55]

Yamaha is way too heavy to have any fun on and the most costly which is why id never ever buy one

[@kristopherweatherall3151]

Bullshit I can sidehill my sidewinder no problem. I’m only 140lbs. It’s all technique