Yamaha Super Tenere Vs. Triumph Tiger Explorer GT | Compare and Contrast

[@martinarthur8928]

its simple ..... Super tenere is the Land cruiser of bikes...... all it provides is a reliable proven platform that can be customized to fit your needs.... period

[@Chance-ry1hq]

Reliability is number 1 in my mind. Cost of maintenance is number 2. The Tenere is great with both. The jury is out on the Triumph, but based on past history of Triumph, I wouldn’t count on either. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[@highwayman1218]

I have a few bikes including a 1st gen S10. The S10 is really my foul weather commuter / interstate tourer. Though I'd love a new ADV... Everytime I take the S10 out, I find it hard to throw out another 20k for something new. Though, a big plus for me is the Yamaha reliability and huge network while interstate touring. No one else can touch the two IMHO.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

The Tenere is a solid bike, a pack mule I call it. Not flashy or exciting, but it gets the job done and doesn't complain.

[@highwayman1218]

@@LivingOffTheSlab 👍👍 Yep, have a few MCs from everything between built HDs, to a Busa all the way down to a putter Van Van 200.... Dig em all for different reasons, but if I did have a garage fire? I'd be at the Yamaha dealer the 1st day the ins check came in for another. It really is a sweetheart of a jack of all trades!

[@ratbrain7743]

In 75k miles my Tenere has left me stranded twice. If I wouldn’t have been carrying a jumper pack it would have left me dead a few more times. I still have it for a Tiger backup. It takes months to get parts for these new tigers 🐯

[@highwayman1218]

@@ratbrain7743 I don't think I'd consider that the Tenere issues, but battery. Weird, though.... Ive found my S10 starts acting weird when the battery is getting weak. It starts having excessive crank times and needs throttle to crank up (like flooded). Pretty common on them, they get finicky about not having that strong 12v crank. Two batteries isnt bad in 75k, though.

[@stephenlissner3560]

No surprise that 9 years has generated some differences between the two bikes. I have been a BMW guy for years but bought a gen 2 Super Tenere January of 2021 and love it. Hope an update hits the showrooms soon to address some issues but i prefer simplicity and reliability over bells and whistles. Otherwise I'd own a water cooled GS. The S10 is still the best value in big adv bikes IMHO.

[@rso1411]

Stephen: What issues would you like to see addressed on the Super Tenere?

[@Junkers7]

​@@rso1411 Aktywny zawias i wiekszy skos zawiasu. Mniejsza masa. Wygodne siedzenie z wieksza regulacja. 3 cyl silnik. Lampa czolowa full led. Szyba regulowana w czasie jazdy. Keyless.

[@bobj2221]

I just went through the process of deciding on which big bore adventure bike to go with. BMW is the best bike by all accounts but as you mentioned…..service costs are outrageous. The KTM and Africa Twin with their 21” front wheels were a little too “off road oriented” for my use. The Vstrom price is excellent but chain drive and lacks amenities like cruise, heated grips, electronic suspension. The Triumph also scared me on maintenance and I have a buddy whose Tiger grenaded the motor at 15k for no reason and I’ve heard or other engine failures. So it was a Super Tenere ES for me, it seemed to be the sweet spot on cost/reliability/amenities. I’m happy with the purchase.

[@bseidem5112]

Go with a full arrow exhaust and ecm reflash. Heard of big hp/torque gains.

[@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985]

S10 is a fantastic all-rounder. Eats miles all day and can handle some dirt if you practice enough. Love my ES; soft for highway, med for twisties and hard for off road, all with the flick of a switch

[@bobj2221]

@@bseidem5112 I’ve heard this but coming from ZX14R’s and Hayabusas I’m not sure I’ll see the value in spending the $1500 and really…..there’s no way to make a parallel twin sound good 😂. One of things I’ve found I like about the S10 is it’s a barrel of monkeys at 75-85mph on a twisty road just toolin along where my previous bikes you had to be going A LOT faster to enjoy them fully.

[@dandanutz777]

maybe a honda 1200 crosstourer would fit here too? many friends tell me that it is an underappreciated motorcycle...

[@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985]

@@bobj2221 Coming from a Hayabusa myself, I can confirm that the Super Ténéré is indeed quite fun in the twisties. Ripping around all day at 60 will bring a smile to your face. Like Clarkston famously said “it’s better to drive a slow car fast that a fast car slow”.

[@SeanMurphy00]

Nice review. I’ve ridden both and prefer the triumph for its overall ride quality, snappier torque/power, low speed maneuverability and the screen. With that said the super tenere is a nice, capable motorcycle and I think is great first bike for someone just getting into motorcycling/ adventure riding as you can pick up a new or used one at a pretty reasonable price, they’re pretty low maintenance and run forever. I’ve met people with over a 100k miles on their bikes.

[@simoncalleia8892]

I have a Tiger Rally Explorer and whilst I agree with your review, it’s a great bike both and off road, I’ve had terrible reliability since the day I bought it home. I’ve had the bike back to the dealer five times for warranty items, everything from failing ABS, traction Control, suspension dampening system failing, engine light, hill hold failing, clutch slipping, starter motor disabled errors (I’ve had to wait up to 30 mins of repeated trying before the starter will crank) and worst of all I get random total engine cut outs that are frankly dangerous. On one occasion a logging truck almost ran up the back of me. Every time Triumph says it’s fixed it comes back. They have replaced wiring, the starter solenoid, performed software patches and replaced two computers but refuse to replace the bike which is obviously just a lemon. I concede that I’ve probably just been unlucky, I know of lots with no issues at all, but the real issue here is Triumphs refusal to accept that enough is enough and just stand by their brand and replace the bike. Anyway make of all that what you may. Cheers.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Sorry to hear you are having all these issues. It does sound like you got a lemon.

[@adamgodfrey38]

Might depend on the dealership. I got mine in San Francisco and they replaced my bike with 12 miles on it due to an electrical failure. Also gave me several thousand dollars in gear for the trouble.

[@franciscor8160]

Yamaha super Tenere 1200 the BEST 😍 fiability, economy...etc 👌🤙👏💪😍🔥❤️ Triumph problems, BMW problems, KTM problems, Ducati problems 🤷

[@ratbrain7743]

Another nice video. I have a tenere and a GTX1200. My tenere doesn’t get ridden much anymore. It’s a backup bike. My dealership takes months to fix anything. Took them 5 months to get clutch parts. Slap an airhawk on it every couple of hours for a change is what I do.

[@Airtouch67]

Yamaha is by far a much more "reliable" brand, that's not even a question. I own a Tiger 1200 and have had quite a few issue, I've never had any problems with my Yamaha's. Yamaha is always listed as the #1 most reliable bike in the industry.

[@nealjennison8855]

Thanks for you review. I currently have a 2015 Triumph Tiger 800XR, which I have enjoyed riding. This bike has been very reliable but I'm looking to upgrade. I've been researching the Yamaha and the Triumph. My problem with the Triumph is that the local dealer closed shop a couple years ago and now the closet dealer is ~40 miles away, which is a pain. I have a Yamaha dealer within 1 miles of me. I'm torn about moving away from Triumph as I've come to love their product. You've answered several of my questions.

[@digitalmike330]

Yamaha it is. When you have to have your Tiger towed 40 miles for the eventual breakdown, your buyers remorse will be real.

[@hrmacdonald4471]

I really enjoyed this video...I agree that the Super Tenere is under rated. It's great value for the dollar. Your 2015 was a real beauty!!

[@MrZakclyde]

I appreciate all these videos. I visited 48 states on my Super Tenere and it was a great bike. But I always wanted a bit more power out of it and a larger fuel tank like the GS Adventure has. I just bought a 23 Tiger 1200 GT Explorer and I hope its everything the Super Tenere was and more. The Yamaha was always perfectly relaible and thats been my only concern moving to the Triumph.

[@sherrilltechnology]

Hello I love your channel and I bought a 2018 Triumph Tiger 1200 XCA and I love it. I bought mine used so I picked it up for around $10,000 with all the accessories. It has hard bags made by Givi, heated seats, and hand grips and an adjustable windshield. I was going to buy the Tenere but I am now glad that I did not, keep making great videos!

[@paulnicholson3221]

You my good sir have made up my mind as I have always loved the triumph . Happy touring buddy .

[@Chef-Chad]

I found a 2023 Super Tenere ES about 200 miles from me and got it for $16,000 something. It is great.

[@got_to_roll]

Thanks for taking the time to make this nice video. Painful, but fair comparison. I ride a red 2015 Super Tenere ES (twin to yours) about 1,000 miles a month exploring the Pacific Northwest and love my bike. I think I would buy another. Custom seat, bar risers, tall screen and an ecu reflash and I'm very happy with the performance. Probably about 130hp and still average 45-48mpg. It really is a great bike! Yes, your videos influenced my purchase a couple years ago. Interested to see your long term cost and reliability with the Triumph. I'm sticking with my Red Rhino for now~ *52,000 miles on it, I paid $8,649 23 months ago with 27,000 miles on it. Hard to beat the value! *another year has passed, now at 67,800 miles (or so).

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

The Tenere is a great bike and if it is working for you, no need to change!

[@mandomarc1]

Would you mind letting me know where you had the ECU flashed?

[@got_to_roll]

@@mandomarc1 2 Wheel Dynoworks in Kirkland, WA.

[@mandomarc1]

Thx for the ECU flash tip

[@HappyTrails50]

Delkevic makes a great exhaust at affordable price. Makes the super tenere sound great. Also put a Delkevic on my little xt250 and today will be installing a Delkevic on my wife’s bmw 310. Great exhausts at about half the price for comparable competition! Vrooom vrooom

[@BEazy0511]

Nice comparison. Really looking hard at either the GT Pro or the Explorer, just can't decide if the extra range and blind spot detection is worth the cost. Looking forward to more of this series.

[@staffordvideoproductions5788]

I have found a dozen S10s within a radius of 250 miles here in the PNW. In January 2024 new 23 models are selling for 14k OTD.

[@travelinben1966]

If I could have gotten my hands on a new,old stock ST, I would have grabbed it in a second. I went for a new Moto Guzzi V85 TT which I really like.Thanks for the video.

[@tracey38999]

Just bought a 2012 super tenere with only 2000 miles on it. It looks brand new.!!!

[@travelinben1966]

@@tracey38999 Nice👍🏻 Ride safe!

[@justincoleman2740]

Good review sir. If I'm not mistaken, Yamaha is clearly much more reliable by a long shot. Breakdown stats tell the story.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

We shall see, so far so good.

[@AdventuresWithMe00]

My Super Tenere still feels fine to me, so it's probably best that I don't try a new bike. I bet the differences would be pretty obvious and it would be hard to go back to the Tenere.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

The Tenere is a great bike, no reason to change if you are happy with it.

[@bottomlinebassin2001]

Congrats on the new bike Craig, she's a beaut, ride safe brother 💪🏍️

[@painsrides]

I'm not in the market for a full-size ADV. But what hooked me is; "Its hard to believe it has been 7 years since you got the Tenere' and prepped it for Alaska"... Wow, I'm not sure I've actually gotten any older 🤣🤣

[@unmotardalondres9211]

Thanks for comparing this 2 bikes. How many you done with each one please?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Miles? 22k on the Tenere and 13k so far on the Tiger.

[@Doug_Morgan]

I thought about getting a Tiger when I had my S10ES, I decided the cost to change was more than I was willing to do at the time and also there was only one tank with the Tiger and it gave you less range than the Tenere. In 2021 I did buy a T120 Bonneville which I only kept for a year. Before it was even due for first service the gear position sensor failed and I had to take it in for repair. It is also very fussy about what tires you put on it. Stock it comes with a radial on the rear and a bias on the front. When the stock tires were done I replaced them with Avon radials front and rear and then the bike had a wobble at highway speeds and generally felt unstable. Then the throttle position sensor failed just as it turned 1 year old. Reading on the forums I found other complaints with sensors on the bike and the wiring harness in general, which btw is made so it barely reaches anything. The wires are pulling on all the plugs. I decided enough was enough and traded it in on something else.

[@motosteve6127]

I currently own a 2014 Super Tenere, non-ES. It's a bike that's hard to complain about (but I think I will). As you said, the base motorcycle is very good. It is very unexciting though. TCS always defaults to rain mode. The engine is uninspiring and then they choose to limit the power in the lower gears. The instrumentation is fine for it's era, except much of the information is inaccurate. Temperature readout is from the engine control system, not even close to accurate for the rider. It gives out range info. Again, way off. It often reports 300+ mile after a fill up, but 180 miles later, telling you its almost empty. So, Yamaha did all the motorcycle bits really well, but the electronics let this bike down. Funny about the Triumph and trip meter. A co-worker bought a new Triumph last year (not an Explorer) and it took him 2 days to find where the odometer was.

[@rayjensen4480]

You're right.....but there is one little item that makes Super Tenere' stand way out above the rest though: RELIABILITY! I've always said that they should have added a grand to the price....and put a nice sounding "pipe" on them and some hot colors. They are boring as hell to ride, it's true.....but boy are they bulletproof!

[@motosteve6127]

@@rayjensen4480 I have only owned mine for a year, so can't really assess reliability. I did have a seal go out on the final drive. It was easy and pretty cheap to fix. I am happy with the bike so far. Considering a flash.. maybe that will help.

[@paulcollins7185]

@@motosteve6127 If you are looking for the Tenere to have more performance on the lines of the Tiger, a modern "adventure" bike with a further, near fifteen years development, over the Tenere, then buy something newer and more modern. It's an unfair comparison between these two motorcycles from two different generations entirely.

[@bseidem5112]

@@motosteve6127 Full arrow pipe and reflash=excitement.

[@manfred09]

Great review! Thx! If you go to Tour-miles once, you can turn it on/off on screen with the Home button. Same to mileage/gallon.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Yeah, I found that work around, but the trip meter should be on the main screen.

[@henriquemarinholeitechaves8931]

Fair comparison. If a 100% synthetic oil (Motul 7100 etc.) is used in the ST, it will be serviced at 10 K km intervals.

[@morley3810]

I recently found your channel while researching the S10. I'm traditionally a sport touring rider, leaning toward sport (VFR800 for example, one of my favourite bikes I've ever owned). However I'm wanting to do some much longer trips and so something more touring oriented is likely best. I'm not crazy about advanced electronics, and my 2 must haves are pretty basic: ABS and cruise control. Reliability is a very top priority. So, I had been looking at buying an FJR. But in searching through Google Maps I've found lots of great looking roads that are either gravel, or at best poorly maintained pavement. So I've been drawn to the adventure bike segment after swearing I'd never go down that road haha. The Triumph is more advanced than the S10 for sure, but I really think the S10 is the right bike for me. I could actually see it being the last bike I buy for the next 20 years. I have a GSXR that I ride to work most days in the summer, the S10 would be for travelling only. Thanks for your input, it's much appreciated.

[@MotorvriendenDePallieters]

Nice review I love adventure bikes I am currently riding a 2018 Honda Goldwing the reason is I suffer from lower back pain and it rides very smooth does everything it's supposed to do but would still love to ride an adventure bike, lighter shorter and more agile. My question would this bike meet my needs despite my back problems and is the Tiger as comfortable as the Honda Goldwing.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I have a friend with a Goldwing and we have swapped. The Goldwing is very comfortable with a low seat and bar position, but it is a heavier bike. The Tiger is taller, seat height 33 or 34 inches. The bars are also wider. The Tiger is more than 200 pounds lighter than Goldwing. I am very comfortable on the Tiger and like the upright riding position. It makes me sit up straight and saves my low back. I did move the bars back and up, which helps a lot.

[@MotorvriendenDePallieters]

​@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks for the feedback, I will definitely take a test ride, personally I think the Tiger 1200 GT version is the most beautiful adventure bikes of all, also because I am not a fan of a boxer engine, I prefer the sound of the 3 cylinder. Keep it safe and I'll be sure to follow your upcoming videos.

[@got_to_roll]

I too have low back issues. I'm 6'4" and very comfortable on my Super Tenere ES up to about 10 hours. I have a custom saddle and bar risers, stock pegs and controls.

[@bertrandp8917]

Yes me too 6'4" . I had st 2022 after 1 year un bought golwing 2022. Only 3 weeks and 2000kms i sold my goldwing for St 2023. I had back pain. Sorry for my poor english😢

[@kevinsterner9490]

Good comparison. I had a Tenere for awhile. The major thing I didn’t like was I felt like I was sitting on top of it and not in it. I have an Africa Twin and have set on the Tigers. Those two bikes have you feeling like you are sitting in a cockpit.

[@kimmarcelo6131]

Sitting? Bro, these bikes are meant to be ridden standing up!!

[@kevinsterner9490]

@@kimmarcelo6131 These are big ADV bikes that can do long highway miles. Yes i do stand up off road during sketchy sections but that is only part of the trip

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

Looking forward to following the Triumph

[@craigwesson1788]

I’ll be interested in your one year review. I understand you just can’t get them in the US right now, I wonder if they will make one to compete with the newer technology 🤔

[@jameslee5428]

Thank you again for another outstanding review. Yamaha ultra reliable/dealer Netwerk worldwide. Triumph reliable, but not as much as Yamaha. Their Netwerk is not worldwide, but still a decent bike. Mine bender. I decided to go with a Harley Davidson Pan America for the simple fact that the dealer Netwerk is worldwide, there’s a Harley dealer on every corner if you know what I mean. AND the big plus is. NO VALVE ADJUSTMENTS. That’s a big plus/saves you a lot of money in the long run. Anyhow, thanks another outstanding video. Keep the rubber side up.

[@thebigempty_5792]

My 2015 ST came with a Yoshimura RS4 slip on exhaust and it sounds incredible - surely sounds much better than all the others I've heard with the oem exhaust. In the ST defense, it's basically the same model from 2015-2023 while the Tiger has probably had multiple updates/refreshes in that same time frame.

[@kevincampbell8298]

I am waiting on delivery of my 23 1200 GT Pro

[@murraycharters6102]

Craig, what I would like to know is why you would keep both the Yamaha and the Triumph?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I did not keep the Tenere, sold it in 21 after getting a BMW K1600 and a Yamaha WR25R. Traded the BMW to move back to a ADV bike. Still have the WR

[@201soner]

How can you compare that 2

[@LTVoyager]

So, the adaptive cruise in your truck doesn’t resume the set speed if you change lanes when behind a slower vehicle? That seems odd as the vehicles I’ve driven do this so it really isn’t any different than changing lanes when driving without cruise in order to keep the speed you desire.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Of course it does, but since the vehicle maintains the same following distance I do not get the sense of overtaking and end up pacing a slower vehicle.

[@LetsrideJ]

good review, ill keep the s10 till i could snap up one of these used in a few years. that new price ouch

[@S682]

Great review!

[@fatchunk3678]

Tender ABS has an official procedure of putting bike on centre stand and running in 2nd gear I believe?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

It is more a hack than an "official" procedure. Every time you stop the bike the ABS will come back on an you would need to redo the procedure. Completely unnecessary for most riders the Tenere off-road. I never did that and never had any issues.

[@kingkrimson8771]

You mentioned that the stock screen on the S10 caused buffeting. Did you ever find a cure for it?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Yes, I got a Madstad bracket and shield. Also put on the Yamaha lowers. Worked great.

[@lp6wo]

Great comparison. Love my super tenere but that tiger looks like a pretty awesome bike. I hope Yamaha will make a new super tenere at some point that is more competitive with the new bikes on the market.

[@andrespabloviacava7861]

Very good 👍 I will like your opinion of the BMW 1.250 GS our GS Adventure

[@craigfinnegan8534]

I owned an ST for 6 months before trading it in for an FJ-09. The ST's power was too relaxed for me at the low end and I felt it was too heavy and not agile enough for either fun or safety. I've had my FJ-09 for 7 years now and still appreciate it for beating the ST where it most counts to me. I'm looking ahead a couple of years to my next bike, and until recently I was seriously considering the new Tiger 1200. But after the conclusions at the end of the test ride review by Schaaf (link below), I braked hard over what you confirmed for me here by comparing it to the ST - that the power delivery is too relaxed for me at the low end. To be fair to both the ST and the Tiger, I don't do the long-distance highway miles most ADV bike owners do. But I do need something beefier than my FJ-09 for carrying the amount of cargo I do locally (my 35 lb dog rides with me, and my groceries are strapped on every 2 weeks). My next step is to look into the Kawasaki Versys 1000, which I've heard is stronger on the low end than the Tiger 1200. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this video. I wish you the best of luck with your Tiger, and safe travels. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maPNpZ2IqtKcfKs

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Maybe you should look at the Tracer 900 GT, Same engine as your bike in a touring platform.

[@craigfinnegan8534]

@@LivingOffTheSlab I've already looked at the Tracer 9 GT and it's a great bike, but I need a change and I'm thinking the Versys 1000 will be a little better at carrying all my stuff. I do like that they got rid of that ridiculous split dash this year (everyone hated it). You might be thinking I have an FZ, not an FJ? The FJ-09 I have is the 1st gen of the Tracer 9. Who knows, I might end up taking your advice if the Versys disappoints me enough on a demo ride. I've been amazed by my experiences testing out bikes like the KTM Super Duke 1290 GT, the BMW RT, the Yamaha MT-10. Each time I'd get back on my FJ-09 feeling strongly that I already had the better bike. As for European bikes in general, I'm done for good. The final straw was recently hearing about the GS's drive shaft failures due to corrosion at the linkages (apparently BMW doesn't lube and seal them adequately at the factory). Otherwise I'd go with the Beemer, with it's stronger torque on the low end. Incidentally, I just read in an MCN article that the newer upgrade to a 1300GS is probably delayed until 2024 (maybe because of European economic problems?) and that it likely won't have much more actual power than the 1250GS, since the increased engine displacement is mainly to compensate for the sacrifices made to meet the new European emission standards (just like when the Tracer 900 became the Tracer 9). Thanks for your input. Seeing your love of "the big road" (as I used to call long-distance touring), I envy you somewhat but at the same time I want to kiss the ground of NE Florida where I live, just as I did on hiking excursions, bicycle tours, motorcycle trips, and hurricane evacuations over these last twelve years. I've belled your channel and look forward to watching your future videos. Kinda like front blindspot radar, right?!

[@nicolasjoachim396]

Thanks for this video. It’s a good think. I’ve got a ST12 Raid edition ( 2018 ) and it’s a very good bike. I’ve never tried the Triumph but il’s a nice bike ( modern,etc… ). What about brakes ? I suppose Tiger is better than the ST12. Thanks for your advice ( a better seat on the ST12 ). V to you

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

The Tiger has Bremos, much better. I think the stock seat on the Tiger is better than the stock S10, but after having custom work done, the Tenere was better.

[@Doug_Morgan]

Craig BTW I hope this new Tiger doesn't have any of those issues I had with the Bonneville. I came very close to getting the Tiger in 2020 and this newer version looks even better.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Thank you, I hope so as well. I have friends who have older Tigers and they have been very solid for them. But, we shall see...

[@Frontpagefab]

Thanks for the objective comparison. One topic that you didn't touch on is 2 up riding. Is the pillion seat as big as the Tenere'?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I think they look about the same, but I never had the wife on the Tenere. She has been on the Tiger and does not like it as well as the BMW. We might have to do some seat work.

[@Frontpagefab]

@@LivingOffTheSlab I recommend Terry’s custom seats in Tennessee. He did my tenere seats and we love them. 2 up is important to me because I have way more 2 up miles then I do by myself.

[@murraycharters6102]

@@Frontpagefab. Your a lucky man. My wife will not even contemplate going pillion, which is such a shame we can’t both share the joy.

[@Frontpagefab]

@@murraycharters6102 Yes, I am. Funny story though. I had a KLR650 and a 900 Custom and she would only ride around town, and only on country roads. After I bought the S10, she heard me talking to a friend about a trip I was planning. At first she was her usual about spending, but when she discovered that the trip was skyline drive and the Blue Ridge parkway, she suddenly decided she wanted to go. After that trip, I have only been on one trip without her.

[@serguti]

Another great video!

[@MikeGIronCreek]

I think this was a pretty good comparison, but perhaps a bit lopsided and dated due to the technical updates... That said, I'm thinking about trading my '16 S10ES for the Ducati Multistrada v4s! BTW, adaptive cruise is brilliant on a bike, more so than a car... Triumph missed the mark on that one! Cheers and congratulations on the new Tiger!

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Sure, Triumph has updated the Tiger and Yamaha still sells the same bike updated 2014 in as a 2023 model. I am getting used to the radar cruise on my truck and have been enjoy it, even in relatively heavy traffic. I can now see how it would be cool on a bike.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

This Video might cause me to look closer at the Tiger -900 before I purchase a Yamaha T-700 Or even a Triumph Tiger 660 I think they have now ? The price on the Triumph is too high for me .. I do want something with a 21" front wheel .

[@c2protect]

It sounds like to me you own a Teslas Tiger aka triumph. It takes the enjoyment of really riding when the bjke does the riding for you.

[@bseidem5112]

So what happened to that great BMW 1600? To much maint?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

After overheating on the trip, I just couldn't trust it for the kind of trips I take. I would not mind paying the high costs of maintenance if it was reliable, but given the issues, it had to go.

[@wellsjohnnysfunstuff1213]

Where is the engine temp gauge on the Triumph? I've never seen it in any vids. That, fuel gauge, and yes, odometer, or range should always be right there together.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

All available but not on main screen.

[@christofhuebner7841]

1.) What is the point of comparing a 2015 bike with a 2024 (?) bike? 2.) I would take a S10 to Alaska (or anywhere else far and remote) any day but, given my experience with a Tiger 800 a few years back, I would not want to do so with a Triumph. Comments in this thread seem to confirm my assessment. 3.) S 10 is top heavy? Huh? I beg to differ.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

1). I was asked many times what the difference was. In addition, the S10 in the same configuration is available as a 2024 model. 2). I took my Tenere to Alaska and I just took my Tiger there as well. No problems with either bike. 3). People say both bikes are too heavy, but it has never been an issue for me.

[@christofhuebner7841]

@@LivingOffTheSlab - here is another huge plus (in my book): the S10 has shaft drive. Does the Tiger?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

​@@christofhuebner7841Yes

[@christofhuebner7841]

@@LivingOffTheSlab well, 10 years almost off service with my super Tenere traveling all across the country I think is quite a track record, especially since I’ve never had any breakdowns or other problems with that bike.

[@BlazinBlades]

This may be your last tall heavy ADV bike… enjoy it 🍻 At 54 I’m already enjoying smaller displacement lighter bikes. 20 even 10 years ago I would not give it a second thought…😅😅 Cheers BB

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I have a WR250 as well, but for travel, the bigger bike is much better.

[@joseaguirre7517]

It is a nice bike!! But why you didn't Choose the rally pro or Explorer? From my simple point of view any of these two bikes would be way ahead better for the kind of travels on tarmac or specially off road!! You can find over there . Anyway.. if you love the tarmac.. it is understandable !

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I chose the GT because I am realistic and know that the majority of my riding will be on tarmac or groomed dirt and gravel roads. If I really want to do off road riding, I have a WR250 which is much better suited for that kind of riding.

[@joseaguirre7517]

@@LivingOffTheSlab nice answer!! And.. thank you!!

[@derekm6236]

So, for less than the price difference between the two, you could buy a brand new Royal Enfield Interceptor for nipping down to the takeout pizza place. Prices for so-called "premium" bikes have gone daft!

[@ralfdoring7634]

good Video. All the (actually + allover) bad Yamaha-points named. I missed an short Review of the light system. And Triumph called the machine "TIGER" anf give them a duckface like BMW... SOOOOO unnessesary...

[@mikemills5144]

Man you read my mind completely. I do not care for the windscreen on the new Tiger though, seems that they just wanted to lose some weight so made it shorter and more narrow (plus not electric but that is not a big deal). In full disclosure I did have the Madstad setup on the Tenere and put it on after about 500km so I can't comment on the original, I just k ow that I will have to replace this screen. The only other thing I can add is that the brakes on the Triumph are far superior but again, you are comparing a 2012 bike to a 2023. As for price I got my Tenere for $16k (Canuck Bucks) out the door while the Triumph was $30k, was it worth it to me? Absolutely! Oh yeah and this bike has self cancelling turn signals, one of my pet peeves about the Tenere.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Agree, love the self cancelling turn signals, but it took me a bit to get used to the short press long press thing.

[@chadridsdale9970]

Well 1 year in how is the tiger

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I have done a few other videos, but 15k miles so far with no issues.

[@chadridsdale9970]

@@LivingOffTheSlab that's GREAT to hear.

[@henryhawk978]

I'd rather spend 6 grand on a used Stelvio that will take me everywhere I want to go in as much comfort as I need or want. Then put the extra 20grand in my pocket. And I'll ride my bike using my common sense so I don't need lean angle ABS or 5 modes traction control or 5 throttle modes. What about sprinkle mode for when it's just sprinkling does your bike have sprinkle mode? And what about FART mode, does your bike tell you when to hold your breath when I ride by and fart?! HaHa! Enjoyed the video Craig! RIDE SAFE!

[@jameswhittington2318]

What a jerk

[@henryhawk978]

@@jameswhittington2318 yeah, I know.

[@ChavsADV]

I just bought a used ST for 7000, thats less than the what the interest on a 5 year loan for the Tiger. Easy choice.

[@rayjensen4480]

Craig! Did you see that Yamaha just announced a "2023" Super Tenere'? Have you heard anything about whether the 2023, with just a color change, and not a very good one....(in fact....a pretty bad one), is a true continuation of the Super Tenere'.....or are they just using up parts until they're gone and then that's it? I also saw that the FJR 1300 has been carried forward....but both have been discontinued in Europe because of emissions or something. So...have you heard anything? (And...IF they plan on continuing the Super Tenere'....how do we get them to seriously use other colors besides casket grey and typical black? HOT yellow or even the white is better!

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I saw that too, but have not talked with my dealer to see what they know. As far as I understand both bikes are just a continuation of last year's models. We shall see when/if the become available. Not holding my breath. I agree, black is not my choice either.

[@kingkrimson8771]

2023 Super Teneres have started showing up at dealers here in Canada, same as the prior year models except for color and a $100 increase in price. Granite Gray is the only option.

[@rayjensen4480]

@@kingkrimson8771 But....in your opinion, is it just a "build out" to get rid of remaining parts? The internet articles all say that Yamaha has stopped making those and FJ1300's because of new European emissions rules? Meaning...that Yamaha feels that there is no longer enough global demand for those models to build them? Have you heard that?

[@kingkrimson8771]

@@rayjensen4480 To be honest I haven't followed the Super Tenere until very recently so I can't say with any certainty whether change is coming to that model. I currently own a 2018 Tracer and I'd love to see a new shaft-driven adventure tourer built around that sweet CP3 engine.

[@fatchunk3678]

But, when it comes to isolated remote travel, this review is kind of like Land Rover vs Toyota

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

That remain to be seen, but so far I have almost 5000 trouble free miles. More than I can say for my BMW...

[@bseidem5112]

Dirt roads for adventure? Weight comparison.?

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

They are both very competent on a dirt road. The Tiger is about 20 pounds lighter off the showroom floor.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

I wish I could get a Tiger 900 Rally Pro made by Yamaha.

[@anakromhis]

I'd choose S10 over Tigers anyday.

[@tracey38999]

I’m like a lot of the old school riders in the comments. I have a great time riding my motorcycle without all the modern electronics!!!!

[@miroslavkulisek810]

which is better yamaha or triumph? I can't translate the video, I can't speak English

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I have 12 different languages available for subtitles, including Russian. What language do you speak? Short answer, the Triumph is better, but it has about 10 years better tech on it, so that would be expected.

[@miroslavkulisek810]

@@LivingOffTheSlab Czech language

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

@@miroslavkulisek810 I add Czech as a subtitle language

[@miroslavkulisek810]

@@LivingOffTheSlab thank you

[@miroslavkulisek810]

@@LivingOffTheSlab thank you for adding the subtitles in Czech to the video, a great review of these Triumph motorcycles, it is a very nice motorcycle, it is livelier, faster, more electronics, it is also much newer and more expensive as you describe in the video, but for me Yamaha is my favorite ❤️ besides, here in the Czech Republic it is written that Triumph has transmission problems only within a year or so. So for the Yamaha winner I will start subscribing to your channel, so if I can ask for Czech subtitles to be added to each video? thank you very much, I wish you many wonderful kilometers on the motorcycle hope that what I wrote makes sense when translated by Google's sentence translator

[@LooxJJ]

As of December 2023, Yamaha Tenere has been around since 2016 (the latest variant) - its dated, old, and perhaps design that would suit 2010s. HOWEVER, Yamaha has solved all the bugs out this bike - 2023 model would be the most reliable Heavy Adventure Motorcycle in the market. Proof? It works flawlessly at the altitude of 16,000 feet (BMW’s boxer engine is known to de-sync at thin atmosphere). It’s only competitor would be 2023 Honda Africa Twin ES and Suzuki Vstrom 1050XT/DE. Note they are all Japanese made.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I believe the ST was last updated in 2014, which now makes it 10 years since a refresh, and in the ADV world that is a lifetime. It is a very reliable bike, but unfortunately it seems Yamaha has given up on it. By the way, I have 15K trouble free miles on my Tiger, so far.

[@bf6686]

The seat is far too hard for longer trips, which lowers the comfort rating for the Triumph Feedback

[@JimmyHamAnp]

nice job!

[@12masterr]

I test rode almost every bike there is, and bought another bmw gs it is perfect? Nope. But there is honestly nothing that comes close ti it in term of comfort and low center of gravity. Also, in a emergency braking situation there is not other bike in the world that have the stability of the bemmer . The super tenere was very bery top heavy, if you riding over 5 miles it is ok, but if you move it in the garage you know what I'm talking about.the same for tje triumph and the bmw 850 adventure.

[@charlescummings1484]

Sweet.

[@paulcollins7185]

There's also nearly 15 yrs of technical development in motorcycle improvements from your tenere to the new tiger. So your illustrations of the differences are typical of the kind of improvements you would expect from a bike designed and built and brought out in 2010 as to one that is an example of the same kind of bike but of today, 2023! So, the comparisons are only useful in illustrating how far technology on similar motorcycles has come on from 2010 up to 2023 and nothing else.......Of course the Tiger should be a "better" bike otherwise that's saying that bikes of today have not moved on at all in all that time.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Sure, Yamaha has not updated the Super Tenere since 2014. They are still selling that bike as a 2023 model. We shall see if they ever decide to bring it up to the level of the Triumph, BMW or KTM.

[@PSANDEE]

With due respect, this review didn’t make sense to me. Yamaha updated Tenere back in 2014 and comparing that with a latest Triumph is not fair game. Also, the Tiger Explorer GT is more road focused than go anywhere Super Ten. Super Ten makes its peak torque at 6K rpm, where as Tiger at 7K RPM. All am saying is you are not comparing Apples to Apples. You could have said what you liked in Tiger over Tenere or vice versa..

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Thanks, I appreciate your input. I answered the question about why I did the review, right up front. I have viewers that have been with me during the purchase of both bikes and they were curious about the differences. Yamaha sells this same bike (it has not been updated) as a 2023 model. Are you saying that because of its old tech, it should not be considered by anyone looking for an adventure bike today?

[@PSANDEE]

@@LivingOffTheSlab Super Ten is really a great bike and I would recommend to anyone who wants a reliable machine. What am saying is, even though both are 1200cc Triumph Tiger 1200 GT is not an adventure bike. It’s more of a sport touring bike with adventure ergonomics. So comparing them both is not fair.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

@@PSANDEE Ok, we will just have to agree to disagree. Ride safe.

[@mariohanzek712]

Yamaha - oil change interval is 6000 miles or 10000 km (Europe)

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Not when I bought the Super Tenere in 2015. It was every 4000 miles with a filter change at every 8. This is the US manual, I understand the European version is different.

[@mariohanzek712]

@@LivingOffTheSlab my is 2014. EU model (Italy)

[@jaimevillarreal2446]

La confiabilidad y durabilidad de la yamaha es única me quedo con yamaha mil veces prefiero una moto que no me deje tirado en la carretera y eso es lo que uno busca en una moto yamaha es yamaha

[@RichardCranium79]

hilarious. thanks for sharing

[@kkimvw]

number of Yamaha dealers in USA: 868. number of Triumph dealers 161.

[@Sybellius-x6r]

SuperTenere is reliable !

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Yep. 15k on the Tiger in the first year. No problems.

[@barendfourie6687]

You make really good videos but this one don't do anything for me. Its truimph biased just by model year.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

As I mentioned, I did the video because I was asked to compare the bikes I have owned . Unfortunately Yamaha has not upgraded to the Super Tenere since 2014. Comparing a 2023 model would be the same.

[@barendfourie6687]

@@LivingOffTheSlab I understand but you also realise thats why you pay 7000 more and you still dont get the yamaha reliability and support everywhere you go. I looked at the tiger but when you plan to ride to the most rural places in the country at our age support goes a long long way.

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

@@barendfourie6687 That may or may not be true, we don't know yet. So far I have 4000 trouble free miles.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

And backlit controls. Very pricey!

[@Chef-Chad]

I found a Yamaha Super Tenere, but they want over 18,000 dollars for it

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

Wow, I guess it is all about supply and demand. Still none at my dealer. No FJRs either.

[@ememcleaning4543]

Now take that triumph to Alaska and let us know how many times you broke down

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

When I went, we had a Yamaha, Triumph and Ducati...we all made it.

[@garajmedet...1601]

Daha önceki videolarinda süper tenereyi hep övdün, şimdi neden kötüluyorsun anlamış degilim, st10 katır gibi uzun yıllar binebilecegin bisiklet, africa tween 2 sene sonra heryerinde paslanma oluyor st10 her anlamda seni her yere götüruyor,,

[@LivingOffTheSlab]

I am not vilifying the S10, I still think it is a great bike and a great value. With that said, Yamaha has not done anything to upgrade the S10 since 2014 and it lags behind in the modern tech you will find on all the other 1200 cc adventure bikes. It is the decision of the individual as to whether or not the tech and HP are worth the extra cost of a Triumph, BMW or KTM.

[@garajmedet...1601]

@@LivingOffTheSlab haklısın, yıllardan beri yamaha st10 hiç geliştirmedi, fakat gerçek olanda ne kadar çok teknolji girdikçi araba veya motorsiklete, o kadar çok arıza oluyor ve sağlamlığı bitiyor, st10 tam bir rafine olarak kaldı..

[@murraycarton3792]

British / European vs Japanese .................. "JAPANESE EVERY TIME"