Yamaha Tenere 700 vs Honda Africa Twin - On and Off Road Comparison Test

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@Nifilheimur
@Nifilheimur Жыл бұрын
Im more for sport touring or classic bikes but the Africa Twin is the only ADV bike ive ever thought about buying. It looks just so complete
@billmcmeekin7909
@billmcmeekin7909 Жыл бұрын
21000km on my 2020 Africa Twin DCT ES. Incredible multi week tour ADV, that is simply Honda reliable. Get out and buy one bud :⁠-⁠) You'll never look back!
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
The Adventure Sports version actually reminded me of a good sport tourer.
@NorCalSaint
@NorCalSaint Жыл бұрын
Recreantly sold my 2018 AT Adventure Sports because I wanted something a little more sporty. Ended up buying a Multistrada 1260 Enduro (one of the best upright sports touring bikes IMO)
@billmcmeekin7909
@billmcmeekin7909 Жыл бұрын
@@NorCalSaint Good news! As long as you're riding and enjoying the adventure. Cheers to a new stead :⁠-⁠)
@andesmotoadventure
@andesmotoadventure Жыл бұрын
I own an AT2021, standard (not DCT) and every time I look around for an upgrade (even the adventure DCT) I come back to my current motorcycle because I feel like that it is a perfect balance between an off road & touring motorbike and this video makes me feel that I'm right about it. Thank you for the comparison.
@Mo-kl4fb
@Mo-kl4fb 4 ай бұрын
my dream bike. I'd do anything to get it.
@ComfyDadShoes
@ComfyDadShoes Жыл бұрын
I love that you did this comparison. It makes total sense. I’ve asked myself a lot of the same questions regarding AT/vstrom800/T7.
@davidpoffenbarger3686
@davidpoffenbarger3686 Жыл бұрын
I've owned a 2017 AT/DCT for a few years now. Got a great deal on it and have come to love the DCT. That said, I was pretty keen on the lighter weight and better off road manners of the T7 about a year after I got my AT. I wanted one pretty badly for a year or so but unfortunately, they were virtually impossible to find in my area, so my AT stayed the the garage. Now a bit farther down the road, so to speak, I'm fine with the AT, and have a KTM500 for more serious off road. Setting it up to do some light overnight trips and see how it works in that environment. I ride alone most of the time and even the Tenere could be a challenge to pick up if something went wrong in difficult terrain. My KTM, no problem. My AT is perfect for secondary/gravel/jeep roads and can still knock out more road miles in a day than I want to ride. Bottom line, my AT and KTM are working for me now.....
@Anatoli50
@Anatoli50 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got the same two bikes. They cover the entire spectrum from hard enduro to 400 mile days.
@Sokratesso
@Sokratesso Жыл бұрын
I had a Yamaha T7 Rally Edition. I sold it and bought a Honda ATAS. Both bikes are great, but the Yamaha is definitely a one-man bike.
@kylerose3174
@kylerose3174 Жыл бұрын
“Just add more lightness”. I had to think about that sentence for a while.
@Wintersdark
@Wintersdark Жыл бұрын
I harp on about this a lot, but cost for adventure bikes is more important than cost for street bikes, because if you're spending a lot of time off road you *will* be crashing that bike, and you will be fixing it. I'm fine spending more on a street bike because I'm not going to break it, so I'm just spending that premium once. I find the more expensive the bike I'm taking offroad is, the more hesitant I am to "send it" and have fun. If I was riding a 20,000 BMW, I'm absolutely not going to try the stuff I'd try with a $10,000 Tenere.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. You'd better have a deep wallet if you're going to take a Multistraga V4 or R1250GS on the trails.
@chrischristofis8501
@chrischristofis8501 Жыл бұрын
Or any KTM this is where the Japs have an edge on cost, and it does matter for most people
@tHaH4x0r
@tHaH4x0r Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, all valid points. I was in this exact boat a year ago. In the end, I went for the AT. For me, the base AT strikes a really good balance between offroad capabilities yet still comfortable on the street (esp. the seat, cruise control, wind protection, gearing etc). Especially if you want to travel two up like I plan to do. I also use my bike for commuting, so the safety features were important for me as well (especially in the wet and cold in winter). The fit and finish was what sealed the deal for me. What you mentioned on the standing up position/maneuverability is very true. Standing just feel natural and easier to handle standing compared to the T7, but on road the opposite is true where the AT handles better. It is all about finding the compromise that is right for you.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yes, the AT is the more complete bike and better on pavement. It just depends on the kind of riding you do.
@Thejumelot
@Thejumelot Жыл бұрын
Having had both bikes, I fully agree. And I am absolutely in love with the ATAS.
@TerrySylvester-ip9on
@TerrySylvester-ip9on Жыл бұрын
I have over 17,000 miles on my T7, including 4500 miles of the TAT last summer; cracked side stand switch and cracked front rim (I tried to bang out a dent right on the manufacturing seam) are the only issues I’ve had with this bike! I love my T7! It’s fun, simple, reliable, and looks great. I have rented Africa Twins in France and Georgia (the country) and love this bike, too. I would not trade my T7 for one but if I ever replaced my BMW R1200 GSA, it would be with the Africa Twin Adventure Sports. I love the BMW but would never get another bike that expensive past my wife; only got it because the Africa Twin wasn’t available in 2014. I have a BETA 500 for the roughest stuff.
@lessmore444
@lessmore444 Жыл бұрын
2 yrs aboard the T7 & my mind hasn’t changed. Reliable, electronic simplicity, heavy & as powerful as I want to wrestle with off road. Goldilocks machine
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Well said! I do like the bike. I don't tour long distance so the T7 suits me best.
@davidmallia628
@davidmallia628 Жыл бұрын
Love the T7, but for shorties like me, 31 inseam, it is just too high, and top heavy, and I ride a 1200gs which is so well balanced, albeit a factory low suspension model. I hear, now, that there is an Explore T7, with lower seat height, but I have yet to sit on one, for size, and top end weight.
@queenslander954
@queenslander954 Жыл бұрын
Yea mate that’s very good mail , Yamaha really did their homework & it’s definitely a modern day classic.
@jonparker8795
@jonparker8795 Жыл бұрын
Just picked up a manual 2017 Africa Twin for the same price as a new Tenere with only 3300mi on it (steal of a deal). I was in the same boat comparing the two and ended up going with the slightly larger ATwin. I live on a dirt road, with trails all around, and I gotta say it feels lighter than the 511lbs wet, even when picking it up. It's still a bit of a bear but the CofG is great on the thing. Friend of mine has a T7 and I prefer the AT ergos over it. All in all, both great bikes, and comes down to user preferences. At least with the 2017 model year it didn't get that wonky touch screen, huge misstep that honda did there. Wonderful channel, man, keep up the good work
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yep, I like the 1000 AT. It reminds me more of the T7 because it was simpler than the current model. You can get some good deals on those now, unlike the Tenere.
@jonparker8795
@jonparker8795 Жыл бұрын
@@DifferentSpokesTV I feel bad for the folks that want a T7, things seem like they're sold all of the time before they've even been put into a crate. Granted, super happy with the AT1000 and can't wait for the adventures coming up this year.
@dbmiller5881
@dbmiller5881 Жыл бұрын
great comparison, well presented! I agree these 2 bikes are very "comparable" - in that if you were shopping for a new adventure bike, these 2 could easily be on the top of your list! I agree that the AT does lean more towards "touring" - but to me, that includes a simple long day of riding. If I'm out for 10 or 12 hours, some highway time, back roads, gravel roads, un-maintained roads, maybe a power line track connecting a few roads, the comfort of the AT is undeniable. Add in cruise control and Android Auto and it makes a top notch experience.
@jackle842000
@jackle842000 Жыл бұрын
Great review! I don't care what people think this is a good comparison because I've been wondering between the two when it comes to off-road and on road comfort for long rides.
@briangarner
@briangarner Жыл бұрын
Best comparison vid i've seen! Thank you!
@abubakarhussein5197
@abubakarhussein5197 Жыл бұрын
Ive done my first ever off road solo, 400kms in 2 days on a 2016 DCT in Africas most tough terrains with 3 drops only! I now have upgraded to 2023 manual adventure sport and really miss DCT. AT is an amazing bike
@DJPTEXAS
@DJPTEXAS Жыл бұрын
At least you can actually see the Honda at a dealership.......
@AirSunJet
@AirSunJet Жыл бұрын
In Germany i have a Yamaha Dealer near me with at least 20 Teneres. Is it really that unavailable in the US?
@DJPTEXAS
@DJPTEXAS Жыл бұрын
@@AirSunJet Yes, at least in my area.... and I have been looking. All the Japanese brands never have their full lineup on display or available at once, They often come in one at a time months apart... or already taken by pre orders that you never see..
@yamkaw346
@yamkaw346 Жыл бұрын
@@DJPTEXASWhere are you located? There’s multiple dealers in my area with t7’s in stock. I’m seriously considering one
@DJPTEXAS
@DJPTEXAS Жыл бұрын
@@yamkaw346 El Paso TX, I did hear they may have one in Las Cruces NM which is only 40 min or so away and I may shoot over just to look at it !
@kalash2874
@kalash2874 Жыл бұрын
What the rebel 500? 😂
@RetiredAdventureRider
@RetiredAdventureRider Жыл бұрын
I own an Africa Twin, and I love it, but I've been thinking about downsizing mostly for the weight. The T7 is definitely on my list. My AT is 2016 and doesn't have all the newer electronics, but it does have the extra weight of the DCT, tipping the scale at well over 500 lbs. On the other hand, most of my riding is on pavement or not too technical off-road, so the AT is perfectly suitable. It's aging well, so I've probably got a few more years to keep riding and thinking about my next bike.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yep, no point in upgrading if your AT is working for you. Cheers!
@maddogchad77
@maddogchad77 10 ай бұрын
I ride an Fz07 love the motor power delivery wish I would have bought a tenere after knowing what I do now! africa twin have raced dealership workers riding them on my fz07 and I think they were thoroughly impressed with my riding as they looked back like this guy! as a fallow them into baja califonia, mx. you tell me something I haven't figured out yet!
@jessenewman6738
@jessenewman6738 10 ай бұрын
Thanks you I know I’ll end up riding 90% onroad and only 10% off road out here in California so I plan to get the Honda though part of me is still thinking Yamaha tenere 700 would be fine and more fun off road so I’m I. Limbo
@AT2021Rocker
@AT2021Rocker Жыл бұрын
I rode the IDBDR in 2022 with a group, I was on my 2021 ATAS. It was great at both road and Hwy. The group had 2 AT’s and 2 T7’s. Both performed very well but the hwy kms to get to/fro the BDR was much better on the AT. The range of the T7’s was a constraint.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
I hear that. If you’re in the middle of nowhere you need more than 16L.
@slogue77
@slogue77 Жыл бұрын
Nice , that was a great comparison. I'm going for the T7, I have WR450 for my series dirt fun... Now what to get an Adventure bike for a little on road to get to cool places ...
@bee_lovin
@bee_lovin 11 ай бұрын
Great comparison on the actual stuff we want to know 😁
@MrBigPipesYT
@MrBigPipesYT Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. I like seeing the T7 compared to every bike out there. I'd still go for a T7 over anything besides a Tuareg 660 at this point. Seems like the new bikes coming out are more of the same and aren't trying to compete with the T7. I've felt like the T7 was special since the press release branded it as a streetable off-road machine with a CP2 engine. It fits my use purpose as an all-rounder and I feel like I made a great choice with owning one. Feels like owning a truck in terms of utility. Comes down to value for me as well. If you put the price difference of the bikes into $4k worth of upgrades on a T7, you could add ~10HP, shave off 20lbs, and upgrade the suspension with a combination of de-cat/slip-on, ECU tune, lithium battery, tail tidy, lighter skid plate. Out of the box, they're both great bikes that are capable beyond my skill level. I prefer lighter/value if given the choice. Picking up 500lbs is a struggle for me and could leave me stranded. 450lbs is really pushing it, 500lbs is trouble, which is why I focused on lightening my T7. Also, the T7 is one of the best sounding bikes I've ever heard. Absolutely wicked sounding blip.
@evelcustom9864
@evelcustom9864 Жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind when comparing price though, there are many more used Africa Twins out there, so though brand new the AT is pricier, you can probably get a used one for the same as or less than a T7
@burkaanc
@burkaanc Жыл бұрын
i have t7, though as a beginner i am curious about dct as shifting gears in gaerne sg12 isnt as easy. and after getting a car with ACC a bit more electronic stuff doesnt seem as bad, better suspension would be a plus, but not a fan of ride modes, simple switchable traction control and switchable abs would be enough.
@Roberta_Esposito
@Roberta_Esposito Жыл бұрын
i have the Crosstourer and VFR1200f both in dct and it will Blow Your Mind . 38 years riding
@JohnSmith-ef8nr
@JohnSmith-ef8nr Жыл бұрын
I find the T7 gearing is better with the 16t front sprocket the mt 07 uses. It still pulls away in second gear ok, plus the sprocket and chain lasts longer.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I'll have to look into that.
@rakeshg9753
@rakeshg9753 4 ай бұрын
well said bro. Its clear crystal and informative with NO BS.
@CheradenineZakalwe
@CheradenineZakalwe Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review, what actually gives info about the riding experience, we can all read the spec sheets
@miclinda256
@miclinda256 2 ай бұрын
Love this! Made my t7 a Africa killer, higher gearing, k- tech suspension 🤑 10 hp more on the rear weel, comfortseat and 10 pounds lighter than stock
@larrytucker1945
@larrytucker1945 Жыл бұрын
Only T7 I’ve seen in person at a dealership sold for $1600 less than a base Africa Twin they had on the floor. It was one of three T7s the dealership had taken delivery of in 2022. All pre-sold.
@vedranresanovic6117
@vedranresanovic6117 6 ай бұрын
Nice comparison.I own 2016 AT for the last 3 years and recently bought new T7 Rally as i tought it's gonna be a good replacement for AT but not even close. Luckily I didn't sold the AT yet. Now Tenere is going for sale
@durtyred86
@durtyred86 Жыл бұрын
Both of these were/are my dream bikes before I made my first purchase. I was a hair trigger away from starting my riding on the AT but backed off from the foolish choice "luckily"... The T-7 wasn't available anywhere, so I figured that was off of the table too....Until I found one by a lucky chance. So now I own the T-7 as my do-it-all bike and plan on buying a cheap, used bike to practice the tougher terrain riding with. One day, I'll have that AT, though. Not sure when as the T-7 covers almost everything, but I'll have it.. With how much I've invested into the T-7, It's not going to be easy parting ways with it for the AT either.... I might just keep both and suffer the overlap, lol..
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've put a lot of money into mine as well. Good idea to get a cheap used dirt bike to practice on first.
@blackbuttecruizr
@blackbuttecruizr Жыл бұрын
Don't know why you don't have 100k subs, your channel is super insightful. I live 30 minutes from the beginning of the Tail of the Dragon, hit me up if you ever come down this way and want a place to crash or a riding buddy.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Awersome, thanks Tom! We're looking to get some income properties by 2026 and Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge is one of the markets we're eyeing. If we get a place there I won't have any trouble finding twisty roads :)
@davidmallia628
@davidmallia628 Жыл бұрын
Pity no Japanese manufacturer targeted to compete with the design philosophy of the T7. Kudos to Aprilia Tuareg 660 for doing that, and beating the T 7 at its own game. And, on its first attempt too!
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a beauty bike.
@jvnvc
@jvnvc Жыл бұрын
I couldn't decide on T7 or Tuareg so bought one of each. I grew up riding YZ250 and IT465 and actually have more fun off road on the T7 even though suspension is better on Tuareg. The T7 just has that Yamaha dirt bike DNA and this is just not debatable.Tuareg is better on highways and twisties. So took Tuareg on cross county trip from DC to Wyoming to do WYBDR..Tuareg broke down in Colorado on the way. No dealership for 500 miles. Brought it home in uhaul, and my dealer took 2 5 months to repair it. Need I say more....I still have both, but don't trust Tuareg for trips more than 500 miles from the house.
@davidmallia628
@davidmallia628 Жыл бұрын
@@jvnvc would love to hear more stories like this, where 1st hand experiences play out.
@Rob-tl9md
@Rob-tl9md Жыл бұрын
@@davidmallia628 4000 miles on my toureg. ZERO issues. Love it.
@davidmallia628
@davidmallia628 Жыл бұрын
@@jvnvc would have been good to hear exactly what went wrong with Tuareg, and why the dealer took so long to fix it. If you kept the Tuareg, it must really be close to your heart, in pure fun factor.
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 7 ай бұрын
It seems like since this the price of the T7 has gone up and the price of the AT has gone down. Base AT is about the same price as top T7 both brandnew.
@nrc658
@nrc658 Жыл бұрын
Por sencillez (electronica la justa), por ligereza y por aspecto, aun gustando bastante la Afria Twin, sin duda alguna me quedo con la Yamaha T7.
@guerricm
@guerricm Жыл бұрын
Hello, it's exactly the comparaison I looked forward to see. I own a T700 and I like the Africa Twin and wonder if I should put a little extra money and get a used one... À suivre Merci
@arcchannel6912
@arcchannel6912 Жыл бұрын
sold my AT and i brought st1200 im super happy with my st1200
@criticalmass181
@criticalmass181 Жыл бұрын
Great, honest video. I think i'll be going with the T7....
@ramondonnavanbelle5055
@ramondonnavanbelle5055 4 ай бұрын
Great review, i appreciate it.keep it up!!
@enriquejaimes3368
@enriquejaimes3368 7 ай бұрын
I own the AT AS, it is great but weight really bothers me when doing heavier offroad. I am thinking of downsizing to the T7… however, I don't want to regret it, specially since I already have a DR650 which is sooo fun and reliable.
@gregktm
@gregktm Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm looking at the T7. I own a Ktm 350 exc-f for serious trail riding and have road bikes for road. Need an in between for adventure but not cross country.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
The T7 is perfect for that.
@queenslander954
@queenslander954 Жыл бұрын
Ridden both , they’re both great but the T700 at 204 Kg is the heaviest you’d ever want for a Adventure bike , you can really feel that extra 40 old KG’s of the Africa Twin.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Agree. I’d love to see Honda or Yamaha come out with a 690 Enduro type ADV bike.
@fionnoc
@fionnoc Жыл бұрын
@@DifferentSpokesTV why do you say the transalp is a road bike? What's it lacking for off-road? Not doubting you just I haven't heard this yet. Fairly disappointing cause I thought it would be a great middleweight ADV bike :(
@pigmeal2224
@pigmeal2224 Жыл бұрын
​@@fionnocI backed out from a near certain purchase because you've gotta damn near strip the thing to access the airbox. Otherwise a very proficient bike that I'd gladly take fire-trailing. I will never own a bike proclaiming off road cred with impossible airbox access.
@halinabiegalski9509
@halinabiegalski9509 Жыл бұрын
Good, interesting, informative comparison 👍
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hijinx4u
@hijinx4u Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a comparasion of the twin and the norden 901 expedition 😮
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
I can try to contact Husky but doubt they have a Canadian press fleet.
@chrischristofis8501
@chrischristofis8501 Жыл бұрын
Husqvarna make lovely sturdy bikes i looked at them cos we have a KTM centre nearby me in the UK but went for a KTM in the end, parts are proper expensive though
@chrischristofis8501
@chrischristofis8501 Жыл бұрын
Oh Husky must be linked to kTM somehow as they are in the same showroom
@edteach3r
@edteach3r Жыл бұрын
Thank you for an insightful video. I am a Yamaha fan and wish we had more T700 models available in Canada. As my wife and I plan to go touring, the Honda seems to be the better option. Thanks, again.
@christophepoteaux3932
@christophepoteaux3932 Жыл бұрын
I think a good comparison would be the 2014-2019 CRF 1000 vs T7. The AT 1000 was more similar to the T7 but had 995cc engine, no electronics, simplier bike. These would be my dilemma if I had to choose.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yes, the older AT was a simpler machine. Still very powerful off road though.
@Roberta_Esposito
@Roberta_Esposito Жыл бұрын
Fantastic review comparison just wondering why it wasn’t the yamaha 1200
@Showmetheevidence-
@Showmetheevidence- Жыл бұрын
I hate videos that don’t make a conclusion. “You’ll be better off with either” is a waste of time. I’m a big boy, I know it’s your opinion… so choose one otherwise the comparison is meaningless.
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
I think adventure bikes weight is way overblown issue. Im riding adv bikes for almost 10 years, and recently got ktm640 adventure as lightweight adv mostly out of curiosity and 30cm suspension. Lets see if that weight diff helps that much! And to be honest i hate it. I hate everything about it. Yes. she can go evverytwhere, its basically enduro with fairing, but thats not what make adv bike an adv bike. Everything besides hardcore offroad capability is absolutely terrible about it. Onroad for anyrthing more than 30minugtes- forget about it! Tbh i never needed to drove my 200kg twin bikes anywhere where they are too heavy. I rode there because i WANTED and wanted a challenge, its fun. But for real adv riding, you dont need 30cm ground clearence and 150kg weight. And single cylinder is just absolute mistake for adv bike. So for me - yes please, comfortable, easy to live with, non vibrating, 200kg twins with good wind protection all day. Too much people confuse adventure riding with enduro.
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
Or in other words: with 200+kg twins you compromise only the most difficult offroad capability but gain so freaking much in every other aspect its just no brainer! ;
@dbbiking5505
@dbbiking5505 Жыл бұрын
Great content thanks so I come from mx background I have 450mx road registered I'm keeping for mx and green lane enduro but I need an adventure bike to go further Touring but want to use off road and enduro I'm stuck between t7 and the African twin what's your thoughts should I try enduro on the African twin
@joespina3019
@joespina3019 Жыл бұрын
Honda NCX 700 125 mph top speed and it gets there pretty quick it is it is strong like it’s not too heavy excellent handling off-road excellent on traffic it’s not too fat is a great bike. 😉👍
@bsmilen2
@bsmilen2 Жыл бұрын
This would be interesting to compare the 1000 africa twin instead of the 1100
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
The 1000 was more of a simple bike like the Tenere. It had squishy forks and weaved slightly in sweepers on pavement. Not a huge deal but annoying.
@michaelmickail1181
@michaelmickail1181 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a good comparison. Would you say the same about 2016 to 2019 Africa Twin ?
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
I actually liked the 2016 for its simplicity. If you have a chance to buy one for a good price go for it. The only thing I found about that bike was overly squishy forks which leads to bit of weaving in fast sweepers on pavement. Some heavier springs might fix that.
@murraehaynes3182
@murraehaynes3182 Жыл бұрын
As usual, nicely done👍🏼
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀 It's tough for us Canadians to keep making vids through the winter.
@Rob-tl9md
@Rob-tl9md Жыл бұрын
I would and have picked a toureg over both.
@Snoozzzzzze
@Snoozzzzzze Жыл бұрын
Other reviewers found that Triumph scrambler to be better off road than the Africa Twin. Maybe compare those some time.
@jackle842000
@jackle842000 Жыл бұрын
What's the most comfortable Enduro for 3 hours of highway you've tried? Not as dumb of a question as a lot of people think because I often need to ride really aggressive dirt trails after traveling a long highway spurt. Not only that but I like to cruise down dirt roads all day long and if it's comfortable on the highway it's going to be more comfortable on a smoother dirt road as well. Happen to have a clue?
@victoriazero8869
@victoriazero8869 Жыл бұрын
Honestly even as Honda and Suzuki fans, it is weird to compare Transalp and DE with Tenere. The former two is clearly a tourer more than anything and that's fine. But as adventurers, they're... far from competitive.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
I think that most riders will not take these bikes for serious off roading and Honda and Suzuki knew it when designing them.
@makina2022
@makina2022 Жыл бұрын
if i want to drive up and explore the isle of skye on and off road, which would be the better choice ?
@kyjelly5524
@kyjelly5524 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a few crotch rockets, dirt bikes and now I have a drz. I plan on keeping the drz but I’m torn in the t7 and AT. The t7 would be cool for longer rides and further distance than the drz. But the AT would be cool for long multi day rides with gear. It’s a hard choice because I want to do long rides but idk how practical that will be realistically. Most of my rides will be local. The drz is great for close stuff and dirt but I want to branch out. The t7 would bridge the gap but the AT would be cool too. It’s a hard choice. I just worry about the t7 on long highway rides. A 700 is pretty small especially if you have luggage or a passenger on high speed roads
@DEZERT-TRAXX
@DEZERT-TRAXX Жыл бұрын
The africa twin is my everything bike. I ride to work daily, I'm departing on a cross country trip next week. But I also use it to ride single track trails following my friends on their 250 2 strokes and 450 thumpers. I haven't come across any trails so far I wouldn't do on my twin and I've been out in the bush. It's spent more time off the ground than what *certain people* say they are meant to do. It's just a big bore dirt bike with plastic bits to make it look smooth. Anyone who says differently haven't seen Kirian Mirabet videos. He's the reason I bought my twin and I ride it the way he does(with a gap in skills of course). Go with the twin, learn the bike and figure out the techniques to ride it like you would your dirt bike and you'll be happy
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
6:20 no, 20kg lighter bike wont be better on twisties just because of that weight difference thats ridiculous statement. On any adv you steer with countersteering, i dont care how much weight is under me ON road
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
actually i even prefer bigger, heavier bikes onroad they feel safer, more stable, more comfortable
@russellborn515
@russellborn515 Жыл бұрын
At 5:10 you mention off-road ABS, and show the new color TFT screen. Does Canada get those? Not available in the US, ABS is on/off only, and we still get the old LCD monochrome screen. Blame Canada!
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
The 2023 model comes with the new stuff. You should start seeing them in the dealers at some point, although Yamaha is infamous for taking their time bringing new bikes to North America.
@russellborn515
@russellborn515 Жыл бұрын
@@DifferentSpokesTV Nope. I bought a brand new 2023 still in the crate two weeks ago, has none of the new stuff. Much to my disappointment.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Hmm, sorry to hear that. Yamaha needs to step it up in North America.
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
TBH im not buying weight argument. T7 is still two cylinder pig so you not gunna do enduro on it. That weight difference won't change where youll get on both bikes on dirt, i can guarantee you that. While AT will be so much better on road trips. AT as a bike makes a lot more sense imo ; I know T7 have lot of fans but lets be real, the main reason is that its relatively cheap compared to competition, and for reasons ;
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
or in other words T7 is just way more compromising bike. AT will get you everytwhere T7 off road and will be so much better onroad ;
@paulvandervyver4223
@paulvandervyver4223 Жыл бұрын
Both great bikes. Not sure I like all the tech on the AT or any other ADV bike for that matter.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yes, but with all that power it's good to have rider modes, especially off road. The T7 doesn't need that stuff.
@CesarRamirez-cn5fw
@CesarRamirez-cn5fw Жыл бұрын
Since you rode both Africa twins , would you say the adventure sports is worth the extra price of the base model?
@thelostgeneration2000
@thelostgeneration2000 Жыл бұрын
Definitivamente 😅
@billmcmeekin7909
@billmcmeekin7909 Жыл бұрын
If your wanting multiple week adventure, putting on big miles some days, remote. Get the adventure sports. We don't run single track on these, so all of us have DCT. Fits all conditions better. City traffic, and slow terrain, won't stall. I have Electric suspension on mine and wouldn't live without it now. Tunes for dirt, gravel or pavement, comfort/ compliance or pillion/gear needs at a push of a button. Incredible!!! 21000km on my 2020 ATASes and Honda reliable. If you can afford, get the suspension and DCT. I'm 6'2 210 and 56 years young. Rode dirt most of my life, and this bike suits me wonderful. Cheers Cesar, happy shopping :⁠-⁠) P.S. get some Mitas E07'S too!
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
The Adventure Sports is the better touring bike with monster range and the electronic suspension is awesome. However, I don't really ride across the continent so I'd save some money on the base model. It's also lighter for off roading.
@veiledallegory
@veiledallegory Жыл бұрын
The AT Adventure Sports does NOT weigh 505 pounds. The standard version does!
@vasilypupkin2107
@vasilypupkin2107 Жыл бұрын
AT is much better - more power and more comfort. T7 looks made from cheap Chinese components : cables are not weather protected and so forth. However, if you drop T7 you will not be crying, just workhorse, thought it's still overpriced.
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
Just some thought on price, very important point though imo ; currently i can get 2016 AT for arouond 40k PLN(9300usd), while cheapest T7 is atleast 50k. so if you dont care about having as young bike as possible for sake of age (like most normal people), technically AT is cheaper. I could potentially afford AT but thats at max of my budget. T7- nope. And thats more way advanced, objectively higher class bike. With that said i MAY be in market for AT, while T7 doesnt interest me at all. Not because its bad, i just cant get it under 40k :) And i do prefer AT anyway but thats besides my point ;
@krissbravo587
@krissbravo587 Жыл бұрын
Dokladnie taka sama logike zastosowalem kupujac za podobne pieniadze moja Afrike dwa mce temu Na razie jestem podjarany jak dziecko z nowej zabawki 😊 Pozdrawiam
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
@@krissbravo587 nice👍 Ja się rozgladam jeszcze miedzy gsem1200 z 13r a afri. Problem z at narazie jest taki ze w calej Polsce jest tylko jedna at obecnie ponizej 40k i to od złodzieja, a ja od zlodziei nie kupuje tylko od motocyklistów:) Jak tam elektronika w at podobno jest upierdliwe wyłącznie abs itd bo sie resetuje przy wyłączonym zapłonie, czy moze już poprawili to
@jetmuchacho
@jetmuchacho Күн бұрын
I think Honda might as well have looked into their crystal ball to the future, and designed a bike that made the T7 irrelevant. If the AT was released a couple years after the T7, the reviewers would have called it the T7 killer! I own both and the Honda is better in every way, even off road. The bikes when released out into the wild are actually very similar overall considering their differences. Both of these bikes feel huge. The T7 is about 50lbs lighter, but feels like it's heavier than the AT because it's center of gravity is way up high. The suspension is stiff in the top of the stroke which makes it nervous, yet it bottoms out like a freight train on every g-out, washout, and kicker when you get a foot or so of air. The AT isn't any better at bottoming resistance, but it's much more compliant and keeps the tires on the dirt. The yamaha is a real handful to ride in technical terrain because of that stiff suspension action, taller seat height, and ridiculous top heaviness. In contrast, the africa twin suspension soaks up the rocks and roots in technical terrain like they're not even there, making it much easier to control, even fully loaded with luggage! The T7 is a well balanced bike in terms of the forks/shock and can be ridden like an absolute goon on fast smooth dirt, but the AT is no slouch here either and has a much more usable suspension everywhere else. Throw a few loose rocks into the mix and the AT becomes far more trustworthy at speed, because it's not bucking and kicking sideways all the time like an MX bike in the woods. As mentioned in this video, they aren't made for hardcore off-roading, but on the "hard adventure" side of things you can get both bikes to all the same places since the size and weight is the limiting factor for both bikes, not one or the other. Skill level is irrelevant here, because that doesn't change when you hop off one bike onto the other. As far as on-road performance goes, there's simply no contest. The AT can be left in 1st gear at green lights in town, while on the T7 you're shifting to third by the time you're leaving the intersection like you're riding a dual sport. Similarly, in the twisties the T7 reminds me of a 125. You're screaming the engine and banging through gears like mad, but you look down and you're not really going very fast lol. On the AT, you can pretty much leave it in 2nd or 3rd and blow by the T7 in those same twisties, while having to let off on the straights to reduce the chances of loosing your license. On the highway the AT can be fully loaded with luggage and still get better fuel economy than the naked T7 at 130-140km/h. I can bang out 1300km days on the AT but it's a struggle to hit 1000km on the T7. The elephant in the room is of course the price difference. The base model AT, here in Canada is about $4500 more than the base T7, and worth every single penny. I'd only buy the base model of each unit. If you're gonna be in remote areas simple is best, and off-road lower is best. For true on and off-road exploring I'd take a 1st gen crf1000l over any of the new stuff. For more road based travel I'd take something bigger. Just my 2 cents.
@toddbrown6261
@toddbrown6261 Жыл бұрын
For $3500 what can I add to the T7 to make it just as good as the AT1K
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
It will never be as powerful as the AT but it’s lighter, so that’s a trade off. Just depends what you do on it. You could upgrade suspension to make the T7 even better off road.
@ThomasAnderson-o5c
@ThomasAnderson-o5c Жыл бұрын
time
@getinthespace7715
@getinthespace7715 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking a tenere 700 is in my future.
@thecornishbiker9323
@thecornishbiker9323 10 ай бұрын
Need a transalp cc bike that looks like that africa twin
@brittennz
@brittennz Жыл бұрын
You can change the rear sproket and mke their geeting similar
@peaceandfood7952
@peaceandfood7952 8 ай бұрын
T7 looks sexy as F but the AT is nice too can't decide 😫😫😫
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 Жыл бұрын
XD From my view,.....they are the same bike. One is just bigger and with more electronics. XD Both look great and get the job done.
@kalaharimine
@kalaharimine Жыл бұрын
If you only had to have one bike in real world, It's the new Transalp for me. Lighter and I expect quicker than both.
@markvaughn8096
@markvaughn8096 Жыл бұрын
I SIMPLY LOVE THE GEOMETRY OF THE ADVENTURE BIKE AND GIVEN MY AGE, ( 66 LAST NOV.) THESE DAYS I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE BASIC A T. BUT DID OWN THE YAHAHA 400 ENDURO 2SMOKE BACK IN THE 70S...... THESE DAYS ID EVEN CONSIDER THE TRANSALP IF HONDA EVER GOT OFF THEIR LAZY BOY RECLINERS AND IMPORTED THEM TO THE US......... HELL WERE LUCK TO EVEN SEE THE TWO NEW 2023 MODELS OF THE A T.... UN LIKE YOU IN THE NORTH COUNTRY..... GRRRRRRR IM READY TO BUY BUT HONDA IS STILL DRAGGING ITS FEET..... BTW YET ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO...... WELL DONE........
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Somehow North Americans are always last to get the shiny new stuff. Good luck with your search. ADV bikes are probably the best do-it-all machines on the market.
@jkmayhem
@jkmayhem Жыл бұрын
The AT is just a way better bike. I got to have a T7 world raid for a whole weekend. I liked the engine. But the rest of the bike was so dissapointing i stil cant get over it. Over hyped bike. Where i live the bike is very expencive. But feels like a bike worth much less. Buttons feel cheap. The KYB suspension is no where near the honda showa suspension. Even road riding felt uncomfortable. Bad seat. I cant remember the last time i was so dissapointed. If i would have to get the T7 to a modded lvl as the honda. It would prob cost the same. And stil have none of the tech the AT has. Non dct version. The world raid is without a doubt not worth it from my experience riding it. My butt is still offended hehe. Sure if you ride 20% road and 80% dirt the T7 standard version is prob worth a look. But i would stil look at something else. Maybe even a tuareg. The most important thing you can do when chosing a bike. Never buy if you can not test it. Never.
@Skiamakhos
@Skiamakhos Жыл бұрын
Don't get the DCT till they fix the low speed clutch burnout issue. Tell Honda you won't buy till their dct clutch is safe to practise moto-gymkhana skills
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip.
@Thejumelot
@Thejumelot Жыл бұрын
I had the T7 Rallye for a year. After 12,000km, I can say that: too heavy and high for enduro (I'm 189 cm so not short). Terrible on road (not enough power, revs high, drinks heavily). Changed for the ATAS and it's a whole different universe. It's superb on road, feels like on a cloud - much more power, better seat, better wind protection, nice information on the dash, actually reliable fuel gauge, much better range (I did 600 km on 1 tank!, try that with the T7), cruise control, etc., etc., etc. Yes, it's heavier on the scale BUT, the center of gravity is much lower and I find the bike way more balanced than the T7. Of course, on gravel trails or dirt tracks, you have to watch your curve speed, brake a bit earlier, etc. but when you go slowly (trial - like), I feel as good on the AT as on the T7. Quality wise, it simply is 2 different universes, not to mention the ease of maintenance, where the ATAS is wayyy superior (just removing and replacing the bash plate on the T7 was such a pain and the ATAS is such a Honda breeze).
@scardaoni1
@scardaoni1 Жыл бұрын
Love the simplicity of the Yamaha T7 🙏🇨🇦 the rest of the bike company seem to think they have to have all the electronic mumbo-jumbo to rival BMW🤢 it's adventure riding, not MotoGP🤪🤬🤪🤬🤪🤣🇨🇦
@andrejpetrovic3253
@andrejpetrovic3253 5 ай бұрын
Love both
@KLRmurdercycle
@KLRmurdercycle Жыл бұрын
Rode the 1000 twin a few times only sat on the T7 last week. Definitely the twin is a cross country bike and depending on your skill is one of the good big bike for technical stuff. Um I recognize Gorman lake at 2:57👍 How local are you? Letterkenny is fun eh
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 Жыл бұрын
Bikes are cool!👍🏽
@luuk341
@luuk341 Жыл бұрын
I agree completely!
@carl9531
@carl9531 Жыл бұрын
It's a motorcycle not a tablet, stick with old vstrom.
@SgtElev3n
@SgtElev3n Жыл бұрын
ok grandpa
@carl9531
@carl9531 Жыл бұрын
@@SgtElev3n For clowns who don't know how to ride.
@markkane3989
@markkane3989 Жыл бұрын
i really enjoy my t7!
@screddot7074
@screddot7074 Жыл бұрын
It's nice to have options. Now if I just had money. Good you're spending yours so we don't have to.
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Ha, ha! I'm trying to save as much as possible. That's why I ride a T7.
@Angry-Lynx
@Angry-Lynx Жыл бұрын
theres no replacement for..... 1liter displacement :))
@Beinhartwie1chopper
@Beinhartwie1chopper Ай бұрын
Sehr gut!
@Ryan-rn8gk
@Ryan-rn8gk Жыл бұрын
Wish I could find a new T7
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
Yes, finding one nearby may be difficult. You may want to look online and take a longer trip or order one and hope it gets there soon. I waited for mine for 4-5 months.
@ΑστεριοςΝατσιος
@ΑστεριοςΝατσιος Жыл бұрын
those are the sexiest ladies around.. my father owns a 2018 anniversary dct Africa.
@shurhongukire4306
@shurhongukire4306 Жыл бұрын
Please give the weights in KG . Not everyone is American We don't Understand in pound
@HB.06
@HB.06 9 ай бұрын
I am happy with my world raid ✌️
@miketran4289
@miketran4289 Жыл бұрын
So.. this video tells me to buy a Grom and put some Kendra nobbies on them.. got it.
@RockstarVeganRecipes
@RockstarVeganRecipes Жыл бұрын
Tenere 700 all the way. ;)
@DifferentSpokesTV
@DifferentSpokesTV Жыл бұрын
They have a lowered model :)
@dillonrobinson8468
@dillonrobinson8468 Жыл бұрын
The tenere, are better off road .
@fozrick
@fozrick Жыл бұрын
👍
@Hondeer
@Hondeer Жыл бұрын
These bikes have more electronic do dads and modes than the wife's bedroom buddy when I'm out riding. I'll stick with the KLR, you can toss it in the bushes and not care and less Murphy or his kids to say hello IMO. That said, if any weekend warriors that went back to Bronco Sports want to sell theirs to me, I won't say no. I'll make her a dirty girl.
@nguyenhoangson5619
@nguyenhoangson5619 Жыл бұрын
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