Yanis Varoufakis, Ann Pettifor and Noam Chomsky: A green future beyond capitalism

"There is no alternative", "it's the end of history" in the shadow of the 2008 crash, the environmental crisis and ongoing COVID19 pandemic, never has the hubris of these words been more striking. Nevertheless if we are in fact at the end of an era, what comes next?
Join us in uncovering the exciting possibilities that the future can hold with public intellectual Noam Chomsky and economists Ann Pettifor and Yanis Varoufakis.
SUPPORT US
---------------------
Join DiEM25: diem25.org/join​
Donate to DiEM25: diem25.org/donate
Subscribe: / diem25official
#COP26 #noamchomsky #yanisvaroufakis

[@elsiepfeiffer1395]

We’ve bought into the idea that education is about training and “success”, defined monetarily, rather than learning to think critically and to challenge. We should not forget that the true purpose of education is to make minds, not careers. A culture that does not grasp the vital interplay between morality and power, which mistakes management techniques for wisdom, which fails to understand that the measure of a civilization is its compassion, not its speed or ability to consume, condemns itself to death. ~ _Chris Hedges, Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle_

[@Kiyarose3999]

Education teaches what to learn, not how to learn, which diminishes people’s ability to work things out for themselves. Causes a lack of common sense( in my experience) which is needed to be radically critical of Authority, Society etc

[@joelwest5396]

Check out the People's Party.

[@peterlyov3445]

Listening to Noam Chomsky is extremely sobering. It's a tragedy that he isn't on mainstream media more talking to the masses

[@umalaurenbowman7276]

With our present situation, I've noticed Noam Chomsky has been doing many interviews and offering guidance, which is great for us, it's always a pleasure and a privilege to hear him talk about events happening right now. What's crazy is that even now he is still "banned" from mainstream media.

[@topmushroomirishgirl]

He is not banned from youtube....means he works for agenda pushers....

[@JeepCherokeeful]

@@topmushroomirishgirl exactly, furthering the division works in favor of the almighty state. Double useful idiot!

[@glebkoshelev]

nice to see that Dumbledore and Voldemort are getting along these days

[@charlottemarceau8062]

Hahaha

[@aviksblog8145]

Lmao

[@8inchesby1point5]

Could you explain the reference, ( to Potter I ) believe

[@tgnmekkkkfg3310]

I died 🤣🤣🤣

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

pasha - No happier scenario! 🙂

[@mnddcmpnn]

Professor Chomsky is a brilliant mind and a tribute to humankind.

[@Camcolito]

He used to be, now he's just old and bitter and has no solutions.

[@DownMichael]

It is sad that most of us cannot have a conversation like this with our friends. Because most of them require a lengthy education they don't want to have before they can understand the ideas expressed here.

[@oswarz]

I've got friends like that too.

[@jimbob-robob]

We need to learn something also: find the humility to be able to "dumb down better" as easily and sublimely as the right do with its philosophies if you can call them that...

[@garabato21]

I know how you feel. This reminds me of the saying that you don't truly understand something until you can explain it to a young person. Sometimes, maybe, that saying doesn't fit.

[@maximal1374]

Thank you so much, all of you! It takes so much courage to stand tall against all that depression in the world and you (and of course many others also) and all your efforts keeping my hopes up that we will see a better world one day! :) Thank you for sharing your experience with us!

[@littlesigh]

Sad this had to end. Absolutley one of the best discussions of 2021. Thanks for posting!

[@rosanalucas5047]

Commenting from Brazil, I got hope back and more clarity as to how to improve work for the benefit of coming generations. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.

[@nightoftheworld]

47:47 *Neiloberalism in a nutshell* _”Marx described it, Thatcher was paraphrasing him probably unwittingly when she said that: I’m going to condemn the autocratic governments of the 19th century for wanting to turn people into a sack of potatoes; isolated, atomized individuals who cannot fight back against the attempt to turn them into virtual slaves-that’s basically neoliberalism, a form of class war which is quite old. It takes new forms and at every point (including property rights as you mentioned-a crucial point) the struggle can go on to take this away._ _There’s no reason why Bill Gates should be a multi-millionaire because he has monopoly pricing rights over Windows say, or that big pharma should be able to charge 10x the price of a drug because they have property rights granted to them or why Apple corporation can become very rich by rent, by using its property rights while somebody else does the work-these are not laws of nature. These are structures designed and imposed by the very wealthy, the corporate sector for their own interests and that has to be dismantled from top to bottom.”_

[@pamelajoy6037]

@Pink Alien we must be very clever and brave.

[@harryd5893]

Dismantle it, just the way so many other patriarchichal structures of the yore have been dismantled - by raising the consciousnes, understanding, awareness. As Chomsky always reminds that it is just below the surface of our collective consciousnes, one little scratch and it is going come pouring out. And the Elite knows it, that's why they never relent in their vicious class war.

[@pamelajoy6037]

@@harryd5893 Yes. I appreciate that I am not the only one who gets it. Sometimes it seems that way. That’s why I get much nourishment from Yanis & Noam. We shall keep on, I will do what I can in my life and work to continue to raise the consciousness , along with my own.

[@Stret173]

"these are not laws of nature" i almost cried

[@thegoodthebadandtheugly579]

You do realise that if you dismantle Facebook and put it into public ownership it will degrade and become obsolete in 5-10 years? As much as I am against monopolies, I am also not convinced the government is the answer.. unfortunately governments are even a greater mess than private businesses are. At least in a business you have responsibility and accountability (the owner is the responsible and accountable and they apply their coercion from that role). In the public sector there is no ownership and there is no clear hierarchy. Everyone is fighting everyone for every little power and resource in the public sector. Trust me, I’ve worked in the public sector (a local council) and it is a fucking mess, I’ve never seen anything like it in the private sector. And nothing like that would survive in the private sector, they would lose all of their clients, all of their money and all of their resource. So, yeah, of course no one should have as much power as Facebook or KZbin have.. but what is the solution? Is it as easy as “dismantle”? Or transfer to the public sector? Well, unfortunately probably not. The smartest thing is to let every party play out their strengths and their function. Let Facebook do what Facebook does the best (make money, improve their platform, use the profit to invest into the next conducive and solicitous project), but also let government do what it does the best (regulate, tax, redistribute).

[@alanmillington942]

Brilliant!! Thank you all very much!! Everybody should see this!

[@moh3885]

Education. We have, globally, been steered away from the basic foundations of human behaviour. We allowed the ‘elites’ to bully us into ignorance. Religion has a lot to answer for! Equality, is the path!

[@abrokenlife]

Preach

[@roxannamarinak3156]

Thank You to All 3 . This was so good and informative. it gives me hope. Blessings to you all. ...keep us informed

[@stevenberge4238]

We need to regulate capital flow so nobody has so much wealth they can significantly influence policy. That's the root of the problem.

[@joelwest5396]

Structural change is needed or the Overlords just go back to choking us.

[@YoutubeUser-ht9sy]

@no info the powerful decisions of society since 2008 are made by the big corporations. these multinationals have this power through the nature of capitlaism and exponenetial wealth accumulation and savings. So yes capitlaism is the problem and there are better systems

[@YoutubeUser-ht9sy]

@no info the romans and ancient greek werent capitalist and they gave us some of the most evolutionary systems that we currently use. "people in power" is a very loose term. People in power who have no accoutnability for their actions of course fuck around with people e.g. short term oriented exterior shareholders of a firm. Then take a solely employee owned firm for example, the employees each have power by having voting rights. But they dont "fuck around with people" because by doing so would negatively impact their own financial health. Its hard to develop an arguement agaist your statement that "People in power always have control and ability to fuck around with people, no matter the system" because its laughably vague. Socialism is in practice for example through the European public healthcare system. That is a socialist policy. Excusing the inequality that capitalism breeds by using the idiotic arguement that "well humans are inherently bad so it doesnt matter what system we use" is such a half ass lazy take. Capitalism allows the wealthy to get wealthier and create intergenerational weath which results in an exponentially growing divide between those who have the means to accumulate wealth and those who dont. i.e. shareholders versus the masses

[@oswarz]

@no info Power seems to come with capital accumulation. So yes, capitalism IS the problem.

[@fundonordestesolidario2358]

Loved the video, very good and provocative analysis. However, I was put off by the term “rural idiocy” used by Yanis at one point in the discussion. Some of the most profound changes that need to happen to put in place the new economic system we are aspiring to are in agriculture, in the way we produce, distribute and consume food. In my work of almost 20 years with small farmers’ associations and cooperatives in one of the poorest regions of Brazil I have learned that these farmers are extremely intelligent, innovative and resourceful. With some modest but consistent investment, training and organizing over a 10-15 years period, we were able to build a small island of grassroots democratic socialism in one of the poorest and remotest areas of rural Brazil

[@joelwest5396]

I love that what you said exists. I would like to learn more about these rural places in Brazil. Most rural places in the US contain people who find virtue in working themselves and others to death, most favor toxic chemicals and practices that kill the life of the soil. I would love to see this change. Please allow me to stay informed of your successes so that I can tell others here as well.

[@Wraithing]

Yanis is a flippin' hero! Keep speaking truth to power and helping the poor to understand they can be loved, valued and live together in dignity - without the leaches!!

[@williams.1980]

great conversation and conversation starter.

[@nicholasdawn9940]

Aluta continua, comrades! Many thanks to DiEM25, and its growing community. Let's live long and prosper!

[@pamelajoy6037]

Thank-you for this. Let us keep on working this through and living by creating the change that we must in order to bring us back to a sustainable planet. A Global community of mutual respect, integrity and prosperity that thrives for All! 💚

[@cavedahonesty105]

Yes. Like Gandhi said: "Be the change you want the world to be."

[@johnmoorhouse1455]

What might be conception of "sustainability"?

[@pamelajoy6037]

@@johnmoorhouse1455 The Green New Deal & Build Back Better, before the neoliberals slashed it down, to start.

[@pamelajoy6037]

@@johnmoorhouse1455 The Green New Deal & Build Back Better, before it got slashed down by the neoliberals, to start.

[@johnmoorhouse1455]

@@pamelajoy6037 Appreciate your optimism, but Anthropocentrism does not allow for sustainability . There simply is no "Sustainable Development" With 8 billion Humans inhabitants . The damage is Done .We are in ecological overshoot . which is irreversible, and climate change is but a symptom . Nothing but a radical paradigm shift will solve any of our PREDICAMENTS. Been through denial and extreme anger myself , but now at acceptance stage.

[@johnmcgrath3480]

Noam switches between Roosevelt era social democracy to mid 19th century anarchist radicalism, casually, effortlessly. I think he’s right to do so. There is a time clock to climate catastrophe so it makes sense to transform energy production and the economy with institutions we have while dismantling capitalism and private property rights in stages… but also simultaneously

[@johnmoorhouse1455]

Chomsky's still in denial.. " still hope". The early 70's was the time to have acted, Our PREDICAMENTS are beyond climate Data. With The Great acceleration now in free fall, i.e Tipping points done and dusted. Ecological Overshoot/ collapse is baked in... And climate change is but a mere symptom of a species Incapable of restraint.

[@ince55ant]

@@johnmoorhouse1455 it really feels like any fights in the future will be both bloody and futile. the future climate policy can be seen at the american southern border and the people being left to drown in europe

[@manlikeJoe1010]

"Dismantling capitalism and private property rights in stages"- A ridiculous comment made on a smartphone made possible by the miracle of consumer capitalism. Lol you people are a joke.

[@joelwest5396]

@@ince55ant Eat the billionaires first

[@joelwest5396]

@@ince55ant Eat the billionaires first

[@ahagamama]

Oh My!!! I love all three of these wise elders, so much!!! A huge breath of fresh air to hear and see you!!! Please keep this going for all our sakes!

[@Bilangumus]

Chomsky sais that unvaccinated people should be isolated and take care of their food. How is that wise ? Look it up, he said it 2ans weeks ago.

[@manlikeJoe1010]

Wise elders? Chomsky would do well to stay in his own lane of linguistics. As for economics or political science, he has already embarrassed himself enough in the past with his 'anarcho-syndicalist' nonsense.

[@joelwest5396]

I agree. These are wonderful, moral people, unlike right-winger fascist scum.

[@manlikeJoe1010]

@@joelwest5396 Is a 'fascist' simply defined as anyone who is conservative and/or anyone who disagrees with you?

[@thinkfloyd2594]

Why would you love Chomsky? I am covid recovered. Chomsky says I don't deserve access to food. You respect a bigot like that? For shame!

[@kylieisola4735]

I fall in love with Noam a little more every time I hear him speak. The sexiest man alive. …..a voice of clarity and truth that needs to be heard to save humanity.

[@christopherward5065]

Fascinating and insightful arguments! Thankyou!

[@mattski1979]

Please so this again. All three of you. Thank you very much.

[@doriswrencheisler4386]

This panel is describing a situation every non-comatose person knows about, either directly or indirectly., and Big Power, knows it better than anyone. I live in a reputedly advanced country, Canada, and during the last census in which I was forced under penalty of law to participate in, I was asked my age, the size of my house, number of rooms, number of occupants, and whether my husband or I had problems going up or down the stairs! Now, call me paranoid, but this seemed a little Orwellian to me. Especially as thousands upon thousands of those advanced in age - but still human, had died horrible deaths in highly profitable, privatized "Care Homes": were they looking for new investments in a whole new set of victims? Governments have pension money invested in these houses of horror. The situation is beyond reasoning with. We need action, and we need it now.

[@keithgibbins5728]

You are forced by law to complete the census but not obliged to tell the truth

[@jimbob-robob]

A responsible Govt needs to know certain things to be able to budget and provide (or eliminate) their services or make strategies as they see fit (or can get away with if Right Wing). But we have to do a census primarily in good faith to help the nation. Yes we have to be careful of how info is used but right now corporations are the true bad guys on using collected data not democratic govt...you only have to think of how awful to independent media and subservient to legacy MSM the KZbin algorithm is...

[@nonewhatsoever]

Amazing program! Hour most well spent.

[@jessicafalstein]

thanks so much for this upload.

[@DiEM25official]

#CopOff isn't over: let's talk about solutions! Whether you're a DiEM25 member or not, you can join us between November 17th and November 20th for online discussions on how to take what we learned and use it to move DiEM25 forward. Register now: i.diem25.org/en/events/1698 i.diem25.org/en/events/1701 i.diem25.org/en/events/1699 i.diem25.org/en/events/1700

[@Shieete168]

WOW , what a Table of wisdom 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@georgeloizou1090]

Very enjoyable and illuminating discussion….thank you

[@cvetannikolov2823]

Great Language Master Great

[@hamfranky]

I find it very disturbing that what Noam is talking about at the end here, how by witholding the right to produce vaccines the pandemic is made more lengthy and more dangerous, is so little discussed in the media. This seems to me the most important (self-imposed) problem in eradicating this problem. Why isn't everybody talking about this?

[@marktomasetti8642]

Because the media is owned by corporations, like big pharma. Discussing the most rational course of action threatens profits.

[@PhilipRhoadesP]

A really great podcast - such a great trio of brains and rational thoughts and discussions - and still Noam remains more optimistic than I am about our future . .

[@akarsh429]

Thanks for the very relevant & insightful talks

[@isadean]

Please consider providing a summary of points in the description

Thank you very much! I hope people will listen closely.

[@theodoretsaousidis8722]

3 heroes of this pain world

[@ewamaydell1659]

Thank you. You gave me some hope for the world stopping before the cliff edge.

[@paulvallance4347]

Thank you. great discussion.

[@joannelavos2264]

Thank you so much for talks like this.

[@martincotterill823]

I'm sharpening my pitchfork!

[@MegaKerrigan]

Two absolute legends!🛠

[@yogi4lyfe]

Thank you!

[@MarkDemarest]

“It teaches us, or reinforces, a lesson we already knew: The only way anything is going to change - the only chance for humanity (to borrow their phrase) is for massive, organized, popular action and opposition. ...The important part of COP26 was what was happening in the streets. That: The hope for humanity. And unless many more people become involved and more deeply engaged, that hope may vanish.” --Noam Chomsky #ominous #MOTIVATING #CarpeDiem #CarpeDiem25!

[@EvanWells1]

51:05 Ann - but the state *does not* rely on tax revenues of the populace. It does, to the extent that the state is allowing the civil society (or order) to fail as each atom of the collective of citizen security dwindles, but outside of this, it does not care, any more than it cares about climate change. Rather, the endurance of those who are already atomized is already compromised, the state instead relies on its reserve currency status to manufacture new money, per what we already know about MMT. It is not about taxation. It is about the longevity of organizations to withstand their own rapaciousness, and about that longevity occupying a less enduring cycle than its actual consequences (as in: each executives interest lasts for their lifespan, which lifespan is shorter than societies, insofar as society has a mandate for continuing its own subsequent generations) .

[@macelharen]

she's very combative, i couldn't get past the half hour mark as her Ego took over and what i hoped for a flowing conversation got stalled. And THAT is saying alot since the master of long winded tangents was sitting right there in the bottom of the screen. lol Yanis was mansplaining alot without giving her the intellectual space to continue in the 'i'm next' category for speaking, but honestly she was pure cliche and meaningless talking points (bretton woods, name dropping yadda yadda)

[@koroglurustem1722]

Let's name it properly: intellectual property rights, not just any property like land or homes. We peasants cannot give up private property rights. Give it up to who? Government ? Which government ? Chinese government or soviets or who? Private property is the guarantee of our freedoms. Let's make it clear.

[@juligrlee556]

We don't have to talk about worker's rights anymore. All our products come from Vietnam, China and the people of the world who work for starvation wages.

[@answersquestioned]

While outside Sauron’s evil forces are gathering under a darkening sky Strider, Gandalf and Galadriel are meeting in deep secret….

[@ParanoidFactoid]

Most human beings live along the coastlines of the world. Just one outcome of climate change is rising sea levels which threaten to permanently flood coastal regions where people live.There are properties and infrastructure worth hundreds - perhaps thousands - of trillions of adjusted dollars at risk of total destruction. Never mind the lost farmland and costs to agribusiness and all the people who like to eat regularly. Yet the world's politicians would ignore the loss of all that developed property and the interests of its owners so a few global oil oligarchs could get theirs. How does this work!?!

[@fisherfriendman]

If you look at people putting bets in the stock markets against future positions, and also the futures market, it is all a fictional construct where people reap millions, even when there are real losses to producers should that future position come to pass. The financial markets have already taken off to a different "reality". The GFC should be a wake-up call for all.

[@sgturner59]

Thanks for this.

[@reggiebald2830]

3 of my favorite people! "The state is more criminal, than the criminal gangs in the favelas." Thank you for this 60 minutes!

[@joelwest5396]

It became much worse under right-wingers

[@worldofknowledge5962]

There is no alternative of the closure of our so called civilization and return of solitary livelihood. In this regard we need a guideline for the transition.

[@thetortureneverstops]

I never heard of this group until just today. Where are you spreading the reaching out? I get emails every week fm anti-war groups I never subscribed to, but I do hear from them.

[@danpoynton]

Inspiring talk. I would love to see more clarification on how Diem25 et al differentiate between their vision of a future beyond capitalism and Communism per se. Some of the statements seemed straight out of the Marx/Trotsky playbook, which can make one nervous.

[@kathleenshannon8284]

what are the benefits of a systems change for the super rich and corporations?

[@doriswrencheisler4386]

This is a very different and much more complicated world situation than anything that has existed before: the "haves" and powerful have a greater share of wealth, technology, organization, and even an almost complete monopoly of propaganda on their side. The advantage of their superior numbers is a disadvantage to the working classes because it makes them expendable in an offshore, globalized economy. One possible way might be non-participation : make-do, don't buy, recycle as much as possible, grow your own food and barter, and communicate and encourage each other in this endeavour. Less profit for big Corps, or (corpse), and less fossil fuel energy expenditure

[@ZaZen___]

I think we are starting to see signs of this, and I work part-time and keep my expenses low and freedom high (I also have some privileges I'm not blind to), but non-participation is gonna be the way to go. China they call it "lying flat"

[@fabianafalduto4821]

Thank you. Does already exist a traduction in Italian ?

[@mancavestudios8955]

I've heard that you can judge the power level of an intellectual by the amount of books they keep on the bookshelf behind them

[@stevessoony2010]

Thanks guy brilliant 👏🏿

[@clumsydad7158]

hope, and generational change ... system change ... decentralize, one world

[@denisloukeris2523]

I love you guys but in order to create change have to simplify the language so the common non intellectual person could relate .This is well I would do it 1)tell the public the earth is like your home we need to clean first priority 2)profits of multinational coperstions will be the last priority 3)eliminate stock market it is like gambling that is controlled by the rich just like the house casino 3)next all human beings Medicare this self explanatory 4)wages rise so people can live in dignity)next yhis is important you give coperations a choice pay a tax rate of 80 percent or the government nationalize their assets 5)milatary slashed to 20 percent of current level all defensive and more training in civil assistance for climate disasters etc only peaceful.I think you understand my point simple point form people understand this form easier.SImilar like the protestant reformation point form.

[@srikargottipati]

Thanks for briinging up Linux into this discussion.

[@nightoftheworld]

DiEM. What are your thoughts about Donut economics? Is it just a circular economy ideology with green values? Wonder if the donut could help deal with ownership/bargaining problems..

[@BRIANJAMESGIBB]

...please expand upon your thought

[@nightoftheworld]

@@BRIANJAMESGIBB well to me the donut is a good pictorial representation of what we ought to be committed to: _living sustainably, in balance with our world by reducing, reusing, recycling, ideally in a closed loop fashion._ The standard progressive wishlist.. My concern is that it’s just too naive, that it is too easy going on the historical abuses/crimes of capitalist enterprising/modern tech-feudalism. I think it ought to directly highlight the externalities of the collective bargaining problem, the problem of non-accountable corporate owner power into its model and make that more of the central argument. The “green zone” of the donut ring should not only talk directly about the virtue of inclusion/health blah blah-but also the virtue of excluding failed trickle-up ideologies like “shareholder primacy” (as shareholders are statistically and overwhelmingly not workers). To me this is where the donut is lacking-not that we can’t be positive, but that there should be a zero tolerance policy for any ideology advocating markets which are controlled almost solely by the 1%. Can a market which only has 10% worker representation really be said to be free? The US market is _clearly_ not guided by the people who produce it, but the handful of C-suite bosses/boards who own it. The donut should be used to speak out against this perversion of principle.

[@13strandquistc]

@@nightoftheworld I think your right on the money there. When I read Donut economics, all I could think about was how naive it sounds past the basic idea. Idealizing our needs and the needs of the planet as 2 boundaries is a great idea, but past that we can't actually use the donut in day to day decision making. There are way too many books with this exact same premise. Which is, "I want to solve all my problems once again with capitalism, but this time with a smile".

[@lostsoul2184]

Being big fan of Gandalf since the 90s

[@nightoftheworld]

39:36 corporations on that public welfare again... some other good open source softwares: VLC media viewer and Blender for editing/3D animation/3D printing..

[@mourdebars]

Well, I used always think about my deeds as somehow pointless. It's bitter, but never gave up for real, and taking climate crisis - we can not as a caring people

[@chriszerdzinski]

More please

[@cvetannikolov2823]

Love you Noa

[@sheiladenton143]

Hallelujah

[@oxherder9061]

excellent

[@theamazingbrokenman]

Is this a board meeting at Hogarts?

[@anthonywaterhousr4198]

As an interim strategy cannot open source software not be held in ownership by cooperative common wealth trusts registered in various countries , with the right to charge those who seek to privatise/enclose benefits to themselves. These trusts can have the right waive any charges to those who work for the common benefit. Perhaps these instruments already exist in some form. DiEM might think of having branches that develop democratic enterprises that can function within the world as it is, as pioneering stepping stones to something different. Much can be learned from past mistakes and hopefully can evolve beyond being utopian.

[@simonebrady05]

💚

[@enricogallegos9402]

COP26 will get my trust when I see them inviting and taking into account the presence and opinion of the indigenous and native original and traditional caretakers of the planet. Til now it's the usual bla bla expecting money to save the day when in reality the love of money is the main factor nothing happens and the Earth is being killed and plundered.

[@timemmafield]

Yanis in regards to who will own Facebook. There is a precedent for this, which is working fantastically that is open source software, who owns Linux?

[@timemmafield]

Lol I posted that two minutes before you started talking about it. You're into it

[@Christopher_Bachm]

To win this fight, better public relations might help... Beyond capitalism sounds like anarchy and chaos to the establishment.

[@Christopher_Bachm]

@@jimbodriver1015 I see... You suggest being stupid about it. Clever...

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Gandalf the grey indeed...

[@juliotoru]

Capital isn't nationalistic, why should we be ?

[@staninjapan07]

Perhaps capital should be?

[@falls2shine712]

Yanis, when you mentioned property rights, for a minute, I had thought you were about to blow the whole thing open... Is it not the case, that our surnames are intellectual property of the authority it is registered with; and that, if we attach our corpse in mind or action to such property, we have become defacto slaves? The reason I cannot move from commercial slavery to commercial freedom, is that I am forced to be paid in fiat through my surname, which is the governments property, whereby they take a cut, and force me to use the financial and monetary systems they choose for me, in order to survive. If I begin to make efforts to sustain my life outside of that commercial system, I may not be able to buy food or supplies; and certainly would have trouble finding an employer, or customers for a business that does not use fiat. What chance is there, that I can get an allodial title on the land I was born? Even the spell checker here doesn't recognize that word Hahahaha! The fact is that while we have no choice but to live in OZ(Wizard of OZ), we will always be slaves. Asking for people like Bezos to be restricted is like one prisoner giving out to the guards, because another prisoner found a way through the Bar, to take a vacation from their cell. Instead of forcing billionaires to be restricted, how about unrestricting us poor sods! The reason I can't start a business is because of government interference and bureaucracy.

[@falls2shine712]

Side question... My birth cert doesn't actually have a surname. Just first name and Christian name. Does that mean, I could in theory try to get an employer to pay my Christian name instead, and I would just owe taxes to the Church or whoever that name is registered to? That one probably belongs to the government as well.... I suppose property can be given or sold. My names could belong to anyone by now.

[@BolasDaGrk]

It is so sad the the intellectual elite are currently (in this system) not the voices heard by the majority. It is the financial elite, which is not an authority in human benefit or reasonability at all. One thing Ann Pettifor mentioned 38:38, which was great, was to transform international benefits from 1% Masters to the 99% laborers to benefit. The truth is, in the bigger picture 100% of the world will benefit from switching to labor focus because it wouldn't force everyone to self destruct for the sake of a few people's OCD to maintain their addiction to money and power. We usually, in societies, lock people up who have mental illnesses that are harmful to themselves and others. The problem is that this is the dangling carrot in the rat race everyone has bought into in the modern zeitgeist, so it is hard for people to look down on this and want to penalize it, given it is the illusion of success.

[@Kiyarose3999]

No mention of the unsustainable linear growth economy, that we need to replace it with a ( Decentralised, Cyclic/Regenerative) Steady State Economy.

[@daaronk]

when they talk of systemic change they are implicitly talking about something like that i think . But true, that is my quibble with a lot of left marxists . They would do well reading Anders/Meadows work in Limits to Growth and incorporate the ideas into their proposals unequivocally . i am onboard with a lot of their work (Maxi Nieto, Cockshott etc) but they are still not fully incorporating those studies into concrete ideas

[@Kiyarose3999]

@@daaronk Yes, whatever economic system people talk about( Doughnut Economics etc) I think it has to be stated unequivocally. Whether it is a Steady State Economy, if that isn’t stated then I assume it’s a growth economic system. They would do well to read Small is Beautiful, Green Economics, ‘even’ News From Nowhere’( William Morris). They are stuck in outdated politics and economics.

[@Kiyarose3999]

@@daaronk Although I have to say I didn’t watch all the vid, I found it too long winded and boring, perhaps I’ll try again to watch it all.

[@daaronk]

@@Kiyarose3999 i have liked Varoufakis´ books but not so much the vids i have to say . its like the communication is not to fluent and they get bogged down in moral platitudes (so typical of noam) . But i have learned a bunch of good stuff from the book . I think i wont forget that Paul Volcker quote where they were pursuing "the controlled disintegration of the world economy" . The vids are better when he´s with Zizek . The latest was very informative .

[@daaronk]

@@Kiyarose3999 I mentioned the Limitis to Growth work because it was a scientific study that is updated every few years so no one can accuse you of being ideological . Btw the latest update of the study states that the original of 1972 was approximately correct and that we are on track for one of the scenarios described . That all these pundits ignore Limits is a bit of a letdown . I guess most want the limelight for themselves and don´t wanna share it

[@restonthewind]

The proprietors of a resource are the people who routinely interact with it. Who owns Facebook? With no intellectual property, no owns the software, but some people are better able than others to maintain and extend it. Other people own web servers and network equipment. These people reach agreements.

[@thosethatcan]

12:00 *?

[@danebarisic1061]

Hello thanks smart talk the world is in The Great Global Chance. I would love to talk with such speakers thinkers to help improve the change of the earth. The world is changing... The world may be already a new one world of what world was somewhere in past. We people must better ourselves and so others and the interactions what will change the world. Greetings. Communication is the basic key.

[@shaileshdave3112]

exploitation of the can be eliminated not by removing a few rich persons, but by making the poor aware and thus non cooperate with the exploiters. it will make the both aware to be equal partners capital is not evil, it is the wrong use of it that is evil. -- gandhi in 1940s. the unreported news was that gandhi was killed with the blessing of the rich supported politicians to not let that awareness spread to become reality. .

[@cvetannikolov2823]

Pulling us from the flooding of far north.....

[@thosethatcan]

7:30 * TRUTH

[@thosethatcan]

44:00 *

[@stephenhall11]

It confounds me how our civilization fails to confront the climate crisis when we are in possession of the requisite technology to create a sustainable civilization on planet earth.The stumbling block is the existence of a Frankstein economic system that has dispensed with all rationality and ethical responsibility. I am glad I was born shortly after WW 2. If I was a Millennial I would probably be on opiates because the future is looking bleaker and bleaker. Cop 26 was the turning point where the government's consciously choose exinction if the only know life in the Universe. Insanity.

[@Nine-Signs]

How does it confound you that we can solve climate change and ecological collapse or continue with capitalism, not both. Our governments have chosen the latter route, and trying to use technology to make a perpetual growth consumption based socioeconomic system compatible with the immutable physics of a finite world showing on their part a pathetically woeful understanding of basic physics, is monumentally stupid. The laws of thermodynamics are very clear on why in a closed system such as earth, it is a catastrophic idea to use the machine that makes the mess to create machines to clean up that mess. Trying to use technology to make capitalism compatible with the physics required for humanity to have a viable future, is akin to putting your best footwear on to help you run up a near vertical landslide. Nature will bury you eventually.

[@robertcox14]

Could we use UN to organize international labor?

[@thosethatcan]

36:27 *

[@paulwheeler6609]

You cannot have convenience without fossil fuels. When this generation shows a willingness to abandon convenience in a real sense, there may be hope. Use candles and ride a horse. Grow your own food. If not, it's all talk.

[@luisaarevalo3784]

The world has been dominated for thousands of years by the so-called interests of those who would own it. Against the inherent tyranny of such interests, humankind has struggled mightily yet blindly for its emancipation, causing a simulacrum of history and progress while keeping itself fundamentally captive to those metamorphic interests. It is an information advantage that has always kept humankind divided and captive, and for the first time ever, its hegemony is threatened. That is why humankind has been put in a pressure cooker of would-be Duces and bros homicidally committed to preserving their historical privileges, in addition to a global pandemic of unknown origin. This is most definitely an existential test, and so far, humankind has managed to avoid destroying its civilization, yet again, to rescue the interests of its owners. The name of the ownership game is divide by any means and conquer. That is what humankind's limited resources are paying for. The owners of the world are desperately attempting to arrange a global reset that is more to their liking. They don't care about people. Try to keep in mind that the actual world of human beings is nothing like the myopic dystopian view pushed by their "full-spectrum" private media. Contrary to its incessant prognostications of disaster, the world is not about to end, but perhaps it is the end of humankind's captivity. People who should know better claim that "democracy" is under threat in the USA. Franchised participation by proxy is not democracy. This romanesque republic is divide and conquer by government. Here, the population is factionalized into opposing camps with the power of capital punishment over each other. What we see happening, the flagrantly deliberate attempt to incite the population to civil war, is a function of this republic. The government of the USA is for republicans, including the Democratic Republicans, (the original name of the Democratic Party). Democracy, like the public, is not actually represented by the private property reward and punishment regime that owns this republic. Look at the twin fasces and other imperial Roman paraphernalia adorning the House Chamber of the U.S. Capitol. Those fasces have their axe heads, representing the power of capital punishment, always exposed and facing each other. A republic is divide and conquer by government. To that end, the ruling plutocracy will offer republics in any flavor (democratic, socialist, nationalist...) but never actual democracy. This particular republic is a fascist construct to begin with. To factionalize the population into competing camps is what fascism actually is. In the House Chamber you see it institutionalized and enshrined with ornamental Roman columns, the House aquila mace, the national flag, and a shout-out to Jove's ability to keep humankind divided. Like the Roman original, this republic survives on scapegoats and vigilantes. The only way out of this manufactured conundrum is to break out of the republican paradigm and establish actual democracy.

[@joelwest5396]

Yes! Direct Democracy! Force the issue.

[@luisaarevalo3784]

Like religion, the republic breeds a class of people privileged by it, with its own debased morality that allows for that privilege. Those people serve as the elite's bulwark against systemic change. They are the people who are set against the rest of us when the elite feel threatened.

[@luisaarevalo3784]

"The left" exists to dis-represent and frustrate anyone who is fundamentally concerned with human rights, with posers like the Cuba-hating "socialist," AOC, and agents provocateur such as Anitfa, BLM, and MeToo. Both right and left of the republic are playing for the gunplay-hungry republican class, inviting it to victimize people like me. "The left" is for to stuff moral people into a pigeonhole that morally debased people can shoot at.

[@BettBeat_Media]

Not a single guest from the Global South to join in? This is becoming an issue on the Western left. We've become too isolated and narcissistic to think we, the creators of the problem, only need to talk to each other to solve what our way of thinking has created.

[@arnoldslaizans4719]

Whatever happens - to force medical procedure on human is violation of basic medical ethic principles.

[@kathleenshannon8284]

how to educate and inform the masses of climate change/global warming and future disasters without systemic changes?

[@waterkingdavid]

58:45 Unbelievable statistics.

[@EuDouArteHipHopArtCulture21]

17:00

[@flywistle02]

Let's go Brandon!

[@jamalcalypse]

oh damn liberals pwned!!!!!!!!!

[@travwein]

Trump 2024

[@kbombin77]

"Well, here I think we have to go back to the fundamental evil of the capitalist system. The idea that you have to subject yourself to a master for most of your waking life. It's considered, it's called taking, having a job. Having a job means you subordinate yourself to arbitrary control of a totally unaccountable master for most of your waking life, who has the kind of controls that Stalin never dreamed of." -Noam