Yanis Varoufakis in conversation with Ilan Pappé | DiEM25

Yanis Varoufakis, DiEM25 co-founder and MeRA25 leader, and Ilan Pappé discuss the global crisis, disobedience, Israel, Palestine and more!
In the context of a long discussion organised by the University of Exeter, on the transition from capitalism to techno-feudalism, Yanis Varoufakis and Ilan Pappé dedicated 15′ discussing recent events in Palestine/Israel and the manner in which the Israeli state is pursuing its Apartheid policies both within Israel and the Occupied Territories.
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[@zantecarroll4448]

How lucky we are to hear these brilliant and deeply moral men. Yanis' willingness to seek truth and defend the vulnerable has given me hope for a long time. I am a grateful Diemer.

[@auroralee6232]

DiEM25 programs are a breath of sanity. At any rate YOU keep me sane. But for chance I'd be living in a tent right now instead of with a relative in his comfortable home. Please keep up the brilliant work. Your ideas -- put into action -- are dearly needed here in the US.

[@robstewart4702]

Yanis, you totally rock. You've stayed true to fact and truth and have stood the ground for reason and fairness always, even in the face of insurmountable obstacles and odds. You don't fight the establishment because you think you can win, you fight the establishment because it is the establishment! Rock on brother.

[@4imagesmore]

Stolen from Chris Hedges - re. fascists.

[@robstewart4702]

@@4imagesmore Well spotted. I love Chris Hedges too, courageous man. But Hedges actually stole the quote himself. I think it was from Hannah Arendt originally.

[@4imagesmore]

@@robstewart4702 Sure. He gives good quote.

[@dinnerwithfranklin2451]

Yanis is such an impressive mind. We are lucky he chose truth over the troika.

[@ayewazhe5013]

What's the troika?

[@MrCalls1]

@@ayewazhe5013 The three part group, of the European Commission, Euro central bank, and IMF, which together negotiated with eurozone countries after 2008 to manage (certainly not solve) the financial crisis, and then resulting soveriegn debt crisis. Yanis famously refused an unsustainable package of loans for Greece, because he wouldn’t lie and promise Greece could ever expect to pay back such sums. As a result he lost his position as finance minister, and returned to the world of academia.

[@ayewazhe5013]

@@MrCalls1 Thank you!

[@zx7rzx7r25]

Thank you Ilan and Yanis.

[@fjordhellas4077]

I’m a Norwegian who happens to be a Jew and completely against the Zionist Apartheid regime of Israel. I have so much respect for professor Ilan Pappé and Yanis for having the courage to invite other fellow and decent Israelis who abhor the the colonizing of Palestine and the Palestinian people. Shlomo Sand and my professor Avni Shlaim are also like Professor Pappé, not to mention the incredible Israeli journalists Gideon Levi and Amira Haas for speaking out and denouncing daily the atrocities committed by the Israeli regime.

[@Windband1]

Thank you.

[@twoshea749]

So much love and gratitude Yanis and Ilan! My library is blessed with books by both of you. Your voices of justice love and reason are so important for the change in this world that is coming, though so painfully slow and difficult, but surely and unstoppable.

[@8181k]

Yanis Varoufakis is one of humanity's greatest examples. What a great man.

[@a.nefertiti6980]

I love him. I just wish he'd reevaluate his position on nationalism: without Greek nationalism, the country would be in great jeopardy. I say this as an Egyptian.

[@platosbeard4449]

@@a.nefertiti6980 what would Greece be in great jeopardy from were it not for Greek nationalism?

[@Youbetternowatchthis]

6:30 as a German to can confirm that what he says is 100% true

[@louisgavin4497]

You man as a Nazi, no doubt.

[@curaticac5391]

Ilan Pappé is such a nice man, may God bless him!

[@ahagamama]

Thank you for talking about the crisis in Palestine. Don't you think that one reason for politicians falling in line behind Israel has to do with the economic advantage of linking to the U.S. military-industrial complex and corporate powers that supply it?

[@LaVictoireRosee]

My comments keep getting deleted. But I completely agree with you. Abby Martin, Mehdi Hassan, Haaretz and others have wonderful investigate journalism on this topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWjKo4apqquGiZI

[@MH7919]

No, its because they don't want to align with corrupt terrorists and criminals.

[@davidantonacci9525]

@@MH7919But Israel and the US are the most corrupt and biggest terrorists in the world. Maybe when you're a little older you'll understand?

[@MH7919]

@@davidantonacci9525 I'm a little older now but still don't understand.

[@pmr4123]

Frankly I think it's even deeper...most of Europe, especially the Eurozone, seems more like vassal states of US economic imperialism. In that sense, I don't think they even have the ability to challenge US foreign policy in any meaningful way...although do they even want to? France, Britain, Belgium, Germany...these are all "ex"-colonial powers and the US system of extracting material wealth with financial imperialism via IMF/WTO and draconian IP laws seems to benefit the Old World aristocracy just fine. Steal the developping worlds resources while preventing their progress through technology transfer (China broke the system by outfoxing the Empire, hence the saber rattling). This model requires enforcers to keep the less compliant nations at bay. Iran fought back and Iraq stopped behaving politely so Israel and Saudi Arabia box in Iran and Russia to an extent and Iraq is a smoking hellhole. The US supported South Africa during apartheid for a very similar reason vis a vis continental Africa until it was so hard to justify they finally had to back off. We can learn a lesson from that example. The price must outweigh the benefit...for the US and for Europe.

[@calbears56]

Yes, the people of Greece have historically been very supportive of the Palestinian people. You can see this in Cyprus today as well.

[@petercohen5563]

Bless these men!

[@vincentlaw5229]

Thanks for your work

[@EddieM1205]

Yanis is a principled, smart, decent humanist and grateful for his support of the Palestinian people, as well as broader Greek and Cypriot support of Palestine ✌🏻🇵🇸✌🏻

[@derblindesanchez7250]

Thanks a lot for your works!!

[@manukawijesinghe9267]

Brilliant dialogue with two luminaries.

[@isadoreladuca7532]

Yanis is brilliant, as usual.

[@Truth47hturT]

I hope your audience grows wider - more people need to be educated about our humanity, battle against evil and a chance for future world peace. It always starts with acknowledging Truth and bearing patiently against lies. God be with all those who seek the truth.

[@odinallfarther6038]

Our economic system has more in common with bad plumbing that science or math .

[@jimbraatz4514]

Shit is indeed spraying everywhere

[@ChicagoTurtle1]

Ya we need an actionable plan for everyone to support. Words are not enough. No more words. Time for action. Action that will work.

[@khalidjian2671]

Thanks prof Pappe,great job

[@susanmiller1201]

In a post truth world, Yanis I look to you for sanity!

[@ZambeziKid]

Its very true what YV says about education. I also studied Econ at univ in UK in a very left leaning city. I realised many years later that the course taught me zero about economic theory. What we leanr in university is how to successfully function on the cogs within the captialist wheel - whether a business person, a banker, an accountant or financial analyst. Thats it. All theory that they teach is a complete load of horseshlt bcos as YV says its all based on assumptions that do not exist, nor can ever exist in reality. Is not the real world. I only ever begun to learn about this when I read, under my own volition, a series of works by Harold Shutt on the critiques of capitalism and a model for a better future. Ironically Shutt is an economics professor in UK, but his books are terrific and I would reommend them to anyone who wants to understand the realities of economics in the world.

[@Windband1]

So true! It reminds me of the bullshit theory in capitalism "supply and demand". As you know it says, as demand grows greater than supply price increases. WRONG. If demand grows greater than supply, you simply run out of the item! It has no effect on price. That is called PROFITEERING!! That is based on GREED. There's no economic theory there!

[@nickyfayyad]

thank you

[@calbears56]

I hope Yanis doesn't have a heart attack over what Ilan Pappe has said, since I never think of Yanis as a critic of Zionism; to be fair, he doesn't know enough about the history so inviting Pappe onto this show demonstrates a willingness to learn.

[@annelawrence5546]

Not sure he'll learn very much from Pappe!

[@efratmargalit8168]

Shame that Ilan Pape doesn have a decent microphone...

[@archyology]

Yeah. The auto-transcipt works wonders.

[@zantecarroll4448]

'The antidote is international democratic movements'

[@qwertyuiopzxcvbnm9890]

Spot on about the situation in Germany

[@europeantechie]

Couldn't believe it, talked to friends, it's true.

[@Pomegranate_David]

How unfortunate! How is the conflict covered by the German media?

[@qwertyuiopzxcvbnm9890]

@@Pomegranate_David I didn't look much into German media coverage of it but from looking into it a little, you can be sure that it is about the same as in English language media. A notable thing in German media is that there is phony outrage about antisemitism. Just accusing somebody of antisemitism is even more potent and effective in Germany

[@Pomegranate_David]

@@qwertyuiopzxcvbnm9890 Thanks for replying.

[@yourfriendasmund1073]

Wao, Yanis should be a Rapper yo!

[@calbears56]

Palestinian civil society called for BDS in 2005. It is the single most important thing any of us can do, because it centers the leadership of Palestinians.

[@fieldlab4]

Please include the date of the original material! This is from November 2019.

[@georgesais8687]

Yanis, you just mentioned Rosa Luxembourg after I wrote my comment. It is hard and sad that in Poland they are destroying monuments built in recognition of her. P S you make sense on technol feudalism and its association with monopolism and is it not the case that wars seem to begin when this happens? Instead of doing good for climate change I'm afraid we are about to blow ouselves up. Israel is known to have nukes and with madmen in charge of the regeme (hope I'm wrong)

[@credibility63]

I didn't think anyone listened to Pappe anymore. He's been interviewed many times stating that the truth isn't the most important thing with history.

[@KautjeElfje]

" Get them when they're young, otherwise the mechanism will take them" . Spoken!

[@pmr4123]

So much of the world made no sense until I began to understand the machinations of Empire and Finance. Thank you, Yanis, for helping further my understanding over the course of events. 2008 definately was our 1929. Just as yestercentury had to deal with the existential crisis of the Atomic Age, we must grapple with the Anthropocene Mass Extinction without having first cowed our bankers like the New Dealers did...will the banks kill the host or will we definancialize and mobilize in time to save ourselves? This latest round of neo-fascist violence fed by The Empire is only going to intensify as global discontent rises like the oceans.

[@roswithashaw713]

Roswitha Shaw Ottawa, Canada The audio was poor so I couldn't follow and stopped listening after 10 minutes. Hope to view it again.

[@omarkn4371]

"This crime of silence is the greatest crime being perpetrated." @12:50 - Complicity in crime, ugly and cowardly staying silent. Comfort zone is decay.

[@jjjjjjjjzuzuzuzu]

There are good peopel out there and those 2 are

[@tenorune]

where's the gofundme to get pappé a good mic

[@homapirzadeh3930]

In great hesitation about the outcome 🥺my question is that In case of One State solution of Palestine/ Israel conflict, what would be the name of that future State?????🤔🤔🤭

[@MrBrownstick]

So sad its happening in right front of us and world is quite

[@Hands2HealNow]

There are plenty of examples of how the powerful eliminate factors that respect working people.

[@oranges9893]

Varoufakis is bae

[@KymHammond]

You you all.

[@bundleofperceptions1397]

What to do about inequality: If 100,000 of us were to form 400 groups of 250, and each group were assigned to remove the head of one of the 400 richest people, that might encourage the rest of the oligarchs to improve their behavior. It probably will not be a popular idea, but it's probably the only one that has a chance of working. If that doesn't work, keep doubling the numbers until it does.

[@Coneman3]

What is DiEM25s view of Brexit?

[@GregoryWonderwheel]

I advocate for a "Three State Solution." Gaza and the West Bank should each declare themselves as independent nations, adopt a Constitution, and hold elections, then send out diplomats to get recognition and to join the UN as a nation. In the future then a Federation of Gaza and the West Bank could be considered. But the bottom line is that the Palestinian people should not wait for Israel and the US to "give permission" for them to declare their independence.

[@irabraus9478]

I dare Amy Goodman to interview Yanis on her show!

[@Windband1]

He's actually been on before, but it's been some time now. I doubt she will now since DN has become a shell of its former self, and is not part of the Dem establishment.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

"Hobbnobbing with Netanyahu..."😂 I don't mean to make light of Palestines plight but that just made me laugh.

[@sawtoothiandi]

sounds like an Alan Partridge idea for a new tv series..

[@laurenceegan6136]

@@sawtoothiandi Well, Lynn was apparently a fan of his - but that was never elaborated on, if I recall correctly. It may have gone some way to explain that perpetual grimace all the same!

[@rosdimak]

Yanis, you have expressed sense of shame and solidarity for Palestinians that have been forcefully expelled from their motherland. I am just wandering if you have expressed similar sense of solidarity and condemning your Government when 60 thousand people mainly women and children were expelled from the Eagean part of Macedonia in 1948 at the time if the civil war.

[@andreaskyriacou1173]

Yanis's explanation as to why things are as they are is accurate but put in complex terms so to exclude the majority from understanding? To be simply put as follows: we r born with different categories of chemistry? Let's say some are more inclined to be hot n some cold blooded? Some will do anything for money for excess wealth? Even kill others to maintain or improve their position? Unfortunately the educational system over the centuries has been unable to correct these conflicts? Once the wrong people are in power it's hard to change the status quo as they will always want to control it by using the majority of re election to the detriment of minorities? Power to control corrupts so the love of power n money is the root of all evil? Or is money the root of all evil? Probably not the root of all evil of all evil is probably education at school uni media etc? Education is unable to override wars famine homelessness etc? Eg education is unable to do away with inborn bad chemistry? Really for millenia has there been improvement in human chemistry?

[@alwaysamazed]

The primal neurobiology of fight/flight/freeze in response to FEAR for the self sabotages the cognitive, conscious brain that "reasons" to make behavioral decisions for the welfare of the community. We are living out a predator paradox, which can only be resolved by neurobiological wisdom of altruism practiced by non-predatory alpha males! (Heros like these 2 extraordinary visionaries!)

[@mariewray446]

so much of all of our education is not intellectual - so much is technical and that is why there are diploma mills and people do not respect intellectuals or people who operate intellectually - only operators and people who serve those who evaluate what is success or progress.

[@robertcox14]

My personal spiritual life cannot thrive in the depravity of humanity - contemplation this morning suggests a need to abandon humanity in order to have a prosperous spirituality.

[@PetraKann]

Why cant a 2 state solution work?

[@archyology]

There's actually a book I recommend: On Palestine by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappe, because they debate the one state/two state solution extensively throughout. Chomsky makes a case for the two state, and Pappe for a one state. Finkelstein also thinks that maybe in 20-30 years we can have a civil rights type movement in Palestine.

[@archyology]

In this video he discusses the question if you start at like 2:22:00 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYa5eYCHrsuEoNk

[@herrk8998]

the 2 state solution is dead, because Israel controls the whole territory including Gaza. there are 500.000 israeli settlers (growing number) in the westbank protected by the israeli army. Israel wont give them up neither the control over the whole territory. The only solution is equal rights for both people in one state... or continuing human rights violation and apartheid

[@PetraKann]

@@archyology where are the interviews with Palestinians? If you listen to Pape he says all the right things. He criticises israel, says he supports palestinians, attacks Netanyahu, refers to UN resolutions, supports human rights and international law but when asked if Palestine can be recognised as an independent state he says “no thats not possible”. Finklestein says maybe in several decades delaying what should have been done decades ago. This is controlled opposition that is doing more damage to the palestinian cause than the Likud party and hard Zionists combined. I want to hear from palestinian leaders snd ordinary Palestinians in palestine and around the world. These speakers should refer to them and even have them sitting next to them. Otherwise these talkfests are “feel-good” publicity events and essentially useless to the Palestinians. Remember these types of discussions that omit palestinian voices have been going on since 1948.

[@karlmattar1789]

Agreed that we need more Palestinian voices. There’s been some media interviews with some, like Mohammed el Kurd, Noura Erakat, Mariam Barghouti. The consensus does seem to be one democratic state with equal rights for everyone.

[@dr.giuseppetussiwand1726]

I thought the state of things described by Yanis was actually planned and executed under the framework of the Mont Pellerin society, as a reaction to when socialist policies became mainstream after 1929...en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Pelerin_Society

[@vasilykatuma5689]

Come to "save" us again, "together" the Crown we ll make "great", to Greeks and eir future again...shet! "Up" for daskalakiss JUNTA, SOROS and britain the "great"!!!!

[@bernardmauge6628]

30 minutes into the talk and still no mention of Palestine. Yanis get to the point we dont need a lecture on Capitalism, we all know the subject very well a the end o each month, thank you.

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Yes, the people have the power Yanis, the power to change the system. But not from the inside. System change never came from within. Parliamentarians will never vote to change the systems they operate to their own advantage. We cannot 'vote' through the ballot box for change. The only way is to rebel, for sufficient numbers of the population to take to the streets. That isn't going to happen in Australasia where the masses are comfortable, and it will be very difficult in Europe where there are also sufficient numbers of comfortable people. Perhaps in the USA? Chris Hedges thinks so but it could take 20 years. This is a long struggle, a lifetime struggle, and from a climate perspective there isn't time to delay 20 years, we need change now. Therein is the paradox. The climate won't wait and environmental systems are changing daily. Solutions are not to be found in yesterday's systems, but in the new systems the people are making today. Extinction Rebellion is right; follow the science and act as if the climate emergency is an emergency. Citizens' Assemblies are the democratic way forward.

[@noIMspartacus2]

Good grief... .... does anyone still take this lying hypocrite that constantly contradicts himself seriously?!?!?! He just goes round regurgitating often contradictory "theories" and rehashing the obvious and his conflicting waffle depending on the audience and who's paying... Just look at the results of his "policies" and "predictions" - why do you think he was dropped kicked out of government by his "communist" comrades who were initially selling him as a "rock star" politician?!!!! Don't fall for his duplicitous waffle and delusions of adequacy... he is little more than a narcissistic, treacherous little "populist" stooge and - to quote the pathetic clown himself - "a comedy of errors wrapped up in harmless waffle" - which sums up this champagne socialist perfectly... Lets face it, he just regurgitates and adapts his conflicting waffle according to his audience and who's paying... just ask his former "communist" comrades who also betrayed Greece - or those holding his off shore accounts... Time to wake the fracking hell up! It's actually slimy treasonous "populist" stooges like this and little niggle fartmirage that are undermining Europe!

[@robobertob]

0:11 AMOGUS SIGHTING

[@bundleofperceptions1397]

The biggest mistake people make is not understanding evolution. As the environment changes, and the environment is always changing, all systems must either adapt and change or die. This applies to biological, social, and cultural systems. This is probably why so many "civilizations" have perished -- they failed to adapt and change to keep pace with environmental change. Technology has changed our environment at a very rapid pace, but societal change has been very slow, and it's sometimes been set back, and this can only lead to the end of our society, assuming climate extinction doesn't happen first. Economists love to claim economics is a science, but in reality, it's a religion with phony equations as their psalms and epistles. btw: the Pope knows there's no god, but he will never come out and admit to the fact.

[@marcodeodorico7618]

social evolutionism is a rather dangerous path...

[@katiehodak6321]

One state solution is “pie in the sky”, maybe someday... but it should not be the short term goal at this time... just won’t happen. Please consider exploring the deep underlying International financial support given to Israel, that is the place to start.

[@calbears56]

It's already happening. This is why Human Rights Watch and Israel's own human rights organization B'tselem have called Israel and not just the Occupied Territories an apartheid regime or state. In a battle over land, resources and the people's relationship to them, whatever is going on not in terms of statements, public opinion polls, etc. but from the ground up, is what is most revealing of the directional force of political reality. This has nothing to do with what people say they want and everything to do with the impossibility of the "two state solution." I've spent a lot of time there doing research and seen the changes over time. What "just won't happen" today is a Palestinian state.It may be historically unfortunate but it's absolutely the case.

[@MrSuperhebi]

thumb down because of weak sound quality

[@shadetreader]

That sort of deliberately context-less "reporting" and abuse of passive voice is also used for mass shootings and police lynchings of Black people in the US.

[@georgesais8687]

This double standards is nothing new, remember Rosa Luxembourg, how she was murdered when the social democrats joined the right-wing to form government in Germany after the first world war? They in turn were butchered or at least imprisoned some 16 years later by the rise of the Nazis. Extreme? Considering the killing of innocent children, women, men, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters in Palestine, not at all an extreme comparison. Or the uprising in Warsaw by the Jews against the Nazis (As Dr Finklesteine compares). Divide and rule is always the main ambition for a colonial power.

[@friendinpotentia]

Anyone who talks about apartheid in reference to Israel is either ignorant or antisemitic. You, Yanis, talk about lack of context in reporting of events. How about practicing what you preach? Why is there a wall? Is it to practice apartheid or is it in response to a bombing campaign that targeted Jewish civilians in Israel? Israelis did not want a wall. They wanted Arabs from the West Bank to be able to enter Israel and they wanted to travel to the West Bank in freedom. There could have been peace after the '67 war which Arabs started, but the PA had other plans. The Druze, an Arabic-speaking minority, are very happy in Israel. The Muslims could have the same situation, but they don't want it.

[@MH7919]

Regarding Palestine, your ideas are decoupled from reality! Just like in the Economics department ...

[@PetraKann]

Easy to make that statement. You agree with how the economics profession operates? What is your experience in economics? Do you believe Palestinians deserve a state if their own and have the right to defend themselves against occupation and oppression? I am sure you have easy answers to these questions. Eager to hear your response

[@MH7919]

@@PetraKann Palestinians deserve what ever they want and have to decide this as a collective first and find a suitable representation that is interested in dialog. Voting Hamas only once was the road to misery and in their society you are not given a second chance to change this error. One state solution advocated by Yanis and Illan is an abstraction that will never work in reality. No one will agree on that democratically. If it was the case you would have a civil war like in Syria.

[@calbears56]

@@PetraKann Unfortunately, there is not going to be a Palestinian state; for one, Israel would never allow the "security arrangements" that would make it possible to move goods, services, and people necessary to even have an "economy."

[@mozar937]

A state for all its citizens, will it be democratic? Show me one Muslim group in the world that is democratic

[@Windband1]

Irrelevant.

[@redpeony]

Support for mass migration, BDS and now Brexit. Very sorry, but I am removing Yanis and DiEM25 from my will.