Ye Bhi Theek Hai, Ep 2: Are our views on religion and the elderly outdated?

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Жыл бұрын

Is religion, which has shaped human civilization like few other forces, inherently uncivilized? As @KunalKamra and Sanjay Rajoura dissect this highly charged question, they find many a layer of contention. Communism, spirituality, and political ideologies all come into discussion.
If this wasn’t provocative enough, they jump headlong into another hot-button subject for much of Indian society: the treatment of the elderly. Should you respect your elders merely because they are older to you?
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@newslaundry
@newslaundry Жыл бұрын
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@ss6966
@ss6966 Жыл бұрын
I sometimes wonder that barter system was better. Aapko real mein kya chahiye ye bataiye. Sabun? kapdta? Hum bana ke bhejwa denge speed post se. Par ye kaam hum khud ke liye karenge. Kisi ke liye naukar banke naukri to nahin karni padegi!
@Nitin-hh9li
@Nitin-hh9li Жыл бұрын
I subscribed with ₹₹₹ just to hear these two go on and on lol. Great idea whoever came up with this.
@abhisheksunkale6672
@abhisheksunkale6672 Жыл бұрын
Mera 21 se joining hqi tcs me i will buy a subscription of my first salary Also a suggestion try interviewing ruling oarty politicians and right wing guys i dont see that often on this channel
@CaptainScorpio24
@CaptainScorpio24 Жыл бұрын
Buddha:-Three things can not hide for long: the Moon, the Sun and the Truth. Buddhism is very scientific and flexible.
@CaptainScorpio24
@CaptainScorpio24 Жыл бұрын
Buddha didnt believe in concept of GOD
@puranjaigarg6445
@puranjaigarg6445 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay Rajoura absolutely hit the nail on the head in this conversation. Making clear axiomatic arguments. How can religion be claimed as a pursuit of truth without bearing the burden of furnishing proof.
@prabpharm07
@prabpharm07 Жыл бұрын
The problem with this discourse that I see is not defining the relegion at the outset - is it the practice of relegion or the theoretical doctrine, does this also include philosophy, which at least in Hinduism stems from relegion. Sanjay is criticizing the practices of religion, Kunal is defending the theoretical principles of relegion rather spiritual aspects of it. I think no rationale individual can defend how relegions are practiced.
@PRINCEKUMAR-kz8zm
@PRINCEKUMAR-kz8zm Жыл бұрын
Also religion tells we know the truth that here is the truth, they are clearly not coming to any truth like science
@Christopherphantom
@Christopherphantom Жыл бұрын
@@prabpharm07 Philosophy used to be science when we didn't understand laws of physics/nature. Philosophy is a wonderful subject, I love it and I promote the study of it. But in the current times, without taking science into account, philosophy is simply a corpse. And I don't think Sanjay is simply criticizing the practices of religion but religion as a concept and is quite accurate to do so. If a theory is flawed, doesn't matter how nice the paper or the font, it will do well to stay out of a trash can. That's precisely what religion in any form is. Still people ought to have the choice to follow or what they like and this is where being civil comes into the fore. It should kept it in pants and not forcibly administered, that's all.
@jatindixit8673
@jatindixit8673 Жыл бұрын
Achaa.. hahahahahaha
@tanmayikasaha
@tanmayikasaha Жыл бұрын
Hui
@kingmaker009
@kingmaker009 Жыл бұрын
That line " right wing apne religion ko politics bana leta h aur left wing apne politics ko religion bana leta h" Amazing
@tingneihatkuki8337
@tingneihatkuki8337 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay Rajoura's explanation of scientific theories in simplistic terms is what children needs as introduction to build their enthusiasm for deeper study. They were able to connect the topics in hand together.
@tingneihatkuki8337
@tingneihatkuki8337 Жыл бұрын
@@pakoochavo8696 Ha ha ha. Well, he is in a spiritual realm where you feel that one mustn't completely dissed off the goodness religions may provide.
@Jackwesker3232
@Jackwesker3232 Жыл бұрын
Just Brilliant Stuff !! ..... Sanjay Rajoura gave an articulate explanation @ 10:00 that even non-scientific students can understand what Quantum mechanics is and how it works. 🐱 #Schrodingercat.🐈
@majidmumtaj8886
@majidmumtaj8886 Жыл бұрын
"Jabb duniya ke Dard se aap Judd jao...aur duniya ke Khushi se aap khush raho", that's spirituality.
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Spirituality or philosophy?
@SJain-gj8xk
@SJain-gj8xk Жыл бұрын
👍👍
@manoj1976malviya
@manoj1976malviya Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear Sanjay Rajoura's view. So rare to find rationality and scientific temper in India nowadays, especially on screen.
@salmanshah2543
@salmanshah2543 Жыл бұрын
This discussion reminded me of sanjay sir's words from a show "saanp mile aur spirituality banda mile toh pehle spiritual banda maaro" ... Well played
@thecannabis
@thecannabis Жыл бұрын
It could be religious not spiritual. A spiritual person lets people do what they want but just puts his views and lives with peace.
@anjaliyadav6309
@anjaliyadav6309 Жыл бұрын
Today I am feeling proud of myself for always countering and standing against my elders when they give stupid gyan on religion, education, marriage ,jobs first time I am seeing someone appreciating it otherwise just tagged as disrespectful
@sapnaa6576
@sapnaa6576 Жыл бұрын
That needs courage. I can't do it. And so I respect you
@manav7279
@manav7279 Жыл бұрын
So often, we'll lose the courage too,,societal conditioning gets into the subconscious somehow, however against it our beliefs are. It's almost a daily fight,, finding that fine line between coexisting and rebel.
@jidrit999
@jidrit999 Жыл бұрын
study Ramayan and Gita
@crmznize
@crmznize Жыл бұрын
🙌🏻
@jidrit999
@jidrit999 Жыл бұрын
@Mohammed IFHAMUDDIN study understanding muhamad by ali sina
@prateeksaraswat1
@prateeksaraswat1 Жыл бұрын
Impressed by the breadth of Sanjay Rajora’s knowledge. And Kunal Kamra’s empathetic.
@manojpayal4765
@manojpayal4765 Жыл бұрын
Great discussion guys. Kunal is much calmer and spritual now and Sanjay is on point about how he explained science and it's role. It was a great watch!!
@dogmatic6883
@dogmatic6883 Жыл бұрын
6:35 The summary comparison of left wing and right wing by Kunal is damn correct! Great conversation
@v1234umt
@v1234umt Жыл бұрын
goosebumps mr rajoura you gave me with your insights, science can be challenged by each and everyone and he will convince to follow through evidences
@RishikeshSingh28
@RishikeshSingh28 Жыл бұрын
We are forced to become believers. In most of the schools, there is some kind of prayer in the morning without telling its rationality. On the other hand the scientific thought is developed in probably the higher grades.
@gautamsunder9725
@gautamsunder9725 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay and Kunal, I have enjoyed you, even though I am 69 running. I love you because I am enjoying almost all your episodes. I only wish, all the best to you both.
@rahul27668
@rahul27668 Жыл бұрын
I was avoiding to pay for news but Sanjay rajoura might force me to pay for this podcast
@quirtt
@quirtt Жыл бұрын
so true
@righteousrebellious2330
@righteousrebellious2330 Жыл бұрын
i would have spent 300 rs to listen to kamra and sanjay rajoura but this auto payment for every month is so fucked up
@SJain-gj8xk
@SJain-gj8xk Жыл бұрын
😀😀
@rajashreedeodhar4295
@rajashreedeodhar4295 Жыл бұрын
Loving this conversation! Wonderful idea , Newslaundry! Yeh thik hi nahi accha hai 😅
@hashminuman3120
@hashminuman3120 Жыл бұрын
Achha hi nahi bahut hi achha
@AmanSharma-bx6el
@AmanSharma-bx6el Жыл бұрын
​@@hashminuman3120 Let them talk about your religion then we'll see...How much rational you are...We as Hindu are much more rational as well as Christians also but you guys...And I loved this video...
@shreya9170
@shreya9170 Жыл бұрын
When they picked up the Religion chit, i thought it would be the same old religion bashing but they, especially Sanjay offered a surprisingly fresh perspective on this age old topic. Thanks! Definitely subscribing for future episodes!
@PranavKumar-dd2xo
@PranavKumar-dd2xo Жыл бұрын
Han accha laga yar sun k
@83abhinavnigam
@83abhinavnigam Жыл бұрын
Aisa kya pata chal gaya
@Deadlymm
@Deadlymm Жыл бұрын
Sanjay sounded very shallow while Kamra hit the nail
@shubhamkumarjha4469
@shubhamkumarjha4469 Жыл бұрын
Many girls alleged Sanjay rajoura on metoo shame on newslaundry for calling a molester and giving him platform
@A.K.00
@A.K.00 11 ай бұрын
@@shubhamkumarjha4469lol dude stop spamming
@AdityaChaudhary-oo7pr
@AdityaChaudhary-oo7pr Жыл бұрын
Great Conversation. Religion is a complex thing. Human mind is a complex thing. When these two interact these lead to a spectrum of good and bad things.
@thanosbaba1
@thanosbaba1 Жыл бұрын
This conversation has given me a deep knowledge on spiritualism and science. Both are important in day-to-day life. Thankyou.
@geetasaigal5959
@geetasaigal5959 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed today’s conversation. These two guys are savagely honest 😁 love them. keep it up.
@83abhinavnigam
@83abhinavnigam Жыл бұрын
Are you rational or spiritual?
@Dr.AshishSehgal
@Dr.AshishSehgal Жыл бұрын
Excellent Discussion. Kamra, for me, you are losing it! Please come back. Please don't lose yourself in ambiguity (spiritual calm). I really hope you stay clear in thinking and not hide behind concepts like acceptance etc. Thanks. Sanjay - Kudos to keep taking and keeping a stand for science and logic. Love your clarity. Enjoyed this show. Newslaundry - Your app subscription is expensive. Consider making it more affordable for masses. You are really doing a good job.
@Sam-81_98
@Sam-81_98 Жыл бұрын
Are you asking Kamra to be like someone?
@holup977
@holup977 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, if Kamra has found his life get better because of spirituality why should he give that up for anyone? Why should someone be strictly rational in every aspect of their life if it is emotionally draining?
@abhisheksunkale6672
@abhisheksunkale6672 Жыл бұрын
Remember guys its not any religion that is under attack Our freedom is under attack from our own elders , political leaders and fellow citizen as well i fight (verbally) a lot with the elderly.You all should NEVER REGRET 🙃
@paranoah1925
@paranoah1925 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation! Just want to add my perspective on the science-spirituality-religion debate. Spirituality is more at odds with religion than science. In fact, it is not faith-based at all. Buddha would be horrified if people reached enlightenment by hearing and believing what they were told instead of their own observations. Just like science, it involves reaching the truth though pure observation, dropping all your biases and conditioning
@eldestaroma
@eldestaroma Жыл бұрын
Aah...a proper comment....!! Rare scenario...
@krishnanandpatel958
@krishnanandpatel958 Жыл бұрын
All of that are man-made,
@anishaansari330
@anishaansari330 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Spirituality based on Religion is all about doing your homework well by looking for the truth based on your own observation and rational approach. You shouldn't believe whatever you listen from other people without doing your own research and analysis. 99% people are forced to believe on whatever their parents say as the sole truth and don't do their own study. We are too lazy to look for the truth rather we would like to believe whatever our elders and gurus teaches us with blind faith.
@eldestaroma
@eldestaroma Жыл бұрын
@@pakoochavo8696 Spirituality is accepting the fact that other can have different opinions and you dont have to accept it, but you also dont need to be condescending about it.
@eldestaroma
@eldestaroma Жыл бұрын
@@pakoochavo8696 well then in that case spirituality is a freedom of thought. Each individual has his/her idea of spirituality..and one can b non spiritual as well. The only problem with your comment was the condescending nature of it. Had you ask a question without it about spiritualism you may have got different and beautiful answers from others. We dont have to accept or agree with everyone but jst bcoz you have one set of belief doesnt make other's beliefs untrue. Try asking question but only if u want to know more not because you have to prove someone else is beneath you.
@AdityaSingh-gx6em
@AdityaSingh-gx6em Жыл бұрын
This is wonderful. Haven't heard anything better in a while.
@Slpog
@Slpog Жыл бұрын
Loveddd this!!! It was amazing to hear Mr. Sanjay's view... Really sorted, and practical..
@niyaz_107
@niyaz_107 Жыл бұрын
First time i have seen someone toppling kunal kamra with his logic
@divyanshgautam7279
@divyanshgautam7279 Жыл бұрын
Yes, because no matter who you are and what you do, you can't find logic in religion
@RashmiRanjanJena94
@RashmiRanjanJena94 Жыл бұрын
@@divyanshgautam7279 absolutely you can never defend religion against science
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Are behas ya baat cheet Jang nahi hoti , ki koi kisi ko harata phire , niyaz bhai
@onubaba
@onubaba Жыл бұрын
Sanjay Rajoura did an awesome job at explaining what religion lacks and how science and religion work on two different planes. I appreciate Kunal being open to carry on the discussion. This has always been a difficult subject especially for two debaters who are on different ends of the religion spectrum. Again not talking about spirituality. 😁
@VarunBandha
@VarunBandha Жыл бұрын
Instead of comparing science with spirituality, we should look at science v/s philosophy. The scientific method has certain philosophical assumptions that underlie its metaphysics. However, those are not the only ones out there. Also science cannot provide a moral system or a political one, those have to be decided by human beliefs and priorities. This notion that science is end of all knowledge is a very mistaken notion. Spirituality in that sense falls under philiosophy and is therefore seen as such. There is jump from religion to spirituality, we need to perform a similar jump from spirituality to philosophy. Hinduism is infact built on that. There are many different branches of hindu philosophy which are different ways of thinking about the universe and our place in it.
@yogeshdagar3367
@yogeshdagar3367 Жыл бұрын
Earth is flat 😉
@Christopherphantom
@Christopherphantom Жыл бұрын
"Also science cannot provide a moral system or a political one, those have to be decided by human beliefs and priorities. This notion that science is end of all knowledge is a very mistaken notion." Try out the Moral Landscape by Sam Harris. If there's one thing that religion certainly can't help with, it is morality. Harishankar Parsai's work demonstrates that very lucidly.
@Christopherphantom
@Christopherphantom Жыл бұрын
Dude, youtube showed me your response and now I can't see it. Okay, first thing- I apologise. Reading back my comment it seems like I was criticising you but I wasn't doing that, it was as a whole point trying to just add to the first bit but perhaps I should have phrased things more carefully. The only bit where I thought maybe I can add some perspective is by suggesting Sam Harris's book which makes a compelling case for science as an arbiter of morality. Again sorry if my comment seemed harsh but that wasn't the intent. :)
@aakansharai88
@aakansharai88 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay Rajoura has nailed it. "Tumhare truth ka pata lagana science ka business nahi hai" is the best line. Also, I felt that his discussion had more depth. Science is the study of laws of the nature which may also change, because of many variables like human intervention, before you begin to understand them. Therefore understanding and application of those laws in a particular space and time is important. We need more such discussions. I hope Abhinandan Sekhri joins them in some episodes. Keep it up news laundry.
@zacksmith5963
@zacksmith5963 Жыл бұрын
Religion and science coexist
@shubhamkumarjha4469
@shubhamkumarjha4469 Жыл бұрын
Many girls alleged Sanjay rajoura on metoo shame on newslaundry for calling a molester and giving him platform
@kartikeyasengar8261
@kartikeyasengar8261 Жыл бұрын
The first seven minutes is one of the most intriguing conversations I've heard this year. Wow
@b-ue867
@b-ue867 Жыл бұрын
Then you must not listen to good conversations.
@kunalgasm
@kunalgasm Жыл бұрын
Sanjay always sounds more sensible 💜 Thanks newslaundry for this podcast!
@shadyrecrds
@shadyrecrds Жыл бұрын
Saari Television Debates agar aisi ho jaayein… Uss din society ki aadhi se zyaada pareshaaniyan solve ho jaayengi!! Kudos to the Newslaundry team… I was really astonished and still am thinking how Newtonian mechanics and Quantum Mechanics was brought into a discussion involving Religion! Amazing analogies… Hats off!!
@crazyashish4u
@crazyashish4u Жыл бұрын
Such conversation is a need of our country, this was fabulous episode, with both talking the topics with whatever observation they have gone through in their life and putting out on the plate and offcourse in "civilized manner" ha ha. Such conversations are needed in colleges, youths sitting in any area of our country without getting each other offended, just talk and go home educated. Newslaundry has brought up revolution in conversation, discussions of such topics, on a new level, and to me it looks very much needed at this time.
@dhruba0211
@dhruba0211 Жыл бұрын
Kamra made a very important point on religion being the need for the masses and not the educated, privileged. So true. Rajauri in response got into a maze of arguments, but didn't acknowledge this. Religion tab tak rahega jab tak inequality rahega... Aur woh hamesha rahega..kyunki nature but nature is inequal.
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Like culture , religion is for masses
@nik220287
@nik220287 Жыл бұрын
I like how they debate, have opposing views but still are acknowledging. Debates is not one upness but a way to understand the other side!
@madhubantibhattacharya2744
@madhubantibhattacharya2744 Жыл бұрын
WoW! what a fantastic conversation. I totally understand where Kunal is coming from. But this new trend of having to look neutral on everything has translated into always equating left and right. Left and right are not equal and opposite to each other! They may or may not be opposites but they are inherently contradictory to each other. Let us not always simplify things to an extent where it becomes so diluted that the central argument goes missing! And Sanjay...I am a fan of yours. Would love to meet you someday in person and talk ! I hear your are from Delhi. Great going guys. Your show is like an oasis in the middle of a desert. By the way a communist can be spiritual too. seriously!
@amulpandya
@amulpandya Жыл бұрын
Religion and respecting elders both have one important thing in common. Both decides on what is fact based what is old rather than exploring new facts and evolving.
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Well not quite . The rational behind respect for the elderly is Thier physical and mental state gets weaker , so we shld be sensible to tht 2 . They have lived through sm things wr hv not . Science indicates a lot of factors in good decision making . Experience being a strong one . Thus (many times , rather most times ) they are more capable than younger ones . Point close
@sunny123k
@sunny123k Жыл бұрын
@@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Children's mental and physical states are weaker. They haven't even had any social experience yet which warrants even more attention. So, by that reasoning, they deserve the same amount of "respect". But, we don't say "respect the children", do we? Actually, "respect" is an ambiguous word. Most people mean 'be polite' when they say 'respect'. The two are different but thought of as one. Politeness is a type of behaviour. Respect is a sort of admiration or appreciation for someone's status or accomplishments. As far as the argument of an older person being more experienced and hence deserving more respect goes, it depends on what kind of an experience he has had. A teenager who has travelled a lot and come across many different people and societies would be far more 'experienced' than an old man who never even left his village nor his rigid values. What kind of a valuable experience would a narrow-minded or orthodox old person have which he could bestow upon the next generation? It's not just about age. And demanding respect merely for being older is quite ridiculous. Just don't be unnecessarily rude or respectful to anyone regardless of the age.
@saurav3719
@saurav3719 Жыл бұрын
@@sunny123k bhaaai aag laga di 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@rupabanerjee544
@rupabanerjee544 Жыл бұрын
I loved the discussion on both the topics. But in case of the first topic, I think the scientific counterpart of spirituality is Psychology. Therapy is a scientific tool that helps you achieve a sense of who you are and your past, and move forward with positivity in future (with a focus on your mental health). Sanjay Rajoura does mention briefly about brain and neurotransmission in line with it. However, I do agree with Kunal Kamra that it is a privileged position for us to have and undermine the power of spirituality. A lot of people are not privileged enough, to even know about therapy or mental health, have no other way but find happiness and peace in spirituality and their faith.
@VimalKrishna
@VimalKrishna Жыл бұрын
Great point!
@ShashankGautamshylock
@ShashankGautamshylock Жыл бұрын
Sanjay rajoura.....best explanation and best logical answers.....! This duo....is hit..! Bt seeing Mr. Kamra with Sanjay gives a different feel...! Even if human beings don't exist.....the laws of nature do exists and work...!
@artikorgaonkar6088
@artikorgaonkar6088 Жыл бұрын
Want to raise a serious objection to stereotypical 60 yr old. I am 63 old lady. Stopped touching elders feet at 25. Told my kids never to do it. 😊 Now my children nephews nieces come to our home for good food, good single malts and absolutely no judgement or free gyan.
@shkh3800
@shkh3800 Жыл бұрын
Nice episode. Definitely worth a listen (i prefer the podcast). Fair disclosure - funniest part is Nikku Singh's 'free, free, free....'. 👍🏽👍🏽
@HumpyMukherjee
@HumpyMukherjee Жыл бұрын
I am loving this conversation!! Thank you so much!
@mohammadhassain2450
@mohammadhassain2450 Жыл бұрын
It's been hard for me who knows hindi to read the Quran and it's meaning because it's original language is Arabic (which is mostly translated by some relegious scholar). Same applies to Books of other relegions whose original languages are way older than my native ones. So how can one just read and understand things by themselves without stepping stones by a guru or teacher? I believe that a guru can be a stepping stone as not everyone has an autodactic capacity and maybe later down the path one can move ahead by self
@donpasto59
@donpasto59 Жыл бұрын
Most translations of Quran were/are not done by Islamic scholars but by scholars of Classical Arabic. Part of the reason is most Islamic scholars are afraid that they maybe held responsible by Allah for mistakes they may do while translating Quran. And Quran was revealed to the Prophet to be read and Allah promises that he has made things clear in Islam, so basically the logic of needing a guru is against Islam, Islamic scholars are not typical gurus, they don’t remove anything from a hat. They dwell only on Islamic texts to guide Humans through their books/lectures, that is why Islam is very much theocratic and it claims that it is complete and needs no guru/scholar to modify it. Most of the people you see in Indian media with beards/skull caps are no Islamic scholars.
@vivektripathi8833
@vivektripathi8833 Жыл бұрын
Love the guy sanja rajora As an atheist I can understand his frustration about religions
@nm-nm-nm
@nm-nm-nm Жыл бұрын
Also the point is very true that religion, myth and folklore, (whether it is Gods or Santa Claus or the Monkey Man of Delhi) may help under-evolved cultures (or even the growing minds of children) to understand their world through story telling and parables. But as minds and cultures evolve, these things should be shed and man should evolve to higher-order thinking based on science.
@stillunknown5785
@stillunknown5785 Жыл бұрын
I was an atheist untill i realised that I am God
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
@@nm-nm-nm newton was devout theist.
@nm-nm-nm
@nm-nm-nm Жыл бұрын
@@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Perhaps, but one can still be a scientist, (or an inventor, surgeon, Olympian or billionaire) and still have some unscientific beliefs. It can also simultaneously be said that many atheists (even blasphemers) live perfectly happily without being struck down by lightning or disease. Which could mean that God either doesn't exist or is totally indifferent to these things.
@YuezhiTribe
@YuezhiTribe Жыл бұрын
This series feels awesome, I'm gonna get the subscription for this ig
@rumlia
@rumlia Жыл бұрын
What 'Buddhist Religion' did to Sri Lanka is worth exploring. Did a naturally pacifist philosophy under 'religion and priests' was a spark that created mass deaths in Sri Lanka?
@20shourya
@20shourya Жыл бұрын
and don't forget Burma!
@bhupeshbharde2005
@bhupeshbharde2005 Жыл бұрын
I can relate to science discussion....respect behaviour ke hisab se honi chahiye
@ambikasankarguru8537
@ambikasankarguru8537 Жыл бұрын
Hinduism changed and evolved continuesly, it was never organised so it adopted every religion and every type of worshipping in the country untill the last decade when it got organised and the evolution stoped and people were like this is our religion and we don't need to change and that made us 2 dimensional like every other religion
@omairkhan8084
@omairkhan8084 Жыл бұрын
"One can contrive a religious motivation for virtually any choice of action, from commitment to the highest ideals to support for the most horrendous atrocities. In the sacred texts, we can find uplifting calls for peace, justice and mercy, along with the most genocidal passages in the literary canon. Conscience is our guide, whatever trappings we might choose to clothe it in." - Noam Chomsky
@ravi9dra
@ravi9dra Жыл бұрын
Kunal saying he doesn't give a fcuk about gallileo and then saying people following science come from privilege. On the contrary him sitting in an air conditioned studio and preaching about spirituality is a privilege without giving credit where it's due. Spirituality is only the debris of religion. Big fan of both.
@krishnanandpatel958
@krishnanandpatel958 Жыл бұрын
Sahi pakkde h,
@Burner__
@Burner__ Жыл бұрын
Philosophy precedes science. Renaissance gave birth to scientific revolution.
@shanblues7257
@shanblues7257 Жыл бұрын
@@Burner__ Science has always been there. Philosophy has only been there since active consciousness began.
@abhaymahato7770
@abhaymahato7770 Жыл бұрын
well he said that in the context of "reforming society to be more kinder and empathetic" not scientific development...without taking his frame of reference in consideration you are passing judgement a/c to your frame of reference.
@ravi9dra
@ravi9dra Жыл бұрын
In any context and he added the society thing later.
@mridulasamant5985
@mridulasamant5985 Жыл бұрын
Was waiting for Sanjay Rajoura to start talking!! Good to hear him.
@jayg9089
@jayg9089 Жыл бұрын
What A Great Conversation.Sanjay You Nailed it. Sorry to hear about your father Sanjay. I always knew that Sanjay has much more potential. Today I can see that. Every single word Sanjay said I felt like I am speaking. And Kunal we like you the way your were in the plane with Shornub 📣 😀. Spirituality doesnt suite your proffession. Very nice show. Enjoyed thoroghly.
@manviesingh7756
@manviesingh7756 Жыл бұрын
that is some great conversation we really need as a society, open-minded and inclusive
@urbanlucha29
@urbanlucha29 Жыл бұрын
Liked Sanjay sir's explaination for scientific temperament!!
@sharmasandeep7
@sharmasandeep7 Жыл бұрын
What I think about science and spirituality is..."both cannot be compared...the first is making our path easy on the earth and the latter is making our path clear to get back to that supreme being which is believed the root of all souls. I am fan of Sanjay and Kamra and respoect the both. But here, I think both are needlessly argue (though polite) over this topic. The spirituality what Kamra is talking about is not the thousands of religions appearing like mashrooms but a teaching which is far different from them. And, science is science who can argue there.
@harish20plus
@harish20plus Жыл бұрын
love your highly intellectual content but can't afford your subscription nowadays coz m jobless. really misss those meanest and canning fallows both are my favourite.. kuch waqt baad jab ye free air honge aap ke episode tab binge watch karunga aur aap ke liye revenue me contribute karunga 4 sure 😉... love you newslaundry team . and special clap 4 manisha and atul.. jay ho dankapati ki..
@vinyashere4all
@vinyashere4all Жыл бұрын
same to same , brother! I want to pay, but pirate bae, so I'll rather wait and watch as well! x)
@GAURAVKUMAR-lb7oj
@GAURAVKUMAR-lb7oj Жыл бұрын
Meaningful conversation much needed of the time
@Diglose1962
@Diglose1962 Жыл бұрын
Belief is subjective. I am a believer, and think rationally. Being spiritual(internal) is far better than being religious (external). Every person should respect the beliefs of the other. Crime and politics should have no place whatsoever.
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Spiritual are the debris of religious - Sanjay rajoura
@sunny123k
@sunny123k Жыл бұрын
My belief is that the Earth is resting upon the back of a giant space tortoise. Please, respect it.
@ashokvijay1144
@ashokvijay1144 4 ай бұрын
I believe it’s resting on head of shesh-naag . Once your tortoise was sleeping and our naag took it over
@Ukjsydney
@Ukjsydney Жыл бұрын
Very intelligent and passionate arguments. Certainly look forward to their future episodes.
@q8cornel
@q8cornel Жыл бұрын
this is worth it, to see an open eye opening conversation rather than a political agenda driven debate on news for free
@deepakmanchanda5196
@deepakmanchanda5196 Жыл бұрын
This is the best Religion Vs Science debate I have ever listened in Indian media 🙏🏻 Need more episodes on this
@misriashaikali4750
@misriashaikali4750 Жыл бұрын
This is Science and Technology Studies 101! Check out Donna Haraway’s Situated knowledges and Sandra Harding’s standpoint epistemologies.
@sumanbahuguna
@sumanbahuguna Жыл бұрын
rational rajora with emotional kamra.. wishing you both a joyful balance of both, individually, and together.. and for all of us too.. cheers
@KedarnathGupta
@KedarnathGupta Жыл бұрын
Love this conversation and the previous episode. Please do book recco videos with both Kunal and Sanjay in they just recommend books for us to read. They cover so much in this video I'm really curious about their reading list now.
@imrankhanpathan1470
@imrankhanpathan1470 Жыл бұрын
Link for the previous episode please
@JB-dw7oy
@JB-dw7oy Жыл бұрын
You guys are so on point about sadhguru, he is such a con artist and so in Baba Ramdev and Deepak Chopra
@sureel69
@sureel69 Жыл бұрын
See sanjay sir We can't predict position and speed of particle at simultaneously ... Now 📚 " Science is not made to fulfill humans ego need but religion can "
@nateshiyer2918
@nateshiyer2918 Жыл бұрын
Amazing speakers love them, Sanjay is so good and Kunal is always the best
@korangaps
@korangaps Жыл бұрын
Love the episode... Unique conversation... And now I am going to subscribe...
@deepakmanchanda5196
@deepakmanchanda5196 Жыл бұрын
I want 3rd episode on youtube 😌 Tumhe jo paise kamane hai Advertisement laga lo is 30 minute ki video p.. Mh add skip nhi karunga
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Paise to Mai bhi nai de sakta . Keval newsance ke liye poora subscription kyu
@kaushalendramanav9209
@kaushalendramanav9209 Жыл бұрын
First - india king Chola of the south invaded East Aisa kingdom situated in modern Indonesia and Malaysia and used the precolonial practice . Second - Gupta king Chandragupta 2 cross india to attack Huna . The north western Indian ruler of Sahi kabul attack outside India. So please stop the Rona that Indian never invaded any country
@rprasannakumar
@rprasannakumar Жыл бұрын
Cholas were Shivaites and do you see East Asian countries having huge temples for Lord Shiva or sharing cultural practices that are similar to Tamils ..... They might have expanded their kingdom which was the way the world functioned back then ... but it didn't result in total annihilation of local culture and traditions ...
@aham_sam
@aham_sam Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I agree. But technically it was not India. India is only 75 years old. These kingdoms you talking about were known as different countries back then.
@aham_sam
@aham_sam Жыл бұрын
@@pakoochavo8696 there is a difference between annexation and invasion. Sikkim was gifted by Bhutan, it was neither annexation nor invasion. Kashmir signed a treaty with India for annexation, bit Pakistan invaded the Kashmir after that and technically they are occupying half of it till date.
@adirockerenator
@adirockerenator Жыл бұрын
Pretty amazing discussion .. @Kunal Kamra @Sanjay .. you guys should go a little deeper on why Sadhguru is not a spiritual guru or whatever critique you guys have..it will be a very interesting discussion too
@ayyubchaudhary7233
@ayyubchaudhary7233 Жыл бұрын
I'm believer but I liked, लोगो के छाती पर बैठ बैठ कर आप अपने belief बता रहे हो.
@TheTrueRationalist
@TheTrueRationalist Жыл бұрын
Kamra is progressing towards Buddhism & Buddha's thoughts good for him... It feels great to see Sanjay wearing 'Jai bhim' wrist band and Kamra moving towards Buddhism... Combine both... read Dr B R Ambedkar and you will get to know some answers...
@trendingoninternet6642
@trendingoninternet6642 Жыл бұрын
Newslaundry is so good that I feel guilty for skipping their in video ads.
@PranavKumar-dd2xo
@PranavKumar-dd2xo Жыл бұрын
Buddho ki respect WHAT A TOPIC MAN In fact both the topics Much needed specially for Indian societies
@rishabh4683
@rishabh4683 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay sir ne 11th and 12th class ki physics chemistry aaj summarise kardi bohot bohot dhanyabad
@priyankabiswas7171
@priyankabiswas7171 Жыл бұрын
me in my 20s: sanjay Me in my 30s: Sanjay- energy for debating Ye bhi theek hain. 👍
@jay_chavan
@jay_chavan Жыл бұрын
one wise solution, really '"they should exchange their books regularly"...then we got harmony
@holup977
@holup977 Жыл бұрын
Ok but the idea of a Hindu Muslim Book club is very funny to me lol
@tt-zb1rl
@tt-zb1rl Жыл бұрын
Your aap is not performing payment bhe nahe ho raha and Apple ID se iam not able to login
@salmakhan7141
@salmakhan7141 Жыл бұрын
Great respect & Great grand salute to both of these gentlemen from hyderabad 🌹🌹🌹
@anamikayadav7
@anamikayadav7 Жыл бұрын
Sanjay killed it ❤‍🔥
@yashjaiswal573
@yashjaiswal573 Жыл бұрын
Couldnt understand if the topic was “religion vs science” or “religion is uncivilised”. Could have been better ! But a good podcast if topic is not taken into account.
@krishnanandpatel958
@krishnanandpatel958 Жыл бұрын
A large organisation can't be helpful for any individual, particularly, it's those individuals that takes help from that organisations. Some don't need that, but they grow same, so it's up to every individual for grow in there own path. If they want to be.
@GeniusA007
@GeniusA007 Жыл бұрын
Apart from everything like kunal kamra sanjay rajoura newslaundry is a benchmark for any other media houses...great YEAH BHI THIK HAI.
@abhishekbarua360
@abhishekbarua360 Жыл бұрын
Paise deke tou aajkal kuch milta nahi..dollar he hai..sahi pakre hai sanjay ji.i feel bad that i cant watch it on youtube
@hey8958
@hey8958 Жыл бұрын
The friend's dadaji joke at the end by Kunal was hilarious 🤣🤣... 33:06
@gypsysoul6965
@gypsysoul6965 Жыл бұрын
Bro if someone is getting inner peace from anything if he is religious or not ...if a person is praying or even is non religious for his inner peace ,why should it even matter ...the fact of the matter is whatever the thinking of the individual is ,in the end it should satisfy you within
@sahagoutam
@sahagoutam Жыл бұрын
Both are awesome, wait and watch, it will grow on you slowly
@GeniusA007
@GeniusA007 Жыл бұрын
Great these conversations gives us clarity we just need to be petient Thanks again to newslaundry
@alamrahmat629
@alamrahmat629 Жыл бұрын
My two favorite stand up comedian in one frame, thanks❤🌹🙏 newslaundry
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he
@VARUNSINGH-ri2he Жыл бұрын
Ye dekhne se Deen kharab na ho jayega ??
@amanshukla75227
@amanshukla75227 Жыл бұрын
Allha ke maa bahen eak karte hein ye log aur tum
@android5985
@android5985 Жыл бұрын
New idea :- "0" religion 🔶 "Do what ever u want to do within ur countries contitution/law" ⏩ no any other rules,no any guru, no baba, nono mulla,nono father. ⏩ no mandir ,no masjid,no church.
@filmytape8244
@filmytape8244 Жыл бұрын
😀👍👍👍 big thumbs up.. let's start
@android5985
@android5985 Жыл бұрын
@@filmytape8244 i m alredy follow that. I dont practice any religion..but respecting all religion.
@filmytape8244
@filmytape8244 Жыл бұрын
@@android5985 so this should be in the form of religion.. there will be no rules,no priest, no mandir , masjid etc. . Do whatever you like , obviously within law, eat whatever you want,
@filmytape8244
@filmytape8244 Жыл бұрын
@@android5985 I also follow same but there should be a community, not just individual identity
@stillunknown5785
@stillunknown5785 Жыл бұрын
@@android5985 I was an atheist untill i realised that I am God
@nihitendrasingh2423
@nihitendrasingh2423 Жыл бұрын
Why are we comparing science and spirituality, science deals with physical form of life while spirituality deals with non-physical form of living. They are 2 separate entities which should be co-existing as a whole. Religion is a total different fascade humans have been living in trying to find the common grounds between science and spirituality.
@thecannabis
@thecannabis Жыл бұрын
I hope my comments reach to Abhinandan or Kunal. Apart from all this I liked the conversation. Going to subscribe news laundry. Thank You.
@shilpasharma459
@shilpasharma459 Жыл бұрын
Newslaundry always for the win ❤️🙌
@Jackwesker3232
@Jackwesker3232 Жыл бұрын
Just Brilliant Stuff !! ..... Sanjay Rajoura gave an articulate explanation @ 10:00 that even non-scientific students can understand what Quantum mechanics is and how it works. 🐱 #Schrodingercat.🐈
@AnirimaGhosh
@AnirimaGhosh Жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved the sentence spiritually gave birth to india. India is only 75 years old. It’s become a trend to say Mughals invaded india.. Islam invaders in India.. the last Indian ruler… India truly just 75 years old…❤️❤️
@bothraabhinav
@bothraabhinav Жыл бұрын
How many episodes will there be.. ye bhi to disclose karo...
@A.A.
@A.A. Жыл бұрын
"Spirituality is the reason we never invaded" how? Our history is full of wars long before the Muslim invaders. Patriotism and facts cannot sit together, but the truth is ancient Akhand Bharat was not the outcome of offering garlands but the Ashvmeghyagya-like invasions. I know this can't be said publicly without public outrage, even by Kunal.
@hasibahmed8598
@hasibahmed8598 Жыл бұрын
I found my interest back into quantum physics. Now I want learn again
@apoorvashekhawat6741
@apoorvashekhawat6741 Жыл бұрын
Same man
@nosin5124
@nosin5124 Жыл бұрын
Maybe science is not, but the scientific world is very rigid. I feel we always try to move from fluid to rigidity and once we find the rigidity we can conform to, we become rigid and then we resist all efforts to look for another level of rigidity as for that we have to wade through fluidity again. Don't know if this makes sense. Totally love Sanjay Rajoura's analysis!
@Dr.PrettyPsychiatrist
@Dr.PrettyPsychiatrist Жыл бұрын
Cataract is the third biggest cause of blindness, Religion and Politics being the first two !
@ParamveerSingh-zv4hj
@ParamveerSingh-zv4hj Жыл бұрын
Your comment deserve more likes. Well said!!😂
@Dr.PrettyPsychiatrist
@Dr.PrettyPsychiatrist Жыл бұрын
@@ParamveerSingh-zv4hj thank you
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