Ye Olde Tactical: A Vintage Riot Shotgun w/ Nydar 47 Optic

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All that is tactical is not necessarily new...and this shotgun is a perfect example. It was put together by a Tucson police officer in the late 1940s or early 1950s, and has all the elements of a very modern "tactical" combat shotgun. It is a Remington Model 11 semiauto shotgun (a licensed copy of the Browning Auto-5). It is fitted with a Parsons 2-round magazine extension (for a total of 7+1 capacity), a barrel from a Remington 11R (20" cylinder choke) and a Nydar Model 47 reflex sight.
That Nydar sight is a really cool example of an early optical sight, developed form aircraft gunnery sights used during World War Two. It uses no batteries, and reflects an aiming circle into a large front lens. By modern standards it is a pretty dim reticle, but it was absolutely state of the art in the late 1940s, and allowed the same sort of rapid both-eyes-open shooting that modern red dot sights do.
Thanks to the Bear Arms Reference Collection in Scottsdale AZ for access to this very cool shotgun!
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[@rudukai13]

If only the officer who assembled this could see how revolutionary his vision truly was. I imagine, somewhere, the man is filled with pride, elbowing his former patrol partner and saying “I told you so.”

[@Swindle1984]

He was the early 1950's version of Tackleberry.

[@e2rqey]

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@nicholashodges201]

He probably did. The 40's really wasn't that long ago. The last members of my family who were adults then just died in 2010 and he was old enough to have been an active duty (rookie) officer in '48

[@dogevanzandt2889]

Blows my mind that a majority of people don't think this way

[@educatedfool5121]

Ah the Nydar 47, the optic that Activision somehow thought saw service on every rifle in WW2 XD

[@OperatorMax1993]

Yeah.. Also don't trust that wierdo bot

[@mandocats]

When a game made to be fun and never to be historically accurate isn't historically accurate

[@MilesstyleX]

@@mandocats They called it the “Most immersive WW2 game.”

[@haroldbalzac6336]

@@mandocats Except the game isn't fun.

[@mandocats]

@@haroldbalzac6336 agreed there

[@TheWalterHWhite]

Can we all just appreciate how he continues to produce high quality videos without tons of filler.

[@speelydan]

Can you imagine Gun Jesus going, "But before we get to the gun, let's talk about this video's sponsor, RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!" 🤣

[@slashdotism]

@@speelydan I'm 100% sure he's gotten the offer

[@elgostine]

@@slashdotism im pretty sure half of youtube has gotten it... but i wont begrudge any youtube people who take their offer because RAID pays BANK apparently

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Only like 3 times every day.

[@hquiller]

@@ForgottenWeapons Many thanks Ian, for keeping your videos clean.

[@mrtlsimon]

This has to be one of the coolest Forgotten Weapons episodes. I want to build a clone one of these badly. It just looks cool!!

[@sanandreasthegoldenknight5207]

After this video, everybody wants the same Lol

[@matty6848]

You should have a go Simon. Do you think you could build one if you can get your hands on the gear?

[@Big_Bump]

Yeah, I think if someone made this right now It would sell well.

[@zombieslayer7759]

Oh, same here dude. This thing is super cool.

[@Noeland]

Yup me too. I built out an older 870 with a weaver qwik point sight, a carlsons mag extension and an old leather sling. I like to call that my retro tactical. But it pales in coolness comparison to this beast. And holy crap Bert Parsons was so far ahead of his time making those extensions. I love that style.

[@maroman556]

Imagine what a Tackleberry this guy must have been considered by his police positive bucket holster fellow officers.

[@greylocke100]

Actually that style of sight was used by other Departments. I have seen them in the St Louis County Police Academy Armory, back in the '90's.

[@jackl45]

"Say John, why you got all those do dads on your scattergun?"

[@MandoWookie]

Dude was 3 alternate dimensions ahead of everyone else.

[@tucolalo8251]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine cringe

[@tomaspabon2484]

It never ocurred to me that "Tackleberry" could be nouned

[@HughesEnterprises]

There were a bunch of these made by a gunsmith in Alaska in the 1970’s. He called them the 7-11. Cut down to 18”Model 11 with a Choate +2 tube

[@anthonyburke5656]

In the early days of Vietnam a few of the troops went deer hunting in New Zealand, instead of to the flesh pits of Hong Kong or Thailand etc. there were very big Wapiti stags in NZ. The “find” was that the professionals/guides in NZ were using this very new “Laser” sight. It was a red dot sight. A few Red Dots were bought and taken back to SVN, this was before M16s were being issued, so they were used on M2 and M14 at first. Once seen, everyone in SOG wanted one and soon a thriving trade developed, then the manufacturer got involved. Never did fit one to a Pig though!

[@Hornbyhenry]

That’s really interesting. Do you know what type of red dots they were? I’d like to do a bit more reading into this

[@bibfortuna298]

that's interesting, but I'm going to need more info. I'm kinda sketpical

[@jeremygreynemo2762]

The story is apocryphal. But the sight is very real. It would be the Single-Point an occluded red dot site with a customized tritium vial with a big16 MOA but much of a muchness when you're CQB in the dark. Commercially available. Used in the Son Tay Raid.

[@pickelsvx]

​@@jeremygreynemo2762From what I read it was LC-7-40 ring sights being used in NZ at that time.

[@Logan-zp8bi]

@@bibfortuna298 Same, this wouldn't be the first time someone has lied in the comments lol. I'll never forget the kid that tried to claim his grandfather used a modified bar gun during ww2, because the mags were so short they modded them to be belt fed...

[@greylocke100]

St. Louis County Police have several shotguns with Nydar or Nydar style sights. Or they did back in the '90's when I was going through my yearly training. They had them stored in the Academy Armory. I was wondering why they had those shotguns racked sideways and one of the armored pulled one out to show me. All he knew about the sight was it was installed on 25 shotguns the Sheriff's department purchased directly from Remington back in the mid to late 1950's. That was from before the scandals and the County Police were formed to take over the Sheriff's Dept duties except for Court and Corrections matters.

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

i mean I can't see why they'd have gotten rid of them, at most a few probably followed officers home

[@1lovesoni]

@@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming that's a common phenomenon in many armory stockpiles, the guns get attached to those who care for them and sometimes get unofficially adopted.

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

@@1lovesoni i mean, less paperwork than disposal probably, few years there will probably be a few mp5s Thompsons doing the same once the NFA is behind us

[@spiff2268]

Well don’t leave us in suspense! What was the scandal?

[@greylocke100]

@@spiff2268 the Sheriff's Office was run by the old boy network. Prisoners getting lost or not logged in, almost 3/4 of the department were triple K members including the chief deputy and the sheriff himself. Lots of money had been misappropriated, imbezzled, stolen. People who had paid fines weren't properly credited and had warrants issued on them. Others were basically strong armed and ripped off. The state highway patrol finally stepped in and the County Board of Commissioners had a new county police department formed to take the place of the Sheriff's department except for court duties and corrections. And also switched many of the office types to paid civilian employees who worked directly for the County instead of the Sheriff's department. It was a very big scandal at the time.

[@Beazabull]

Benelli m4 with Aimpoint red dot: "We stand on the shoulders of giants"

[@kaveman9]

And you can still replicate it today for just a few hundred dollars. Probably not after this video, but Nydars have been available on the sites for under a hundred and Brownings and Remingtons are also fairly inexpensive. I think the mag extension is the only part you may have to dig for.

[@hquiller]

I bought two Nydar sights with the original box for 25 bucks each. One even has the leather glass protector.

[@supersarge24]

@@hquiller MAN I wish I had known about these before the incoming price jump.

[@hquiller]

@@supersarge24 Everything is more expensive, because many people are learning about this things. I saw a FW video about this sight years ago, and went looking and found two sights very cheap on ebay. If you keep looking, maybe you'll get one two. Right now there's one on ebay, not as cheap as the ones I bought, but it's complete.

[@hailexiao2770]

Nordic Comp still sells Auto-5 mag extensions for reasonable prices.

[@gregdaweson4657]

@@supersarge24 Put it on your buy list and wait a few years.

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

Remember, hitting a striking worker with your baton is faster than reloading.

[@BeingFireRetardant]

Pinkerton dark humor best humor... "Get back to the mines, or we'll raise prices at the company store..."

[@simonpharand7427]

Relflex sights existed in the 40’s!? Damn Ian you keep teaching me with all your quality content

[@richie_0740]

looks like Call of Duty doesnt pull everything out of their ass when it comes to red dots in ww2 games

[@scarecrow2097]

@@richie_0740 it kinda still is because the sight is post WW2. It will be like teleporting an AK47 into the hands of the Soviet Army and calling it historically accurate because it came out two years later.

[@vincentriver3017]

@@richie_0740 not everything, but >90%. The Nydar sight in question appeared on the market shortly after the war, in the mid-late autumn, and never got used by the army even in the following conflicts. As for the pistol mounted reflex sights, hybrid scopes, tacticool reloads - yeah, never happened.

[@izperehoda]

Do you guys really expect an arcade shooter to be historically accurate? It's made to be engaging and similar to modern warfare 2019. You guys are just nerds.

[@vincentriver3017]

@@izperehoda some, maybe. Don't see nothing wrong with clarifying that something isn't real when it isn't. Or you got a problem when some enthusiasts want to clear up a confusion?

[@Driveby-Viktum]

I bought a Remington 870 from a gentleman a few years back. The gun was manufactured in August 1968 (original barrel was intact , hence serial number, it also had a second barrel provided). I had a Nydar sight screwed into the top of the receiver. I removed it , but i kept all of the parts and put them away in a zip-lock bag. I'm glad I did! This is the first time I have seen one of these in the wild other than my own. THANK YOU for finding this and showing it !!

[@davidgoodnow269]

I hope you put a couple of dehumidifier packets in the bag with the Nydar.

[@astrosloth6342]

never thought id see a reflex sight from the 40s

[@discerningscoundrel3055]

Reflex sights were invented in 1900, in Ireland. There's a photo out there of one mounted on a Lee action rifle that also has old-fashioned volley sights.

[@sanandreasthegoldenknight5207]

Reflex sights has been used on the Battlefield of small ops since the 1st Cold War era, they existed before that, but never used by soldiers on both WW1 and WW2

[@drone521]

I have a Ithaca m37 that was my father's. It's fitted with a nydar sight and another must have of that period, a poly choke adjustable choke. Because of the ability to lead using the outer circle, I believe they were banned early on in trap and skeet competition . They worked very well and gave users an unfair advantage at the time. Thanks Ian

[@jessecato6815]

I think the reply to you is a scam. I think Ian said anything like that reply is not him and is a phishing scam.be careful

[@davidgoodnow269]

I miss my dad's Remington 870 Trap Gun that he inherited, it had the Deluxe Poly-Choke. An excellent product, that. When he died, one sister insisted that I not be allowed to inherit his guns, as the will stated, and instead insisted that his friend Albert hold them while the will was probated. Albert disappeared with the guns. Come to think of it, that 870 was tapped for a Nydar, he showed the sight to me. I wonder what happened to it?

[@derweibhai]

I built a number of these from A-5's. I used one on duty till I got my 1301. They are a heavy tank, but reliable and awesome!

[@kevinfitzpatrick5949]

I have a 1301 as well, love that thing

[@ComThomadJr]

Gotta love the Browning A5

[@acomingextinction]

Big tactical shout-out to the wise collector who decided to leave both the Nydar and the shotgun intact, instead of permanently modifying them in pursuit of a better fit. That's foresight right there.

[@AshleyPomeroy]

Well, actually, the sight is mounted on the receiver. I'll get my coat.

[@conmcgrath7174]

@@AshleyPomeroy Dangit, I was just about to make a similar comment (not foresight, rearsight when I checked the reply. Ha ha ha, I'm just so very hilarious. Cool gun though.

[@acomingextinction]

​@@AshleyPomeroy never leave for making an A+ pun like that.

[@stonefree1911]

That sight is absolutely amazing considering when it was made/developed. That would work to this day.

[@davidgoodnow269]

Of course it would. Physics is physics!

[@adammanning8882]

Without knowing it, I’ve been collecting pieces to build something exactly like this. I wanted a tactical shotgun, but built with 1940s/50s era parts. I already have a Model 11, and now I have the perfect template

[@Predalien195]

Can sometimes find Nydar's and proper mounts on Ebay for around $200-ish.

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

Let us pause for a moment and appreciate the badassery of the officer that commissioned this piece of tactical savagery.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Barney Fife going tactical... 😏

[@kevinsullivan3448]

@@WALTERBROADDUS Andy would have taken it away from him.

[@kirkmooneyham]

I guess you knew the officer, so you can shit talk him? Oh, wait, no you didn't, you just want to slam someone that's probably not even alive anymore.

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

@@kirkmooneyham Where am I talking ish or slamming anyone. Is it your time of the month?

[@jic1]

@@kirkmooneyham Who was shit-talking the officer exactly?

[@zagboygamez5930]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Forgotten Weapons presents: Call of Duty Vanguard

[@derkommissar4986]

WW2

[@otsoheinonen9682]

And Battlefield 1

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Eh, this feels better.

[@InsertHandleHereYo]

Not even close, no drum mag, no cutted stock, no Thompson foregrip, no BMG cartridge 0/10

[@Thememeguy1111]

And bf 1

[@comradequicheairsoft2742]

I’m sure someone’s mentioned this already, but the baseplate mount for the Nydar is on backwards. Which is why the upper portion is not fitting right/flush. The little detail with the three screws in a line should be on the back side. Luckily the top comes off easily with just a thumb screw revealing the receiver mounting screws beneath. Such a cool sight! Love it on that shotgun.

[@2packrm781]

The Nydar sight is the real star of the upload & it's so cool that this was mounted onto a shutgun for police service. Just wow😱

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

It's so cool to me there were Nydars around being used for more than just sporting range shooting. Makes me kind of amazed out of all the wacky bullshit tried with cold war prototypes, I've never seen any weird reflex sights and similar optics among all the insanity. Someone had to have thought of it right? If this random cop saw the usage of it surely it at least crossed the mind of the kind of people coming up with triple barreled assault rifles and that phosphorus sensor or whatever that thing they had in Vietnam was

[@37thgungrunts]

First one that comes to mind is the EM2 in '48

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

@@37thgungrunts Oh really? i always thought that was a more normal kind of optic

[@Predalien195]

Well it's not that people didn't try to develop things like it or make it better, just the time and tech weren't there yet for the most part. The thing with the Nydar as Ian said is it's dependent on ambient light... So low light/darkness it's not much use. Tritium sights would later become a thing but not until the 60's, and the first red dots in the modern sense as we know them were rather large, bulky, and didn't last long at all. So, it's not that people likely didn't recognize it's value, just it wasn't practical for the era. Kind of like how when Blu-Ray came around. It wasn't until about 5-6 years later that it essentially fully replaced DVD's on the market. People who were into that sort of thing saw all the massive advantages Blu-Ray offered over standard DVD format and even HD-DVD format but crap was expensive and options were limited. Same thing applies to this topic I believe. So yeah, I'm quite positive people saw the pro's of these things but until something better could be developed most people went without it.

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

@@Predalien195 The time and tech not being there never stopped the wacky projects before, neither have silly thinks like working in all environments, or even simply working for that matter. I'm not talking about average every day use, I'm talking about wacky concepts that never left the ground or barely saw usage when they did your federovs, your SPIWs etc These reflex sights just seem comically up that specific alley to me

[@Predalien195]

@@Ezekiel_Allium Well what I said was that it likely didn't stop the developments of such things. We just never saw them because they either didn't pan out at all and never got past a certain stage or they evolved into the things we did end up seeing. Like I said, tech not being there probably played a much larger role in things, either people hit a wall they couldn't pass until the tech changed to open the door or they never got off the ground at all and thus nobody ever heard of it because it was a literal dead end. So again, I'm quite sure plenty of people tried things like that. We'll just never know where they ended up if they ended up anywhere.

[@kellyalger2394]

This is a post-war holosun made with 1 steel, 1glass, and 1 nuclear material.

[@DeadlyBreath9790]

Which came from a can, beer bottle, and an alarm clock

[@TerryDowne]

I am very interested in mid 20th century American police weapons, and this is just a fantastic example of how advanced some of those guns were. With this thing and a Remington 81 Police Model in the squad car, two officers could face down a mob with no problem. Thanks a lot for showing this piece.

[@matsgustavsson665]

I was hoping for a repeat of the "In the name of United Fruit, cease and desist". Would have awesome to see Ian anti-rioting a paper target with direct fire from that shotgun :D

[@BeingFireRetardant]

I wonder how many people even get that joke... "In the interests of National City Bank, Smedley wants your coffee..."

[@centurian318]

@@BeingFireRetardant “Banana Republic” “War is a racket!”

[@BeingFireRetardant]

@@centurian318 Love it when a plan comes together...

[@silverbullet7434]

I have a Remington model11 just like that only with the war parkerised finish .I was told it was used to teach navy men how to shoot at air craft using clay pigeons.

[@Hoodlum3621]

This is one of the coolest vintage shotguns I've ever seen. Thank you Ian.

[@PenumbranWolf]

That is one of my favorite looking shotguns. The squared off rear with the wood furniture gives it just enough character to stand out.

[@bingethinker791]

Great video! I recently got a Browning Auto-5 built in 1919. Added a Nordic +5 extension/spring, swapped the barrel to a cylinder bore with vintage select choke, and slapped on synthetic furniture. It’s now my Auto-10. Who needs a “modern” boomstick? 😀

[@SuperiorAutocraft]

The Auto 5 in my safe is chuckling nervously.

[@gaymansupreme]

Half expected a Ithaca 37 Stakeout.

[@patrickbroza]

The issue you have with the sight fitting to the base is because the base is mounted backwards. Those three screws that are currently in the front of the base are actually the elevation screws for the Nydar and should be in the rear.

[@codygranrud6212]

Shotgun Shooters made great aviator gunners due to leading the targets, it's fascinating to see aviation gunnery then influence the Shotgun... rad.

[@terrysmith7751]

Good point. Maybe the maker was a veteran and learned something about the sight in the war.

[@dustyak79]

Imagine trying to find all the stuff back in the day sure they advertised but you still had to find the right magazines newspaper or catalog.

[@308dad8]

Remington Model 11 is the first shotgun I ever fired. I was maybe 9 or 10 and it was 12ga with a cutz compensator so it was actually manageable. Always had a soft spot for it. Was traveling a couple years ago and found one at a Cabela’s in Nebraska and bought it. They had 2 and I exercised a LOT of self discipline by only leaving with 1 instead of both.

[@ballbby3775]

I love this channel so much, so much history can be told in just firearms alone.

[@dewayneweaver2744]

It looks like my older brother Robert Browning his didn't have the extented tube and sight, but it had 2 barrals and two chokes. So you hunt any game with it including two-legged varmints. I miss him😢. This is the only Forgotten Weapons video that made me 😢 cry.

[@matthewhuntingtonb]

Nydar 47 optic is pure love! Thank you Ian for featuring an historic treasure! 😀

[@dougler500]

Super, super cool. Would love to see more of these old optics in the future. Many are truly forgotten!

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Great information you provided, Ian! Thanks for your never-ending efforts to share your knowledge

[@jeffm68]

I knew that reflex sights originated on WW2 aircraft, but I had no idea anyone had adapted them to firearms so early. If asked 7 minutes ago, I'd have sworn it didn't happen until the 1980s. I always learn something on your channel.

[@doordieace5high]

I've been watching since before you even had a proper intro or theme song for your videos. As an avid history buff who loves old military equipment, your videos are a great pleasure to watch. Thanks, Ian.

[@joseyf383]

Great content. I love these old browning designs. The receiver is very close to a BAR and rem model 8

[@hquiller]

I have two of those sights! One for a curved receiver, like the shotgun in the video, and another for a side-by-side shotgun. The difference is the base of the sight. Haven't installed them yet.

[@elichristenson2952]

Crazy how close this is to a lot of modern fighting shotguns for 1940. Very ahead of its time

[@Vares65]

I love when Ian finds stuff like this and shares it with us. Thanks man!

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

very cool. Looks like a C-more red dot!

[@KillrMillr7]

Nice, love the huge sight ring, perfect for distinguishing targets quickly. Just wonder about the loads of the time.

[@shawnr771]

Probably Buckshot and more Buckshot. If it was me the last two in the tube would slugs. If you have already fired 5 buckshot rounds and the assailant is still fighting.a couple of slugs to finish the job.

[@1nfamyX]

I like it too

[@johnplaid648]

Things must have been hot in old Tucson town.

[@stump713]

I still have my Model 11 with 2 barrels and leg of mutton case. Carried it with a riot barrel on patrol for a few years in the 90’s until I got department issued a shotgun. Such a great all around shotgun.🇺🇸

[@davidmcleod6032]

The Browning also had a magazine cut off that makes swapping in alternative rounds easier.

[@davidmcleod6032]

But the long recoil system in general doesn't cycle specialty rounds well if the rounds don't generate sufficient recoil.

[@brianleverich4467]

I think You can change the bushings for lighter shells but have to break it down to do that in the a- 5

[@davidmcleod6032]

Yes, two rings on the magazine tube. One can be flipped around to either bevel side or flat side in contact with the other ring for either magnum or field loads. My father hunted with one for decades, killed my first deer with it, and he often switched loads in the field using the switch. Carried #6 in a pocket for squirrel or rabbit if deer hunting with buckshot in the gun or vice versa. Just don't get confused on which as there was this one rabbit he hit with buckshot, lol.

[@bryangrote8781]

Grandad had an Auto-5 and was the best shotgunner I’ve ever seen. Wanted a gun like his but couldn’t afford an A-5, but my freshman year in high school I found a Model 11 for $150. You can flip around the friction rings for different power loads but I found mine would shoot both light game loads and high brass shells just fine w/o changing anything. It eats everything and never jams. Also doesn’t get dirty like gas operated ones. All you need to do is swab out the barrel. I don’t bird hunt much now due to cost so for years have thought about turning it into a combat shotgun because they are probably the most rugged and reliable auto shotgun ever designed and run forever w/o fail. Unfortunately parts needed for this conversion are very hard to find and never seen them for a fair price.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@davidmcleod6032 more about the easy swap between buck and slug. Or the 2oz load of #6 shot to smack the crap out of the spinner.

[@zakat6778]

Вот есть какая то своя магия у этих пушек.

[@KnightOfFaraam]

Ian, thank you for your work. You are probably my favorite resource for historic and unique firearms on the internet. All of your videos are so well done and informative.

[@ronaldjohnson1474]

Imagine no batteries to fail. Of course, ambient light is necessary, but the concept is beautiful.

[@ztaylor0224]

One of my friends picked up a flaming bomb stamped remington riot gun that had a nydar sight on it we eventually found out it was issued to an MP for guard duty. Super cool gun

[@MagraveOfGA]

Would it be heresy to hunt down one of those extended tubes to stick on my 90YO Auto5?

[@patrickholt8782]

It’s cool as long as you keep your original parts

[@profosist]

Gotta get the double extended tube ;)

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

Out of curiosity I did a search. Found a few Nydar sights available. Not even a reference to a Parson's magazine expansion. Hmm...

[@darrell3391]

That is an awesome sight, wow had no idea this existed. Thanks Ian, you never disappoint!

[@alexknuth1698]

Nydar sights were made in my hometown of Glenview, Il. Recently inherited a couple when my father passed. Including one that's NIB!

[@AlexanderWunderlich82]

I've had one for years.. Trouble is, I need the mounting hardware portion of the sight. Any interest in selling one of them?

[@thegunfoogle2864]

Occasionally in my collecting model 11s I'll find an auto 5 lifter retrofitted.

[@jasonbernard4879]

I found a Remington 11 at a yard sale for 50 bucks like ten years ago. I'm still pissed I sold it later on. Such a fun range gun with that recoil system.

[@dewaldsteyn1306]

Pssed for it? Dont worry mate we all do dumb stuff sometimes, afterall my dad have a brno model 2 22lr rifle which have 2 magazines: a 5 and a ten. Now one day its spring got damaged from all the shooting, which is also happening with the 5 magazine rn, anyways my dad tried to fix it and broke it yet further and he simply threw it away lol, and hes also psed for doing that lol.

[@jacobdad2742]

That is so cool. Thanks for sharing Ian.

[@log4722]

Sir, you are absolutely GOATed in my book, been subbed for years and always enjoy

[@kodiakkeith]

Terrific! These must have come with a stamped steel cover to protect them while being banged around in the car, and if their experience is like mine the covers probably got lost pretty quick.

[@ulrichmachtle4864]

the beauty is in the simplicity, and you are right, the "reflex-visier" (that was german word for it back in the days) in the fighter aircrafts are the same. If you would give that puppy a new "clothing", it would still go like hot cookies I suppose..

[@Darthdoodoo]

I have always wanted a red dot that doesn't use electronics and is just a glass lense with no magnification and a thick etched cross hair and dot in the middle. Simplicity is king

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

Classic Forgotten Weapons footage. Great work, Maestro.

[@jereynolds_9977]

I want it so bad. Been looking at getting a humpback shotgun with a short barrel and A magazine extension

[@thegunfoogle2864]

The model 11 fits modern Remington 870 extensions since they still use the same threads 100+ years later. Make sure the extension you choose has a wide base to support the handguard.

[@HunterGargoyle]

I always wanted a Nydar 47 optic, i'm not the biggest fan of optics in general i'm an Iron Sights only guy but the Nydar is cool as hell and makes me want it for historical purposes more than anything

[@STLUlrich]

I have one of these from my grandfather. Now to get a browning!

[@KD-lb9bg]

Simply outstanding, thanks for sharing this with us.

[@REALdavidmiscarriage]

crown and king anyone?

[@scruffguitar2]

I would love a reproduction of that nidar sight

[@hquiller]

Check ebay. Bought two from there.

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

There are a few available right now on the various auction sights. Not as expensive as I imagined.

[@hquiller]

@@nucleargrizzly1776 I'm pretty sure they aren't expensive, because most people don't know what they are. Same happened to milsurp guns before video games came out.

[@zigmogcreator]

That is an amazing piece of weaponry. The sight are like nothing I've seen before. Keep up the good work

[@samham3408]

Wow thanks so much Ian, this is a brilliant example of why I love the channel, no one would believe this exists.

[@grifter3680]

If john wick took place in the 1950s, this gun would 100% be recommended to him by the sommolier "Good afternoon Mr. Wick, here we have the Remington Model 11, customised with a parsons extended magazine and a shortened riot barrel for close quarters lethality. Naturally, I'm sure you're already familiar with the nydar 47 reflex mounted on it. An american classic."

[@ForgottenWeapons]

John Wick 6 will should be a prequel about Wick's grandfather... ;)

[@RJ-wx3fh]

@@ForgottenWeapons "I just get a feeling those pesky Russians will do something to my grandson's dog...."

[@jonathanferguson1211]

@@ForgottenWeapons Well, they did basically that with Kingsman. I wouldn't be too surprised. As long as they use period shooting techniques (point shooting!), maybe some Bartitsu, I'm down for it.

[@Roblecop]

And here I thought Call of Duty just kind of fudged the existence of reflex sights during the 1940's. I remember watching someone play World at War and they had a sight very similar to this on a M1 Carbine. I thought, "They didn't have reflex sights back then! Why screw with history like that?" Now I doubt the military ever issued sights like this, but they did exist apparently. That's so cool!! If any Soldiers or Marines ever did have a sight like this and used it in theater, that's a story I'd love to hear lol

[@bubba200874426]

They still didn't authorize support based on number of kills. (Trying to make CoD anything but an arcade arena shooter is what's ruined it.)

[@joshbaker2437]

That sight is one of the coolest bits of history I've seen in a long time. And your right it makes the gun look really cool

[@JesusvonNazaret]

that's one of the coolest vintage sights I've seen on the internet so far

[@GrafSau]

Its one of the most beautiful shotguns ever made. Thats why i have nearly 30k kills on Bf V with it( i think it s almost the same as the 12g from Bf V) Would love to have one of these Babys, unfortunatly im from Germany 😅😭

[@GrafSau]

@IN MINECRAFT im german so im used to freeze and i like the cold. Where are you from my friend?

[@DarkestVampire92]

True, tactical optics were available in the 1940s... this doesnt help Battlefield V in any way though because as the name suggests it came out in 1947, NOT in 1945 or earlier. So, no need to feel shame, Ian, its a fantastic piece and its a shame its so rare, i'd love to see how it actually performs in action.

[@earl_r1863]

Another prime example would be COD: Vanguard but i don't think that one is still even a ww2 game anymore

[@sanandreasthegoldenknight5207]

COD Vanguard have the same problem Lol

[@garmgarmgarm494]

Despite the name, the Model 47 was actually from 1945. Granted, still after the war ended so Battlefield and Call of Duty aren't off the hook.

[@McBanditHope]

So if we ever get that Korean war game (never happening) THEN we'll come to the defense, yeah? XD

[@DarkestVampire92]

@@McBanditHope God, i've been waiting for a Korean War game for ages now. There are SO MANY untapped, virgin wars for Call of Duty, Battlefield, Rising Storm et cetera to claim, but they all shy away from being controversial and perhaps losing access to one market or another.

[@dougscott8161]

Happy New Year, Ian, Thank You for showing us this "ancient" 1940's Riot Gun. I've never heard of the Nydar Optic sight before, but it obviously fits and belongs on this delightfull old Riot Gun. God Bless and stay safe.💯🔥🔱

[@JoeyJame]

1940s "riot gun" = gun used to murder black people for daring to ask for rights

[@baker2328]

Homeboy was well ahead of his time

[@Larry-jf4jm]

Very interesting. Like to target shoot my ruger mark2 with an old style red dot scope. It looks like a large scope. The new red dots are similar to the Nydar47. I am real curious how rugged are these sights on a combat weapon. It looks like if they may be effected by a hard hit. For my 1911 I still prefer iron sights. Bottom line how sturdy are these sights really?

[@APage-hn6cz]

"New" micro red dots like the Trijicon RMR are absolute tanks. I trust mine to take any type of drop and use it against barriers to action the slide on one hand malfunction drills. Buy once cry once

[@ScottKenny1978]

Rugged enough that SEALs and Delta are using them.

[@hidetakke]

こんな昔にリフレックスサイトが存在していたとは驚き

[@ScottRuggels]

反射視力は1900年に発明されました。昭和初期から戦闘機に使用されていました。 この反射原理の実装は1947年からのものです。ホログラフィックサイトは、別のプリズムの必要性を排除しました。

[@hidetakke]

@@ScottRuggels Thank you for your explanation! I've seen zero fighter's sight in Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

[@ScottRuggels]

@@hidetakke Exactly, and that was a License copy of what the Germans had been doing for two year previously. Nakajima, continued to use a Telescopic style sight, that was much less efficient, compared to reflector sights. The U.S. Nave 20mm Oerlikon AA guns, towards the end of the war had reflector sights as well.

[@reyalPRON]

Love the wait there sir Ian. :) makes it more interesting indeed.

[@b01tact10n]

Ian continues to impress me with his encyclopedic knowledge technologies that enhance tools that I use for my hunting needs😁 I'm just all smiles watching this video, pretty kewl learning something new.👍👍

[@nipplecream3099]

oh damn didn’t even realize i was this early till i clicked

[@BigBadBalrog]

I know the big first person shooter devs work really hard to make most of their assets at least feasible, if not realistic, for the time, but I had no idea the ubiquitous "WWII reflex sight" was real. How cool is that!

[@IIIVI]

They weren't produced until post ww2

[@jrggrop]

@@IIIVI They were produced in the war, but would only have been mounted on fixed anti-aircraft guns, not small arms.

[@comiketiger]

You do such a great job finding these snippets of innovation an also history! Thanks Ian. I love and appreciate your work. God bless all here.

[@lordtachanka80]

Always super neat to see these old optics

[@rizaradri316]

I thought it was a something done by a "heretic"

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

don’t let call of duty see this

[@chrishorne2740]

My Grandfathers A5+6 was used on the state prison farm as a 'Wall Gun'...When the prisoners acted up he would drop rock-salt or bird shot loads in the side and hand eject the spent shell. When he needed buck shot and slugs for riot control he would release the mag disconnect and have 10 rounds of lethal fire power. Best coyote and pig gun the family has ever used...

[@shitfart1459]

This is the best asmr channel on youtube

[@sanandreasthegoldenknight5207]

Before all fanboys of COD Vanguard get excited about this... remember, WW2 ends in 1945, 2 years before this ! The cursed guns from this game that you can mod still pure fantasy ! Wake up and come to Enlisted ! 😎👍

[@boymahina123]

The patents for the sight missed the war by just months, but point still stands

[@Punisher9419]

Sounds silly but one day I think it would be cool if you took a look at airsoft guns. They are mechanically rather interesting as they are very different to a real firearm.

[@abcdefghijkl123454]

could be a good april 1st video

[@TheMegaPingasMobile]

might as well showcase drones at that point. Hell why not show how cars and computers work, just put it all in there

[@J3TF1RE]

@@TheMegaPingasMobile What a moronic take. Airsoft guns are still ballistic items. Smaller, less powerful and different propellants but ballistic items nonetheless. A drone is not.

[@prinzalbatross9526]

​@@TheMegaPingasMobile Them: "Could we see a video about functioning, replica firearms?" You: "Might as well show things not even remotely firearms related." You should probably go see a doctor because you seem to have a case of the big dumb.

[@Askorti]

@@J3TF1RE The channel is called forgotten weapons, not forgotten toys. And for all the potential danger of some airsoft guns, they are just that, toys.

[@dxb338]

putting the cool back in tacti-cool

[@FutureSoup]

Super interesting video, the Auto 5 was revolutionary in itself, this combo makes it a very modern shotgun!