Yeah…Papyrus is PROBABLY the KNIGHT - Deltarune Theory

Out of all my theories, this is the one I believe in THE MOST. If you end up enjoying this video, make sure to like, comment, and subscribe!
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Means, Motive, and Opportunity
03:26 - Papyrus’ Motive
05:55 - Papyrus’ History of Being Manipulated
08:31 - Flowey vs. The Narrator Comparison
09:45 - Who is the Narrator?
10:47 - The Narrator and the Prophecy
12:37 - The Narrator’s Motive
14:30 - Shameless Plug
14:48 - Why did the Narrator Choose Papyrus?
18:23 - Outro
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[@TheSoph_]

Correction: I used the wrong word when I said Chara "manipulates" Frisk. What I meant to say was Chara "uses" Frisk.

[@axelinedgelord4459]

they share a meaning though?

[@HarambaeXelonmuskfans]

@@axelinedgelord4459 Severity

[@catdownthestreet]

Chara didn't use Frisk, either. How did you come to that conclusion???

[@LiaStarr]

Also: When you're done with the first chapter and talk to sans, sans says something like "thanks for hanging out with him" referring to Papyrus... Even though you haven't met him yet... :I Or maybe you have, and making those dark worlds was just like hanging out-- playing a game of DND, and Papyrus is the dungeon master.

[@salemmarz3809]

what… how is that better and even so not true

[@sleepy4evah]

this cant be true or all the fountains would be made out of burnt spaghetti

[@ohno6919]

And how do you know they're not, hmmm?

[@davisdf3064]

Did you taste a dark fountain to know if they aren't?

[@Sylvergunner]

papyrus only started making spaghetti because of cooking lessons with undyne, he isnt inherently related with it

[@nobody..--.]

​@Sylvergunner yeah if anything undyne is more related to spaghetti

[@TheOnlyGeggles]

I mean, burnt spaghetti is pretty dark

[@lemonsok]

I'm only 5 minutes in, but the way you mentioned Papyrus may be getting manipulated by someone immediately made me think of Flowey. That and the mention of the closet in the computer lab reminded me of one specific line from Undertale. "THERE ARE NO SKELETONS INSIDE MY CLOSET. EXCEPT ME SOMETIMES!"

[@josecorzo5517]

The Papyrus qna part to

[@ShadowSkryba]

Oh crap basket, BIG BRAIN

[@Money_is_power-green]

Waits that smart 🤯

[@Program-P.A-23]

Holy… I didn’t think about that bro it smart

[@underplayer420]

“Imagine you’re this sad depressed hopeless person” What do you mean ‘What if?’

[@thiagofungames]

Also in the Steam page Toby said that Papyrus was "busy"... He´s definitely the knight.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Chara is just a reflection of the player's decisions. They didn't ""manipulate"" Frisk, only Asriel.

[@TheOnlyGeggles]

Except poor Azzy

[@DragonMCMultiverse]

Asriel:

[@cable_g0re]

Well, what if you look at the relationship between chara and asriel as a parallel between papyrus and flowey? Asriel and flowey are the same person after all, and people who grew up manipulated by others often grow up to be manipulators!

[@salemmarz3809]

exactly

[@Breydee69]

So basically what i got, is that Papyrus is Knuckles and Gaster is Eggman

[@Nintendogs08]

Kris and Papyrus is my favourite toby fox game

[@Breydee69]

@@Nintendogs08 Ironically, even their color schemes are the same

[@cable_g0re]

Im dying im dead you *Killed* me, the eggmen are plotting their schemes wherever they do

[@HapBertarelli-gy9xh]

Yeah that’s what I Got too

[@Cheerybelle]

**"Unknown from M.E." starts playing**

[@ringstormanarim]

funny how the theory everyone probably stated back in 2021 as a joke has a solid chance at actually being true. but who knows, maybe this is the time where papyrus finally gets taken seriously by the fanbase

[@faokie]

Sure, it COULD be "another brother named Gaster" but it could also be "a mascot friend named Ice-E"

[@ClodsireBcuzYes]

*father tbh it makes sense, the reason why they say the skelebros "came out of nowhere" is because when gaster died, either they had to move out of where they lived with him, or everyone remembered the two as "gaster's kids" and after all memory of gaster was wiped, as was the memory of the two brothers.

[@rascamedi0]

@@ClodsireBcuzYesi'm pretty sure gaster being wiped from memory was a fandom mandela effect

[@TheOnlyGeggles]

@@rascamedi0 A.k.a a fandella effect

[@davisdf3064]

@@ClodsireBcuzYes Gaster wasn't wiped out from people's memories, they just don't really talk about him because it was a long while ago

[@Gemini-Lion]

@@rascamedi0 My guess is that they came up with that from what Goner Kid said.

[@Sylvergunner]

i personally really dont like the idea that the knight is being manipulated or doesnt know about the roaring. i feel like it takes away all agency and power from the knight as one of the main antagonists. i kinda like papyrus knight but i HATE this version of it (which is most papyrus knight arguments). the knight is implied to be very strong and intimidating, considering spamton is scared to say something juicy about them, as well as beating up the kings and imprisoning them to put spade king into power, which doesnt really fit with this version of papyrus knight if hes still nice and just wants to be cool. theres also another common papyrus knight argument i hear that i really dislike and its the idea that hes doing it to get friends, which would maybe track, IF the knight actually spent much time in the dark worlds, which they really dont. all in all, i think in order to be narratively satisfying, papyrus knight has to be a good bit more different from undertale papyrus than most papyrus knight arguments want to propose, which is already established as likely considering how much of a shut-in he is in deltarune.

[@Sylvergunner]

also chara catching a stray in this video for no reason??? come on chara is NOT MANIPULATING FRISK

[@jollyjadentnt7963]

Ya as much as I love papyrus and him being the knight would lead to some interesting story bears as to how he wants friends… it honestly doesn’t line-up well with how genuinely serious & terrifying the knight actually has been setup. So I doubt Papyrus will be it.

[@kcreator8844]

Papyrus can be a nice and good guy in a sense, but mainly stays serious. Similarly to sans without the puns and jokes. We he hears about us wanting to stop the roaring he gets mega intimidating, he becomes a serious threat who will stop at nothing to achieve such goal. Papyrus might believe the roaring has a purpose , he might know something we don't. A semi-happy character who's mainly intimidating and likes spaghetti.

[@yoshkabosh7979]

I don't think Papyrus is the knight but I'd really want him to be, this big great "roaring knight" that's been foreshadowed the whole game and then it just ends up being the same old lovable papyrus.

[@masteroftheinternetverse1296]

It's just asgore from undertale all over again.

[@pedroba76]

i just don't want the person behind the Roaring reasons to do that, be only pure curiosity and scientific "what-if".

[@spotliker123]

i mean, he does talk with a whole lot of gusto! it wouldn’t be too far off to describe him as roaring. and he’s pretty tall too

[@minerturtle45]

another sign the narrator is Gaster is that when he took over the twitter account the name was replaced with six blanked-out characters, which matches the amount of letters in Gaster's name

[@Taypokemon]

9:39 They do that for every character you pick to have the same name as you.

[@kingofcrap4414]

Yes, but it confirms that Papyrus is going to have an important role in the story.

[@ShirubaGin]

​@@kingofcrap4414 but the names Kris, Susie and Noelle had a completely different reaction from everyone else in the opening. What makes them more important than someone being "the knight"?

[@reckgames1610]

​@@ShirubaGin Being the main characters, that's what

[@ShirubaGin]

@@reckgames1610 for a game filled with a lot of lore I don't think these details can be simply explained way by "they're the main characters". That's just the story telling reason. What's the in universe reason? Why are they more important than Papyrus who's apparently making fountains according to this theory even tho "the knight" is mentioned by a bunch of characters enough for them to be a bit more important?

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Papyrus can’t be the knight, he’s too busy giving you eggs!

[@kingofcrap4414]

Based theory

[@arcticfluffyfoxy]

what does egg translate to in wing dings

[@Justasillylilguythefirst]

☜︎☝︎☝︎ ​@@arcticfluffyfoxy

[@hybridvenom9]

Maybe he can still be the Knight and still getting the eggs

[@masterrico_143]

@@arcticfluffyfoxy the egg translates to wingdings that is a finger pointing to the left and 2 fingers pointing upwards. left/right and up twice is the same way a KNIGHT moves in chess too.

[@catdownthestreet]

Chara didn't manipulate Frisk??? That was the player, us. WE manipulated Frisk. Chara was simply an observer. Chara wasn't even a villain.

[@salemmarz3809]

that’s what i’ve been saying

[@bobbiejoringulet5040]

I do prefer this theory over the others "WHAT I'M DOING IS... RIGHT... RIGHT?... O-OF COURSE, I'LL MAKE SO MANY NEW FRIENDS... I'LL...I'LL... I HOPE SANS WOULD BE PROUD......"

[@Blackrose7_-]

Oh shit. 😳 I forgot about that dialogue, but it does make a lot of sense.

[@sozu662]

@bobbiejoringulet5040 Where is this dialogue from?

[@bobbiejoringulet5040]

​@@sozu662 I just remembered seeing dialog similar to this somewhere at sometime

[@sozu662]

@@bobbiejoringulet5040 regardless of where it’s from it is still crazy interesting

[@lunashenck]

Chara didn't manipulate frisk. The genocide route was always the players decision

[@RosyLanderos]

Exactly,we as a player the true villain of the genocide route but we blame Chara for our decisions

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@RosyLanderos THANK YOU. Chara is a literal child like Frisk, people need to stop acting like a child who loves monsters would be so cruel

[@salemmarz3809]

exactly

[@Haatroxx]

Not really, chara far transcended being a child, she said it herself she’s the number that increases, she’s a vengeful spirit more than anything. Chara IS the player. Hence why it’s the “true name”.

[@catdownthestreet]

@@Haatroxx THEY are a child. Did you fall for the fanfic level delusion that the fandom created to blame the player's actions on Chara? Because WE are the player. Chara is the narrator. They never got the chance to grow up because they chose to die to save the monsters. It didn't work, and then we showed up in the No Mercy route, and murdered everyone in front of them. They only became a so-called "vengeful spirit" because we basically showed them that their family didn't matter and murder was okay. Do you understand now?

[@galarstar052]

This is a lot of interesting points for Papyrus Knight theory, but I personally disagree on Gaster wanting to cause the Roaring. Based on all the evidence there is it seems more likely to be the opposite. 1. if Gaster getting the player to possess Kris was supposed to stop them from opposing the Roaring, it really hasn't worked in his favour lol. All we've done as the player is close the Dark Fountains, heck when Kris takes out the soul they actively try and create more fountains by themselves. It'd make more sense for Gaster to just let Kris do their thing in that case. 2. i'm fairly confident that Ralsei has some connection to Gaster, just based on the fact that he seems to know about the player. That'd really only make sense if he learned about that in some way from the man responsible for putting the player in Kris. Assuming they're working together, Ralsei is the one who most staunchly opposes the Roaring out of anyone, so it'd make sense to assume Gaster is similar. He might still be the one behind the scenes getting Papyrus to create Dark Fountains, but I doubt causing the Roaring would be his end goal in that case, it'd be more likely that he knows and expects the team to stop it and that'd help in his own purpose somehow.

[@Flynnisthename]

I totally agree. Since the prophecy is foretold by time and space, I think it’s reasonable to say Gaster MADE the prophecy

[@moon4236]

It's possible he wants to cause the roaring because that's the only way that the three heroes will banish the angel's heaven. This would mean that he send the player to help fulfill the prophecy and not the opposite. Why does Gaster want to banish the angel's heaven? Idk but since we don't really know what that is about it could work.

[@Daoud-gc5lu]

I think that the knight is the friends we made along the way

[@dunnkids7263]

Chara did not "manipulate frisk", the player did that. Also gaster is nothing like flowey in the intro, he was very clearly cut off.

[@kansaslml7796]

Chara, in the genocide route, is basically just a stand-in for the player though

[@jeremysmith2564]

As well, the “how interesting” that gaster says is in response to not only Papyrus, but many other undertale characters too.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Chara is a ghost, used to represent the PLAYER in the story.

[@dunnkids7263]

@@kansaslml7796 no, chara is not a stand in for the player they are their own character.

[@dunnkids7263]

@@TheSkyGuy77 wrong, but i dont give nearly enough of a shit to argue with you

[@loganon2216]

Chara doesn't manipulate Frisk, they only manipulate Asriel.

[@Bread_37]

people blame chara for "making frisk do geno" bitch that was all you

[@cheetomanner]

ye.

[@uncroppedsoop]

they do also manipulate the player. but not frisk

[@karthkalbi1105]

@@uncroppedsoop you only see chara at the end of genocide, after YOU chose to kill everyone

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@karthkalbi1105 what's your explanation for the kill counter and red text?

[@MegaLpso]

Many people hate this theory but I love it and want it to be true. Papyrus is a incredibly interesting character that deserves to be seen as more then just comedy relief.

[@autisticTreadmilleater]

how would that even work toby would have to absolutely butcher his character and having the knight be papyrus would be so anticlimactic like imagine the scene where you fight them... and it's just "oh. it's the janitor's bro. wow. uhhh, guess we gotta fight him?"

[@MegaLpso]

@autisticTreadmilleater toby already has in deltarune, papyrus is hinted to be antisocial because he isn't leaving the house, sans calls him shy, and he literally gets further away from the door when you knock on it.

[@KentMissra]

Halfbreadchaos's video on the 4 shadows also connects papyrus to chapter 2 in theory.

[@Julnz]

3:07 the flavor text would literally mean SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET if this was true. I can't remember that well but I think there was some kind of joke like that in undertale as well in Papyrus's room

[@icenovice]

Sans asks you to hang out with his brother... ...but after the Cyber World fountain is sealed, the plans are cancelled... ....and he asks you to hang out with Papyrus.... ....tomorrow.

[@fictey]

I read the title and had a mid life crisis.

[@UnoriginalJokester]

The only real way to justify Papyrus being the Knight is by saying that he's being manipulated. Sure, he was manipulated in Undertale, but not nearly to the degree someone would have to manipulate him into being "The Roaring Knight." It's just hard to believe. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Toby, a guy who said he's happy that people aren't labelling Deltarune as Undertale 2 anymore, would make a primary Undertale character the main antagonist of this game. If anything, Deltarune seems to be deliberately avoiding giving Undertale characters major roles.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

Yeah, thats also the thing putting me of with Papyrus knight. I dont really like any Deltarune theories that put Undertale characters in the spotlight. The only exception is Gaster, but thats only because there is a lot of room for new stuff and he was barely a character in Undertale.

[@alt4388]

1. the knight probably won't be the main villain 2. papyrus is a bit of a weird case. firstly he's implied to originate from hometown, so the papyrus in ut and Dr are the same, and papyrus has led a completely different life in this world compared to UT. he's a shut in, he never met undyne, he doesn't know how to cook (as undyne was the only reason he bothered learning). so to an extent, deltarune papyrus will probably be a completely different character.

[@H-3X35]

We'll see if Toriel is important in ch3.

[@JohnBGang]

I think it all depends on framing. Yeah, you probably couldn't trick Papyrus into actively trying to end the world, but you could ABSOLUTELY convince him to play the role of a villain in a story/game. That idea is personally part of my theory, but that's a whole tangent. Also, while Toby did say he's glad Deltarune has its own identity, he still labels the game as something that should be played after Undertale, and has spoken about how Chapter 1's opening light world section was intricately designed to make people think they're playing a new Undertale game, before revealing it's something pretty different once you enter the Dark World.

[@UnoriginalJokester]

@@alt4388 While I acknowledge that Papyrus may be different in Deltarune, he should still be the same person at his core if everyone else is to go by. I really doubt that a few little things like not meeting some people would motivate him to destroy the world. That's a bit too drastic of a change. And even if the Knight won't be the main villain, they should still be treated seriously.

[@Donpotom]

I already see the final fights that based on this theory: neutral route you fight papyrus, pacifist is gaster, genocide still under the question

[@lunashenck]

Deltarune will only have one ending

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

​@@lunashenck it can still have one ending but still have various final bosses depending on the route

[@thiagofungames]

@@GwainSagaFanChannelToby said that the history is more important than the end. It probally means that there will be only one final boss in the last chapter, but not in the rest, it could be like the weird route Spamton NEO battle.

[@Beatboxing_Leprechaun]

I actually have 2 things to propose about this theory: 1. If the "Papyrus never moves" Theory is true and makes him Super Powerful, then this makes a ton of sense 2. Sans in Chapter 1 Says they just arrived in town a few days ago, maybe Gaster Convinced him to close the Closet Door on Kris and Susie. After all he might be familiar with the place by now, and we still don't know who closed it

[@rawquikh0ney710]

I noticed the green flower is missing from the new newsletter and all the other flowers are there. The green crayon is gone and makes me wonder if this tells us the green soul is next

[@hyfi_n]

seeing as undyne is hinted 2 be in the next chapter, i think its highly likely!

[@JuanCarlosSanchez-oo3sz]

​@@hyfi_ncould also be Napstablook as they are a cop as well.

[@hyfi_n]

@@JuanCarlosSanchez-oo3sz oh yeah they are! i forgot lolz, thats a possibility too :D

[@DJSymphonie]

actually if we consider Asgores shop, then both the Green flower AND the "not flowey" yellow flower are missing. Which just makes this point stronger, since yellow is the one soul color we've gotten to play as so far. Big believer in kindness for chp3 and perseverance for chp4 (considering purple is always first in the flower lineup)

[@pastalight]

Glad more people are catching on to Knight Papyrus. I've been one of its #1 shills for a long time, and I'm glad it's getting more popular. I haven't watched the video yet, but hopefully it uses the May 2024 letter as evidence... I also have a Tumblr essay on the theory which has gained a cult following in the theory spaces, but I don't blame you for not having read it, either. Regardless, I love PapKnight.

[@june9914]

I feel like papyrus is the most likely suspect BUT I disagree with the points mostly the ‘large enough two fit a person inside’ since dark worlds reflect light worlds and that’s most likely referencing queens palace and giga queen. And the point about the narrator having a bleak outlook, I think it’s pretty obvious it’s supposed two be someone else interrupting our character creation (they even have a different writing style in Japanese). But the main reason I disagree with the reasoning is that it takes away most of papyrus’ agency and that kinda feels like a letdown

[@Lunarcreeper]

0:18 not quite, toriel said that asriel comes back next week, and i don't remember where, but i swear i recall that alphys said that there isn't any school tomorrow in the game somewhere. so that means that Asriel could appear anywhere between chapter 5-7

[@hypnospaceoutlaw3376]

I thought the censored part of Papyrus' Notes was Grandpa Semi.

[@mylam658]

Thought that was the case too for a long time, but there wouldn't be a need to redact it if it was just a scrapped character.

[@UnoriginalJokester]

@@mylam658 Toby changed the audio file labelled "Grandpa Semi" to "Grandpa Temi," so who knows.

[@icenovice]

The closet in the computer lab is DEFINITELY connected to Papyrus in some way and that's what I got out of this video

[@masteroftheinternetverse1296]

So, every dark world object has a light world counterpart, even the landscape. Carpets become rolling fields, wires become roller coasters, filing cabinets become castles, and eggs become eggs. So what the heck is ralsei? Why is he, and he alone, seemingly able to cross into other dark worlds? Is he something from Kris's pockets they simply don't want us to see, such as the horns? Is he a lightner, hiding in the dark world for one reason or another? What the heck is he? And why is he in the storage closet? The closet seems to span from the plateaus from the start of chapter one all the way to the great door. What the heck are they? And what's the whole deal with the first entrance to the dark world? Is it because it was new? Is it because it was their initial exposure? The first dark world has so many questions that will only ever be answered when we inevitably have to fight our way up the seven floors of the castle in chapter 7 on our way to fight the angel / noelle / ralsei / ourselves? / kris / susie / the knight / gaster / the guy who handed us 7 eg

[@Flooreenciia28]

you videos have been getting me through the delatrune/undertale drought. i thought i had consumed all the theories and content there was out there to consume, and then your channel popped out like an oasis🙏🏼 thank you and please continue making your content! no matter how obvious you think your theory might be, i just really enjoy hearing all different perspectives and knowing there's someone out there as excited as me for a new toby fox release!

[@SpamDustt411]

Me when a Faker Papyrus that looks like Dedan from Off but Called "Times New Roman" shows on Chapter 5 like the Main Darkworld boss of the Chapter and he dresses like a sophisticated man with a hat and a feather, that also dresses like a Knight on the end of the Chapter and betray the Lightners (it's alternative Papyrus, not Undertale papyrus, and he's a servant of Gaster with Dess and the Demon)

[@SpamDustt411]

OMG, THIS ALSO REALLY MAKES SENSE- GASTER BEING INSIDE OF KRIS INSTEAD OF THE GONER VESSEL/DEMON, BECAUSE THE SECOND VOICE IT'S THE DEMON TELLING THAT OUR CHOICES DON'T MATTER, AND THEN CUTTING THE CONNECTION WITH GASTER, NOW IT'S GASTER ON THE ROLE OF THE DEMON (BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME) AND IT'S MAKING DARK FOUNTAINS BECAUSE THE KNIGHT IT'S PART OF HIM, AND HE'S USING KRIS BECAUSE HE'S STUCK WITH US! (Maybe works, idk lmao)

[@uncroppedsoop]

what 0 new chapter releases does to a mf

[@Sugerblast1993]

Will for a short time I thought "WHEN" he shows up in deltarune he would most likely play some sort of Flowey or Chara role, not in a evil since but some kind of way like Charas "you think your above consciousness" kind of thing

[@darkoverlord7626]

Im surprised you didnt point out that one prisoner in the spades castle who says he got captured by the knight because he didnt have a puzzle liscence and that he will never make a junior jumble puzzle again

[@TheElementalGemsStudios]

My theory about who’s manipulating papyrus is actually asriel… flowery in undertale is just asriel first of all and 2ndly sans says papyrus will be seen WHEN ASRIEL comes to town which feels like an odd coincidence

[@Rose_Haw]

8:58 what is the backstabbing? First listen through I assumed that meant the vessel getting discarded, but that's done by the "interrupter" isn't it?

[@CharaDreemurr_TheyThem]

9:27 OKAY. I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ON THIS. RANT INCOMING Frisk was *not* manipulated by Chara, quite the opposite, actually. We manipulated Chara, through Frisk. Time for a Chara chara-cter analysis. Chara is heavily implied to have been abused on the Surface. This, most likely, included manipulation and some form of emotion shaming. Eventually, they couldn't take it anymore and ran up to Mount Ebott, in hopes of killing themself. Instead, they fell into the Underground. This is relevant because it lays the groundwork for how Chara acts. Often, kids pick up on how their parents act and take a few behaviors from it. The abuse also shapes them, making them react differently to some situations and ruins their self-worth and esteem. Then Asriel found them and they had a happy family. The effects of the abuse never left them, but they partially healed. Then the pie situation. Asriel and Chara were young and made a stupid mistake (my headcanon: dyslexia /j). They *both* poisoned Asgore by accident. Asriel, having been raised by caring parents, reacted like most would, and showed extreme emotion. Chara, however, still effected by the abuse, did not. They laughed it off, to cope with the emotional pain. Many characters use laughing to cope. For example, Snowdrake's dad. After talking about Snowdrake leaving and his wife dying he says: *Hah hah hah... *That's not funny. So now its established that laughing is a way to cope with sadness in Undertale, so we can explain Chara's behavior away. Then, the plan. Chara, knowing about the poison of buttercups, came up with an idea. They would kill themself so Asriel can take their soul, kill 6 humans, and free the monsters. Monsters had only been kind to them, so they deserved to be free, and humans had only shown hatred, so they deserved to die. Chara told Asriel the plan. Asriel, being a normal kid, was horrified and didn't want to. Chara was DETERMINED to do it, so they took the behaviors they gained from the Surface and manipulated him into doing it, which worked. It's implied that they manipulated Asriel before that, considering how he says they aren't "the greatest person", and that they are so quick to switch to manipulation there. Either way, they then poisoned themself, got Asriel to absorb their soul, and went to the surface. Everything was going according to plan. Until Asriel realized he couldn't bring himself to kill anyone. The humans still attacked and Chara tried lashing out. They wouldnt let their brother die from their plan going wrong. Asriel, however, was stronger and wouldn't let them do that, and died. Chara died with him...or did they? Chara then wakes up from death, following a small child and narrating them. The child then goes through, killing everyone in their path. Chara started thinking, why were they revived from death just to watch a kid killing everyone, including their mother? There must've been a purpose. Something must be wrong, that requires everyone to die. Chara then realized Flowey was Asriel and saw he was on board too. They decided to help the kid. They told them how many enemies were left, they told them if they missed Snowdrake (and scolded them if they never killed him), and took more action. They moved towards Papyrus and MK before starting the fight. Then, the end game. They were tired of the song and dance of killing everyone, so they took more matter into their own hands. They killed Sans since his battle was taking too long. We know it was Chara because of the slash. Even if you have the ballet shoes, the finishing blow is ALWAYS a knife slash. And what weapon did Chara use? The Real Knife. We don't control the blow, it happens even if we dont hit FIGHT twice. Then we go to Asgore. Asgore takes too long, so Chara kills him too. We have such high LOVE (which rubs off onto Chara since they're attached to our soul) that we have no empathy anymore, and Chara doesn't either. According to Asgore, Flowey betrayed us, and is taking too long, so Chara kills him too. Then, we see them. We have such high LOVE that they are able to live once more, as a corporal being. They still think there was a purpose for the killing. If we agree to erase the world, their belief is confirmed, and it is erased. If we dont, they realize there was no reason. They killed their father and brother for no reason. Instead of showing emotion, they kill us and erase it anyway. In most routes, Chara is fine, doesn't kill anyone, even helps us. In the Asriel fight, Chara gives us their memories. Its almost definitely them because how else would we get the memoties? Asriel physically couldn't. Chara is tied to our soul. Chara wants the best for their family, especially their brother. Chara doesn't do anything else in the other routes but narrate. Also, when we lose in the Asriel fight, it's implied that Chara helps us stay alive, considering they have a hold on our DETERMINATION, though it could just be Frisk being very DETERMINED in that moment. Along with that are the themes of the game. One of them is that nobody is perfect, but everyone has some bit of good in them. Undyne comes off as rude, overly violent, and evil when we first meet her, but when we befriend her we see how kind, loyal, and caring she is. Alphys comes off as inconsiderate and self-important from her lying, but when we befriend her and see the true lab we see how she is so self depreciating and depressed she needs to lie about everything, thinking that nobody would like her if she showed them the real her. Flowey is evil, unempathetic, and violent, but when we discover his past and help him, we see how kind, caring, and empathetic he actually is. Nobody is perfect, they all have their flaws, but are any of them pure evil? No. Why would Chara be any different? Why would Toby *specifically* make Chara the pure evil one? Why would he discard a whole theme just for one character some people don't even know the true name of? And an instance of our actions manipulating them in a way is the dog food bag. In Alphys' lab theres a bag of dog food. In a pacifist route, it'll say: *(It's a bag of dog food.) *(It's half full.) If its a murder heavy neutral, dogs alive, it'll say: *(It's a bag of dog food.) *(It's half empty.) If its a genocide or dogs dead neutral, it'll say: *(It's a bag of dog food.) *(It's half empty.) *(You just remembered something funny.) Your actions change Chara's reaction to things. TL:DR: hah no lol, idk how to summarize this lmao Anyways uh, Chara isn't evil or a villian, just a child in a horrible situation. They aren't perfect though, far from it, but they aren't 100% evil and a genocidal maniac like the fandom thinks they are.

[@whilenya4714]

Yes! _This!_ All of this, thank you for putting it into words!

[@romancano9275]

Read the whole thing, I think the video creator should too

[@CharaDreemurr_TheyThem]

@@whilenya4714 yippee people are appreciating my rants for once lmao

[@whilenya4714]

@@CharaDreemurr_TheyThem always good to see a Chara defender in the wild, honestly, your rants are very much appreciated

[@CharaDreemurr_TheyThem]

@@whilenya4714 I barely see Chara defenders sadly, most are either evil Chara people or neutral Chara people (meaning they think Chara is responsible and kinda evil but not 100% evil like the former)

[@lordjav1320]

I see that Deltarunes theme is alienation. The dark worlds represent escapism. I don't like him being manipulated but I do like papyrus knight, I think his motivation lies in his isolation.

[@enternam3854]

I'd like to call to attention that the closet flavour text specifies a large person could fit inside. Most running knight candidates save for father Albin as well as Berdly who potentially may find his way inside are relatively small compared to an average adult monster.

[@L0L_puk3]

I need you to be extremely spot on, on this theory because now I NEED this to happen in the later chapters of Deltarune

[@magi1340]

I think it would be awesome for a character like him to be the knight and really give us a very impactful ending depending on if we truly kill him or just manage to convince him what he's doing is actually pretty damn bad. Also, it would come full circle from all those posts saying how damn powerful he TRULY is.

[@coolkoolbeans]

there is also flowey and papyrus in the newsletter. deffinetly not direct evidence, but possible teasing/foreshadowing

[@Littleblueturtle]

15:46 HEY HI IM GOING TO SOUND REALLY OVEREXITED HERE BUT I ACTUALLY MAY HAVE ANOTHER IDEA FOR WHO'S WRITTEN THERE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IN OTHER THEORY VIDEOS! If memory serves right it says "...and a grandpa named Semi" and the idea that this scrapped grandpa semi character is in this blacked out space is sometimes thrown around due to the name being spotted on the back of some similar early undertale notes that Toby posted! (Grandpa Semi also appears in a reallyyy early version of undertale's code in the demo files i believe?) idk i just thought i would point it out :3

[@para_kiss]

took me so long to realize the WD in WD Gaster stands for wing dings

[@StoryTeller796]

2:26 I am pretty confident Papyrus must've set a contraption up to self-create a dark fountain at the perfect opportunity because why wouldn't he?

[@bearcavemaximum7121]

This is unfortunately obviously not the case, as Queen is known to have personally met the Knight. He would have had to either do it himself or be in the same room as the contraption.

[@StoryTeller796]

@@bearcavemaximum7121 Oh scrap me. Yeah, honestly, we have no idea who the knight is quite yet and I hope that Papyrus has a much more prominent role than he had in the original game.

[@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755]

Since when?

[@Flynnisthename]

@@bearcavemaximum7121the queen didn’t personally meet the knight she doesn’t even know what they want or look like

[@prestonderooy9862]

I do like this interpretation, in the thinking of sans and papyrus being related, even though I don’t personally believe so

[@FloweyFanClub]

i was squinting at this until gaster was specifically noted as a *brother* and. yeah id die for my brother if he asked. id do anything even if i was doing ok.

[@AmbrosiaMooshine]

This is a great video I loved it :)

[@PlayerCarter.]

2 of the 3 aspects you applied to Papyrus is applicable to basically any other Hometown resident. Also when asking Spamton about the Knight they literally say "SPEAKING OF [[COMMUNION]]. KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT..." and gets cut off and apologizes to someone. Alvin Knight all the way.

[@DJSymphonie]

The more I hear this brought up the more I think Spamton is alluding to the fact that the Knight was moving to the church to open the next fountain there. Our next fountain is in Kris' home but that's because Kris interrupted the Knights order (the chp4 fountain being church based is a pretty common take after rudies allusion to going there the next day too afterall)

[@owenpp3334]

15:00 people have gone over this point before and on one of the other screenshots he posted the other side of the page which if you looked at the imprints of the paper you could read out grandpa semi, i dont remember too much else but you can find it if you look (also narrator says interesting for almost all of the undertale cast)

[@pustota7254]

Rouxls Kaard is obviously the Roaring Knight Both are R.K.

[@toastymann5865]

I unironically feel this theory is the most likely hometown knight

[@Flynnisthename]

I’m really tired and misread this as you saying hometown, in of itself, was the knight.

[@nickfarace9339]

It has been a long time, but with regards to the "another brother" part, I thought someone had actually found what was written there because there was a pic of the other side of that page, and you could see through it enough to see what it said. And I thought it was along the lines of "a grandpa named semi". Obviously a word missing there but I can't remember the exact wording, but it was along those lines Keeping in mind, we also had proof that there was originally going to be a character named semi and less proof (but a good guess) that they were the original royal scientist.

[@vicke4_]

Another clue to papyrus being the knight is one of the Rudins trapped in the prison in chapter 1

[@realityinradish1223]

OMG Gaster’s motive makes so much sense… you know why? remember the motto of the No Mercy route… curiosity sand completionism can cause destruction for no reason at all, with no reward. TOBY😭 Old dog new tricks

[@morgan4574]

I've not seen anyone mention this. But Gaster is referred to as "Him," like you mentioned. But another clue imo is that there is a book of Hymns by the door in Toriel's house. Connecting him to the religion and maybe showing how he's infiltrated?

[@ecw613]

I don't think Papyrus is being manipulated necessarily, he may not have all the facts but he's not just some stupid guy who falls for anything I think the Papyrus we meet in Deltarune, while the same person deep down, is different from Undertale's depiction. Why? Unlike Sans, he forgot Deltarune's world and his life in it, which is why the letter in Sans' lab says "Don't Forget." (on a side note, that lab machine is 100% the thrasher machine, probably repurposed.)

[@IamEscBoy]

wasn't papyrus originally envisioned as a stereotypical incel? and isn't one of the reasons people with the traits of that stereotype (not necessary incels) develop saig traits because of a sense of purposelessness and lack of direction? the sort of thing that could very realistically be what papyrus is like if he has no royal guard to sign up for? he doesn't necessarily need to be overly manipulated, he honestly could just be lonely and not know any better

[@Rudy137]

okok but hear me out what if papyrus in deltarune instead of being called papyrus had a secret name and was called mr fort and by making him the knight his full name would be fort knight

[@rascamedi0]

😟

[@rafkenjakistam3082]

Holy hell

[@Pika782]

crazy

[@asdffdas254]

You convinced me. Nice vid. Subbed.

[@EscapeReality123]

This theory really holds up but I desperately don't want it to be true. Papyrus is my biggest comfort character and I don't want to see him suffering over the realisation that he isn't a hero, in fact, he became a villain. ALSO, Deltarune is the only world where Sans can finally be happy, unaware of the resets, but imagine HIS suffering when he finds out what was happening with his brother :(

[@Thegreatercheese]

Three minutes and eight seconds until "muh closet flavour text" Gotta say I was expecting it way earlier.

[@Matoro_9999]

The video title feels like a fever dream Nah wait.. hold on ngl after a bit of watching she kinda has a point PAPYRUS IS THE KNIGHT!

[@theJennicat]

Great uncle gaster rolls off the toung nicely tho

[@Salmonboyo]

On one hand, these theory videos are excellent. On the other hand, I almost *don't* even want to PLAY Deltarune when it comes out, due to knowing I'll miss all the secrets. These videos have kinda become my replacement for it.

[@H0n3yB33zi]

.... Theory, Deltarune Asriel is a villain. Think about it, Flowey and Papyrus are friends in undertale. In deltarune, we are told we will meet Papyrus around the time Asriel returns. Papyrus and Asriel are two characters we don't know alot about in Deltarune. They know each other in Undertale and seeing as characters are supposed to be similar to their original, it wouldn't be to far stretched to say they may know each other in Deltarune. Another thing is that they appear to have similar ages in Deltarune so it wouldn't be too far stretched to say that they have met eachother, in fact they might be doing the same education system. Ralsie appears to represent Undertale Asriel, so Deltarune Asriel may represent Flowey.

[@GodChaos333]

The chapter 2 fountain being made while the two were in there is still so unlikely to me. Here is a few counter points. 1. Why would Noelle and berdly fall asleep waiting for Susie and Kris. Would a person who is borderline obsessed with Susie fall asleep when waiting for her to show up? No way. Noelle would be nervous and anxious to see her. It's her mega crush. 2. Even if it was made while they were awake. We seen one being made on screen. It's loud. It's not fast. It's freaky. Noelle and berdly would see it slowly fill up. They would mention it at least once at any point but no. And why wouldn't they just leave the scary darkness slowly approaching? 3. The closet text is mostly there for snow grave. To have a realistic excuse for why berdly can be pretty much dead. Yet the same story beats play out regardless on if you the route normal or not. I really think the counterpoint are just more likely then the scenario that it did happen while they were there. Sure they could have fallen in if it was made beforehand. And that could be papyrus.

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

3 doesn't make sense, if it was for Snowgrave it'd be Snowgrave exclusive. Also, I don't see how it'd make for a realistic excuse As to 1, well, it's not impossible to fall asleep when you're very nervous. Also, even if she was hoping for it, I doubt Noelle _really_ expected Susie to go to the library

[@MC_CN]

The Narrator of the Goner Maker sequence isn't all that pessimistic. They even ask you to give your creation a gift! Another thing to add is that the gifts are, for the most part, positive aspects that can make the world better, like compassion. The only non-positive gifts are more neutral ones, like voice, which can be used for good or evil. The person that interrupts them, however, could definitely be evil. They tell you that your creation is going to be thrown away, you can't choose anything, and they force you into Kris' body. Another thing to add is that this person is ultimately proven wrong, as our choices have direct impacts. Villains are often proven wrong in stories.

[@bukispecter9465]

We are so back thank you Soph

[@place_holder7695]

Would this mean that flowey has more than one soul since asriel already exists? like, a soul that gives him enough determination to reset, and would be just as curious to see the results but not be able too?

[@The_Fracture1]

0:05 THEY SAID SUS!!!!

[@squeef]

13:00 I feel like this is supposed to reflect the ambition many players have of exhausting all possible paths they can take in a game, to the point of going down paths the game is actively trying to push you away from, like Undertale's Geno route (I'm worried KZbin is going to mess with the visibility of my comment should I write the full word). If I'm right about that though, I hope it has a little more to say, just because undertale otherwise covered that base already.

[@amber2778]

Sure put it on Chara instead of taking responsibilty yourself

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

It's a game, it's not that serious, lol

[@bluewastakenx3]

buddy it is pixels on a screen

[@Frisk133.]

Just asking no hate to the theory tho, why does everyone think the roaring knight will be a hidden character of the cast? Like genuinely, can't it be an own original character? Just asking

[@AltName7]

It would be a little anticlimactic for a character so mysteries to turn out to be someone we just haven't seen yet, especially when Toby puts so many mysterious/cryptic things in his work. It's hard to definitively argue against the Roaring Knight being a new character, because then any information we have about the Knight could be interpreted as details of someone we don't know instead of as a clue. Details like the way the knight can't be properly made-out in the video Queen has would suggest that the Knight is an intentional mystery instead of simply an unknown new presence. Like, most likely someone living in town that Kris would at least know if they could make them out in the video.

[@remixtheidiot5771]

ah, the age old "why can't they be a new character?" argument. as often asked as they are disproven after the fact... at least for good mystery stories... *cough*... good writing dictates this is the most likely and should be the case. taking Undertale as an example... Spoilers in case you somehow haven't played undertale through yet somehow but are watching this video: flowey being revealed to be asriel and the true last boss is climactic and resolute because it was properly set-up. not necessarily predictable, but set-up enough that a replay of the game can get you to notice details you didn't realize was more important than you thought. yes, there is still the possibility that an entirely new character will be introduced as the knight. They might even be introduced that way similar to the masked man in Mother 3 but are still ultimately revealed in the end to be someone we are familiar with... maybe too familiar with sometimes. But there needs to be proper build up to this obviously important plot element which so far, as far as we've seen hasn't happened yet. take Noelle and Berdly for example. New characters in Deltarune. Introduced as seemingly minor characters, but become relevant to the game's story later on. they're introduction and purpose didn't begin only on chapter 2, but they were revealed before-hand. it makes their sudden appearance as an important character more impactful and exciting. I know I was excited at least.

[@doodoo2065]

Because it would be dissapointing Deltarune is clearly trying to get people to theorize and discover who the Knight is Having it be a completely new character would make everyone feel like they wasted their time lol

[@SayfuHQ]

What if Kris is opening up all the fountains and deltarune is one big loop

[@Flowey_the_Flower.]

9:42 i think that happens when you name yourself or the vessel with any ut name

[@kodawanberg6887]

8:48 Flowey did WHAT?

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

He better be. If I remember correctly, the only reason he wasn't a guard in Undertale was because humans were too dangerous. That shouldn't be an issue this time.

[@hemorrhoidjones4868]

I'd like to believe he's the squire of the knight

[@wormsinsdirt]

Hey, the end of the blocked out text looks more like a d in toby's handwriting. It is possible it's "another brother named gaster wd" instead of wd gaster!

[@Z3nithGD]

I’m gonna be honest, I think it’s pap because it would very like Toby to make him the main villains so he becomes as popular as sans

[@volt42re]

Papyrus Comic Sans Wingdings … we are so fucking dumb.

[@Aksimine]

but why would gaster want to cause the roaring IF he wants to create a new future with us and if the world being covered in darkness is considered a failure? he calls kris, susie and noelle wonderful, which means that he is most likely on their side. the argument that he is just trying to seem friendly is most likely false because he is most likely interrupted by another person. (typer changes, speechquirk disappears, i think they speak like chara in japanese translation? unsure about that) and after that, before chapter 2, gaster hijacks twitter again and says things like "DELTARUNE SHINES BRIGHTLY FROM YOUR HOPE" and possibly wrote us a letter. is he just trying to be friendly again after ruthlessly backstabbing us? what a prick.

[@FlareBlitzBanana]

It's circumstantial, but I think another thing to point out about Toby's notes is that Papyrus is listed first and Sans and the other family members were seemingly created after him. To me this implies that Papyrus is more important to Deltarune than Sans which strengthens the odds of him being the knight or at the very least a very relevant character. I'm not sure what this says about your idea of Gaster being a brother though.

[@ponfi0275]

I don't understand the correlation you're seeing between the order in which the characters were made and the order of importance in a specific situation for each character...

[@ServerGlitch]

I'm only a small bit into this video, but I really like this theory so far! I don't personally think Papyrus is the knight, but I think this would make for a really cool story! That being said, my issue with most theories about the knight is that, well... I feel like the knight has to be someone we have met in the main story of the game already, just for the pacing of the story itself. This means the cast of characters we HAVE to meet, and that doesn't leave many options when someone who is just playing through the game without doing ANY side content would just walk past everyone. That only leaves Kris, Susie, Toriel, Alphys, Noelle, and Berdly. (I might be missing some tho) At least to me, out of those options, Kris is the best option for the story... But I'm not gonna pull any hard stances about it

[@raven8088]

Y'know, I can totally see papyrus calling himself "the knight" if toby uses beta papyrus' personality, the whole internet neckbeard, white knight, *tips fedora* m'lady type

[@Mr.Pocket]

Papyrus Internet Persona (The Knight)

[@SSL_2004]

Going to quote the comment i wrote on the community post for this video context, then address the points from this video directly... Bottomline, while clearly a lot of effort went into this video, I still really don't believe this rheory, and I think that if it was true, it would severely harm the story overall. (My community post comment) ________________________________ "A: He's an Undertale character. He had his game. Every main player in the Deltarune story (aside from the Dreemurrs) has been Deltarune character, the primary antagonist for most of the game would not be a character that we already got tons of screen time of in Undertale. Papyrus in particular got arguably the most screen time of any supporting Undertale character when you factor in his phone calls. B: He's a comic relief character (NOT a joke character mind you, a comic relief character). Yes there IS nuance to Papyrus, but not _thaaaaaaaaaaaaat_ much nuance. How utterly simple he is is the point. In contrast to Sans, who, while also being a comic relief character, has several moments of genuine tension and intrigue to very clearly foreshadow his more complex and serious side, Papyrus just doesn't because he's genuinely just that friendly simple and upbeat. Even the moments involving him that are meant to be serious or somber are serious and somber BECAUSE of the juxtaposition between his optimistic demeanor, and the hopelessness of the situation. If Papyrus WAS the Knight, with his Undertale personality, it would suck ALL OF the tension out of that part of the game. He would obviously not be doing it for any malevolent purposes, and he's not that confrontational, so when we encountered him he would just... Stop. No conflict. No nothing. And if he didn't have his Undertale personality than just *_make a new character_* He also has no motive. I've seen people suggest that he's opening Dark Worlds to try to make friends, but... • Why not open them in the privacy of his own room instead of scattering them around town haphazardly. • Such a suggestion is actually quite the flanderization of Papyrus' character. Papyrus was always VERY bold, confident, and incredibly secure. From the outside his eccentricity might seem cringe but it's because he's entirely genuine and sincere. He's FAR from desperate. To argue that he would literally be endangering the entire world, even unknowingly, for the sake of making some friends in the Dark Worlds, portrays him as uncharacteristically and excessively naive and insecure." ________________________________ Alright, to start, you brought up how Papyrus could be getting manipulated. That is admittedly a fair point given what happened with Flowey, it's a precedented idea. A few problems with that though: • Flowey and Papyrus' relationship is quite unique. More than most other characters, Flowey holds a particular attachment to Papyrus. Mostly out of amusement for his antics, potentially partially due to his sincerity, but he's the only one who actually knows Papyrus's favorite food, and even mentions, almost flatteringly in the post ending dialogue, that Papyrus made of "flowey fan club" for him, and that it took him quite a while to get bored of him. Obviously I'm sure he killed him more than a few times in other timelines, but the point remains that Flowey was, at least outwardly, a consistently trustworthy acquaintance of Papyrus' in the version of the Undertale timeline we start the game in even long before to Frisk fell down. It's not impossible that Papyrus could be manipulated in a similar way, put Papyrus getting manipulated that way buy flowey was not purely because of his naivety. There was a trust there. • The fact that Papyrus getting manipulated happened in Undertale COULD be used as evidence in favor of a similar thing happening again. Inversely, i believe it has the exact opposite effect. This would literally be the _exact same_ plot point, _again,_ and _wooooooooooooow_ that would be boring, no? _Lazy_ even. Not even going to sugarcoat it. I don't think Toby would so blatantly retread the exact same trope with the exact same character while also desperately trying to claim its not a Undertale 2. Which is exactly what i think Papyrus being the Knight, especially in this way, would make Deltarune. Papyrus and Sans already have so many things pointing towards them being connected to Deltarune, and for that reason i think theyre going to stay side characters. There to enrich the connection of the games _just_ enough while keeping them definitely seperate. Giving them any more relevance than that would make the game TOO connected to Undertale imo. That's all opinionated speculation though. Again. They had their game, and to squandered the opportunity for a new and interesting story with a remixed old trope from an old character would be unfortunate. The "INTERESTING COINCIDENCE"/"HOW INTERESTING" text on the name screen means nothing. That dialogue is shared with a ton of names, 18 to be exact, including Sans, Toriel, Undyne, Berdly, and QC. Is QC the Knight? Do they wanna wanna make the world a massive diner? 💀 Ultimately the problem comes down to this. CAN it be Papyrus? I mean. Yeah? I guess so? It's not like your theory contradicts anything. It all COULD happen... There's very little LITERAL evidence against it, just thematic evidence which is of course entirely subjective based on interpretation... But there's pretty much no actual evidence FOR it either. All of the evidence "for" Papyrus Knight mostly comes down to explaining why it's not IMPOSSIBLE. Why it COULD happen. Why there is OPPORTUNITY. But your job as a theorist isn't to explain why something could happen. It's to explain why it WILL. Even if you don't believe it. Speculation is fine, but before you get into that you have to explain not just why your candidate is it possible, but why they're more likely then alternative candidates. For example. Papyrus has no connection to the school or library that we know of. Your explanation for why Papyrus would open a dark Fountain here in spite of this is that the "Gaster told him to," but this isn't evidence, this is speculation. This doesn't explain why Papyrus has a connection to the school, it gives a reason why he MIGHT not need one. Take Alvin Knight for example, which, while admittedly flawed, is what I consider to be the best knight candidate so far. Does Alvin have a connection to the school? Yes. Full stop. No speculation. His dad, Gerson was a teacher there and the classroom he taught at (as well as the classroom Alvin was in when he was a kid), happens to be the abandoned classroom that the dark Fountain was created. It is AFTER you make this connection that you can then begin to go into speculation. Maybe this connection to the school gave him keys, and maybe that's why the door was locked behind Susie and Kris in Chapter 1 when they stepped into the closet. These speculatory arguments alone would be nothing without the foundation given by the fact that we know he has a connection to the classroom. But in this case? He's been manipulated before, so he MIGHT be getting manipulated now. It MIGHT be Gaster who is POTENTIALLY manipulating him because Papyrus PROBABLY have a connection to Gaster. There is no solid factual base. Not to mention that again, he's just a nice, sincere, uplifting comic relief character. If Papyrus was acting anything like himself (and he should be if the choice to make it him instead of a new character remotely justified), it would suck all the tension out. You would have a villain who isn't really committed to what they're doing. The second you tell Papyrus what is actually going to happen if he keeps opening these dark fountains, one of two things is going to happen. A: He's going to act in character and stop because he's a good guy who doesn't want to end the world, like Queen, which isn't something you want to compare the night to because the anticlimax of her redemption was the entire joke (and even then she was far more malevolent than Papyrus would ever be) B: He's going to act out of character and there's going to be artificial tension injected into the story. I don't believe that the night will be the final boss of the game but they will be the major antagonist for the majority of it, and for that to be the case they have to be convicted. They have to genuinely believe in what they're doing beyond The superficial in order to oppose us. That doesn't mean they won't be a puppet, but they have to be... You know... DETERMINED. Like King. I appreciate the effort that went into this video, but I'm just not convinced. If you made it this far thank you for reading my ramblings.

[@kingofcrap4414]

Wow, what a fantastic comment. You kind of just tore the Papyrus Knight theory apart for me. Very excellent analysis on the shortcomings of this theory.

[@jollyjadentnt7963]

As a person who somewhat likes papyrus knight but at the same time dislikes the feeling of flanderization of it has…. Yeah I agree very well, VERY VERY good comment.😊

[@SSL_2004]

@@jollyjadentnt7963 Yeah it's not even that I don't think the ideas presented in the theory wouldn't work or be interesting, it's just that I don't think they work particularly well for Papyrus and there's pretty much no evidence for them. In all honesty I think the idea of the Knight being manipulated in some capacity is borderline inevitable, for the simple reason that I don't think they're going to be the final boss. I think by the end everyone will have been played a fool by the true man behind the curtain *-cough-*- Gaster -*-cough,-* and the Pawns will all be in place; But I still vehemently believe that the Knight has to be someone who is convicted in their cause even IF the status was given to them by someone else, enough to provide a very potent and real threat. They have to have their own more personal motivations that supersede their reasoning. Not even necessarily selfish or destructive ones, but Papyrus, if written in character, just wouldn't. At all. He's not confrontational enough. In particular whenever it comes to wacky speculatory Knight theories, like most of the Undertale cast, motive seems to be the primary problem. Because of the fact that no one in Undertale is straight up evil, and most of them aren't even that selfish, you really have to twist their character out of shape to justify them being the Knight, which begs the question of why you're even trying to make the case for them in the first place when they basically have to be a new character anyway. It's a lot easier to attribute motive to Deltarune original characters like Alvin, Mayor Holiday, or even Ralsei (which has a whole host of its own problems don't worry 💀) simply because we don't have as comprehensive of an understanding about them. I feel like the Deltarune Theory community, while clearly very creative and passionate, tends to abandon common sense a little bit too quickly. Speculation is necessary for interesting theories because elsewise you just have base level deduction, but you can't skip straight to that step and just because it's more fun. That's what we call "writing fanfiction". Lol

[@jollyjadentnt7963]

@@SSL_2004 yeah my problem with some deltarune theorists is that they will ignore the idea that certain characters like the Knight or Gaster will truly be taken seriously in favor of the idea that Toby will turn any serious character or thing into scrubkly goober number #600. I mean don’t get me wrong, I LOVE goofy characters that have nuance to them. But at some point I actually do want a legitimately threatening and serious villain in deltarune… like haven’t we already had enough of goofy characters in Toby’s games? How is having an actual cryptic, serious, dark character not going to be unique? And whose to say it would be boring when we have Toby writing the characters?

[@derimik15]

Papyrus is the only main Undertale crew member who is kept hidden desperately by Toby. If that isn't a clue, I don't know what is

[@saxeladude]

9:05 how likely is flowey to be the villain in deltarune vs another villain who acts almost exactly like flowey. Reason I ask is from a meta perspective to analyze toby fox's writing it would make sense that toby fox just writes villains this way as in undertale other villains are few and far between. Vs from logical perspective it makes more sense for the odds to be that flowey is back than another villain acts like flowey; unless you want to get really gaster brained and think another him means another flowey. Thinking about it really hard the card king is the only truely evil character in deltarune so far sure many characters are questionable but the card king even so being manipulated is passionate even after defeat holds his ground. This doesn't make him evil it makes him passionately faithful to the knight but what makes him evil is at no time does he even consider his actions even when disscussed and the negative effects they have. He's the only character in chapter 1 who actually cares about the knight every other denizen is just going about their day and likely don't know anything about the knight.

[@unoriginalnickname2499]

NGL. I mean if Papyrus who could ACTUALLY BEAT YOUR ASS AND ABUSE THE GAME MECHANICS AGAINST YOU. And then we have Papyrus who does not move AT ALL during his battle and add to the fact that they suddenly "Showed up one day" with no way for them to be known. Yeah I bet Papyrus could be if NOT STRONGER than Sans. Hell I bet maybe Papyrus is secretly one of the most strongest monsters in the Undertale/Deltarune universe which is in comparison to Sans being the most weakest.

[@calebdemosthene284]

2:57 in deltarune undyne and alphys don,t know each other and sans said that he knew in town so papryus and undyne probably don,t know each other

[@ValToadstool]

Papyrus's absence is either plot relevant or buildup to a gag and either way I'm here for it

[@daviddimitrov3696]

Why beother? It could very easily say fathar and there doesnt have to be an "another" in there. Who writes like that? Just say "he has 2 brothers" who writes like that? Thats like saying "i have a brother and then another brother" instead of going "i have 2 brothers" my point is no one speaks like that

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Does it beother you?