Yellowjackets Theories That Will Make You Spiral!

Buzz! Buzz! Buzz! Welcome back for season 2 Yellowjackets fans! Today we are talking about easter egg's, theories, secrets, what you missed in the latest episode, episode 204 Old Wounds, AND what's to come in the second half of Yellowjackets Season 2! This week's episode had a lot to follow, and what an ending to episode 204! We FINALLY meet adult Van AND Javi is back! We don't know how or why, but he's back! We picked up with our core five - Shauna, Nat, Tai, Misty & Lottie - and it looks like from now on we have adult Van in the mix too! Plenty of crazy stuff going on in the adult timeline, & in the 1990's timeline too! Shauna confesses to Callie about Adam, Nat dives deeper at Lottie's compound and also grows closer to Lisa, Tai takes an interesting travel journey to Van's after breaking into Jessica Roberts apartment and getting all the Yellowjackets files and info & Misty & Walter find Lottie's cult and get a good night's rest before rolling in to rescue Nat in the next episode. Make sure to leave your theories in the comments section! I can't wait to see what theories will be proved right this season?! Let me know all your crazy and wild theories in the comments!
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[@marissa434]

As someone who has a masters in psychology, I can pretty confidently say that a therapist would not be telling lottie to embrace her delusions in the way that the therapist did in episode 4. I think it is very cut and dry that the replacement therapist is somehow tied to what happened in the wilderness and that her showing up during a time that Lottie is having more frequent symptoms is not a coincidence- someone is trying to push Lottie fully over that edge. Besides, we never saw her actual therapist in the show so there is no reason they would need to highlight the fact that this is a new therapist.

[@amandaanstett6973]

Could the therapist have been a vision from Lottie? Like all in her head?

[@marissa434]

@@amandaanstett6973 yes! I thought could be possible as well, like her mind’s way of coping with her increasing symptoms and making her feel better about descending further in to delusion

[@blackdandelion5549]

OMG, Thank you!!! I've heard therapists and psychologists say "it's just chemicals and things firing in your brain" to other descriptors about why she would be seeing things and ask about changes in life, mood, eating, drinking, sleep, etc., but never have I ever heard/seen a "Well, what do you think it means?" because nightmares and hallucinations can be very scary.

[@amandaanstett6973]

@@marissa434 Yep, my exact thoughts. Especially since she came days early.

[@casieatthe393]

As a person who spent most of life in therapy I actually thought the same thing.

[@Superchick2]

Absolutely, it is highly unlikely that someone as intelligent and well-versed as Walter would have carelessly made the mistake of saying that Misty was a YellowJacket "30 years ago." He has certainly done his homework, judging from all the time it would have taken to put a briefcase full of show tunes onto cassette tapes. I, too, would like to know what his ultimate motivation is for involving himself with Misty.

[@TheAtl198]

I think he just said "that was like 30 years ago" to purposely sound like he didn't really know and it wasn't that important. I don't think the actual "30 years" has any significance.

[@aarcas]

Can't wait to find out how Javi survived for 2 months and what the dripping sound is all about

[@ango8466]

The dripping Mari hears is foreshadowing because she is the pit girl.

[@amandaanstett6973]

I am curious as well. He seems to be surviving on the periphery of the group, especially with their food missing and him running away from them. I am so curious.

[@Projectalice13]

He was stealing thier bear meat duh

[@vomo8322]

And shitting in their piss bucket frfr

[@xxSydneyFox]

​@@ango8466 that's what came to my mind too

[@DelceniaDamesTucker]

I believe that it’s foreshadowing when Mari made that crazy spike crib mobile for the baby; I believe it symbolizes the dripping from whoever gets those spikes; Mari is becoming so hateful; I believe she is “PIT GIRL” at least the 1st one and, I believe that's why Mari is the only one hearing the dripping sounds...it's the sound she is going to make on those spikes.

[@christinerobbins9376]

For real. I think she's hearing the dripping of her own blood when she strung up in that tree

[@catherineervin2630]

I agree. The spikes or tree, or both😮.

[@notamberp]

i think it’s a little bit of a reach because how would the blood dripping down wooden spikes make a dripping sound??

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@notamberp Lol, have you ever field-dressed a deer? They're hung up by their hindquarters then sliced down the middle of their torso, the blood collects in a puddle underneath the carcass. It's called "bleeding the deer". If those drops are hitting a ground frozen in solid ice it will def make a dripping sound.

[@DelceniaDamesTucker]

@@christinerobbins9376 , Thanks for explaining in all the graphic details, much appreciated. .

[@brynniefresh9746]

I’m surprised Misty looked up Walter but didn’t do much research at all cause she didn’t know anything about him…like you’d think she’d know about the lawsuit thing with the metal plate in his head

[@JonDundas10]

Or that never happened at all

[@blackdandelion5549]

Settlements w/ NDA's can be amazing if it is true w/ a large company.

[@jaymehoughton5148]

So sus on walter!!

[@naelynn9582]

I don't trust Walter !

[@starlaminde8436]

@@jaymehoughton5148 where did Walter come from?

[@MegaMan4141]

The tree symbol is tilted for a reason: the line through the “girl” is horizontal, representing the ground, so the circle with the triangle starts above ground, and the hook is below ground. Maybe the circle is like a sun, and the triangle through it represents light rays? Anyway, I think Javi was underground in some sort of mining/cave area. While he was running from drugged Shauna, maybe he fell in a hole and couldn’t get out. Maybe there are other versions of each character underground, like in “Us” by Jordan Peele? Not sure how exactly he survived there but that’s the best theory I have

[@WWlogics]

The theme song too is physically getting more eerie, like a messed up tape too.

[@okielady73]

This was the first time they used the version recorded by Alanis Morrissette, so that's why it sounded different.

[@ace-of-teacups]

I think Misty pushed Crystal because she didn't react well to Misty telling her her 'secret - that she destroyed the black box

[@brynniefresh9746]

Misty turning on her closest friend and murdering her would not surprise me much 😂

[@ThiccChickCrisha]

Dinner Tonight!!!

[@rickwrites2612]

​@@ThiccChickCrisha unless she fell in the moose water

[@christinerobbins9376]

I don't think Crystal would have a problem with it seeing how she was happy to tell Misty about how she absorbed her twin and how much she liked eating Jackie, lol ... but I could see it being a case of them playing the card game to see who gets to go "collect the snow for water" and Crystal getting the low card, and then telling Misty; " no you go down there and get it or I'll tell everyone what you did." Annnd, then good 'ole reliable Misty will push her off of the cliff. 😄

[@cartman2847]

I want to see what's in adult Lottie's cabinet

[@CaulfieldBrooks312]

Idk if anyone mentioned it yet but I feel like "Trainspotting" being listed behind Van at the end of the episode is foreshadowing what will happen to Shauna's baby. (its not good) My leading theory is that, in EP 6, the baby is born with minimal complications and everything seems fine. Everyone goes to sleep for the night and they leave the baby in it's little crib, made in EP 3. Shauna wakes up first, only to find that the baby stopped breathing in it's sleep and died (cue the performance that will win Sophie Nelise an Emmy) Could even go alittle darker with it and have it be revealed that Misty or Lottie or dark Tai or, hell, even Shauna while she was hallucinating, but someone, had actually smothered the baby, in a "it's goons die anyway, this is a mercy" type way. Then they bury it. Or cremated it, for really really reals this time, NO BABY CANNIBALISM!!!

[@suzybearheart530]

Damn, that baby scene in Trainspotting was so so dark and awful. 😢 I do hope the baby isn't sacrificed or eaten. I hope he survives and is put up for adoption post rescue but I don't think that will happen.

[@kdizzle901]

@@suzybearheart530 how the hell is that baby gonnna survive lol come on

[@crazyonebyfar]

I love that the writers have thrown so much on us that everyone forgot one of the big questions of the show so far: *Who is the 8th Yellowjacket that got out?* I believe that when it's shown, that revelation is going to pull the rug from under out feet. In fact, I'll put my prediction right now. It's Mari; cause we all so sure that she's "Pit Girl" that when it's revealed she got out, it's gonna blow our minds

[@brynniefresh9746]

I think Lottie seeing the card is her thinking someone needs to be sacrificed…she sacrificed her own blood and said let that be enough, which to me sounds like she thinks the the wilderness or whatever wants blood hence ‘he wants blood’ in French being said, which is all hallucinations might i add, and she gave some of her own blood in hopes of appeasing ‘him’ but it probably won’t be enough…it sounds kind of like a certain type of OCD where you believe you have to do something or like everyone you know will die or some shit, not that I think that’s happening it just reminded me of it, but i definitely think it could just be the schizophrenia…and what her psychiatrist said was really weird cause i can’t think of a single doctor who would tell someone to give into their hallucinations or to find some deeper meaning in them cause some schizophrenics will literally think dead celebrities are talking to them and telling them to do things and that has nothing to do with a deeper meaning 😂

[@christinerobbins9376]

Nat; it's funny how every time you try to help someone things end up bad Lottie; I asked him to call you but he said you make things so much worse ... I sure as hell believing Nat over Lottie 😄 If Travis really did write that note about "telling Nat she was right"... I'm thinking he was finally admitting that Natalie was correct in her assumption that Lottie was full of s***. 😄 of course, it could be that Lottie wrote that note just to f*** with Nat. It wasn't long after she tells adult Nat these words that Natalie decides to stay at the compound

[@thoseradstars]

She most likely hallucinated the doctor’s visit. 1) No psych is going to leave a years or decades long high profile client/patient without letting them know that they are retiring, switching careers, or “taking a sabbatical.” 2) No psych would have told Lottie what this one said regarding the “visions.” 3) The hexagon wall shelving PLUS the flower artwork nearby on the wall. The hexagon shelf by itself could be nothing - I have hexagons all over my walls for specific art pieces, after - but the flower artwork being near the hexagon wall shelves combined with the bad advice about the visions tells me that the scene did not actually occur.

[@courtneydeleonardo4953]

I think her hallucinations or at least some of them are real tho, like she’s clairvoyance

[@Henry21053]

​@@thoseradstars you nailed it!

[@PrisonHoney96]

I theorize that they’re leading us to believe Ben is one of the next to go, but actually quite the opposite is going to happen. The visions he’s having are very detailed and emphasize how badly he wants to escape and live truthfully. Speaking of the book he’s reading, I think it’s going to play a role in him actually flipping the script and begin manipulating the others there with mind games. He’s showed a bit of retaliation to Mari and I think that’s only going to grow from there and further complicate the group dynamic. He seems to be gaining some strength and motivation back as well. The antlers behind his head have to mean something as well. I could be dead wrong but idk 😂 the visions just seem to have too much of a focus not to point at something coming

[@emmacurtis2270]

That would be such a great twist!

[@marissa434]

I saw a theory that they are highlighting the ben “flashbacks” because his ex is going to be either someone who helps them get found or he is the person who wrote the book about the yellowjackets that Adam had

[@christinerobbins9376]

I swear I feel like the Antler Crown is passed from person to person, It shifts as the "spirit/wilderness" slips from one to the other. It reinds me of that old Denzel Washington movie "Fallen" lol. It could also be that French Canadian guy (that they told us we would find out more about this season) who died in the cabin. It's yellowjackets so, who knows 🤷‍♀️😄

[@summerloveleigh]

​@marissa434 the girl who got her leg broke and didn't go on the plane is the one who wrote the book

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@summerloveleigh Ally, yea. I just did not catch that the book Adam had in his drawer (that Shauna saw) was written by her. "The Unauthorized Biography" Guurl? How you gunna write a biography on an event you weren't present for. Starting to wish she HAD been in that flight. She def would have been pit girl 😄🤣

[@DelceniaDamesTucker]

I believe there is more than one Queen, and the Queens do change. Jackie was the first so-called queen until Lottie dethroned Jackie in Season 1 - Lottie to Jackie "You are not needed anymore" - Lottie to Jackie (Season 1 Doomcoming). then there is Taiissa (Her alter ego), Queen 2; Then I believe Nat (White Caribou (Stag - A tremendous change is coming): Nat's comment to Travis, "You know there are no Queens in that deck"(of cards) - Season 1. Lottie mentions this season that when a new Queen is born, she has to kill all of the other Queens, or they all will starve. Four queens in a deck of cards. Thanks for your time.

[@peachkisser]

thanks for your thoughts

[@christinerobbins9376]

Excellent theory. I have been thinking for a while that the position of the antler queen is interchangeable. I think all of the positions are interchangeable because that shot of Shauna with the platter, reminded me that Misty eventually becomes the "server" ( in the final scene of the first episode of the series). Shauna is also the first one to give the first "okay" to eat a teammate... not quite the antler Queen's nod but still reminiscent of giving the signal to begin.

[@mariellas7369]

Laura Lee dressed as Alice is a great observation, I didn't notice that at all. With the Queen of Hearts card and Lotti going down a dreamy "rabbit hole", I have to rewatch this episode with Wonderland in mind.

[@kim3295]

And they’re all sitting around the table like the mad hatter and the door mouse having tea

[@suzybearheart530]

Oooh and instead of a white rabbit there's a white moose!

[@Pupeyes]

Walter throwing off the year span is nothing more than him asserting that he’s not a fan. He just “doesn’t pay attention to any of that Yellowjackets stuff” but he’s totally disingenuous. Also, Travis not reacting appropriately makes sense because 1. He had renounced Javi for believing he was dead 2. Javi didn’t react to anything so Travis noticed it. You can tell he’s reacting to Javi just standing there saying nothing Also, BOUND isn’t just the story of two women 😂 It’s the story of how they try to take already stolen money from a bad guy who has them hostage and well… bound. Then they start noticing each other and get into some girl on girl fun while they’re at it because being bound is the perfect time to fall in love? Written by The Wachowskis. Fun movie indeed.

[@kimmerso1]

Someone from Reddit made the reference to the 90’s mall table scene had resemblance the tea party in Alice in Wonderland.

[@evatesche]

Makes sense with the over-the-top hairstyles the girls are sporting in that scene

[@letsgoeverywhere]

Am I the only one who saw eyes carved into the trees the girl in the chase scene run past in episode 1, season 1? The man with no eyes, the queen of hearts, the tree eyes, the eyes drawn by Sammy... creepier than the symbol imo.

[@blackdandelion5549]

Even though Tai's grandma was the one to see the man with no eyes I believe he is tied to Tai in some way. The only time grandma saw him was when Tai was in the room. Sammy sees him when Tai is in her other state of mind.

[@christinerobbins9376]

Also... Lottie's whole little speech to adult Nat about how the Queen Bees sting the other queens to death makes me think whoever draws the Queen is the next victim. We've been focusing on that heart pendant which also might be connected to whoever gets hunted next, but the Queen card definitely seems like a bad omen.

[@juliannjohnson1162]

The heart pendant also belonged to the first killed queen, Jackie. And the card is queen of hearts.

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@juliannjohnson1162 ooohhhh, great point!! (About Jackie being the first queen and it being her pendant) I mean I guess technically they didn't kill Jackie , lol, but they made up for it by eating her 😄) I honestly don't know which one would be worse, lol.

[@simondayan2737]

I love how much this series deals with mental health, grief, trauma nostalgia and the importance of exploring our shadow.

[@christinerobbins9376]

And personally I think Walter is more likely connected to Jessica Roberts than Adam. We know that Ty went to Jessica's apartment and got Vans address in the current timeline which leads me to believe that Jessica has an entire dossier on the entire team. Jessica was a private detective. Walter is Mr. "I put the sic in forensics" guy. I could very easily see him being Jessica's forensic guy. And if she was studying up on the team then I'm sure there were bits of info about Adam. Shauna literally got into the car crash with Adam on the day that Jessica visited her, I believe. And the last time we see Misty and Jessica together is in the very last episode of last season and no one has mentioned her until Tai takes her car. So, the police already knocking on Shauna's door about Adam but no one has mentioned Miss Roberts?... it would also explain how Walter knows so much about Misty. And Adam. That's just my crackpot Theory feel free to roast me 😄🙏

[@christinerobbins9376]

I still do not believe that Adam was just some random dude...He may also be connected to both Walter and Jessica. Jessica had already found out none of the girls were willing to talk, even for a substantial amount of money. So, the three of them may have been working in tandem to take a different approach to see what they could get out of the girls. And Tai "hired" her. But that doesn't mean Tai was her only client. She could have been working for Ty's competition, also.

[@blackdandelion5549]

Maybe Walter was Jessica Robert's Hacker ad he knows Misty was the last person she visited?

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@blackdandelion5549 oooooo.....that's good!

[@amandaanstett6973]

This makes complete sense actually. Especially since they focus on her in recaps so much still.

[@amandaanstett6973]

@@blackdandelion5549 In the sense of hacking Jessica, or being a hacker employed by Jessica?

[@Loujam902]

The purple colour on the walls of the drs office struck me, along with the honeycomb

[@melukar]

Regarding Moriarty - Sherlock was his only intellectual equal. To say looking for his Watson would be to indicate one was beneath the other.

[@5h4rp13]

Yeah I feel like there's a lot more nuance to that comment than them being enemies. By a lot of readings and interpretations, the two practically loved each other because they were the only equals they saw, so I feel like while Walter might not be a Yellowjackets conspiracist, I think he is obsessed with Misty

[@CherylHeather]

This could be a stretch but maybe there is a similarity between wherever Javi was and the story of Persephone kidnapped by Hades, especially w all the references to eating vs not eating (Jackie drinking hot chocolate and Lottie almost eating in the “mall”) in the afterlife/limbo Persephone ate 7 seeds trapping her for 7 months maybe Javi did something similar wherever he went allowing him to return but only temporarily? Love your videos thanks for making them! 😀

[@notamberp]

but he literally ran away, so he didn’t want them to see him, so i don’t think that’s it

[@Mikayla_Y_1998]

You should make a video explaining what guesses you got right/wrong when the whole season is over :)

[@AshSilver]

I definitely will!

[@ltrskltr]

Misty has a Queen of Hearts hairdo around the “mall table”

[@thejesuscortes]

This could be a potential spoiler. In an interview with Sophie Nelisse and Melanie Lynsky, they essentially get asked “could you be mean if you had to?” Sophie says that Melanie is really nice and if they “drew her card”, they’d refuse to kill her anyways. I think this could mean that they use a deck of cards to pick which girl will be sacrificed. Lottie seeing the queen of hearts could be even more significant since Natalie says there’s no queens in the deck left in the cabin in season 1. This could mean that (assuming Lottie is the antler queen) Lottie was basically safe from being picked to kill. Her seeing the queen of hearts might mean that the wilderness is coming back to finally claim her too.

[@christinerobbins9376]

I think it's more like Lottie kept the one Queen card and whoever draws it is the next Hunted

[@naegne]

Javi brought the queen card when he came back, gave it to Akilah; don’t know the exact minute but there is a scene where in the back for a second or two, Akilah’s voice is heard asking “Javi, where’d you get this queen card?“ or sth

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@naegne ooooo! I totally missed that 😱 So "Javi's Friend" maybe gave it to him? I think sleepwalking Tai might be this friend (she knew exactly how to find him) and I think Lottie is "whispering weird sh*t" (in Shauna's words, lol) to sleepwalking Tai, as well. I think this is how Lottie knew Javi was alive. Through Tai.

[@jessicalynnkoch9377]

I have a theory that the reason javi looked so scared and was acting weird when he came into the cabin is bc I think he saw them eating Jackie. Maybe he’s been watching them and that might also be why when he saw van and tai in the woods, he ran from them. Maybe he even saw the events of the day the day after doom-coming and saw them kick Jackie out and saw her die. He was probably scared of them and stayed away.

[@Vousdoyou]

I did not even think about that💀

[@ThiccChickCrisha]

It took me forever to realize the veil of the antler queen is a soccer ⚽ net!!😅😅😅

[@crystalcausey2681]

The Queen of Hearts card- the eyes are scratched out. How is that connected to the "no eyes man"? Also side note at the mention of Laura Lee - it the girls made a pact to never speak about what happened in the wilderness once they were rescued- that means the families of those who are dead have no idea what happened to their loved ones? I not just talking about the ritualistic murders, but also like Laura Lees explosion, Jackies sleep death, those who died in the crash. Are they just silent about all of it? I guess they would have to be. But you'd think those families would fight them on that. Espcially Jackies family who have embraced Shauna (although very nasty to her)- you'd think they would demand to know what happened to her. Or maybe they did pick and choose what to acknowledge and probably fabricated some facts.

[@illicitveniceb]

that’s insane how well you predicted krystal’s death!!

[@KorbenD3P0]

Felt like the psychiatrist was planted by someone who wants her to keep having visions. Possibly even her own cult.

[@marissa434]

Agreed!!

[@kiernan415]

Loved hearing your thoughts and predictions for what's coming! This season seems even harder to predict because they are throwing more dream sequences/hallucinations/flashbacks into the mix. You are doing an amazing job sifting through it though!!! Walter saying "being a Yellowjacket is the least interesting thing about you" to Misty seems like he knows much more about her then he's letting on. He could know more about her past than we, the viewers do so that could get interesting. My main concern with him getting close to Misty is that he might figure out where the Adam's body parts were dumped. Some of him was cremated, but his torso that has a distinctive tattoo is still out there somewhere and could become problematic for Shauna and the women that helped her dispose of him. I'm thoroughly enjoying the Walter/Misty dynamic, but Walter is probably going to have to die before the season is out so am mentally preparing for that. lol No real predictions here, but I do have a favor to ask... IDK if this is intentional on the show's part or not, but I feel a bit lost about where we are in the crash timeline. We know that they are out there for 19 months and the crash happened around Homecoming which is usually Sept./Oct. (ish) for high schools in the US. Going by that, Shauna likely got pregnant sometime in August or early September (?), which would make her due date (if she carried to term) May or June. Some of the episodes have time-jumped by a few months, while others don't at all which has left me very confused about where they are at and hope that you might help at least nail down the month they are in when you do another video if you feel so inclined. Thanks Ash. You're awesome!!

[@christinerobbins9376]

I'm pretty sure they buried the other crash victims at the end of spring when Shana was in her first trimester. So I'm thinking this is their first Winter which means they still have another winter to go before they are rescued... the Show creator that said that cannibalism is the least of these girls transgressions in the wilderness so I can't imagine how much worse it will get in the second winter 😄🙏

[@okielady73]

Someone mentioned in episode one or two of season two that Shauna was 7 months pregnant, and we know she got pregnant shortly before they left for nationals because her first missed period was after they were stranded. Around the same time that they mentioned Shauna being 7 months pregnant, we learned Jackie had been dead for 2 months, which means they'd been there for 5 months before Jackie died. The crash happened around prom, because Allie had been upset (before her broken leg) that she was going to have to miss prom to go to nationals. Homecoming (doomcoming) was right before Jackie died (5 months after the crash), and prom usually closer to the end of the school year. We see that they are rescued in 1998 but they don't specify yet which month. If they've been there roughly 7 months, they would have about a year left, so the current episodes have to be happening in January of 97 at the very earliest. Given all of that, my best guess is that the crash happened in June of 1996, Jackie died in November, and Shauna's baby should be born in March.

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@okielady73 excellent breakdown 🙏💖

[@kiernan415]

@@okielady73 Oh wow. Thank you very much for taking the time to break it down like that!! You are THE BEST! 💜IDK why, but I had it in my head that they crashed in Sept./Oct. '96, but you're timeline makes more sense with how far along Shauna is and it seemingly being the apex of winter. Thanks again!

[@okielady73]

@@christinerobbins9376 Thanks! ❤

[@aliengranpa]

I thought Walter might be Adams brother, but I don't think he would draw it out that long. I DO still think he's a serial killer... And so is Misty.

[@chaosdream21]

I just want to say, there are a number of channels by men that get their Yellowjackets recaps out pretty quickly but they don't feel like they're done by real true Fellowjackets like over at Reddit. Your videos feel like the ones I actually want to watch, like real thought is put into them so thank you.

[@cartman2847]

You could just say other channels. No need to be sexist lol

[@notamberp]

@@cartman2847 tell that to men 🥰

[@suzybearheart530]

Like that guy who kept calling Taissa "Tee-asia" 😂

[@TeeTV22]

💩…..

[@AshSilver]

Thank you Nina! I really love the show so that means a lot! I am very lucky because KZbin is a hobby for me so I only cover what I really want, of course I love when the videos get views and people enjoy them, but I have fun either way when I cover what I like!

[@banannakis6723]

Interesting about Walter saying it was thirty years ago, I didn't really think anything of that. Simply because I thought it was the normal thing how people usually round up or exaggerate a number from a long time ago. Since time can start to blend together, especially as an adult. When the birds dropped out of nowhere I kept thinking it felt like Hunger Games and perhaps they are being watched by someone or something. That it was dropping off food for them because it gave them entertainment/something to study. I knew Javi was alive because his being dropped in would be the perfect OMG moment to confuse everyone. He was probably kept somewhere and taken care of. Since he looks well taken care of and disconnected with everything. I wouldn't be surprised if Ben having a disconnect with reality kills one of the girls, and so the girls in turn kill him.

[@notamberp]

the birds were not dropped off food lol they’re not going to pull a wilds, 100%

[@banannakis6723]

@@notamberp I not saying they are, it's just what they reminded me of. Like they are under observation by something or someone.

[@markpfeffer7487]

Calling it. Javi found a missile silo or some kind of hatch. Explains the imagery of lottie in the tunnel with candles when she was getting baptized.

[@markpfeffer7487]

He and Ben also didn't eat Jackie or put the dirt/deerblood unguent on their foreheads during the seance. Tbh I think Havi was terrified when he got found. He ran because he probably saw them eating Jackie. Also they hunted him when they were trippin. Also!!! When Jackie stabbed Adam (or maybe in s2e05 I forget) but there were flashes of imagery. Her having sex with Jeff, stabbing Adam, and interestingly, there's like 2 frames of a man with a mustache (matt). Shauna will kill Matt. Or her daughter will. Yeah definitely her daughter.

[@kim3295]

Im starting to think that the symbol is a map and it has to do with trigonometry. They’ve mentioned trigonometry way too many times. In the very first episode of the series the elderly former trig teacher, the third episode Laura Lee mentions trig class when they’re praying over the dead, Callie mentions having to do her trig homework in another episode…. So I googled trigonometry diagrams and the triangles and circles look very similar to the symbol.

[@jenniferbemus1561]

Elijah wood is the "missing therapist" 😮

[@Euphrosyned]

I thought he was suspect until they did that side by side montage now I think they're soul mates but he's gonna find out she's fucked up or she's gonna assume he's shady when he isn't and it'll get ruined or she'll kill him. They won't get rid of 2 out of 3 black girls in season 2 and keep all the white ones. It's not 1985.

[@brynniefresh9746]

well we know most of them are dead…and the only ones we know aren’t pit girl are the white-ish ones so it would make sense to keep the white-ish ones around just for the suspense…I’m not saying they should kill all the women of color tho but we also have to go with what they’re implying which is that one of the girls they’ve given some story to will probably die soon, that’s Mari, Crystal, and Akilah

[@snakey319]

When Walter said the name Morirarity we knew he wasnt who he says he is. the games afoot and Sherlock was never wrong.

[@marianagomez165]

maybe what happened to javi is a case of Missing 411, where someone dissapears without a trace in the wilderness and shows up weeks or months later miles away from where they dissapeared originally with no recollection of how they got there, this are real cases and goes hand in hand with all the supernatural stuff going on in the show.

[@Stanhope66]

I believe that the young Misty’s new BFF who also loves theater and show-tunes is her imaginary friend.

[@kim3295]

Sophie nelisse commented in an interview with Melanie lynsky about Melanie drawing a card and being “too nice to kill”

[@kasia_2400]

Thanks Ash for your review. It's less difficult for me to understand each episode😊. And I have no theories 😂

[@Michael-vn2jj]

I think Javi was in the in-between place Travis attempted to go to in present time according to Lottie. I feel like this in between place is going to be a prominent part of main plot by end of this season. That would tie in the man with no eyes from season 1 as he was introduced as a figure that is around death or near death in Ts childhood by her grandma. Maybe that sign has something to do with like being in purgatory or something like that.

[@christinerobbins9376]

Javi is also the only one who has not "spilled the blood" 🤷‍♀️😄🙏

[@alisachamoy225]

Thanks for the shout out!

[@lynneraaflaub445]

I watched the bts making of the moose scene, with Nat. Incredible how they pulled that off. The writers of the show have definitely brought their A game.👏

[@cartman2847]

Travis is going to be pissed at Nat for faking Javi's death

[@brynniefresh9746]

I mean she didn’t really fake his death…she pretended to find something that proved he was injured

[@cartman2847]

@@brynniefresh9746 She wanted Travis to stop looking for Javi by trying to show he was dead with the bloody torn clothing

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@cartman2847 the assumption was that he was dead…but there is no actual way he could have been alive after months of being in the cold (lottie was out there for a couple hours and she almost died of hypothermia) and even if he was eating bear meat it couldn’t have been that much and it’s been like 3 months now it’s physically impossible…but if you found bloody clothes from anyone and they’ve been missing you’d assume they died 🤷‍♀️

[@cartman2847]

That's pretty much what I said lol Travis still believed Javi was alive and Nat planted fake evidence to get him to give up searching

[@cartman2847]

@@brynniefresh9746 well maybe Javi's just in everyone imagination or in between

[@Prophyria816]

Good point about them making a point it isn't her regular therapist..and yes, she said some things that I feel a therapist would not say. While this is a show, what she said to Lottie felt wayyyy off. I don't remember the exact words, but felt like she was feeding into Lottie's visions, which, a Mental health professional would not do. You don't encourage delusions/delusional behavior and give reality a backseat.

[@ZumbaWithMayD]

Love ur recaps and theories! I actually feel like the more I watch the less I think Lottie is the antler queen. I also know the cast and production actually said “antler queen” was created by the audience so it was probably never meant for to be one girl. Also, when Shauna said “they” did something terrible out - meaning they all partake. Tbh, with Shauna’s lawlessness I call her the antler queen.

[@amandaanstett6973]

Young Lottie is acting like she is unsure about being thrust into a position of leadership as well.

[@lailasantos6243]

I think it's Other Tai

[@ZumbaWithMayD]

@@lailasantos6243 that’s actually my other theory too. The Tai is already a leader and other Tai is very much connected to the wilderness

[@lailasantos6243]

It makes sense and it's not as obvious as Lottie could be

[@nahhhbruhhh]

I don’t think Crystal is real . I feel like Misty imagined her.

[@soap_soap]

if they kill Akilah I just can’t watch the show because her and Jackie are my faves and one of them was already on the dinner table 😢

[@abbyugh9807]

melanie lynskey said whatever happens next is so terrible and haunting that she cried after reading it and thinks of it often :///

[@carlisleorama]

A friend and I were once again theorizing that Adam actually was adult Javi, only he himself may not have even known/ remembered the past. And we think something mysterious happened to him in the underground or wherever he's been. Maybe he's even a doppelgänger, like they did with Agent Cooper in Twin Peaks.

[@DaisyChain808]

Four Queens of hearts... Shauna Misty Taissa Lottie Google what each card means… There is a description of a personality.

[@cheri7054]

I think Coach Ben is having life flashbacks cuz I believe he's the next to die. He may end his life or he dies naturally. He did say in the last episode something about the girls eating him.

[@peachkisser]

i don’t think those are flashbacks i think he’s hallucinating what would’ve happened if he stayed with his boo

[@cheri7054]

@@peachkisser when I think of Hallucinations I think of Lottie's visions. When she sees Laura Lee's looking all strange and scary

[@brynniefresh9746]

because he said something like ‘what if i did? (eat the bear meat) would you eat me’ I don’t think they will eat him he’ll probably unalive himself by jumping off a cliff or drowning in the lake something they wouldn’t be able to recover to eat

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@peachkisser no the only thing that wasn’t real was more like a daydream of him moving in with his bf instead of going on the soccer trip

[@cbelyse]

He's daydreaming

[@katelyncalcutt6776]

HOLD UP!!! Adam said...his brother was a surgeon right??? So that would make sense that Walter is rich!! But he can't say that, not knowing what Misty may know about Adam and his family. What if it's his brother??

[@amandagraveley2539]

I also feel like there is a connection with Adam and Walter; but I am sort of getting the sense that maybe the connection is more sinister and that Walter had been manipulating Adam (without Adam knowing.) I suspect that Walter created his accident on purpose to manipulate Adam into being indebted to him (and that this is a common trap Walter plays on people.) I think that Walter is a serial killer/sociopath and is enamored by the Yellowjackets because he thinks they are like him in some core way (but they are something more which is probablyboth exciting and annoying to Walter.) I think he is using Misty to get to the group; he seems to have so much specific knowledge about Misty's relationship with Crystal/Krysten in the wilderness.. like the specific songs they sang on the day Misty ran Crystal off the cliff and it almost seems like he was secretly trying to taunt Misty about her secret guilt of killing/being responsible for Crystal dying. I think Walter has been manipulating Adam and a few other minor characters since before Adam met Shawna, and maybe Walter is a driving factor in Shawna and Adam meeting (because Walter is trying to infiltrate the Yellowjackets group.)

[@katelyncalcutt6776]

@@amandagraveley2539 Good theory!! Just so I understand exactly what you mean, what do you think Walter could have over Adams head to be able to control and manipulate him that way?? I agree it can't be a coincidence...Adam may be gone physically but there's no way his story or his purpose is over with just yet.

[@katelyncalcutt6776]

@@amandagraveley2539 Also, could you share your theory on Shauna's baby?? What do you think is to come?? Alive or stillborn etc? Do you think Javi is truly back for good and alive, or is he a ghost? And the question that's scattering my brain....WHO IS THE 8TH SURVIVOR THAT WE HAVE YET TO SEE OR HEAR ABOUT?? Why haven't they been mentioned? It seems like the girls have no desire to reach out to anyone else...but then again no one was gonna reach out to Van except Tai.....ugh I am so obsessed. Sorry for all the questions but I love your Adam theory, so I feel like we may have similar ideas on the questions I asked!

[@amandagraveley2539]

@Katelyn Calcutt it's just a hunch I am holding onto from season 1; but money didn't seem to be an issue or a thought with Adam in season 1 (what with the damages to both his and Shauna's car or paying for anything in episode 2.) He just seemed really disconnected from the concept of spending money; as if he had a life changing experience that affected his perception of the value of money. Almost like he used to have lots of it and for some reason he has none of it. I couldn't get a read on what it was until episode 3, where Adam mentions to Shauna (in the hotel bar that is way to expensive of a hang out for Adam to just casually attend on his own) "it looked like it was frayed down to a single wire, but actually it was aircraft cable. It could hold over 4000 pounds. But it turns out the NYPD wasn't so thrilled about having a giant bank safe dangling above the street of Chelsea. After that deblace, I pretty much had to swallow my pride and move back across the river. I was flat broke, but it made me connect with my roots again..." This story made me think that Adam had hurt someone and that maybe the accident wasn't so accidental (given Adam's admission about the cable being durable enough but looked like it had been frayed... suggesting someone may have tampered with it.) Then in episode 4 he mentions "what if you hit someone" to Shauna when she carelessly hits a golf ball across the fence. He seemed genuinely worried about unintended consequences of his actions hurting someone else with Shauna.. it raised a flag for me. There were even a few shots where Adam looked like he was looking for someone in the background, as if he knew someone else was around him watching him when he was with Shauna and I wondered if this person was involved in the incident Adam mentioned in the bar. In episode 8 Adam mentioned "grew up in the suburbs of Houston" and has "an older brother --Ann Arbor Michigan" who is a colorectal surgeon. Then he mentions a "friend with a cabin in the Poconos" where he and Shauna can go. Then in episode 8 Shauna had a freak out about her stolen journals, which as she rightfully points out "The code is the flight number. It's so fucking dumb. Any fanboy could figure that out." While I actually don't Adam stole the journals, I do think his escapades with Shauna presented really good opportunities, for someone who knew about Adam's affair with Shauna (because they know Adam,) to steal the journals so they could learn about the Yellowjackets on a very personal level. Shauna even suggested that someone else put Adam up to it, and I think that there isn't much that gets past Shauna (other than the things she chooses to ignore.) Natalie also remarks "well he was working with somebody else, that is obvious" in episode 10. In season 2 episode 1, while Misty was reading Walter's post I did notice a post to the thread that mentioned Adam's art shows (which I thought was weird considering neither Callie or Shauna were able to find a trace of Adam Martin on the internet, specifically in regards to his art shows, before he was killed by Shauna.. we saw them both look him up and find nothing.) So that post was weird, but it might just be a good decoy post from whoever actually knows Adam's identity (because they would expect that people don't know the real identity of Adam, just his fake identity, and can use this information to manipulate people into telling them their secrets.) In Walter's post he mentioned mail fraud; I think someone who had access to Adam's apartment (maybe they were paying for it) had access to his mail in the apartment and therefore his credit cars statement. I also found it peculiar that Walter mentioned "it's always the husband. Unless that is, it's the mysterious lady friend...." I think it's one thing to be able to determine that Adam was having an affair based on the credit card statements becausethat’sobviousto deduce from lingerie, but it’s an entirely different thing to suppose that the other person Adam was sleeping with was married and that the husband was involved in Adam's death. That is a wildly accurate guess that can't be deduced from just credit card statements, but reading Shauna's journals and personally witnessing Shauna's husband's involvement would grant you this knowledge. I imagine that when Misty down voted Walter, it was his intention to bait the murderer into revealing themselves. Once this happens, Walter appears. During Walter's visit to the nursing home in episode 2 of season 2 he walked into that nursing home loaded with what seemed to be secret knowledge about Misty, specifically when he says "We've all heard the horror stories. The phone it in nurses. The all-to-common sadist" before making direct eye contact with Misty (as if to make a statement to Misty or in response to her down voting him when he already knew the truth.) I don't think it was a friendly greeting, Misty doesn't know Walter is a threat nor would she believe anyone to be a threat to her (Misty thinks Misty is top of the food chain because she is always the keeper of secrets and has the upper hand, she doesn't know any other dynamics.) It's funny because Walter's mentions in his secret letter to Misty that he had I.D.'ed Randy at the Motel because Randy has more to do with the Adam Martin case than it does with checking the camera for Natalie (who Walter would know nothing about at this point if he is a stranger.) How did Walter know there was any connection between Randy and what Misty is looking for? Unless he had already been looking into all these people before he made his presence known to them and he already had this information on hand. In episode 3 Walter also mentioned that he has the boat because he hates "beaurocratic red tape; you never know when you might need to leave the country, sand passport", which leads me to believe that Walter has committed crimes that he is worried he might to flee the country (maybe to the Mediterranean region mentioned on Adam's shirt in season 1.) At any rate, something about that is suspicious and honestly Walter had that little saw ready for action at his bedside for his interrogation with Misty (that dude was ready for a murder.) Walter even makes that really lazy comment about suggesting that he thought Natalie was kidnapped by "teammates" from a "softball league" but I'm pretty sure he was hinting that he knew more about the Yellowjackets than he previously let on. He already knew the soda machine was going to be the next clue for Misty, which is why he casually mentioned grabbing a drink of Mountain Dew before Misty goes (so she can have her revelation in front of him and keep him involved.) It's funny because when Misty challenged Walter on the truth, which threatens to expose him, he flips the narrative back to Adam Martin and Misty (I think because that is what connects Walter to Misty.) And of course the most sus thing he says this episode is that he is a "bored Moriarty who's looking for his Sherlock", which is only a character a villain would empathize and associate with. In episode 4 when Walter pulled out the soundtrack to Misty's wilderness life, specifically pulling the songs Misty sung on the day she killed Chrsytal seems like too much of a coincidence. I would imagine that Shauna could have documented some of this information in her journals, which Walter might have had access to, so when he is offering things to Misty he knows he is really manipulating her reactions (which probably feels really good to him.) He looked elated by Misty's song choice. I think Misty had a really good read on Walter for a minute when she called him out, but when that threatens his opportunity to participate he starts to backtrack and offer information that makes him seem less threatening. He even says he sought her out "because you dropped a Sweeney Todd reference once." I think he was being honest here and I think that when he read that quote he immediately thought he had found another killer like him (in Misty and her teammates.) Walter probably doesn't care about what happened in the Wilderness, but he is probably quite intrigued by what it brings out in people. Then in the dinner I noticed his plate. He has exactly the same eggs and coffee set up that I had noticed in Adam's apartment, which could be nothing. BUT THEN Walter mentioned he was a multimillionaire by stating "remember that scaffolding company that got sued a couple of years back when their beams came loose and caused a torrent of bricks to hit that poor guy who was walking under it? Well, he had to have a metal plate put in his head and settled in court for six million dollars. Yeah the whole thing is on KZbin, even the experts don't know how I survived." That story, I believe is the other half of Adam's story. I don't think it was an accident though, I think Walter is just very smart and got away with it by pinning it on Adam Martin. Walter even suggested in episode 3 season 2 that he would (in a cult leader's shoes) "like to make people think they have the element of surprise," which I think this has been his strategy (keeping his cards close and only playing hands he knows he will lose to make people think he is not a threat.) This is a person who likes to always be the puppet master, not the puppet. But I could also be reading into things way too much 🤣🐝🦌❤️

[@katelyncalcutt6776]

@@amandagraveley2539 Oh my god!! You are DEFINITELY on to a lot here! Thank you so much I can't tell you how much I enjoyed your comment bc I agree 100%! Ugh so frustrating I can't find a friend around where I live to share stuff this in depth with me. Conversations like this give me life. Now, I just have to point out and ask....the beginning of your comment about the journals being stolen. This is very confusing for me, and it can't be the end of story type thing. So, we know Jeff admitted to not only reading Shauna's journals years ago and never saying a word to her about it....we know he also blackmailed the girls....if I remember correctly he didn't act stunned or shocked the journals were missing. This makes no sense to me, bc Shauna hasn't really panicked about the journals either since killing Adam which she knows now did not take her journals (that is, unless he did and he passed them on to the person he might have been working for/with) I just find it so strange she hasn't freaked out anymore about them, or that she didn't flip on Jeff...I can't be the only one super suspicious of Jeff. So for example, he read the journals...so he's well aware of the hell those girls went thru...but still would blackmail them and even go to the extent of seriously injuring one of them the night he got the money? There's something about that whole situation with him thats isn't sitting right with me. It can't be that simple, no way. ALSO have you watched episode 6 yet?? I feel like it didn't leave us with much to discuss unfortunately but I think that was on purpose. Poor young Shauna..I was rooting for that baby. Oh and I also want to point out the static on the screen like "glitches" when coach Ben and others have flashbacks. What could this mean? And Shauna's dreams....all too real. Could there be an alternate dimension? So many questions. Thank you so so much for discussing this with me. I absolutely love it. I appreciate the details you pick up on and reading between the lines. Not many people do that, so it's nice to talk to someone who gets it and sees things the way I do!

[@taliaasims]

Unpopular opinion but I think nat becomes antler queen. I think they all vote and it’s a tie between lottie and nat and lottie breaks the tie and chooses nat. Idk but it also bothers me that they said in season one they wouldn’t have made it without nat and I wonder why.

[@brynniefresh9746]

I’m actually thinking the opposite, like nat is the only one at the end not following lottie so she’s the one who ends up finding a way out

[@taliaasims]

@@brynniefresh9746 yes this is possible too. This show makes me run around in circles 😂

[@cheri7054]

In the end Shauna's daughter will protect Shauna in the Adam investigation. Shauna may get away with it. Shauna may hurt Jeff since he also knows the truth about Shauna and what she did to Adam.

[@brynniefresh9746]

Callie is still talking to that cop so I think she’s gonna get them in trouble but I also think that cop might be the reason the whole case is thrown out cause he’s only really getting info from a MINOR by supplying her alcohol and continuing an inappropriate relationship with her and idk if he knows she’s 16 or not but it doesn’t really matter

[@MaryJane-zw5pv]

​@@brynniefresh9746Right. I just love how tv cops portray real cops: they commit several crimes in order to make an arrest. so fucking gross 😢.. but I think Callie is DEFINITELY going to sell out Shauna and Jeff... She wasn't asking if she could help them cook at the end of last episode because she wanted to bond with them. I think she is going to he the nail in their coffin (without necessarily knowing that she is feeding information directly to the police) and they(Shauna and Jeff) are going to have to do something about it.

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@MaryJane-zw5pv yeah I agree I think she’s gonna fuck them over unintentionally cause she’s already been doing that but we know the cops show up at their house at some point and that’ll probably be because of shauna lmao

[@mz.yumyum1461]

I watched someone's shorts videos where it actually showed an interview with teen Shana and adults Shana and the younger version said to the older that oshana is so nice even if she pulled the card people would say oh we're not going to kill you will give it to somebody else!!!! So that Queen of hearts is definitely going to be how they decide who will become pit girl!!!

[@cheri7054]

Misty will foil Nat's attempts to investigate Lottie. Her secret is nobody knows she's on meds or seeing a therapist. Nat won't be able to do it properly with Misty being around.

[@brynniefresh9746]

that actually makes sense…cause she doesn’t want the others to really seek outside help but she is getting outside help the whole time, even if it is only once a year

[@amandaanstett6973]

@@brynniefresh9746 Yep, very hypocritical. She makes others ween off their meds, but wants to up her own.

[@susanc7752]

Is it possible Lottie keeps getting her prescription and instead of taking it herself is slipping them to her followers?

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@amandaanstett6973 well to be fair I have depression and have weened off of my meds and feel better…but schizophrenics should not do that…like it really depends on what the psychological condition is 😂

[@heidismutti]

Antler Queen is the victim. A deer is the HUNTED, not the hunter. Perhaps they feed her well to fatten her up before eating her.

[@mackterri6165]

It’s starting feel like the Jordan Poole “US” a lil bit. Javi is definitely a different person.

[@leonardwashington3710]

I really want Akilah to bring her mouse home.

[@Monkey559100]

Maybe Walter is working with the cops to catch Shauna and that's why he seems so suspicious of Misty and why he has access to information through his "hacking" skills

[@s.miller2187]

Or, he is playing super-sleuth to find out what really happened with the Yellowjackets in the wilderness.

[@DaisyChain808]

In the séance the answer to "will we die out here" was eight... I think Eight survive, we know of five? who are the other three? Something like that

[@cartman2847]

I'm thinking that Lottie's is imagining the therapist lol

[@floralaura2543]

I kinda don’t believe Walter is his real name. That was not a popular name at all back around when he was born.

[@meghanodonoghue9066]

An interesting thought I had was about a psychological term called 'magical thinking ', which is quite often associated with a malcoping trauma , where an individual feels that if they do something (example knock three times on every door prior to entry) they can affect an outcome. It can often be a way to garner a sense of control in viotile environments but also places guilt on the individual if the outcome is not the one desired. It can lead to OCD or delusional thinking. I don't agree with the majority of responses in respect to the physiotherapist. I did not take what she was communicating to Lottie was to give into the visions, but to have Lottie contemplate WHY she was having the visions. It runs parallel to the conversation with Lisa and her mother. Do we identify and confront? Or do we numb and suppress? Lisa is confronting her depression and allowing herself to feel it so she can develop a routine without the numbing effects of medication, where as Lottie is purposely trying to numb and ignore her feelings and thoughts. Hiding from the trauma she thought she had put to rest but was most likely reopened with the death of Travis. The vision of Laura Lee brought up long repressed guilt and fear and Lottie is doing her best to hide from it. Yellowjackets loves to keep us guessing and connecting two separate truths to a particular event, the duel sided nature of life. I think magical thinking could be a double entandra with it being both psychological as well as supernatural, i.e., magical.

[@jesseclouse8517]

Adam had a brother right? This could be Walter.

[@Halseyismyrealname]

I love your Yellow jacket videos they’re just as fun as the episode itself - my routine is watch yellow jackets then watch your videos to get the full experience

[@AshSilver]

Thank you so much love!

[@Chloe_prices_spliff]

One of the designers said to watch out and follow who wears Mistys sweater this season

[@thecatspyjamas]

Awesome theories! I love the Alice in Wonderland link 👍 I had read the mercury poisoning theory and the Mad Hatter link, but didn’t notice Laura Lee dressed as Alice. Plus the Queen of Hearts, whose catchphrase is “Off with her head!” I’m sure that’s how they pick the cannibal sacrifices 👏👏👏

[@s.miller2187]

The oxidation in the water can cause heavy metal toxicity which can cause psychosis, neurodegeneration, and BIRTH DEFECTS. They could be hallucinating and delusional as a result and what will the effects be on Shauna's baby? What if they are all suffering from the groundwater being toxic? Perhaps that's what killed the birds, made the bear docile?

[@mymuses4336]

LOVE THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY WEARING PURPLE! ^..^

[@AlphaJayCharlie]

I still think there’s a chance Walter isn’t even real. We’ve never seen Misty operate alone. She doesn’t do well with “alone”. Him being essentially a male version of her seems telling

[@brynniefresh9746]

he literally meets nat 😂 it’s been in the promo before and it’s next week

[@MaryJane-zw5pv]

but the scene with Walter interrogating Randy?? that could not have been Misty and Randy in some split personality because "they have known eachother since grade school"... then the entire scene would have been a total lie and Randy would have had to have been killed off by Misty in the "real" plot. I like where your head is at, i think Misty and Walter are DEFINITELY shown to be one and and same and mirror eachother but I don't think he is a figment of her imagination.

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@MaryJane-zw5pv and we also see him interact with nat in the promo for next week…I think there’s a lot more to his character but he’s definitely real

[@AlphaJayCharlie]

@@brynniefresh9746 everyone says stuff like this and acts as if disassociation isn’t a narrative direction. A character can in fact be non existent and still interact with other characters and things, AS LONG as the non existent characters actions are also apart of the originators imagination.

[@brynniefresh9746]

@@AlphaJayCharlie why would they pull some stupid plot where this character is hallucinating a whole person when we haven’t seen her hallucinate at all…if she was hallucinating to that extent it would be schizophrenia bro like what purpose would that serve? I mean what about the scene with randy? it obviously wasn’t just Misty with him otherwise he would’ve just left coz he knows who she is aka not an FBI agent

[@laurah6103]

I think Misty kills Crystal bc she found out and wanted to tell the group

[@amandagraveley2539]

In season 1 Adam mentioned a catastrophic accident that he was involved in; i was reminded of it when Walter discussed his head injury because it felt parallel to Adam's story (like two parts of one story.) I suspect that Walter had a similar obsession/fascination with Adam, as he does now with Misty and that Walter used his money to manipulate people into his web of lies, like Adam (through a law suit.) I actually think that Walter purposely caused his own accident to extort or manipulate Adam and keep him close to Walter (because what a perfect way to make someone feel indebted to Walter and get them to do things for him, than to fake an injury and frame Adam.)

[@buddleiabee]

Persephone is the Alice in wonderland vibe. Gigi young talks about this spiritual symbolism. Tai hughlighting the left eye, we see this with celebrities alot. The left eye club. Eye of Horus?

[@JaRonFit]

Misty for sure is a serial killer in season one that dude she was on a date with....she was going to kill him....from my understanding a serial killer needs to get at least three people to ✔️ ✔️ the boxes ....also on that website Misty was chatting on there was an article about a nurse that was poisoning people....so we do the math and just imagine how many people Misty has killed in the woods and then the 20 plus years she was out.....I think Misty is a much bigger factor than we think.......also If Lottie has visions she knows that Misty smashed the black box...........a theory I have about Pit Girl........If you remember in the season one finale after Jackie died....then she walked into the cabin and everybody was inside the cabin and we saw that man......I think that's the timeline or when pit girl happened..... ,

[@mrsbathtop5214]

If you guys look back at episode 1 from season 1 Natalie said she lost her purpose when they returned from the wild. She then went in search of travis which seemed to be her purpose at the time as she mentioned to her therapy group that they helped h with find a new purpose but then travis died. So she lost her purpose again. And tried to unalive her self. When lotties cult took her and she had that dream that seemed like a vision from a near to death experience. Remember what travis told lottie? He needs to have a near to death in experience to gain answers and to tell nat that she was right. I believe Nat has now made this investigation her purpose and is why she is now staying at the cult camp getting closer to Lottie.

[@tiffanymartinez4665]

I have this theory that tai had delusions and problems sleepwalking before she got into the crash. When the team crashed tai was still sleep walking, and a symptom of sleep walking is eating dirt. Being that she is stranded in the wilderness once she consumes that dirt, the darkness is inside her, and this is why they brought it back with them. Now whenever tai sleepwalks, the darkness is released.

[@MareMeyer]

A skull is on the shelf to the left of Van in her shop

[@quantumqueef]

i wonder if there is an underground tunnel system, could the symbols on the trees possibly be markers to navigate the tunnels from above-ground? maybe tai was being led to all the different trees because that's where javi was underground?

[@quantumqueef]

probably not haha but just a thought

[@clipclop3786]

No actually that’s a really good theory

[@JaRonFit]

The symbol is a collage of a couple of things....it's a person hanging from a hook in the shape of a tree and the two slashes represent what they did in season one....how they had pit girl.hanging up then 🔪 🗡 her

[@fourscore2685]

Don’t know if this maybe relevant but wasn’t there a Yellowjacket who was left behind due to broken leg or something in the first episode, could she be involved in the strange happenings?

[@lynneraaflaub445]

I'm going to rewatch season 2 because I am missing way too many things you have mentioned, especially the cards. Why does Walter always wear shorts?😅 I love him, and Misty. The parallels at the hotel/motel was so great, but yeah Walter is definitely hiding something. Everybody is hiding something.😅

[@evatesche]

Walter wears shorts because Misty is attracted to male calves ;-)

[@lynneraaflaub445]

@@evatesche 🤭😂

[@gabrielas7596]

9 episodes is not fair

[@angelapalmer3464]

Thanks for bringing up Alice in Wonderland reference. I was just going to mention the Queen of Hearts!

[@cheri7054]

I think adult Nat said to Adult Lottie that whenever she helps someone something bad also happens at or around the same time. So Lottie faints and Javi returns but is Javi ok. We know that Travis is pissed at young Nat cuz she said Javi was dead. This will cause them to not be on speaking terms as much as before

[@brynniefresh9746]

Lottie got hypothermia lol she didn’t just faint

[@christinerobbins9376]

Nat also "spilled the blood" when she cut her leg and rubbed her blood on Javi's pants and then voila... he's found alive in the next episode. The bloodletting, from all of the girls, is definitely connected to a bigger picture. I'm just not quite seeing it, yet.

[@magdalenamiamor6678]

@@christinerobbins9376 nat spilled blood and the wilderness cooked Jackie

[@christinerobbins9376]

@@magdalenamiamor6678 😂😄🙏 true!

[@wyass4722]

I think that the queen card with her eyes crossed out is supposed to represent Lottie, as she latter seems to understand that it wanted more of her blood, but she couldn't just kill herself. Perhaps the deck not containing any queen cards could be an indication that Lottie was out of question when it came to be a victim. She already indicated that there could only be one queen (the whole yellow jackets thing). Also I don't think Akilah will be one of the next victims, I think the mouse could be an indication of her "power to communicate with animals" as you mentioned in another video. I think maybe will get deeper into it in the next episodes.

[@ghostafterlivesmatter8732]

Hey maybe in the cabin they drew cards and whoever got the queen of hearts had to do something awful or had something awful done to them

[@ghostafterlivesmatter8732]

And today episode 5 they were seen picking cards!!!! YES

[@sweetsu3s]

Ok... There are two theories just to put them out there. 1. I think the surviving girls may have hiked out and left the other group (or surviving antler gueen) behind to die in the winter. I find the "wish you were here," "no return", and other left behind references to be a bit disturbing. It's possible the guilt they feel is not as much about cannibalism, but something even darker. I remember a scene from the movie Platoon (which has similar themes in some ways) and could see a similar scenario playing out here. 2. Shauna has arrested development. We know nothing about her home life other than her parents divorced. Would not be surprised to find out that her trauma started long before the crash.

[@TheAtl198]

There is really nothing darker than cannibalism in almost every culture.

[@sweetsu3s]

@Beckett198 I disagree. Cannibalism is completely understandable in dire circumstances. I really don't find Jackie's body being consumed for survival to be that disturbing. There are many cultures who ate the vital organs of their lived ones after death as a way to keep them with the living. It is fairly mild compared to the idea of hunting down a human being and murdering them for food. THAT type of murder/cannibalism is violently horrific. We have made some major assumptions about this show because they edited it that way. I don't think we are asking the right questions.

[@reginauzzardi8912]

Honestly the Trainspotting movie on the marquee in Van's store is a clear clue that Shauna's baby won't make it. 😢

[@paisan8766]

While You Were Sleeping is also when the bad Tai is doing her stuff - while the good Tai is sleeping/while everyone else is sleeping.

[@emmaconnaughton6747]

Me sad that the internet said there would be 12 episodes... another source saying 8.

[@oogaboogKG]

My theory is that Lisa is wilderness baby but , similarly to the actress who portrays her, is a trans woman which would allow her to be Shauna’s baby if Lottie’s prediction of a boy is correct . so Lottie may have helped Lisa with accepting who she truly is, as a big pillar of Lotties cult is rebirth and letting go of who you previously were. Also her ‘mom’ looks nothing like her.

[@mollylynch918]

I'm wondering what is going to happen with Shauna's baby. Part of me thinks Lottie might try and sacrifice it because she thinks more animals will come their way if they offer blood. But a more horrifying idea popped in my head- what if the baby is still born or doesn't survive the birth... I'm afraid to even think further about that and what they would do in that situation.

[@naelynn9582]

Also with the Queens Lottie mentioned something last episode about the Queens bees..and them killing other queens bees..

[@cathyallen6469]

I think the mines is a go between to place. That is where Javi was.