Yes, Bronze Era Lifts Were Legitimate. (At least some)

[@Melsedey855]

Man love your videos! It's really good that you bring back old school lifts and you actually demonstrate that it is possible to do these exercises safely and build strength and muscle effectively!

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Thank you! That's the goal, effectiveness, not historical reenactment!

[@CrypticWizard9]

I love Bromley and all but he really needs to work on having historical inaccuracies in literally every historic video he makes

[@grottphd9090]

He's just not very high IQ tbh

[@AlexanderBromley]

Give me the quote that was inaccurate and I'll retract it

[@BuJammy]

He didn't say anything that was incorrect.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@AlexanderBromley Is this psychosis? Off the meds?

[@StopTheDamnTape]

Great video man, I really love your channel, the unique exercises and definitely relate to the mindset of looking to guys from eras where steroid use was impossible as a great source of inspiration / standards.

[@david-pb4bi]

71 still compete in powerlifting competitions, I remember back in the day lifting for BAWLA now IPF you could use a single ply bench shirt in any competition and it was just classed as raw lifting only recently they divided the lifts from equipped and unequipped.

[@BuJammy]

Yeah, and if you didn't squat in a supersuit people would whisper ("he's not got a..."). I remember, lol.

[@markhedden4842]

Slightly late, but I just want to confirm that 19th century mechanical scales were perfectly capable of the level of accuracy needed for weighing big ol' barbells. Or even small ol' ones. Remember that the gram was defined using 18th century technology!

[@withindarkness]

All of my non-calibrated plates are heavier than the nominal weight. One of my "45" pounders is actually 47.6lb. People claiming poor calibration never consider that it likely means some of the official lifts were heavier, not lighter.

[@panagiothsstaurou7569]

Btw I know a guy in Instagram that lifts 100kg bent press and his a behemoth but 180 in a barbell no the center of mass +opposite forces they will destroy in that weight in that position permanent

[@6393dude]

Unrelated, but what kind of barbell do you use? Would a stiff power bar with center knurling be ideal for old school lifts, or would something closer to an Oly bar be better?

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I mostly use a rogue deadlift bar that I happened to have.

[@alexwilliams5587]

Technically, an oly bar should have a center knurl, but i think you should probably just get a decently stiff bar, normal knurl, mostly normal everything, just stiffer

[@6393dude]

@@alexwilliams5587 This is where I was leaning too. Just wasn't sure if a whippier bar would be of any advantage.

[@alexwilliams5587]

@@6393dude i think a whippier bar would be dumb honestly. I don't get the modem appeal of them

[@StopTheDamnTape]

@@alexwilliams5587more weight moved without having to build any additional strength imo

[@AlexanderBromley]

I'm trying to figure out what I said that was historically inaccurate. my exact quote: 'If you go back to a time before feds existed…', are you suggesting feds always existed? At what date did they start? Can you name any of them? Do you have any papers, or even second hand mention of them? Not a single name pops up in either of the books you cited here. What exactly the rules were or how much influence they had? the thumbnail is an aggressive motte and bailey. I called out saxons 370 and 400 claim, both of which Thomas Inch directly said, "yeah, no." but your thumb says "yes he pressed over 300"..... not what was being argued. What EXACTLY constitutes an official lift and do you have sources for that? You're arguing as if I said 'Feds didn't exist in the bronze era"....I literally cited Charles Rigoulot who did his lifts under the IWF which was started in 1920…. smack in the middle of the bronze era. The IWF is a legit fed; it had an actual identifiable body with rules and procedures that encompassed all athletes in the sport. That 1 billion percent didn't exist beforehand. You can point to the primordial attempts at compiling rules and the 2 dozen people in one geographical area that enforced them to their tastes…. but that isn't of use when talking about standards and rigor across an entire discipline. "amateur athletics was bigger than it is today"... that's certainly a statement. "Lifts were standardized". Lifters had their own bars made, could choose between plates and bells, and often brought their own weights and that was through the early 1900s. Even Saxon's apologists talk about 'poorly balanced bars' costing him a lift. It's not just about it weighing what it weights…. it's about uniformity in equipment and execution so saying "so and so bent pressed X" means one thing and one thing only. The Super Strength bit about the "english style" of deadlifting is evidence of a culture of lifting, not of a governing body. I read through that entire book; regular use of the words "official' and "unofficial', but no definition of what makes something official and absolutely no citation of rules from a federation (or the name of a federation). "We already had one world war, I think we can weigh some things accurately".... I was broadly talking about all lifting going back before the mid 1900s and specifically mentioned the 1800s. At this point I'm wondering who you're arguing against….. "Saxon had a great reputation" According to who? The second hand sources that said so? There were many people who doubted his lifts. He was a circus performer first. Thomas Inch diregarded his 370 as not up to snuff (though the entire world uncritically accepts it today) and mentioned a supposed claim at 400 that was obviously bullshit. So if anyone can pinpoint the exact historically inaccurate statement I made, i'll make a full video retracting it.

[@BuJammy]

BAWLA, in the UK, was established in 1910, and the French association in 1914. They generally witnessed and authenticated lifts, both in and out of competition (you can see BAWLAs standards in WA Pullum's book). That is a little earlier than 1920, but I think all your points still stand, regardless, and I would only use BAWLA as an "authority" starting in the Pullum era. (There are earlier examples of local organisations in the 1890s, but most European countries only creating unified clubs, with unified rules and distinctions between amateurs and professionals in the first decade of the 20th century. I don't think that's particularly relevant to the discussion here, however.)

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

"It was obviously bullshit" based on what? The idea that modern lifters are stronger than people in the past is the bullshit modernist assumption 😅

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

"Circus strongman" doesn't delegitimize him. Once again modern humans desperately want to feel like we're better than our ancestors

[@williamtorello3494]

@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 At the same time there are people who want to believe that our ancestors somehow were superior in every way possible than people of today

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

@williamtorello3494 yeah I'm not claiming that.

[@legral]

Thank you for correcting ther record.

[@afterzanzibar]

Bromley has become a shill for profit and his channel has unfortunately followed suit. He says a lot of dumb things.

[@weakest_serb]

I haven't really seen him become a shill, can you point to some examples? I have noticed him saying some things that are off recently, notably his ranking of pullups.

[@redmetalpanda9051]

​@@weakest_serbif you follow socials, bromley is getting called out a lot

[@afnanbogey]

@@weakest_serbyeah I think he’s just firing from the hip a bit more and is less concerned with every statement being so factually/scholarly true, so long as his point gets across. Just means there’s more to nitpick or make commentary on, on top of the points he’s actually trying to make.

[@AlexanderBromley]

​@afnanbogey can you give an example of a factually incorrect statement? I certainly don't want to continue repeating things that aren't ture.

[@afnanbogey]

@@AlexanderBromley the example would be the one in this video. For the record, I was agreeing you’re not a shill and opining on why it might come across like that to some. I’m personally interested in understanding the broad strokes big picture that all you guys paint and couldnt give a fig about nitty gritty errors.

[@panagiothsstaurou7569]

Man 400pounds bent press it's about 180 something kg right? Ok iron Biby has the log clean and press in 231kg and Mitchell Hooper in axel in I think220kg I don't remember correct, com on now one arm 180kg wtf for real and bending in there dreams period

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

Nope. Wrong again 😅

[@blue_samurai_zero]

Bent pressed?

[@jonnyoneplate]

Type "bent press" in the search box at the top of the app and click on "search". Watch videos demonstrating it. Youre welcome

[@BuJammy]

@@jonnyoneplate First he needs to insert the google floppy disks.

[@BenjaminL04]

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[@moonmerchant7148]

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