Yes, we know what Old Norse sounded like.

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Old Norse is an incredibly well documented language, and its phonology is very well understood - the sources are so many that the list gets quite long.

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@kawaiinoodels 2 ай бұрын

Säg till dem😎

@celtofcanaanesurix2245 2 ай бұрын

In conclusion, Classical Latin and Old Norse are the two languages you are most likely to hear exactly as spoken in the past

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud 2 ай бұрын

@@celtofcanaanesurix2245 Old Norse is much more recent and closer to its daughter languages also. For example there are no living Romance language that keeps the Latin vowel length system or case system whereas we have that in north germanic with for example Finland Swedish dialects with the same vowel length as ON.

@Byzanline Ай бұрын

@@tidsdjupet-mr5ud Your claim regarding there being no living Romance language that kept the case system from Latin is not entirely true; it was actually kept in many eastern Romance languages (Romanian being a notable example), although significantly simplified.

@weonanegesiscipelibba2973 Ай бұрын

@@tidsdjupet-mr5udHuh, I thought Finnish Swedish was just Swedish without the pitch accent Turns out there was more than that (also, I'm neither a Swede nor a Finn, saying this just in case)

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud Ай бұрын

@@Byzanline Old French also.

@Tom_Quixote Ай бұрын

Maybe a better title would be "we have a pretty good idea about how it sounded like", since it's all based on reconstruction. And I guess that back then, you'd also have many regional dialects, even though people in what became modern day Denmark, Norway, and Sweden spoke the same language. People of various social classes might also have spoken differently - the poetry we know of might be in the upper class sociolect.

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud Ай бұрын

@@Tom_Quixote the dialectal diversity is often understated IMO.

@Shmynkellbonkenstein 2 ай бұрын

This is a good ”pwned” video 😂

@StillAliveAndKicking_ 2 ай бұрын

What does that mean?

@aquenwisey 2 ай бұрын

Amazing video (in it is just one minute long. The video has to be exceedingly good in order to be amazing with only one minute). I have a question. How much does proto Norse attestation contributes to the reconstruction of proto Germanic? I thought Gothic was the most important one but when I found out there are attestations of proto Norse that precede the writing of the gothic Bible I put into question this idea of mine to start thinking maybe proto Norse (with its insignature of changing “az” endings to “ar” such as in the case of “ainaz into *ᚨᛁᚾᚨᛉ (*ainaʀ) whereas gothic replaces “az” with “s” such as in ainaz into ains. Also when did the rothacism in proto Norse take place? In a video of yours where you talk about pre Germanic you mentioned a runic inscription no later than 450 AD (when gothic was attested) no later than A.D. 450) which reads: idringaz | ekwakraz: unnamz | wraita 'Idringaz. I, Wakraz the Untakeable, or no later than A.D. 450) reads: idringaz | ekwakraz: unnamz | wraita 'Idrin-gaz. I, Wakraz the Untakeable, wrote (this). It amazes me that the “AZ” ending is preserved and attested in as late as 450. Did rhotacjism occur later?

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud 2 ай бұрын

The exact realization was probably not a pure z but more like an approximant in Proto Norse. And the complete merger with r was not completed until around 1000-1100.

@marjae2767 Ай бұрын

There isn't as much evidence for Gothic phonology. There is a lot of uncertainty about the pronunciation of vowels such as /𐌰𐌹/, /𐌰𐌿/, or /𐌹𐍅/, and consonant clusters such as /𐌲𐌲𐍅/, or /𐌳𐌳𐌾/.

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud Ай бұрын

@marjae2767 gothic died out also, leaving no modern languages with any reflexes.

@tommarnt 10 күн бұрын

0:00 - 1:04 What's the song?

@cunjoz 2 ай бұрын

skenen

@rursus8354 2 ай бұрын

Jamen, hur lät det då? Sätt igång och tala fornnordiska!

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud 2 ай бұрын

@@rursus8354 Det är ju det jag ägnar hela den här kanalen åt.

@PohjanKarhu 19 күн бұрын

@@rursus8354 Finns många kanaler på KZbin där de talar fornnordiska. Jackson Crawford är ett praktexempel.

@katepalmer747 2 ай бұрын

Is that Ög 20 in the background? It looks like it's been cleaned 😊

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud 2 ай бұрын

Yes

@dragonapop 2 ай бұрын

Technically we also don't know 100% for sure what Latin sounded like, because microphones didn't exist.

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud 2 ай бұрын

@@dragonapop We dont need microphones.

@dragonapop 2 ай бұрын

@tidsdjupet-mr5ud I'm making a joke

@carlinberg 2 ай бұрын

@@dragonapop Quid est hoc?? Mmm...icrophonus? Estne graecus?

@rursus8354 2 ай бұрын

Wrong there too. Quintillianus wrote a chapter on it in Institutio Oratoria. He even wrote that intermediate vowels weren't pronounced as written.

@tfan2222 Ай бұрын

@@rursus8354Please read the full comment thread before commenting.

@SuperEddyn 2 ай бұрын

How about intonation? It is not a topic that you see discussed much online. If I'm not mistaken, I noticed that in your attempts to read the different dialects of Old Norse, that you seem to have a deliberate intonation. What do you base that on?

@jasminekaram880 2 ай бұрын

He has talked about Old Norse pitch accent in previous videos.