Yet ANOTHER SU-25, But it Gets 40KM Missiles.. - SU-25SM3 - War Thunder

Yep, thats not even a clickbait title either. Russia received yet ANOTHER SU-25, but this time it gets the additon of not only Laser guided 40km capable missiles, but also IR guided, meaning.. Fire & Forget!
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04:48 - The CAS Sniping Begins!
19:03 - Final Cas Opinions
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[@monkeyism06]

Gaijin: "We balance all our vehicles historically and statistically." Also Gaijin: "Added 4+ overpowered russian vehicles (Balanced after 3-5 weeks)."

[@sydney4814]

"balanced" also being very subjective as they get missiles that comfortably defeat the best ANY OTHER NATION GET, by *every conceivable metric*. a 4x bigger warhead than the biggest NATO gets, 2-5x faster, 50x longer range (as it burns all the way into target vs the 65Cs that require to be launched near mach to have a range longer than 8km) and ALSO gets to carry mixed loadout of guided missles)

[@PeterJ1851]

Comrade all is proven and realistic. Don´t complain or you go to gulag. 😉

[@HammerJammer81]

If this game had any realism to it, every He shell that goes within 5 yards of any Russian tank would cause an immediate Cook off of all ammunition causing the turret to hit 50 ft.

[@Jason-jb1vs]

@@HammerJammer81 bro is on too much copium

[@innelator6941]

@@HammerJammer81then Abrams tanks should be out of fuel fast and early versions should break on desert maps

[@equibub6548]

This has happened so many times in War Thunder’s history that I already know how it’s going to go. Gaijin adds a super op vehicle that has no counter, but then in a subsequent update they finally add that counter, but to a less “popular” nation that players have to grind through to get to. This then greatly incentivises purchasing premium vehicles to grind for it. For them, it’s not about balance, it’s a sales strategy. They make the most money from imbalance. Everyone wants to bully with the op vehicle, so they buy it / pay to reach it, and then everyone wants the counter, but they make that as hard to access as they can. So right now they’re also setting the stage for more sales later in the year.

[@Kasper_J]

Very cool that Su25SM3 has like gen 3 thermals while gaijin degraded F-16 targeting pod so you can’t see Pantsir to kill it with a maverick 14 km away wich usually doesnt even matter because either Pantsir shoots them or they don't have enough energy (and for some reason Pantsir doesn't like to get overpreassured with heat mavericks)

[@kiranplays2688]

this!!!

[@Patton33]

Nothing gets overpressured because so many people complained about it from mavericks, which has just made them useless

[@sydney4814]

Best thing about that downgrade is that they justified it by saying the Litening II doesn't get them... while of course giving the Gripen/Harrier II/Tornado gen 3 thermal Litening IIs even though the F-16C has the second-newest version of that pod in the game)

[@arrcadedus2293]

Gaijin logic, if its too good agaisnt Russian Vechile must nerf for "balacing" reason but if it favours the Russian then its fine

[@Jason-jb1vs]

It’s not only pantsir, heat atgm simply doesn’t kill anything, vikhr will just do hit on flakrad, if you want guarantied kill you need Mav G(HE variant) or the KH25/29/38 that has HE warhead which all of them have only 1 per slot

[@crazedfeel5775]

I've noticed, not only this thing can tv lock at 14+km, but it's also in track mode! A pgm will lock past 18km, but its lock mode is stuck in point, until below 6km depending of target size. It's incredibly op compared to NATO stuff

[@adyenmurry7027]

Yet no A10c

[@ballisticblue2v552]

I've always said this lol that's why I don't really play anymore notice how Russia has they're most modern stuff but every other major country is stuck in the early 2000s

[@dsg4500]

And no su24 fencer, really thought the a10c would've come with this su25 or the su24 fencer with f111

[@dsg4500]

​@ballisticblue2v552 ...because Russia doesn't have good enough equivalents from longer time ago. Like the f15 had no competitive until su27 came in the 90s

[@rlj.]

😕Maybe one day guys, maybe one day...

[@Democracy_Officer2]

@@ballisticblue2v552 Britian having a PREMIUM thats more modern than america top tier

[@AxlePlaysGames]

Americans being disappointed at the lack of A-10 Me as a Brit waiting on Harrier Gr.9 and more modern Tornadoes, plus half the light tanks we’ve ever produced

[@-pr0vat70]

*cries in German tech tree*

[@prancer8934]

Dont worry those will all come as premiums in 3 years

[@blaken3824]

@@prancer8934 followed by immediate nerfs

[@TangiersIntrigue]

Oh, but you get the Fox /s

[@NineSeptims]

@@prancer8934 Don't bro not even as a joke. You are gonna make me cry

[@rookiedriver6672]

this is just sad how gaijin thinks that this is balanced

[@TigerJaeger131]

At some point, you have to start wondering, why play any nation other than Russia. It's been over a year since the Pantsir got added. Not one other SPAA has been added to even try and match it. They have also nerfed every single SPAA. They have nerfed laser/TV-guided bombs, can't release past Mach 1. The first and only CAS to match or even outrange the Pantsir is also Russian.

[@dinipuh9889]

And which SPAA should I add? Other countries have not developed mobile air defenses so much.

[@TigerJaeger131]

@@dinipuh9889 They might not be real SPAA, but NASAMS and IRIS-T would be a good place to start looking. If needed they should just add some of the launch vehicles and give them an invisible radar. For realism they can just say that the radars are outside the map.

[@SirHuddy]

@@dinipuh9889give me a CWIS on a trailer pulled by a truck idc…

[@interpl6089]

West has literally no counterparts to the Pantsir...most of them need separate radar to even work. Cope.

[@DatFatThor]

Because Russian tanks aren't that great. Shitty mobility and reload is a death sentence at top tier. The Rook is fat and slow and doesn't make top tier Russian CAS the best in the game, that still goes to US or France since their CAS platforms are just better flight model wise and their helicopters are better imho

[@toast8855]

Yet no a10c AND Italy has had our av8b+ for prolly a year at this point

[@A-Warthog-cc1wm]

It really sad, it wouldn’t even take that much effort from gaijin to add it in, but they don’t

[@Nope_617]

I think it's good that we didn't get an A-10C this update because the SU-25SM3 would have overshadowed it, but I do hope we get it the next update or the AV-8B+ for USA

[@Shxlbyyy]

I love that this can outrange every spaa it fights :) totally fair, so much fun to play against, especially when the only spaa that can reliably get it at range, is on the same team.

[@MozzaBurger88]

I'm totally baffled they didn't make it a premium plane. This totally fits the profile of their sales tactics 😅

[@Shxlbyyy]

@MozzaBurger88 They're gonna have a prototype version that isn't even in service but significantly stronger for the premium version

[@MozzaBurger88]

@@Shxlbyyy *God please no* meme

[@Shxlbyyy]

@@MozzaBurger88 I should delete this comment before a dev sees it

[@AB-hd2li]

They might as well add the AGM 158 JASSM if they add stuff from 2015 for Russia :) Same with the pantsir vs FlakRakRad, tech from the 70s vs tech from the 2010s. Maybe there is a pattern there…

[@jimmiarreltherford8464]

I have the Su-39. In Ground RB, I got hit by 2 avation missiles from an F-15 (i think got hit from his Vulcan as well). Had severe damage, no elevator control and the vertical stab was busted BUT the plane was still technically flying. It took a third avation missile to kill me. Ridiculous, how survivalable that plane is compared to the A-10s.

[@Patton33]

*Elevator gets hit by a stray 7.62 round, wants to give the ground a hug (A-10 for those that might not be able to tell)

[@_Wormman_]

Love it, I go play ground realistik battles and then get shit on by plane that is no fliping where seen

[@Democracy_Officer2]

"if its not a british one it wont have maw" and the american MAW only works within .2 feet of your aircraft when it comes to things like that

[@redstoneking4677]

I shall accept this as a replacement of the su25k video promised in the dev server video of jt

[@SuperMrDeathlord]

So 40km missiles, while everyone else gets like 11km spaa.... Im so done with Gaijins bullshit

[@Rocky-bq1dq]

hey, im not sure if its just a thing where you like to line up your aircraft before launch, but im pretty sure they did some sort of update where you dont need to leave the camera view before launching more ordnance.

[@PvtPartzz]

What a great demonstration of why top tier ground battles aren’t fun. As soon as one team has the upper hand it just becomes a spawn killing slaughter. I feel so dumb for having bought high tier premiums for such a shit game modes. Even when you’re winning you just feel gross.

[@PanzerSteinn]

CAS realistic battle😂

[@dti1312]

Exactly why realism sucks. In real life CAS absolutely shits on tanks (Desert Storm) but it's not very fun to just get bombed into submission by 10 F-16s/Su-25s/Gripens every game

[@PanzerSteinn]

@@dti1312 I agree bro😬 Try to convince the community 🗿😆

[@RandomBoi-nd5zf]

bRo jUsT sPaWn aN sPaA 🤦🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️💅🤷💁🤓

[@splabooshkey3343]

It's so cool watching the animation of the missile drop down off the rail and then launch

[@Trump24GreatWhiteHope]

Conquest on Holland at the A point (the mall) is my absolute favorite map rite now. Just been having so much fun on it

[@SalmonMcConell]

Gaijin should definitely add the Tornado GR4 with it's 4 storm shadow load...

[@DaSteeJ07]

People who say Russian bias isn’t in the game, either use them as a crutch or haven’t played US top tier as well

[@camerongebler2473]

I’m glad we still have the tank mini game before the CAS RB battle

[@Vereese17]

Just spawn SPAA, they said...

[@riandyhuey5114]

dude try using the kh38 laser variant and snipe from 20km away. it is just like hellfire with more speed, explosives and u can guide all the missiles at once

[@JustinPlaysTV]

Not a fan of flying in a straight line for a prolonged period of time, hence my reliance on the MTs!

[@konst915]

​@@JustinPlaysTVdont they have the laser+IOG thing that prevents losing lock even when not designating anymore ?

[@STRYKER1467]

@JustinPlays i doubt they add any more Su-25 the SM3 is the last one, maybe they add the Yak-131 somewhere below.

[@sethschneider9764]

I know you just played france, but can you take out the m2k 5f with the pgm gbus? I know its not as good as the laser munitions, but its a nice change.

[@jameshoch8519]

Ive played the game for a really long time and this gives me the same vibes as when the ka50 was first introduced and how it broke top tier because it was wildly unbalanced. Back then it had the longest range missiles of any heli and there wasnt a single spaa that could reach out that far to kill them. The only vehicle that could was the 2s6 which was on the same team making russia massively over powered for tge time since its cas couldnt be touched from spaas which were mostly cannon based at those times and its spaa could shoot down almost all cas from other teams making other teams seriously handycapped in what you could do. I was all for mixed teams back then becauseof how unfair things had gotten and im still all for it today. I dont care for having nations pitted against eachother like us vs german and shuffle smaller batches of other nations in there on either team. Pure mix means a mix of all capabilities from any faction present on any team and that is fair and balanced. This aircraft has the farthest standoff of any munition of that class and is paired with an spaa that can easily shoot down most aircraft and extreme ranges with a pretty manuverable missile. Same situation just platforms changed. This is the kind of stuff that causes people to say there is a general bias towards russian getting the best of their tech and other nations getting the worst versions of theirs.

[@sydney4814]

I think my biggest gripe is also that Gaijin ONLY gives Russia the top SPAA with missiles that can counter it.... they add weapons to Russia as if Russia is the nation that has to counter Pantsirs...

[@sethbowlin3554]

We need telephone sized Sam missiles to counter that su25

[@Zosterias]

4:15 There's 3 jets with MAWs, the Ardvark, Harrier Gr 7 and the Su-25SM3

[@JustinPlaysTV]

The ardvark got MAW? I wasn't made aware of that, how awesome!

[@sirhayden5516]

@@JustinPlaysTV only to the rear

[@jonathanallen3688]

​@@JustinPlaysTVyour closing statements overlook a few facts tbh. CAS just isn't difficult. You don't need to be overly skilled to dodge AA at most BRs and estimating distance isn't hard for bombs and such. I'm by no means a skilled pilot and can do just fine and get multiple sorties out of a strike craft all I did was watch a five minute tutorial by oddbawz. CAS just benefits too much from arcade mechanics like the additional Gs, third person so they always see where ground fire is coming from and overall poor DM across the board. Put a full bore AP shell thru the engine cone of prop oops you damaged a flap. You can't hide from it you can't dodge a decent CAS player. And that's not even getting into the AA issues. SAMs don't get additional G tolerance that airframes do which allows those jets to maneuver way too easy to dodge missiles. AA have to worry bout ground fire, helis and jets. Some AA cannot defend themselves from ground units meaning they're stuck in spawn in easy to predict locations for CAS and so on and so forth.

[@ammunitions6452]

i think the reason we dont have spaa with really long range for say nato is because the maps arent big enough and the spawns are too close to the battlefield, if they made maps for higher br’s with longer ranges and further away spawns then the longer range spaa’s would be more affective

[@albedo826]

there are currently 3 fixed wing aircraft in game with MAW - Aardvark, Su-25SM3 and Harrier Gr.7 love the vid btw :D

[@Paul91415]

One plane that comes to mind for me is the french Mirage 2000C, should have MAW too and you can even see it at the rear on the plane. But it's not implemented... Just like the laser warning on the Leclercs and AMX-40....

[@ThePsychotic91]

Vehicle with patriot and cwis would be nice.

[@narahiko4847]

I have lots of matches playing JP and everytime i think we could win the match, we just get dismantled by 2 or even 1 Su25sm3 and i can’t counter it from the ground and we just lose the match entirely to their cas and it legit doesn’t have to hit you directly, landing near your tank is enough to kill your mbt, that so my experience

[@JeyKalda]

Had this happen two days ago playing Sweden, 1-3 SU25sm3 always flying beyond 11km. Had multiple games where we win the ground battle but then proceed to get absolutely dismantled by su25sm3 and helicopters.

[@themilkman8554]

@@JeyKalda Cry more. Sweden at 11.7 is busted.

[@M0_961]

Never knew I’d see Vsauce play War Thunder.

[@Skadooshon]

Muscle memory of having to slave the atgms yourself, after update you can ripple mavericks very quickly now

[@Nope_617]

4:18 yessir there is more than 2 and its the GR.7 that also got MAW

[@thesoulreader2578]

“This will make a pretty damn good CAS experience” umm 40km doesn’t sound very CAS to me but alright 😂

[@Batlafication]

Hey man, thank you for reminding me why i dont play this game anymore

[@ryanqualtrough66]

take it GE for WT isn't apple supported?

[@evgen-ho6me]

how do you lock missile and then switch to the next target?

[@SpaceExplorer123]

The problem with NATO is that they don’t have an equivalent to the pantsir. They started using missile battery’s like the patriot system. The only thing I could think of is to add something like that as like a two part vehicle. The radar truck towing the missiles. It would look goofy but the patriots have a much longer range than even the pantsir I think (Not too sure on the exact range). But NATO would mainly use aircraft to combat CAS. So without adding some something like I said earlier they could make aircraft with only air to air missiles cheaper. This would ofc bring other issue on its own but it’s either that or they nerf the Russian stuff which would defeat the whole purpose of new tech being added

[@steffent.6477]

Is it flying like a brick when fully loaded like the Su-25BM?

[@arrcadedus2293]

Gaijin will never let Nato Vechiles be better or even close to Russian Vechiles, it would hurt there false pride to have Balance in the game when russia can't be OP in it

[@Sniperwolf638]

Shoots missile gets close and does a wiggle. Justin goes to evade a missile and does a jiggle that shit made me laugh 😂😂

[@Trump24GreatWhiteHope]

The only people saying cas isn't broken are the guys who non stop play cas. They rush n get a few scouts n base cap or 2 and bam fully loaded death machine raining down Holy hell

[@lobsteri440]

The only spaa that can stand a chance against this thing range wise is the pantsir and guess what its also in the russian tech tree :DDD

[@ciastekkun1423]

4:35 there is f 111 aardvark With MAWS

[@AxlePlaysGames]

6:24 Can’t wait for Eurofighter Typhoon and the Tornado Gr.4 with Brimstone missiles, also AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles are going to be a whole new kettle of fish, especially if Gaijin model SPAA having to take time to turn Radars on and maybe make it harder to shoot down planes without using radar

[@zay8113]

AGM-88 HARMs or the older AGM-45 Shrike either one ill take plz

[@AxlePlaysGames]

@@zay8113 The only thing is most SPAA players have the radar off anyway and mouse guide the missile, so Gaijin need to nerf the manual mode or just get rid of it, so the missile flies in a straight line and explodes or doesn’t launch without radar lock

[@ares7522]

At least this gives me hope that the Rafale will get its AASMs

[@kekrenztv7238]

For Most Air to ground missels ist called rifel when you shoot them

[@snepping1885]

can we get 80km + AA systems?

[@GodAres-]

America suffers. Nerf the ADATS then release this shit. No way in hell U will kill that with an ADATS whose missile wobbles pass 5km.

[@Carsten-yu6fe]

So basically we need something like IRIS-T either tracked or on wheels, wait Tracked rapier existed what was the range on that

[@TigerJaeger131]

I agree and would love to see SPAA with IRIS-T. The range is once again a problem, they go from 12km(SLS) to 40km(SLM). I personally want SLM getting added, but I doubt Gaijin ever will unless Russia has a 40km or higher SPAA.

[@Carsten-yu6fe]

@@TigerJaeger131 we could even have the crotale 11km-16km

[@bleach714able]

They not only not give us more a10s. They also really nerfed the crap out of the gun. The brrrrrrt!!!! Come on lol

[@jonathans.955]

I was like: ok looks a bit better than the Su-39. Then I saw it has thermal. Mother almighty I need it

[@arturburner7029]

I mostly play air rb, but im not surprised that russia has the coolest weapons in ground as well.

[@nzkwa]

SU-25 is the golden child of Gaijin. Things you love to see.

[@sammie.r5347]

But the f16c cant get more than 2 agm 65 g s because "balance"

[@vaclavkolar6750]

Yet the hungarian gripen gets 6 of those. I don't understand...

[@Nighthawk2401]

Couldn't carry them that way irl. Too big/heavy for triple racks and no wiring for other pylons

[@theliteralworst9416]

The Agm-65gs are too heavy for the triple racks my guy

[@spottedrave4415]

Use the Harrier GR.7 it got a new buff and it’s not the AGM-65G

[@DaSteeJ07]

I’d appreciate a death compilation in this thing more than a killstreak, F this plane 😂

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

We need more fighter mains XD

[@f1max214]

Do you hav an setting video because i would love to see them because i just started war thunder on pc and i want some good settings

[@Faded._]

Ryanberry has a good vid on such just search up Ryanberry WT graphics

[@f1max214]

@@Faded._ thank you

[@Faded._]

@@f1max214 Roger that!

[@ScruffyNZ.]

3 kills in succession in a tank "hell yeah!" In this thing "no 4th kill? ...awww" disgusting balance for what's meant to be a ground mode

[@endelgame6291]

this things is so much op...

[@EuropaTelesBTR]

The Su-25 Frogfoot is the BEST CAS in WT

[@ashman8891]

gaijin giving us more reasons to avoid top tier

[@jarodhughes8978]

Im not getting any audio from this video on 3 separate devices??????? anyone have this problem b4?

[@interpl6089]

I haven't had a problem with the SU-25SM3...most maps are cities so the missile range is irrelevant anyway...

[@omeregecukuryurt6022]

re visit the begleit maybe?

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

This is why I regularly TK people who bring Su-25 variants and Ka-50/52 You get 2 TKs a game. Why not use them

[@dadistos4538]

incredibly based

[@DigitalShaolin]

What else would I expect from a guy named Rhodesian superiority lmfao, ChatGPT 100% has more cognitive capacity than you

[@bickboose9364]

Fighting the good fight behind enemy lines. Nice! 👍 Thing is, these things aren't just ruining the enemy teams' day, but they're also taking away possible kills you could have. They just suck the fun out of the game for everyone.

[@meesamkhan4767]

unfathomably based

[@Lynx_cinematics.mp4]

2 vids in 1 das? Yeeeees.

[@sethbowlin3554]

Not a balanced aircraft when nothing can kill it

[@thebloodnight9968]

Can you play the Alphajet A

[@samionus1149]

10:05 does that really say f18 on the rwr or am i just stoopid

[@JustinPlaysTV]

Harrier has F18 radar (to my knowledge)

[@samionus1149]

@@JustinPlaysTV ahh alr thanks i thought i missed a update xD

[@questionmark.1266]

Country that has best AGM also has best AA wtf?

[@Saturn_wt]

Dont ya just love sniping tanks and planes from beyond sight

[@M0LOCK]

We can have that shit but no AGM88s....

[@RandomBoi-nd5zf]

Wow so balanced and takes so much skill, easily counterable by spaa 😎🤙

[@MozzaBurger88]

"CAS is not an issue" *insert "this is fine" meme here* What a (good) show of pure cancer here.

[@JustinPlaysTV]

(Watch the conclusion)

[@MozzaBurger88]

@@JustinPlaysTV I wasn't implying that you thought it was fine ;). I only bounced back on you saying (ironically, I fully got that) that "not an issue" thing. And the "good" part was for you. Cancer or not, you play it really well even for aviation (not being your strong suit ;) ) But it definitely shows how disgusting it is. Boop, boop, boop... 3 kills just by locking a bunch of pixels on screen 10+ km away and pressing a button and these guys have zero counter by themselves and entirely depend on SPAA which have very little tools at such ranges and/or having decent CAP in their team (that can react quick enough to someone spawning across the map with 12km+ ordinance ??) At least any tank, as OP as it may be, if it has a visual, I could have a visual and it's often a matter of who reacts quicker, who's better positioned, who's got the better reflexes. There are some broken imbalances but there's almost always a counter.

[@andrazgojkovic999]

too op put it at 10.0

[@sudheerreddy2413]

GOOD CAS NICe

[@wrldaholic3400]

6 seconds is crazy

[@wisealexx8402]

Yet another example of devs catering to a specific nation. 40km, fast and outranges all spaa? Shame.

[@Frost_x_NB]

But Gaijin will say Hellfire L missiles would to be to broken 😂 There’s so many things about this new SU that says a lot. Russia is always getting the most advanced stuff in the range. Everything and they will say other stuff would be unbalanced. Like no one asked for this but for years people were asking about adding the f15. Still won’t add M829A3 for Abrams fix other bats vehicles. Like this is insane. Should not of been added. We need bigger maps but still has the entire game mainly stuck on low tier small ass maps. Over this shit already.

[@416ix]

Hell fire is op. I never get killed by Russian planes.

[@woodybear3823]

@@416ix Stop the cap

[@Sleeperlol]

How are your games so slow? my games end in 5 minutes, and half the game is getting spawn camped??

[@Paul91415]

"CAS is not OP" comes from players who are bad at CAS and get shot down often

[@HotRod-gv4zt]

Yeah well, it's a Russian company and probably pissed off that Russia's military sucks in real life 😅

[@williambriand5527]

Does ge for wt really work? it just sounds like some shitty scam

[@kaiser2571]

Can you plis do a10 cas video plissssssss

[@Ryan-go6id]

Most Modern Su-25 BTW Only arms race Russia can win is in War Thunder

[@okeifscott787]

Is it from the USSR

[@steffent.6477]

Another reason to not play GRB^^

[@rlj.]

Justin, I also have an idea, there are currently a huge amount of Russian Premium vehicles in 10.0 Maybe a video about this would be cool? You have the: T72 Turms T80UD 2S38 SU25K KA50 And if you want to have more planes, you would still have the Mig21S and the Yak38 It's almost literally an entire tree of Premiums lol

[@mmneaapro596]

ka-50 is 11.0 btw

[@rlj.]

​@@mmneaapro596 oh really, I hadn't seen it before, thanks for letting me know

[@gigafuzz0732]

Holy yap

[@LongPham-xk4jr]

cry in adats

[@bencarmine3032]

Just nerf the shit out of this thing or just remove it out of ground rb.............

[@rlj.]

Justin, why you use the mig23mld? Is not better use the su-27?

[@JustinPlaysTV]

Intentionally keeping an 11.7 lineup so that I can get those juicy downtiers to 10.7 xP