The Voron Clone Wars: Sovol SV08 v.s. Troodon 2.0

[@chemicalwaffle9220]

Because I found your video about the troodon 2.0 pro last week I cancelled my sv08 and ordered the troodon. It will be arriving on Tuesday and I am very excited.

[@3dpathfinder]

I will stay with the SV08, I cant wait to get the shipping notice.

[@phasesecuritytechnology6573]

Yep just got mine 2-3 weeks ago

[@funwithrpis3281]

@@3dpathfinder ya same. someone has already made a make shift tap mod and modded the hot end (in a jank way but still did it) to use the revo hotend. This before most of us even got our orders. Give it time and there will be better solutions to what we want.

[@paulhuckaby]

I have a troodon pro and regret buying it. The extrusions are not square, the Z and xy belt tensioners are trash, the hotend that it comes with is garbage (mine had heat creep then got pushed off center and melted into the steathburner carriage., and now after hours of various calibrations it will not print a acceptable first layer. And the proprietary tool head pcb is very limiting.

[@stew675]

Thank you for the video. The Sovol SV08 does come with a touch screen upgrade, and an enclosure. Once those are added on the two machines are much closer in both spec and price, but still with a fairly sizeable gap in favor of the Sovol. While the Sovol is still able to be modded, the Troodon 2.0 still seems to be closer to what a tinkerer would want as a base to play with. I honestly think it's a tough call between those two.

[@oleurgast730]

I realy like the SV08 is available without touch screen. Have some old (2017) Amazon fire 7 tablets flying around - the work fine for klipper screen ;-). I like to recycle old stuff instead of buying new. For an enclosure: Yes, its nice to have the original one. Still, after the pandemic there is a lot of acrillic panels not used anymore. If you have access to theese and save them from trash, it is a nice alternative.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I'm leaning toward an SV08, but I'll ditch the reverse Bowden tube because I print a lot of TPU. I'll mount a bearing spindle filament reel holder on top (or a low friction heated filament drier), with an enclosure with a peaked roof to allow full Z print height, preferably with magnetically attached sides that can pop off easily for printing PLA. Much as I like open source software and hardware, I'm OK with the proprietary SV08 hot end because it has good enough flow rate, as long as replacement hot ends remain readily available and inexpensive. I'd be very interested in a cast aluminum bed upgrade as long as it didn't warp when heated. It's difficult to make a 350 mm square bed that is flat and doesn't warp.

[@xeraoh]

all the 3d files are available for the SV08, which will have a lots of upgrades (I just saw a revo heatsink design) and more future proof also the price is much lower

[@auroraRealms]

I would say that if you have the money, the Troodon has a quality advantage. I like the Sovol because of the price. I am willing to print some mods and tweak the machine a little, because otherwise I would not be able to afford to 3D Print at all. That being said the Sovol SV06 and SV08 are very well made printers, but do require a little tweaking. Nothing like the v-wheel printers that I learned to not to invest in. Sovol, is basically providing affordable price point versions of the Prusa and the Voron. I have a Tevo/Homers Tarantula that is heavily modded and not working. I also have a Sovol SV06 that works like a Prusa. The SV06 prints high quality 24/7 with very little attention. 99.9% of my 3D Print time is doing CAD design, Slicing and removing brims and support material.

[@Immolate62]

SV-08 is a 350^2 core-xy for half the price of the Troodon which isn't well known in the consumer market. Anyone thinking of putting in a grand for a Troodon would just get the K2 bundle and have a better supported printer with an AMS clone thrown in for close to the same price. I wonder why the Troodon wasn't hyped to the heavens two years ago when the X1C opened everyone's eyes. Was it not ready for prime time at that point? Is it now? I think Voron already has the hearts of the tinkerers and diehards, but the Sovol is appealing to those with an X1 or P1 who are chafing at 256mm and want to upgrade their capacity without delving into BIY or forking out four digits for the pleasure. Just my opinion, of course, but that describes me.

[@3dpathfinder]

I think the Sv08 is not meant really for those wanting to tinker. Although tons of mods are already being released and developed giving the choice to change things. I ordered the SV08 because i wanted a Voron style printer and didnt really want to tinker and upgrade , but may if i want. The price was a factor aswell , I wanted a 350mm build volume and the troodon and voron were way out of my price range . Considering also everyone i see with a voron never stay to the stock kit which adds more cost with almost no ceiling. I got the SV08 with enclosure and will be printing a different top so to keep the 345mm .

[@davedempsey5282]

No, lots of the buyers in the FB group are already making mods. And many are printing upgrade parts before they even get the machine. Nadir Nadir already made a top hat for the enclosure so you can use the whole build volume. And a clicky probe. And a few other things. We now have Bambu style feet, lots of other printed stuff, and many macros to do things better than originally planned, Sovol has upgraded firmware already too. It's probably the most heavily modded printer that almost nobody has yet.

[@MrWaalkman]

I plan on voiding the warranty early and often.

[@dekurvajo]

The Sovol itself is a tinker brand

[@5napperlicious]

The build volume on the SV08 doesn't change when adding the enclosure if you print their frame riser. The rigidity of the SV08 with an enclosure will improve and as a result, so will the input shaper graphs. In my opinion, what makes videos valuable and interesting to watch is an interesting test or experiment we don't have time to do or hands-on experience with products we don't have the opportunity to test ourselves. We can make our own comparisons like this one by watching all the same content you watched and your Troodon content. We want to see content that can only be had from using something. In this case, it would have been a much more interesting video if you used both printers and shared your unique experience about them. It also puts you at risk of spreading misinformation because you can't validate someone else's findings yourself.

[@ygk3d]

@@5napperlicious fair shout and good points. This was primarily filler content while I worked on some other projects. I thought I could still have an interesting discussion without owning the SV08. Ideally I would have had it to test firsthand.

[@phasesecuritytechnology6573]

My troodon 2.0 pro was ordered with a rapido 2 uhf and got a cht nozzle. While I ordered it as an option it did not come shipped with it. It shipped separately from China and I had to print a new piece to make it fit. The printer cfg is also half baked. When filament runs out the print head continued to move even though klipper has acknowledged the runout. I also recieved scratched enclosure panels. From what I read on the site it has a double sided plate though the smooth side does not look like any pei smooth sheet I've had before. The start print macro is also not fully done so out of the gate nothing would print for me even with the pre-made profile in orca. I also loaded octoeverywhere on the biqu board but that quickly overloaded the cpu and killed 2 of my large prints. Despite these anomalies I still love it. I have been printing asa for the first time in this machine as my other is a p1p enclosed. The first layers are fantastic as you stated. I printed d several large parts on the textured side of the plate in asacf without ever cleaning it or anything and had no warping. Overall the quality is very good and had one of the most stellar benchies I've ever seen (with the original hotend too).

[@dmax9324]

I feel like the sovol with options for a cast aluminum bed and beefier pulleys plus enclosure would be solid. Maybe modified print head to accept other nozzle types too. Add beacon or eddy. Not sure of total cost, but they could offer that kind of printer for $1000 and still be competitive in the market.

[@josephpitt3873]

Thanks for sharing all your experiences with the troodon!! I was almost ready to order a voron but didn't know when I would have time to build it but thanks to you I've found the troodon. Hopefully soon I'll have one up and running in no time!!

[@reubertt]

I found the comparison very interesting, it went into several important details. I think Sovol did a good job with the SV08, as there is a market that is not a printer modifier. And there are also markets that value every penny in price, in my country even $100 is almost equivalent to $1000 due to taxes and currency appreciation. Creality decided to "fight" with Bambulab, Sovol took advantage of the SV06 Hype and will seek another slice of the market that could really work.

[@ygk3d]

Thanks! Interesting perspective on the market. It definitely seems to vary from country to country.

[@Bobby11]

I thought it was opensource. You keep saying proprietry when i think the correct word is customized?

[@ygk3d]

Good call. Yes, a better word to use would have been customized or specialized. The main idea being that it's a custom component for the SV08 and not readily available on the marketplace.

[@oleurgast730]

@@ygk3d At least with the step files available you could print all the injection molded parts. While they might not be optimized for 3d printing, with SLS print services you can get them in PA12CF15 if you realy need to. Even aluminium parts can be 3d printed. I was very positivly suprised with the next layer presenting the revo coldend for the SV08. Imho this is a dealbreaker. High-Flow nozzles and automatic filament change (enraged rabbit carrot feeder) are a problematic combination. While on standard flow nozzles you can get a nice filament tip on unload (esp. with integrated nozzle/heatbreak combos like the Revo) unload with high flow nozzles often leeve a bad filament tip and need cutting. But with a revo coldend you could simply use standard Revo for multicolur prints and high flow for single colour. No cut&poo needed...

[@auroraRealms]

They are opensource. They released all the information. They are also confident enough that somebody else cannot do a better job producing those products at that price range. In 3D printing, opensource is a pretty blurry line. Sure, the STL files are available, but more often than not the CAD files are not available. Also, the extrusion STL, or circuit board specs may be available, but the manufacturer has factory tooling set up specifically to make those parts. That being said, having the STL files available for the Injection Molded Parts is super valuable. Because the printed parts can be higher quality, and can be modded to improve on the design.

[@rollotomasi1832]

I'm not in the market for a printer, however, i was waiting for this very video from your channel. Thanks! 🎉

[@ygk3d]

Thanks for watching!

[@Shapeshiftyr]

My SV08 is getting delivered tomorrow. I ended up deciding that I prefer the derivative over the clone due to the drastic price difference - at the Troodon’s price I think I would spend a bit more and get a true Voron. That said I do plan to mod my SV08 and the main hardware thing I plan to replace is the toolhead (to enable a non proprietary hotend, nozzle, heating and better probe options like Klicky and Eddy/Cartographer) so there’s definitely something to be said for the Troodon shipping with an incredibly solid baseline. I’m at $700 for the printer, $40 for a BTT screen, $30 for an Eddy, and about $100 for the toolhead and associated parts. I’ll also be enclosing the SV08 which has a max cost of $180 for OEM parts. Then a spool of high end ASA-GF to print the toolhead on my other printer (although I’ll only use a fraction). Overall I’ll still be coming in a couple hundred dollars under the Troodon’s base price.

[@felixyasnopolski8571]

The best part of it - you can print and slap the StealthBurner right on SV08, since it uses only linear rail carriage to mount on. Maybe you'd have to replace the belts, idk now yet (my SV08 would come in 2 days). Also, additional toolheads are really cheap and TeachingTech is doing an SV08 toolchanger. I thought a lot about Troodon/Creality K1 Max/Qidi Q1 Pro/SV08 and finally chose the SV08. Creality/Qidi felt off because of single Z motor (and pain in the ass to align the table), and the fw/Klipper side on SV08 is as pristine as possible (not fully, but no custom crappy solutions). And the main reason - they provide all CAD files, so if some molded part will break - I would be able to reprint it

[@KilianGosewisch]

Nice video to bridge the waiting time to the marathon video. When??? :D

[@ygk3d]

Haha thanks. It’s a work in progress! Too many projects, not enough time to execute them.

[@KilianGosewisch]

@@ygk3d I feel you. No pressure!

[@kilianlindlbauer8277]

The sv08 has the cleaner input shaper graphs and you have to consider that no panels are in place, which are structural components. Difference between no panels and panels on my much more rigid trident 350 is 1k in y with cleaner graphs, so id expect a similar gain for the sv08

[@ygk3d]

Interesting! Never thought of the panels making the frame stiffer

[@imowgrass]

@@ygk3d Same goes for convertible sports cars. Their chassis aren't as stiff and don't do as well on a road track.

[@ygk3d]

@@imowgrass I’m learning so much today 😂

[@thenextlayer]

Great video man! Thanks for the shoutouts :)

[@shaneleach3834]

Do you have the stl for the corner covers for the troodon 2.0? You were popping blue ones in the video. I have looked everywhere for the stl.

[@ygk3d]

If you email Formbot they’ll send you the STL for the injection molded version. I found that the pins were too thin for 3D printing and broke when I tried to install them. A modified version suitable for 3D printing is available on my Patreon.

[@gillesreyna1272]

Very glad you made this comparaison as I've been wondering myself what the differences are and couldn't make my mind about it. I'd tend to go to the Troodon but the lack of precise technical specs on their website scares me. Also I'm under the impression that their technical support is ...thin. Servicing on your own an open source printer you built from scratch is ok but servicing a printer half open source half not looks like a continuous try and guess game. Thanks again for this video.

[@FreshPrintsofBelair]

My SV08 input shaper is zv=8500 acceleration

[@TNX255]

A nicely made comparison video about a printer that you haven't even laid your hands on ^^ Sovol should really send you a review unit, you should get in touch with them.

[@ygk3d]

Thank you very much!

[@BenderTheOffender]

Great vid, but I miss the new RatRig!

[@WendyGameing]

SV08 goes big in eastern europe and other rather poorer countries where ppl will have main job next 3d printing and also have no money for buying something for 1k dolluh. I personally brought the SV08 naked, cause could not afford with enclosure. Its a nice printer compared to my old ender6 what is uhhhm maybe was a mistake to buy half a year ago

[@nonchalanto]

You are incorrect about the sv08 having worse input shaping results than the troodon. Max accel values are not how you compare IS results. You have to look at the visual graph itself, along with net vibrations after the shaper is applied. The sv08’s graph is FAR superior to the troodon’s. The ideal graph is a single, steep peak with no noise. A bad graph has many peaks and lots of noise. The troodon had this in spades. It’s very easy to draw false conclusions by looking only at the recommended accel values, and it appears as though this is what you’ve done.

[@Mintor94]

7:02 how hard would it be e.g. to change the breakout board on the Troodon for one that contains accelerometer, or the replace the whole toolhead for Dragonburner? Is the pinout of the breakout board the same as it would be on actual Voron?

[@ygk3d]

Would be the same difficulty as a CANBUS conversion on any other printer. Same answer for toolhead replacement, as far as I can tell.

[@Mintor94]

@@ygk3d this is the first time I come across CAN bus term. I guess it's time for a bit of research, can you recommend some docs/vids for a beginner in this topic?

[@felixyasnopolski8571]

@@Mintor94 there's not much research needed. In fact, you just need to have a CAN-compatible main board or slap something like U2C, put the CAN-enabled toolhead board and just connect the wires.

[@bobmac6050]

can you do an updated version of the troodon 2.0 pro

[@ashers_workshop]

Awesome video!

[@ygk3d]

Thank you!

[@riba2233]

Hmm so 1000$+ for a printer that comes with head that can do 13 and has poor cooling? Ok

[@aurelioschug801]

Very informative video

[@ygk3d]

@@aurelioschug801 thanks!

[@AnonymerTraum]

isnt the biggest difference the 300°C vs the 500°C printing temperature?

[@connorcleveland9166]

You're never going to print 500C materials on either of these printers. The materials that come to mind for 500C are PEEK and PEK and both require a heated chamber hotter than the belts, motors, plastic parts, etc can handle. If you want to print 500C materials you need a printer you'd be comfortable placing in your oven. VisionMiner has their 22 IDEX for $15k which is very well priced for what it offers at that level of engineering grade FDM printing.

[@hedleypepper1838]

Given component costs to build a voron. The only way to market a printer based on them is by way of cost daving by using less costly custom proprietory parts. The only thing i object to is moving away from the full open source software 😮

[@tonykyle2655]

I have a Troodon 2 Pro but have not unboxed it. It has been sitting in its box for about 4 weeks now. It is a matter of space and how would we move it when we move and a move is more likely to happen hopefully in the next year. When I purchased the Troodon 2 Pro the Sovol was not even released nor had I heard of it at the time. The question of moving would still have been an issue so it too would likely still be in its box. I do appreciate the video comparing the two systems. At this time I probably would not have purchased either. I was impulsive and got the Troodon 2 Pro and after we move I will probably be glad to have it. And if I didn't have the unit I have it would probably be the unit I purchased for my next printer based on the features.

[@cutty02]

send it to me

[@tonykyle2655]

Not likely

[@halldirector]

I think you do a good job comparing the two printers and where one will shine vs the other. However, the term 'proprietary' is probably not appropriate when describing parts of the SV08 (like the nozzle and motherboard) since the license/specifications and are open source for these parts. I might say non-standard, but not proprietary: anyone will be able to make them.

[@ygk3d]

Good point. Thanks!

[@kennykd97]

I like building them, even wiring them, but when it comes to putting the firmware on well lets say I have a seckit cube sized paper weight all done except the board firmware.

[@ygk3d]

Firmware is a different beast for sure

[@cutty02]

the SV08 has the about the same resonance limitation on the Y axis as shown in the video ~6500mm/s2

[@Heretic_Dezign]

All well and good, but both manufacturers Don't ship everywhere in the EU from the EU due to not strictly legal business registrations preventing certain cross border movements, (I has asked and checked) and both only offer to ship to the countries they won't ship to from the EU, from China instead, offering to try to again break the law by illegally marking down the price on the invoice which doesn't work and actually leads local customs to impose 100% duty. So until both companies begin honest trading and honest full registration of thier EU warehouses they cannot be considered honest or trustworthy

[@felixyasnopolski8571]

I'm living in the Netherlands, and was able to buy SV08 just on this week. From the local supplier, 3DJake. Try to find, maybe you'll find the reseller in your country

[@3dpathfinder]

I wonder why so many are obsessed with the term clone? By the logic, EVERY printer on the market is a clone of something that came before. Also, that means every car and truck is a clone of the first car and truck. So every single thing in our daily lives is based off of an original design. So even Bambu, Voron, Prusha, Creality and every other printer is based in some part off of something that came before. So just call everything a clone.

[@ygk3d]

It’s just a convenient descriptor that gets the point across. It’s not technically correct since these aren’t carbon copies of the original, but it conveys the sense that there is a great deal of similarity.

[@arrgh-]

The tronxy evolution doesn´t stop so why should I buy a propietary snapshot in the style of the voron when things like toolchangers and multi-material printing are lurking round the corner?

[@5napperlicious]

Because they're also lurking around the corner for the SV08 which I assume is the proprietary snapshot you're referring to. Teaching Tech has already stated that he plans to adopt the Voron 2.4 tool changer design to the SV08.

[@arrgh-]

@@5napperlicious sure, I confused tronxy with sovol...but to be honest, will the sovol toolchanger be supported and evolved like the open source voron?

[@5napperlicious]

@@arrgh- time will tell, but the more people use something the better community support it gets. Cost and availability will certainly help with that.

[@AndroidA258]

pay the extra and get a siboor 2.4, insane price peformance, you cant mod those 2 printers easily, which is a huge bummer

[@kaijumoto]

Troodon fanboy here. Dragon high flow. CHT nozzle. 9000 accel. Prints great. Not the pro model but a klipper install over the RepRap misstep. I have the klipper screen sitting here but it's kind of pointless since I'm a hard mainsail user with my other klipper machines. The Troodon has a hidden secret though. The smooth side of the build plate isn't PEI. It's a PET/PEO type that ABS sticks to like glue. It's amazing. As always, great content Taylor.

[@ygk3d]

Thank you! Interesting about the build plate. On the newer models, or at least the Troodon Mini that I received, the build plate is only single sided textured PEI.

[@dekurvajo]

to me the deal breaker with the sovol, is the plastic gantry parts.

[@MuskW-e9x]

Who shot your mac

[@ygk3d]

My toddler stepped on it 😖

[@brunoyudi9555]

two similar printers for two different types of consumers. troodon is nice if you want a high quality printer, true to the original design and easier to find spare parts. sv08 is a excelent price to performance with a few corners cut that you might want to upgrade in the future if you feel like

[@erfont01]

Troodon is defiantly the way to go.

[@sabahoudini]

Troodon is way better. Only thing I don't like is the 50W limit for the hotend. Why o why did they do this stupid mistake?

[@christian5288]

IIs this limitation still present on the Pro with the stealthburner? Can it be measured or referenced that more than 50w is not possible with the troodon 2.0 pro?

[@sabahoudini]

@@christian5288 The problem is thin PCB traces and the cable/connector that goes from the motherboard to the daughter board and to the toolboard. Those are all the same on the pro. You can install CAN. That way you are unlimited because you will be drawing power directly from the PSU. Also I'm running a dragon UHF with a 50W cartridge without any problems. Works great. You can't use any hotends with ceramic heaters though, those are usually 90W or so.

[@meocats]

now that the sv08 turned out to be a scam (refusal to refund, quality issues, deliver "moved" ahead >2 months) the troodon is looking more tempting

[@juliusvalentinas]

Reading comments seems both are trash, and i thing voron ratrig are aldo trash, no engineer builds stable printer chassis held with a screw from these profiles. tolerances to make assembly square is 0.02mm

[@felixyasnopolski8571]

Just go my way: buy from the local supplier. I ordered mine yesterday and it's already packed and sent, I gonna receive it tomorrow

[@NoMercyFtw]

Someone needs to do a video building a voron by sourcing the parts the cheapest they could find and see whats the lowest it could be built for........... Upgraded already not shit ur gonna change anyway

[@username9774]

Please don’t show The Next Layer, he is a bad person and lies and shills Thank you

[@3D_Printing]

Wait K2 creality multi colour big prints

[@juliusvalentinas]

Every printer built with such frame is a scam, they are not square and cant be. Try to cut 2x profiles 50cm in length with square ends ! Tolerances will be 0.02mm or better, else you get crooked not 90 degree angles just use CAD for visualization.

[@effingsignups]

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