Yikes! Honda e DC Fast Charging Test From 0-100% Shows Little Potential Beyond City Use

[@PeteLenz]

Great to see you review cars we can’t get in the US!

[@syedhabbas1]

This car is perfect if they sell it for 25k , not freaking 40k , no way it's worth that much

[@Viral_Rider1209]

~27k in Germany :-)

[@2013AirForce]

Love the content Kyle + rest of OOS Team! Keep it up. I don’t have an EV but all this EV stuff is very interesting and educational. And entertaining. When I buy my next car it’ll be an EV and I’ll at least know the basics of my car.

[@geekdomo]

Wonder when it will come to the US. Been lusting after this car for years (since it was a prototype). Dont really need a city EV that was what my last eGolf was but its a nice option for putting around town. Loving my iD4 right now for longer range trips.

[@99beta]

Starting with the CRV in 2030. Plugin option 2025. Depending on the market of course. They have the Honda Clarity in North America that is a plug in with 75km electric range.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@99beta You can have all the European Honda E's. Nobody wants them.

[@John-209]

Never

[@rzu7120]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Apparently, they know shit when they smell it.

[@kyliefan7]

I’m gonna guess never! I love the style but would never be good for me if I had to drive to Pittsburgh and back! For me in Winter/Spring my Bolt EV Premier blows this out of the water at $10,000 less!

[@brandenflasch]

I really wish Electrify America stations had a way to display data like Ionity stations do.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Hi Kyle, welcome to good old Germany ! We are very to have you - enjoy your time here and looking forward to your awesome content as always! The Honda is so good looking - but - the range and charging power is so much 2020.....

[@jatterhog]

More like 2012.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Nice to see you in europe. What do you think of our ccs connectors compared to the US versions?

[@Vulnox]

We bought a used Focus Electric which has a similar battery size, is getting us 130 miles in city driving, and was $11k with factory warranty still intact (which I extended to 8 yrs/75k miles. Not sure I see the benefit in a vehicle like this when there are used vehicles for a fraction of the price and still have the same range. The Focus also has DC fast charging, although I doubt it’s an amazing rate either.

[@rud]

This is good stuff thanks. I was inspired by your videos to record one going up the alps in my model 3. I had a camera outside and on on the screen. On the return I drove 40km and had 3kwh more on the battery than when I started. On the way up, it estimated I had a range of 70 km with 60%+ SoC 🤣I think I will get that edited.

[@davebest5624]

Hey Kyle are you coming to the UK? Great vid as per usual. I watch vids on stuff that is only available in the US that will never reach us in the UK because it’s interesting and where the technology is. As for this car, it’s funky and great for the city BUT is way overpriced.

[@vwphred]

Kyle, you are being polite with this charge curve. In reality this is not acceptable in 2021. Honda is way behind in the EV world

[@mamadouaziza2536]

I don't think the target buyer for this car is a CCS user who usually uses CCS while doing long distance driving.. This car is targeted towards city dwellers who do overnight charging.

[@cadriver2570]

The Mini holds 50kW flat until 80% then tapers, but not this much.

[@Samfichier]

Thanks for the video. Some people noticed a compatibility problem between ionity chargers and the Honda e. Otherwise 1h15min isn't so long for a full charge. I want this car, i don't hear the criticals 😂

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

It definitely looks like it throttles the charging early on. I do wonder if that is to prevent rapid degradation of the battery.

[@peterwright837]

My 2020 Chevy Bolt has been doing something similar. Whatever I have the target charge level set to the app tells me the SOC is three percentage points lower than the limit when it stops the charging. Of course GM has recommended not charging above 90% nor discharging below 70 miles of range so I’m not sure there’s much I can do about right now.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Not more then 90% is what in range? Not less then 70 miles? Thats about as much as my Fiat 500E from 2015 has max. range left. But the Fiat has no problems at all.

[@peterwright837]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 EPA range is 259 so 90% would be 234, but at 70 mph actual range is 230 on a good day. So 207 is the max if you could drive it down to zero. Subtract off the 70 miles you’re not supposed to go below and your down to 137 miles of freeway range. Plus since you can’t use the bottom 30% of the battery capacity you would be charging from 30-90% which is significantly slower than charging from 0-60%. Bummer all around for road trips

[@CFG39]

How is the efficiency so horrendous? 35kWh pack that only gives you 80ish miles at 70MPH is only 2.5mi per kWh. That’s worse than a Model X.

[@V10PDTDI]

Thanks for the video Kyle I have bough my first EV it's a 2015 e Golf SEL US specs and when the battery is at normal operating temp. of around 25 C (77 F) and when I charge on a 50 kw DC Charger it starts low but ramp up quickly and max out at around 42 et 43 kw to around 80 % SOC and this is with a air cooled battery my sister's 2020 e Golf doesn't seem to charge as fast it don't know why that is I think my cells are Panasonic and they might have more cobalt than the newer e Golf pack ?

[@slk23]

My 2017 eGolf (35 kWh battery, US spec) also charges at 38-40 kW up to 80%. The Honda is cute but I'd much rather have the eGolf as a city/regional car.

[@alexorpha5841]

the front looks like the VW golf 1

[@garyclark6747]

That color at the rear three quarter view is appealing. I’d be interested in how you attempt to calibrate BMS besides the plug/unplug. Sounds like the kW for the car is true size not usable capacity. 🤔 I think it would take driving past zero (turtle mode) to know the full kW by finding it’s true zero. Finally Germany gets your expertise insight and EV evaluation of charging‼️ Should have figured you’d like a fun happy city EV for their strengths while keeping their achilles’ heel in perspective. Small roads city environment little champ.

[@BrianK04]

One thing I'd love to see is a clock overlay of time transpired because you run the footage back at fast speed.

[@OutofSpecReviews]

It has a timer

[@BrianK04]

@@OutofSpecReviews hah, totally missed that

[@nathanwolf5547]

I loved the car but for me, UK countryside, it was useless. The range was just too low and the charging too slow. I had it down a week and achieved no more than 80 miles, driving carefully. If they could only have put a 40kw battery in. I leased an MG ZS EV. It’s great. 170 miles is more than enough in the UK and it will hit 80Kw when charging in Summer. Much more space but nowhere near as funky.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Did you try the BMW i3s? 42kwh battery, 170 mile range. Older i3s from 2018 have the Range Extender option giving you endless range as long as there is gas in the tank.

[@Hummin_Along]

What was the cost to charge USD?

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Those charge speeds are so bad. There’s a chap in the UK who wants to visit every Honda dealer in his Honda E. It might take some time.

[@rzu7120]

It sounds like he needs to get a life.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

@@rzu7120 I think it’s the new form of fishing.

[@9mmtotheMellon]

I have one...love it...makes me sooo happy😂❤ best car ever!!!!

[@brandenflasch]

Wow, this is way worse than the Cooper SE.

[@joshuarosen465]

There is no excuse for a so called "City Car" in 2021. In 2012 when batteries were $400 per kWh they were a way of putting a prototype EV on the road so that early adopters could play with them. But a car that can't even do a round trip to the suburbs comfortably makes no sense now. The problem with the city car concept is that cities are the places where you can't do overnight charging which forces you to rely on DC fast charging which you've just shown isn't very fast in the Honda. If in the future every parking meter had a plug on it they would work. However by the time that happens batteries will cost less than $50 a KWh which eliminates the reason for putting in such a small battery.

[@jonpetter8921]

There s no need to buy a 500 km EV if you only commute around cities. That s the opposite of sustainability.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Oh please.... What damn city do you live in? In Los Angeles there are chargers right next to the parking meters and there are literally hundreds of EVgo/ChargePoint/Electrify America units throughout the city. Its not the car's fault that certain towns/cities aren't equipped with infrastructure.. Also, the Honde-e is a small lightweight car, adding more batteries would make the car too heavy.. The car is what it is and if its not for you, just don't buy it..

[@joshuarosen465]

@@mamadouaziza2536 California is at least five years ahead of the rest of the US, maybe 10 years. By the time that on street chargers are available in any city besides LA the cost of batteries will be half of what they cost now. You don't build a car that's only usable in LA.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

@@joshuarosen465 Well, in Washington DC there are chargers right next to the parking meters.. Its true that car brands when thinking of the USA market will consider California first, California rules the American auto industry. If your city doesn't have the electric infrastructure, its time you talk to those you vote into office in your city..

[@joshuarosen465]

@@mamadouaziza2536 Are those chargers on residential streets or downtown? Level 2 chargers are only useful at home or at work, places where you are parked for many hours. They serve no purpose except green washing if they are in places where people park for an hour or two.

[@corona407]

I love the styling of this car, but specs and performance show clearly that Honda made it for being a compliance car which is a pity!

[@robert5008]

Nice car, DC charge to 60% and move on. That's enough charge in a city to complete your errands.

[@Cutlerylover4life1]

I really loved this car from day one but i'm not sure who would spend 40k on this thing. *Maybe* if it was AWD, had more power, and more than 100 mile range.

[@neverleftthe80s29]

So overpriced. Ridiculous. Looks great though.

[@brucec954]

So for a city car, I guess as long as it charges from say 10 - 80% overnight from a home charger, its OK. Would be nice to see a graph now. Actually, I think this is just an excuse for Kyle to take a European vacation.

[@OutofSpecReviews]

You’re just thinking this?? Of course! - Kyle

[@mtumasz]

The battery on this car resembles the one in 94Ah BMW i3 - 35kWh total, 28kWh usable. Honda is 4 years behind BMW, which is 6 years behind Tesla, kinda sad.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Its a 33kwh battery in the 2017 BMW i3.. I would not say these cars are behind because a car isn't a one size fits all product.. These cars are purposely built for European city driving where charging infrastructure is plentiful. These are not long distance cars that comfortable seat 5 people, a dog and a cat.. There must be a variety of cars to suit different needs.. Why bother with a mid size to large car with a big battery if 90% of your driving is 50 miles round trip in a day in the city? If you need more range and a faster charger, the Honda-e and the i3 aren't for you, its that simple... Go buy an e-Tron or Model Y or Mach-e...

[@sprockkets]

Even then it's like still worse than a Hyundai Ioniq (original)

[@abbaby555]

Kyle, since your there in Europe. Test out the new fiat 500e

[@OutofSpecReviews]

It just got delivered to me now!

[@drab2000]

This car is worthless, but looks soooo good.

[@dansanger5340]

I hate it when "city car" is used as an excuse to make an EV basically unusable outside the city. City car should just mean that it's better in the city, but you can still drive it outside the city if you want. This car is just another example of almost all Japanese automakers not being serious about EVs.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

It is what it is.. Why do Americans think the entire world owes them something? This car is not intended for the North American market, yes, its a purposely city car and not all cars are one size fits all.. There are gas cars purposely marketed as city cars.. I guest you think its Honda's fault that the charging infrastructure in your town or outside your town is $hit?

[@dansanger5340]

@@mamadouaziza2536 Honda has always been a joke when it comes to EVs. In 2017 they briefly had an EV version of the Honda Clarity available in the US. It had a range of 89 mi/143 km. That's barely viable even as a so-called "city car," which it wasn't. They weren't serious then, and they're not serious now. This is all about compliance vehicles to satisfy regulations without making a real attempt to satisfy customers. They don't plan any real EVs in the US for at least a couple years, and even those will be based on GM's drivetrain, not their own.

[@sebastiangeorge7714]

There are plenty cars practically useless outside of the city, but at the end of the day I need a parking spot in the city where it will spend most of it's time.

[@and1111000]

If it was Chinese, it would be about half the price - paying for the brand name.

[@robert4027]

I never kept a car for more than 6 years . I'll Wash it with cheep soap or dish soap only

[@markparent7999]

Nobody is going to buy this thing for 40k. I love Honda cars, but i'll buy an accord hybrid before i'd buy this thing.

[@thepunadude]

SOMEONE IS GOING TO INSTALL A DECENT ALTERNATOR TO CHARGE BATTERY WHILE DRIVING .. DUH!

[@GoatDirt]

hahaha all evs already charge when slowing down (regenerative braking). Alternators are only for gas cars and would be useless for an EV

[@mamadouaziza2536]

BMW and GM have already gone that route back in 2013... Been there done that..

[@thepunadude]

LOL, LOOKS A LIL LARGER THAN MY '72 S600 ... NOT TO THE USA? THE 'REASONS' OUGHT TO BE DELIGHTFUL

[@jimk654]

If it doesn't come to the US what's the point of this review????

[@OutofSpecReviews]

Do people only live in the US?

[@larsbenedetto2914]

Everyone knows that Europe doesn't actually exist

[@jimk654]

@@OutofSpecReviews I think most of the people that watch the reviews you make could care less about what cars they can get in Europe. Including myself. Being in the market for an EV the review is worthless to me, and I'm sure others.

[@OutofSpecReviews]

Videos are performing as good or better than most US stuff so that’s what matters here - Kyle

[@jimk654]

@@OutofSpecReviews 'Videos are performing as good or better.' I'm sure exactly sure what this means so I'll just move onto reviews of something that I can get here in the USA

[@rzu7120]

It’s not so much a “City car” as it is a Shitty car.

[@joshuarosen465]

One more rant about the Honda E. Its way to nice for a car that has so little range, they not only put lipstick on a pig they put on a pearl necklace and matching ear rings. The E costs $40000, subtract the VAT and it's still $32000 the price of a Bolt EUV that had a 250 mile range before LGs incompetence killed it. If Honda was intent on building a 100 mile car they should have stripped it to it's bare bones and cut the price by $10000.